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Etihad Airways Has Launched Sao Paulo  
User currently offlineetihadairways From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

The first flight touched down at Guarulhos International Airport yesterday at 4:35pm local Sao Paulo time, operated by an Airbus A340-500 aircraft.

The new Brazil service marks Etihad Airways’ entry into its sixth continent. Etihad Airways operates an Airbus A340-500 aircraft to Sao Paulo, seating a total of 240 passengers across three cabins – 12 in Diamond First, 28 Pearl Business and 200 Coral Economy class seats.


• Also Etihad Airways have increased flight to
• Abu Dhabi-Muscat will increase from 20 to 23 weekly flights
• Abu Dhabi- Cairo will increase from the current 18 weekly services to three times a day
• Abu Dhabi-Amman adding four overnight flights per week to its existing double-daily operations
• Abu Dhabi-Islamabad increase from seven flights to nine per week
• Abu Dhabi-Minsk service from three flights per week to a daily schedule from June 15, 2013.

source: www.etihadairways.com

29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7591 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10010 times:

Congrats to EY! Hope this is a highly successful route.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9913 times:

Great news to see EY expanding, congrats to them. Be great to see another flight down to MEL at some point!

How is AUH handling all the expansion, are they keeping up too?


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4798 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

dont know what the reason for this is but from 01JUL, the new GRU route is already being reduced from daily A340 to 3 weekly only until the end of the S13 season i.e. till late OCT. This does not sound good...can somebody please elaborate further on this.

User currently onlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7022 times:
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I think EY scheduling is definitely very tight with its current fleet. Especially on the ultra long-haul.

They certainly adapted the frequencies to the loads forecasts.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3363 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6590 times:

Is EY keeping their 345s? I think if they are intending on keeping them, they should pick up the ones that are sitting on the used aircraft market, often with low cycles and keep them for routes like this epic journey. If EY is not keeping the 345, then what will be operating routes like this with?


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User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6508 times:

Surprised EY not using their 77W metal on this route. Any possible reason? or they have shortage of type to utilize?

User currently offlineetihadairways From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6239 times:

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 6):
Surprised EY not using their 77W metal on this route. Any possible reason?

You are right it’s because of the shortage
All the 2 class 77W are used on Asian routes BKK,MNL,KUL
And the newer 77W witch have 3 class are used on LHR,SYD & just recently NYC

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
How is AUH handling all the expansion, are they keeping up too?

AUH is keeping up as it’s currently went into expanding its current facility as an interim solution till the new midfield terminal opens late 2017.

The latest project which will open early 2014 is adding 20 more departure gates to terminal 3 (Etihad terminal) and adding a new business class lounge to accommodate the expansions of Etihad increasing pax numbers and its alliance airlines guests.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4798 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

Quoting etihadairways (Reply 7):
You are right it’s because of the shortage
All the 2 class 77W are used on Asian routes BKK,MNL,KUL
And the newer 77W witch have 3 class are used on LHR,SYD & just recently NYC

FYI, QR couldn't even fill 65% of a 260 seater B77L daily to GRU in 2012 even with a tag on to EZE. Etihad has a smaller network + fewer number of flights to SE Asia, Indian subcontinent and GCC versus QR hence it should not even consider sending a B77W to GRU under any circumstances.

For the route to be downgraded from the on set from daily to 3 weekly highlights that there is overcapacity existing in the market place and this in turn reflects on the low advanced bookings hence the frequency reduction.


User currently offlineetihadairways From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
FYI, QR couldn't even fill 65% of a 260 seater B77L daily to GRU in 2012

Your 100% right that’s way Etihad downgrade the A/C from A346 to A345 and recently the frq to 3 times a week. Smart move by them


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17651 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Quoting etihadairways (Reply 7):

All the 2 class 77W are used on Asian routes BKK,MNL,KUL

And ORD 
Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
FYI, QR couldn't even fill 65% of a 260 seater B77L daily to GRU in 2012 even with a tag on to EZE. Etihad has a smaller network + fewer number of flights to SE Asia, Indian subcontinent and GCC versus QR hence it should not even consider sending a B77W to GRU under any circumstances.

I really doubt EK or QR are making money to GRU right now. It's so far and the fares are very competitive to the major volume destinations.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5829 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5660 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 2):
Great news to see EY expanding,

Also new cargo only stations Houston, Miami, Campinas, Quito launched 30 May and Vienna starting from this month, along with freighter ops to Chicago, Riyadh, Singapore and Sydney.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5602 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
For the route to be downgraded from the on set from daily to 3 weekly highlights that there is overcapacity existing in the market place and this in turn reflects on the low advanced bookings hence the frequency reduction.

I was surprised from the beginning that they got such good daily slots. Good it be that they loaded daily hoping to get the slots but were only granted 3 so they had to cut back?


User currently offlinePZ707 From Paraguay, joined Mar 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5127 times:

Frequency reduced is a matter of GRU available slots, not because low bookings. Better slots will be ready by end of the year.

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8419 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4723 times:
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Great for Ethihad and Great for Sao Paulo, it now has all 3 Middle East airlines and Miami has none. I hope the Brazil is able to exploit new export markest in thet part of the world. When TAM joins OneWorld will it fly to Doha ? Interesting times we live in.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 11):
Also new cargo only stations Houston, Miami, Campinas, Quito launched 30 May and Vienna starting from this month, along with freighter ops to Chicago, Riyadh, Singapore and Sydney.

Yes, I understand that N854GT is operating this cargo routing but this aircraft is wearing the Atlas Air livery to my knowledge, is that correct? I'm waiting on their EY livery on the 747-8F  Do you know when this will be done?

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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33010 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
Yes, I understand that N854GT is operating this cargo routing but this aircraft is wearing the Atlas Air livery to my knowledge, is that correct? I'm waiting on their EY livery on the 747-8F Do you know when this will be done?

It's an Atlas 747-8 painted in full EY livery operating MIA-VCP-UIO-AMS-AUH-HKG-ORD-MIA.

http://i.imgur.com/JgX64Pu.png

[Edited 2013-06-03 11:18:45]


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5829 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Did anyone know you cant discuss Etihad at pprune forum, they have a sticky informing posters not to as topics will be deleted.

User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

Quoting etihadairways (Reply 7):
All the 2 class 77W are used on Asian routes BKK,MNL,KUL
And the newer 77W witch have 3 class are used on LHR,SYD & just recently NYC

What is the fleet break down between the two types? Are EY due to receive anymore two class 77W or are they all there class from now on?

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
I really doubt EK or QR are making money to GRU right now. It's so far and the fares are very competitive to the major volume destinations.

I would have thought however it would have been a very high yielding freight route, especially for meat!


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4095 times:
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Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
dont know what the reason for this is but from 01JUL, the new GRU route is already being reduced from daily A340 to 3 weekly only until the end of the S13 season i.e. till late OCT. This does not sound good...can somebody please elaborate further on this.

Low demand probably. As you said QR is not performing that well and TK will use the A343 instead of the planned B77W as well as is selling Y fares GRU-EZE-GRU for as low as USD 139

Quoting PZ707 (Reply 13):
Frequency reduced is a matter of GRU available slots, not because low bookings. Better slots will be ready by end of the year.

And they realize such problem just a week before the first flight ?
Why they sold tickets for daily flights ? Just bad planning ?

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Great for Ethihad and Great for Sao Paulo, it now has all 3 Middle East airlines and Miami has none. I hope the Brazil is able to exploit new export markest in thet part of the world. When TAM joins OneWorld will it fly to Doha ? Interesting times we live in.

I believe it is excessive. Etihad will probably need to add a tag. I can't believe they all (plus TK) can fill their planes during week days.
And not to forget, Ethiopian soon will add GIG and GRU to their network... less potential demand for Africa.



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User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

Yes there are more brand new 2 Class B77W joining the EY fleet this year in a new configuration of 40 Business 340 Economy.


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User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 894 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Thank You ! you don' t know how good it is to see Four Holers flying the routes they have been buit for !

User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
I really doubt EK or QR are making money to GRU right now.

I heard from someone working in QR's offices that they do quite well in Brazil. Now, I always keep that in perspective: Doing well is quite different from making money. On a relative basis it is probably a good route.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
As you said QR is not performing that well and TK will use the A343 instead of the planned B77W as well as is selling Y fares GRU-EZE-GRU for as low as USD 139

I can't help having the impression that TK is a house made of a deck of cards. Even US to Turkey had fares not too far from GRU-EZE. They have so much product on the shelf, they might as well give it for free.



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User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 894 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5):
Is EY keeping their 345s? I think if they are intending on keeping them, they should pick up the ones that are sitting on the used aircraft market, often with low cycles and keep them for routes like this epic journey. If EY is not keeping the 345, then what will be operating routes like this with?

Yes EY is Keeping their A345s for WAS and GRU .


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

What's the bilateral between Brazil and U.A.E. like?
Two airlines from U.A.E. flying 3 times per day (EK GRU, EK GIG-EZE, EY GRU) to Brazil.
Isn't usually one airline from each country or there's an open skies between Brazil and U.A.E.?
Would it come the time EK and EK will fight to see one of the two gone?



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

I realize GRU is one of the largest cities in LatAm but EY should have gone to another city first instead becoming a "me too" at GRU. Perhaps they should have tried BOG, CCS or LIM first. The CCS yields should be stellar. Even something like PTY would have allowed them to be out front.


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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
dont know what the reason for this is but from 01JUL, the new GRU route is already being reduced from daily A340 to 3 weekly only until the end of the S13 season i.e

do not forget: economic slowdown in brazil, US Dollar becoming stronger, EK TK and QR are here too, to name a few.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 24):

Probably bi-laterals, and they don't fly to the same city.

just one example if air panama decided to serve brazil to "compete" with CM I'm sure the gov would let them. (once again just an example).


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3711 posts, RR: 19
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 24):
Isn't usually one airline from each country or there's an open skies between Brazil and U.A.E.?

It's open skies: http://www2.anac.gov.br/arquivos/pdf...aterais/E/EmiradosArabesUnidos.pdf


User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 25):
I realize GRU is one of the largest cities in LatAm but EY should have gone to another city first instead becoming a "me too" at GRU. Perhaps they should have tried BOG, CCS or LIM first. The CCS yields should be stellar. Even something like PTY would have allowed them to be out front.

None of these other cities comes close to SAO in wealth and ability to generate traffic, premium, and overall. GRU is a top-20 metro area in the world. One can add the economies around SCL, BOG, CCS and LIM together, and it is still not as big as Sao Paulo.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Quoting incitatus (Reply 28):
None of these other cities comes close to SAO in wealth and ability to generate traffic, premium, and overall. GRU is a top-20 metro area in the world. One can add the economies around SCL, BOG, CCS and LIM together, and it is still not as big as Sao Paulo.

  


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