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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129  
User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2254 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 20396 times:
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Welcome to the 129th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread.

Link to the previous thread: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 128 (by 777ER May 16 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 20392 times:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888007

A good article this moring in the Herald. Luxon is in Capetown for his IATA meeting this week.

He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

It's also good to see he is being honest with Airpoints. Rob Fyfe's attitude had always been not being aware of any criticism and Airpoints had been working very well.

If it was SQ, would NZ reintroduce SIN?


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2254 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 20380 times:
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I don't think for one moment we will see NZ re-introduce its own metal on AKL-SIN.

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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20260 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 2):
I don't think for one moment we will see NZ re-introduce its own metal on AKL-SIN

Yea I don't see it any time soon either unless they strike a deal with SQ with SQ operating 285/286 and NZ taking over the 281/282 service (or even the CHC-SIN). Either way, won't be flying SIN competing with each other but rather complimenting each other.

RE Gasman in last post about the Maple Leaf vs the Fern. I see the point, but something about the leaf is not as tacky as the fern.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20228 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

While HKG is in North Asia and SIN in South East Asia, I'd think NZ would rather grow the CX deal for other North Asian cities and India. I would think a deal opening more of Europe with someone like EY similar to what QF and EK are doing, problem for NZ-EY is it would be 2 stops as you need to do say AKL-SYD/MEL-AUH-Europe, rather than AKL-AUH-Europe, which brings as interesting point would EY do do AKL-AUH with an NZ codeshare with NZ getting a large chunk of seats to sell?! Or am I on the wrong track here?

I can't personally see NZ going back to SQ or SIN due to the past, and would SQ be interested? They weren't overly last time were they?

Also South America could be interesting, I wonder if there will be any talk of that this time around? NZ are getting 789s in just over 12 months freeing up aircraft for new routes.

772s are back on the HNL run through till September now, music to KMANs ears, 2 weekly with a third flight in July August.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4954 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20200 times:

If the 789 is available a month or two earlier than presently expected, would NZ take them earlier than planned?

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 20103 times:

Anyone know what happened to the the 3rd A320 that NZ had leased out? I though it was meant to have returned over a year ago.

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 20109 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
A good article this moring in the Herald. Luxon is in Capetown for his IATA meeting this week.

He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

It's difficult to know what the perceived problem is.

Qantas' Asian problem is its complete absence of any network for getting Australian executives to multiple Chinese cities, and indeed anywhere in Asia other than SIN, HKG, NRT and PVG.

But Air New Zealand has no such dilemma because there is no such outbound market to Asia from New Zealand, other than the VFR to China which is already covered by existing flights and partnerships.

I think that Air New Zealand's network is pretty appropriate for the nation's footprint and links. I'd prefer to have more destinations in North America and a couple more in Europe, but neither is a biggie for me.

Really, if I had one long-haul wish for Air New Zealand it would be that it get Virgin Australia out of its joint venture across the Pacific with Delta and instead develop a proper long-haul joint venture with Virgin Australia using the combined fleets to right-size aircraft and to optimise frequencies.

To give an example, currently VA has three times weekly 77W BNE-LAX flights and on the other four days passengers have to fly via Sydney. That flight feeds some passengers on to SFO on Virgin America. In other words, currently three times weekly VA pax to SFO route BNE-LAX-SFO, and four days weekly they fly BNE-SYD-LAX-SFO. What a waste, especially when 19.99% of VA is owned by Air NZ. Those passengers should be flying BNE-AKL-SFO.

I'd prefer to see a three times weekly 77E flight BNE-LAX, with NZ-operated VA-coded flights via Auckland on the other four days and with SFO passengers funnelled via AKL on a daily NZ 77W.

Similarly, the VA and NZ codeshares with Etihad are currently half-baked and under-utilised. I'd prefer to see the partnership taken much more seriously, so that Air NZ can devote NZ1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR as much as possible to sale of the two individual sectors, with passengers to Manchester, Paris etc instead funnelled AKL-BNE-AUH-destination.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 859 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 20098 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
Anyone know what happened to the the 3rd A320 that NZ had leased out? I though it was meant to have returned over a year ago.

Of the original batch all are accounted for. OJJ was on sold during production and never ever got into Air New Zealand hands. OJK is back and OJL had the accident in France just prior to returning. OJK and OJL were the only A320s leased out by Air New Zealand.

[Edited 2013-06-02 21:52:58]

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 20079 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 8):
Of the original batch all are accounted for. OJJ was on sold during production and never ever got into Air New Zealand hands. OJK is back and OJL had the accident in France just prior to returning. OJK and OJL were the only A320s leased out by Air New Zealand.

Thanks it was OJK that I was looking for, being returned last year what seats does it have?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12109 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 20053 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
RE Gasman in last post about the Maple Leaf vs the Fern. I see the point, but something about the leaf is not as tacky as the fern.

Both the leaf and the fern are both known as cultural/national meaning in each country. AC has the leaf on its tail due it being a national symbol. I don't have any issue with NZ having the fern as its tail logo, in fact I would love the black/silver fern colours on every NZ tail. The silver fern holds national meaning (mainly thanks to the sporting teams) so its fitting to me


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 20039 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Both the leaf and the fern are both known as cultural/national meaning in each country

I would kindly request that you and Kiwirob please not leave blood everywhere while discussing this topic. I don't mind you disagreeing, but please don't kill each other.

It all seems rather sad to me.

We can argue til the cows come home as to the flag, national emblem, rugby team's colours, etc.

But at the end of the day, Air New Zealand's teal colour and tail Koru are immensely powerful branding tools that long-haul flyers in the USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand recognise and associate with an extremely high-quality airline.

And that brand power is being thrown away in a bid to match the colour of the All Blacks' kit, even though less than 1% of Americans have ever heard of the All Blacks, and 80% of English people and 60% of Australians despise rugby (union) because they perceive it as what it is in their countries: as a geographically-limited code of football for over-privileged boys at private boarding schools.

In other words, a blue-chip brand is being flushed down the toilet in favour of one which plays as follows in Air New Zealand's top markets:

1. Australia - despised brand
2. USA - unknown brand
3. China - unknown brand
4. UK - despised brand

Never mind, I'm sure it plays really positively in Samoa, Fiji and Tonga.

And of course in South Africa rugby is the game of the former oppressor minority, and in Argentina it again is the sport of boys who went to private boarding schools.

If Air New Zealand had commissioned a planned attack on its own brand in its foreign markets, they couldn't have done any better than All-Black branding and livery.


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 20015 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
And that brand power is being thrown away in a bid to match the colour of the All Blacks' kit, even though less than 1% of Americans have ever heard of the All Blacks, and 80% of English people and 60% of Australians despise rugby (union) because they perceive it as what it is in their countries: as a geographically-limited code of football for over-privileged boys at private boarding schools.

Not to mention black means death in many of the Asian countries. I am surprised Rob Fyfe would rather put his airline's image in jeopardy in these markets than showcasing his own perceived and biased value and hobby. I doubt any research was done.

Australia and Qantas, on the other hand, have realised that soccer has a real potential and future. Qantas is an official sponsor of the Socceroos and A-League. Guess who is sponsoring the All Whites? Thai Airways.

[Edited 2013-06-02 23:11:57]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25144 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19983 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
A good article this moring in the Herald. Luxon is in Capetown for his IATA meeting this week.

He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

I enjoyed the article, there seemed to be something for everyone, including the upper end FF's.  

With regard to an alliance, I guess Singapore is the obvious one. Then they'd bracket Australia and could get together and both buy Virgin Australia - with Air NZ as the (just) majority shareholder, of course, and Etihad in there somewhere.

I suppose it would raise the spectre of Ansett, but these are different times and different people and I'd give a couple of cheers if it happened.

But it's so obvious it's almost boring to me. I'd rather something a bit less obvious, a bit more out in left field, but with that comes more risk.

It's why I like the idea of the code share with Turkish - that really caught me by surprise. I think it's a potential beauty and I wonder if anything is ever going to happen with it.

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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19982 times:

ZK-SJC has apparently flown its last flight for Air New Zealand today.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):
Thanks it was OJK that I was looking for, being returned last year what seats does it have?

Should be the same as all the others in the Tasman/Pacific A320 fleet as they are operated interchangeably.

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):

  



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User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19940 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
It's why I like the idea of the code share with Turkish - that really caught me by surprise. I think it's a potential beauty and I wonder if anything is ever going to happen with it.

It might not have been just a random cooperation. TK has just announced that they would open SYD in 2014 via Asia (possibly SIN) and would move to SYD-IST non-stop in 3 years once they get their 777-200LR. For NZ passengers, that would give you one stop to Europe. The EY codeshare deal looks to me like a way to persuade EY not to fly to AKL rather than NZ wanting to feed pax through Abu Dhabi.


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19927 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 14):
ZK-SJC has apparently flown its last flight for Air New Zealand today.

That could be a good thing..... she was looking very shabby back in January

Quoting zkojq (Reply 14):

Should be the same as all the others in the Tasman/Pacific A320 fleet as they are operated interchangeably.

I know the SJ branded new delivered had a more stripped back interior than the NZ standard.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19879 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 16):
That could be a good thing..... she was looking very shabby back in January

I flew on her two years or so ago - the interior looked fine then. Hope she finds a good home.


Quoting zkncj (Reply 16):
I know the SJ branded new delivered had a more stripped back interior than the NZ standard.

But this has been amended through the interior refits inwhich the Panasonic EX2s were installed, right?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25144 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19874 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 15):
It might not have been just a random cooperation. TK has just announced that they would open SYD in 2014 via Asia (possibly SIN) and would move to SYD-IST non-stop in 3 years once they get their 777-200LR. For NZ passengers, that would give you one stop to Europe.

I agree, I don't think it was random.

I think that's good stuff - and even better if Air NZ met up with Turkish somewhere in Asia as well. It would win me - I think Istanbul (and Turkey) is a grand place to have a stopover on the way to Europe.,

I guess the question is - how far ahead is Mr. Luxon looking, and what does he see?

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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19869 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
The silver fern holds national meaning (mainly thanks to the sporting teams) so its fitting to me

Well the way I see it. The silver fern which is a symbol of the NZRFU is associated with sports teams. This is the one with the sharp edges. The one I refer to as tacky is the cheap looking one used on flags you get at the 2 dollar shop which is also the same one proposed for the national flag. Either way, I much prefer the koru on the tail.

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
We can argue til the cows come home as to the flag, national emblem, rugby team's colours, etc. But at the end of the day, Air New Zealand's teal colour and tail Koru are immensely powerful branding tools that long-haul flyers in the USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand recognise and associate with an extremely high-quality airline.

I agree with you. And your entire post makes sense to me. It seems this re-branding is another sign of what many see as a move from a legacy quality carrier, towards a Low cost carrier

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Not to mention black means death in many of the Asian countries.

Yea that's true. Ironic how people keep harping on about Asia being the biggest growth market etc (I'm not saying it is or it isn't) yet they paint it black which signifies death.
Some on here would say this is petty, but then so is having the number 8 in the flight number on Asian routes and the company did that...

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Qantas is an official sponsor of the Socceroos and A-League

Yup, yet they haven't painted all their tails yellow and green...

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Guess who is sponsoring the All Whites? Thai Airways.

It's funny. Seeing the Kiwis play and 'Malaysian Airlines' all over their Jesery, or Team NZ with EK all over it. But I guess that's business.

God forbid the day if the NZRU needs more cash and signs with EK as their sponsor, what will happen to NZ then? Would it still be a good thing to be all black then?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25144 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19850 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 19):
It seems this re-branding is another sign of what many see as a move from a legacy quality carrier, towards a Low cost carrier

I'm an LCC advocate and I don't see it as that.

The black is just not a design choice I like, although I understand why some would. I think it's better with the silver fern leaf, but I still prefer the older livery and with the Pacific Wave.

I'm not sure it matters to the travelling public, though, and I think there are some crap legacy liveries out there.

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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19845 times:

Just got back from a trip to HKG on NZ87/80. In economy, the loads are around 90% full, but the large majority of passengers are mainland Chinese, a few Europeans, and even fewer HKG residents. On HKG-AKL, there are quite a number of passengers who hold CX issued boarding passes. It seems to me that the route has good loads of transit passengers but I wonder what the yields will be.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12109 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19760 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):Both the leaf and the fern are both known as cultural/national meaning in each country
I would kindly request that you and Kiwirob please not leave blood everywhere while discussing this topic. I don't mind you disagreeing, but please don't kill each other.

LOL, had no intention of killing him

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
But at the end of the day, Air New Zealand's teal colour and tail Koru are immensely powerful branding tools that long-haul flyers in the USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand recognise and associate with an extremely high-quality airline.

Yes that's very true and that is something NZ needs to consider when changing its colour scheme. I wonder how much thought was given to the black tail? Airlines still need to change their livery - just look at Air Pacific and American. In regards to Air Pacific its a total name/livery change and some people who knew Air Pacific won't know its now Air Fiji and will get confused when they booked via Air Pacific's web-site but check-in, receive the boarding pass and board an Air Fiji branded aircraft.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 19):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):The silver fern holds national meaning (mainly thanks to the sporting teams) so its fitting to me

Well the way I see it. The silver fern which is a symbol of the NZRFU is associated with sports teams. This is the one with the sharp edges. The one I refer to as tacky is the cheap looking one used on flags you get at the 2 dollar shop which is also the same one proposed for the national flag. Either way, I much prefer the koru on the tail.

Ahhh, have to admit I got confused by your post about the flag change but now the bells are ringing.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19728 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
I think that's good stuff - and even better if Air NZ met up with Turkish somewhere in Asia as well. It would win me - I think Istanbul (and Turkey) is a grand place to have a stopover on the way to Europe.,

Yep. I am sure it will happen in the next year or so.

If they drop a 77W into SYD even via SIN as it will start, it will be my new way of going to Europe.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3198 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19598 times:

NZ's 789's coming together…

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...es-final-assembly-of-787-9-386575/



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25 kiwirob : Were we even discussing anything? I would say next to no thought whatsoever, it should have remained TEAL. The TK lounge in IST is amazing, head and
26 Post contains links mariner : Air NZ is raising its stake in Virgin Australia to 23% and may go to 26%: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=108887
27 Post contains links motorhussy : From another thread, NZ has won best Y-class as judged by... TheDesignAir @ Top 10 Economy Classes Of 2013 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ener
28 xiaotung : I thought going over 20% NZ would have to launch a takeover bid.
29 mariner : I thought that, too, but according to another article they can increase their holding by 3% every six months without having to launch a full takeover
30 xiaotung : I wonder what their motive is. Is there really any difference between 20% and 30% if they don't plan to take over VA? Perhaps the deal was to deny an
31 Post contains links mariner : I can only guess at that, especially as they are not asking for a seat on the board. A stealth move, maybe? I don't see a lot of difference between t
32 Post contains links 777ER : In this stuff article http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu.../8763819/Air-NZ-lifts-Virgin-stake it says ""The additional interest affirms Air New Zeal
33 mariner : Any of those is possible, I guess. The only other hint out there is that Etihad has said it is not interested in a larger holding - at the moment, an
34 Post contains links xiaotung : http://www.theage.com.au/business/si...alue-in-virgin-20130531-2nhd0.html This article says SQ is looking at strengthening loyalty programme with VA a
35 aerorobnz : The statement says they are not interested in a VA takeover OR a seat on the board. They are my airline of choice for longhaul Y+ and Y travel. Their
36 Post contains links ZKOJH : A few stories today from down under. ''Dismissal of Air NZ flight attendant justified'' A flight attendant fired by Air New Zealand for her conduct on
37 Post contains links ZKOJH : What changed there mind?? ''Price-fixing case: Air NZ agrees to settle'' Air New Zealand has done a u-turn in its long-running air-cargo case with the
38 Post contains links ZKOJH : How will NZ respond to this ?? Hawaiian hopes high for Kiwi route - Daily to come soon?? Hawaiian Airlines will look to add more services to its Auckl
39 Post contains links and images Palmyboy12 : Well at least they left it to Thai...If Air NZ sponsored the All Whites and put as much effort into that as they are now with the All Blacks..... Vie
40 777ER : Hehe LOL I think NZ would have more brains then leaving it white like that with that type of 'logo jet' and splash 'All Whites' markings on it!
41 Fqtv : As a long time customer of AirNZ and (more recently) a customer of Virgin Australia, you're right - something excellent is indeed happening at VA. Th
42 ZKSUJ : After reviewing the cultural tattoo policy, NZ has kept it's stance of no visible tattoos. Good on them.
43 Post contains links 777ER : After reading this article http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...769035/Air-NZ-stands-by-tattoo-ban it got me thinking, if the Asian customers aren'
44 ZKSUJ : I think many tourists see it as a tourist attraction, hence tattoos etc are part of the attraction they have paid to see. They also expect to see the
45 kiwirob : Have you been to one of those shows? I took a group of colleges from various Asian countries to the Tamaki Brothers show many years ago, most found i
46 ZKSUJ : After JQ publicly stated that they would gladly give Ms Nathan an interview despite of her tattoo, does anyone on here actually know if she applied to
47 ZKOJH : Now that CZ have taken hold of the 787 and an internal memo has put AKL along with CDG and LHR on the list of routes, how long before this happens? th
48 Post contains links ZKOJH : Now that we are into the final year before the new T2 opens at LHR (home of Star Alliance) NZ will finally make the move from T1 to T2 on the 22 Octob
49 aerorobnz : AKL is overdue. It was supposed to receive CZ 787 flight in about October last year. That was always the plan, CHC well we will see. still a lot more
50 PA515 : Eff. 03 Mar 2014 Air NZ's AKL-DUD-AKL nonstop flights reduce from 3 x 733 to 2 x 320. Monday to Friday: DUD-WLG 0650/0800 733, connecting to WLG-AKL 0
51 Post contains links Palmyboy12 : NZ has agreed to pay a record $7.5 million fine in airline cargo price-fixing scandal - it's the largest of all the airlines involved. The others in t
52 alangirvan : I think Dunedin will be pleased to have the A320 on domestic services. The non stops that have been lost from AKL-DUD were good for international conn
53 motorhussy : If you want a scary Tamaki Brother experience you'll have to go see Mike and Doug's brother Brian up at Destiny.
54 Post contains links PA515 : Luxon says Air NZ 'unlikely' to use 'Spaceseat' in 789's and 77E's. blog.apex.aero/cabin-interior/ai...-9s-or-retrofitted-777-200s-says-ceo/ Is the 'S
55 aerorobnz : Well am in AMS now. Let me just say that I won't be in a hurry to fly NZ economy on the aisle seat (on a skycouch row). It is way narrower and I kept
56 kiwirob : All three are a few bangers short if you ask me.
57 zkncj : Nice try, although I don't see that every happening. Pretty sure the crew are under pretty tight restrictions on AKL-ZQN/DUD that they are only to do
58 777ER : If DUD wants frequent service then maybe its time DUD went the way IVC services have gone, ATR services. An ATR service to AKL won't hurt anyone I th
59 777ER : In regards to the B77W Y service, on my flight to LAX on Sunday 8th I was seated in the first three rows beside the window just after the first 2 row
60 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I think he meant 2 services with the stop in WLG now meaning 2 flights That would take an age to fly though. Close to under 3 hours in a turbo prop m
61 777ER : IIRC there talk about an ATR taking around 2 hours to fly IVC-AKL on here a few months back?
62 alangirvan : Once upon a time it was all 737-200s into Dunedin. The first flight of the day started in Invercargill and went IVC-DUD-WLG-AKL. Then shock for the ci
63 ZKSUJ : Well WLG-DUD is scheduled for 1:50. I would add at least another 50 mins or so on there for AKL-DUD. Punching into a strong southerly however, you wi
64 BonzoLab : The 1:50 WLG DUD is built with the strong southerly in mind. An average day heading south will be around 1:35 block to block. ATR typical true air spe
65 ZKSUJ : Oh Ok didn't know that, I stand corrected then. Wasn't aware that the ATR was quicker than the Q3 in the cruise. Still pushing 3 hours though in a de
66 NZ107 : UA's FB page shows celebrations for DEN's inaugural international 787 flight. Sure is, and I'd expect a lot to continue driving to ZQN and departing
67 777ER : Yes there is another thread on here about it. Once you take into account the drive, waiting at the airport and flying you would have already made it
68 NZ107 : Pictures are up on Air NZ's FB page of what seems like the new livery for NZ. It seems like they'll be adding a fern underneath the koru.. And then th
69 Post contains links 777ER : The current black silver fern (minus the rugby markings) will become one of two official NZ liverys. Roll out of the new liverys will begin later this
70 alangirvan : Will there be a special All Black Charter to Argentina this year? Could a 787 do the charter next year if it is in service in time?
71 ghifty : Is this something only NZ residents can see? I can't see this at all./
72 NZ107 : Should be here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151604956425777&set=a.10151604956250777.1073741831.23637220776&type=1&theater h
73 ZKOJH : What plan has NZ got in place for not putting the 'Space seat' on the 787's and 772 refit's A year to go and they are now back to the drawing board. o
74 Post contains links timb777 : I like them both & the overwhelming majority of comments on social media etc are positive! My favourite is the 1/2 silver, 1/2 black one- should l
75 kiwirob : Mine to, the all black is too much black, this is our national airline, not a flying advertisment for the NZRFU! The half n' half looks awesome.
76 zkncj : Someone forgot to tell them not to paint OXA/OJQ up just black tails in the past 2 weeks!
77 777ER : Looks like OXA, OJQ, MVB and MVC can easily have this new design added
78 ZKSUJ : I'm still a fan of the teal but the new livery (I read the white/black one will be the main livery with the full black as a special) is much better th
79 cchan : Will the 733s and 763s get repainted?
80 aerorobnz : 733 I highly doubt - like the AA MD80s they are not much longer in service and unless they require a repaint during a major check. 763 possibly - the
81 Post contains images sunrisevalley : On the livery, the fern looks more like the open mouth of a shark. I hope someone paid NZ for the privilege of doing this abysmal effort
82 NZ1 : The 733 fleet will not be getting this scheme. It is also highly unlikely the 767 will be repainted unless something drastic happens to the 787 delive
83 777ER : NZ1, do you know the paint timetable yet for each fleet?
84 Post contains links Andrensn : Jetstar Cans WLG-ZQN http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10890080 "Jetstar is ditching services from Wellington to Qu
85 TheLifehouse : I'm surprised the repainting of OJQ and OJS weren't put off while Air New Zealand were in the works about a modified new livery. Another trip to the p
86 aerorobnz : Maybevit's easier and a faster way to update the whole fleet to a more standard branding., even if the full liveries take longer to roll out as the a
87 NZ1 : Only for the A320 and 777 fleets. Most are spread throughout this year and first half of next year. NZ1
88 Andrensn : What about Airnz Link??? If so are we likely to see both liveries on the link aircraft?
89 aerorobnz : Air Nelson, Eagle & Mt Cook plan their own operation seperate to Air NZ. I am certain all airlines will have an even split between both liveries.
90 777ER : Are you able to post the information?
91 nascarnut : Qantas Flt94 LAX-MEL diverting into AKL on Thursday 13th Jun. ETA 0715 Aircraft VH-OQJ. Not sure of reason for diversion
92 Post contains links ZKOJH : Looks like they are finding it hard.... ''Jetstar cuts flights to Queenstown from capital'' Jetstar chief for Australia and NZ Jetstar is backing off
93 SYDAIRPORTS : don't understand why JQ don't do BNE/ZQN at least a few times a week in winter esp now VA/NZ have gone 8 times a week in winter (twice on Sundays) QF
94 zkncj : People just don't wont to cross the Tasman full stop on Jetstar, JQ is struggle with its NZ Operation as they have made them self such a bad name.
95 Post contains links texan : The Dominion Post is doing a pretty good series on Wellington's future needs. Today's piece focuses on infrastructure and, specifically, the proposed
96 SYDAIRPORTS : JQ seems to be slowly taking over QF ops SYD & MEL/ZQN nonstops. For AUG per week SYDZQN QF x 3, JQ x 2 MEL/ZQN JQ X 5, QF X 0 BNE/ZQN QF X 1 onl
97 motorhussy : What a shame, I really enjoyed that 70-minute direct flight to the southern play ground the other week. Mind you, being JQ, they re-routed our ZQN-WL
98 SYDAIRPORTS : easy to bag JQ but JQ international is making money, lots of it, whereas QF Int is shrinking as it's losing heaps, somehting like AUD$1/2 MILLION a da
99 DavidByrne : I assumed that the OOL-ZQN route was not aimed at Queenslanders, but at Asian tourists who could arrive in OOL from Asia to do the Gold Coast experie
100 aerokiwi : Yeah, it is, and generally with very strong justification. You probably haven't experienced the "joys" of JQ on New Zealand domestic. I haven't used
101 SYDAIRPORTS : no think it was aimed at BNE & OOL passengers, based on success of Air Asia OOL/KUL, dragging people form BNE to OOL, but it didn't work. Maybe J
102 zkncj : Not always the case, VA Frequent Flyer program is growing rapidly and is eating into Qantas share of the Aussie Frequent Flyer Market. Were as Qantas
103 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Cartel case: Air NZ price fixing "hurt consumers"'' NZ's bill hits $8 Million... Air New Zealand will pay more than $8 million in penalties for its
104 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Ex-Air NZ boss heads India airline'' is it a good move...??? Gary Toomey, who was at the helm of Air New Zealand when it nearly collapsed in 2001, h
105 byronicle6 : What date will ZK-OXA be arriving in NZ and have her first commercial service? From memory it is sometime in June... Must be soon
106 Post contains links NZ107 : http://www.planespotters.net/Product...20/5629,ZK-OXA-Air-New-Zealand.php Delivered today, but apparently heading to the Paris Air Show first.. That's
107 nascarnut : Second QF heavy ex USA this week is coming into AKL Sunday morning. VH-OEJ operating as QF8 is due in around 0550 and will depart for BNE at approx 06
108 NZ1 : OXA arrives in AKL next Friday, 21st June in the afternoon around 3pm. NZ1
109 TheLifehouse : Thanks for letting us know. Do you know if ZK-OXA has been repainted into the new livery announced by Air NZ recently?
110 Post contains links and images NZ107 : No. View Large View MediumPhoto © Dn280
111 motorhussy : The reasons for the SQ/NZ relationship immolation are manifold and well documented but are summed up in one word - Ansett. Presumably in one of the t
112 Post contains images zkojq : I wonder how much they made from the price-fixing. I assume they will take their time with it. Most of the Link aircraft are (thankfully, IMO) still
113 aerokiwi : Sigh. Imagine how she'd look resplendent in a spectacular teal, blue and green livery. Thanks Fyfe.
114 NZ107 : Like a mini 763!
115 Post contains images aotearoa : ZK-OXA is enroute to Auckland. On FR as ANZ 6399.
116 Post contains links and images zkojq : That would be perfection. Airbus did a video and some photos of the handover. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnWAQhOps24 http://bit.ly/14HIZ0i http:/
117 Post contains links HLZCPH : Star Air freight have quite a few 762F from other operators too. http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Star-Air
118 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Air NZ Premium Economy cabin wins at Skytrax Awards Ahh the irony of the Spaceseat not going into the 787/772 http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8814...-
119 ZKSUJ : Still a guide I guess, it's quite stink to see us slipping down the ladder for some years now. Hard to believe that we were considered one of the wor
120 NZ107 : As a guide, I definitely won't be following something which ranks JQ ahead of BA. Who in their right mind would actually choose JQ over BA (on the Au
121 ZKSUJ : It probably is. EK got the #1 spot albeit not being by far the best in the opinion of many (10 abreast in Y, inconsistent cabin crew etc...) What I m
122 NZ107 : Because the airlines want to milk it for all it's worth and more... Look at Qatar. Or look at Auckland Airport - running promotions for people to vot
123 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Bit useless though when you're on a plane on the tarmac for 25 mins after landing due to no gates being available
124 SYDAIRPORTS : apart from seasonal route AKL/MCY what other trans-Tasman routes could be operated seasonally on a nonstop basis ? Seems crazy that TSV now has no int
125 sunrisevalley : Aerorobnz wrote in another thread........ This is gonna be in the fleet for NZ I reckon. 763/77E/77W/744 replaced by one 789/78X fleet = huge savings
126 zkncj : NZ doesn't seem to mind the increase in seating capacity, example would be the 733 replacement they have gone from 133 seats to 171, yet on every dom
127 Mr AirNZ : Many routes do not have entry level fares (Grabaseat or Grabaseat + Bag) available for booking until mid morning. Early flights running on the A320 h
128 motorhussy : NZ have flown to TSV in the past, guess it didn't work for them. Plus, many of the mining towns are a fly and drive from a major airport anyway, you
129 DavidByrne : A couple of points - CHC just overtook WLG in population prior to the earthquake, though it has dropped back a bit since then. Second, NZ does operat
130 koruman : How has the Phuket grabaseat debacle turned out? Last I heard, the aircraft had already been downgauged by 2 sizes and the tickets were still not sell
131 xiaotung : From grabaseat website it looks like a sellout. None left in Business and only a few in both Premium Economy and Economy. Has it been upgraded to 747
132 SYDAIRPORTS : Apparently a lot of FIFO from TSV to places like ISA. Didn't realise there were WLG/NAN nonstops. You'd think they would operate year round, especial
133 Post contains images ZKEOJ : I never understood why people are raving about TK. I was on TK's A330-200 (TC-JND) in J from PEK to IST, and it was easily the worst J experience eve
134 NZ107 : Wow.. My friend just flew it IST-KUL last month and had the complete opposite soft product experience - the service was average but the food was exce
135 nzrich : CHC and WLG are very similar sized but when you add in catchment areas CHC has basically most of the South Island that makes CHC a more popular choic
136 texan : WLG closed due to winds. I'm in Hataitai overlooking the airport and we've had winds over 150 kmh with at least three windows out, debris in the house
137 NZ107 : Doesn't sound good at all.. Hope you haven't lost anything. Stay warm! A little kinder up here as it's a westerly so the crosswind factor shouldn't b
138 aerorobnz : I select only the 77W services - usually because I like their Comfort class, but I have flown Y on the 77W too. That is why I enjoy them. I also like
139 SXI899 : Not surprising!! I just had a peek at the METARs from last night: NZWN 200900Z 19048G63KT 2000 +RA SCT014 BKN019 OVC060 07/06 Q0983 WS R16 BECMG 9999
140 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Wee bit of cross-wind there last night in the early evening Closed early this morning too, not gonna be fun clearing that backlog on a Friday
141 ZKEOJ : Yeah, I heard that Y Comfort is supposed to be really good on TK! I only got on them because it was on UA award miles, and all other options to Germa
142 NZ107 : ZK-OXA is over the Tasman, seemingly due in before 6pm. It's flying at over 600kt - what a tailwind! I suppose its first flight will be on Monday? Any
143 aerorobnz : I reckon it will be on L70/71/72 for a while if it is staying here. It's a pity it couldn't pop by here in SYD to pick up a few of us disrupt passeng
144 PA515 : It did a circle over the Tasman at 39,000ft while NZ136 BNE-AKL was doing 637kts and still climbing at about 1,400ft/min. Seemed like they were tryin
145 NZ107 : Yeah that was interesting.. I suppose being close to the 772 was the reason for it?
146 motorhussy : Watched the most beautiful departure out of WLG this evening/late afternoon. Sun waining, NZ A320 taking off into the extraordinary southerly and it a
147 motorhussy : Just a thought, is there any likelihood the SQ and NZ interests and increasing stakes in VA are heading to an AN like stand-off? Are they heading towa
148 SXI899 : To my knowledge there is no permanent HF installation, but they may have fitted a temporary one for the delivery (as for the ATRs). If not, outside o
149 aerorobnz : It is the EY share that SQ are trying to inhibit from increasing - EY is the enemy as far as SQ is concerned. The stand off is not between NZ & S
150 aerorobnz : I see that zkojc is first intl aircraft in black n white like ojq.
151 NZ107 : No sign of it today on the tarmac.. There was one area closed in the main hangar so maybe it's hiding in there..
152 zkncj : Anyone know what is going on with Gate 16 at WLG, last couple of times ive been there the sky bridges has be removed?
153 aussie18 : Anyone know what aircraft is being repainted next if any and also can someone tell me where the recent ones have been repainted, Is it Auckland or som
154 NZ107 : The narrowbody maintenance base and paintshop is in CHC.
155 aussie18 : Thanks for that.
156 aotearoa : ZK OXA, and all the remaining nine domestic A320s do not have HF radio fitted. This is the reason OXA was delivered via the East and not via the tradi
157 Post contains links and images NZ107 : Here's ZK-OXA from this morning; in the hangars: Air New Zealand Airbus A320-200 Sharklets by ANZ787900, on Flickr
158 NZ1 : For those interested, OXA will fly it's first scheduled service next Monday 1st July as NZ407 to WLG. Rgds NZ1
159 byronicle6 : Thanks for that! By any chance do you have the schedule for the rest of 1 July? I have AKL-WLG-AKL booked for next Monday and hoping i might get the
160 aerorobnz : It does one AKL-WLG-AKL on the first, just to ease it into service. Then an AKL-CHC-AKL on the second.
161 ZK-NBT : I see ZK-OJA operating NZ768 from MCY today, is this the first flight of the season. Flew AKL-NRT-AKL in the last couple of weeks on the 763, AKL-NRT
162 aerorobnz : No, There have been at least 2, possibly more since they started. Good loads too. It's probably a bit much for me a flight of that length, I think it
163 NZ107 : Well the KL M11 Y is just like being in an NZ 772 - perfectly fine I think (even looks the same). Just that the 763 has the advantage of 2-3-2 over 3
164 ZK-NBT : That is I guess the biggest problem for NZ the use of a mix of the 772 and 763 to NRT and PVG, NRT seems worse in that aircraft seem to change from a
165 aerorobnz : Fairly good. It's patchy though - changes flight to flight - some chocka, some not so full. But in general I'd say doing ok. would those be on the 33
166 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Air New Zealand sends 787 to Singapore, Tokyo'' OK when did NZ return to SIN? wish the media would get it right...! Air New Zealand reveals Boeing 7
167 NZ107 : Nope, the whole long haul A333 fleet has been fitted with the new cradle seats and they're far more comfortable than the fixed shell ones which are s
168 ZK-NBT : That will use about 5 aircraft at current frequencies. LOL. Doesn't make sense. So there seems to be a 4th class, a lower or normal economy? Good to
169 aerorobnz : Possibly an error by media but it is plausible they may want to return to SIN, they still possess daily traffic rights. Yes, more or less. That means
170 xiaotung : People have been talking about the growing middle class from Southeast Asian countries. So it's not just about China. NZ could be losing a big opport
171 ZK-NBT : What is the difference between Skycouch Y and Non Skycouch Y other than 1 can be used as a skycouch and the other can't? Is the actual seat much diff
172 aerorobnz : A legrest that can be angled at about 45 degrees. It is in no way more comfortable in my experience AKL-LAX than a standard seat. I won't say where N
173 sunrisevalley : so after all this what does it make the seat count on the 789 by class ?
174 NZ1 : For those asking about OXA, the schedule is as follows: July 1st NZ407 AKL-WLG NZ420 WLG-AKL NZ525 AKL-CHC NZ524 CHC-AKL NZ539 AKL-CHC NZ542 CHC-AKL J
175 Post contains links kaitak : I think they count the Skycouch and non-Skycouch seats as being different products, therefore four classes. I don't know if anyone has seen this arti
176 NZ107 : Haha. Unless they were somehow referring to the 772/77W when mentioning the config.. The 789 be 3-3-3.
177 aerorobnz : The config is under lock and key. It has not even been published internally on company intranet (outside of the relevant teams) ... All we know is th
178 aerokiwi : Wait, did I miss something? Are the 787s not going to have the same premium economy config as the 77Ws? Are they ditching that seat?
179 Post contains links and images NZ107 : You sure did.. Where have you been for the last 2 weeks!? The 787s and 772s will be getting Zodiac Y+ seats - I have a sneaking suspicion they'll be
180 sunrisevalley : Yes, Zodiac has apparently come up with something different. quoting from ABT... "While reportedly drawn from Boeing’s own ‘off the rack’ catal
181 Post contains images aerokiwi : Head down, bum up, and all that jazz Wow so that's going to introduce even more product inconsistency across the fleet. Brave call. Does this herald
182 HLZCPH : What about AKL-RAR-LAX? Or is this for the chop?
183 Post contains images NZ107 : Arguable.. Once the 763s exit, it'll leave a uniform product over the 772 and 789 fleet; essentially a bit more consistent than that currently. Espec
184 PA515 : I think so. I would expect an announcement before the 6th and 7th 77W's due next year saying that the space seats were blah blah but they decided to
185 cchan : I think the announcement is more about the initial 789 routes. AKL-RAR-LAX and AKL-RAR-SYD certainly won't be the first routes to get the 789. The an
186 texan : Just got back from WLG, saw ZK-OXA on its maiden flight. Great looking aircraft! Looking forward to seeing it in service more often. Texan
187 NZ107 : Guess something went tech today. I saw it on Thursday evening parked up on the 70s. Anyone have an idea if it'll be flying tomorrow too?
188 NZ107 : Saturday (the 29th) marks the last scheduled service of the Air Pacific 747-400 to AKL. From July, the service heads to all A332/737 unless there's so
189 aerorobnz : I have both of them, but these old ladies are amongst the tiredest (non United..lol) aircraft flying. It really is the end of the 744 at AKL...Yes I
190 aerokiwi : Wow that's true. What a sad day that will be! And amazing to think how quickly it has happened. Off the top of my head, 744 operators to Auckland hav
191 ZKSUJ : Yup I share the same dream. Hopefully KE will operate the 748I to AKL aswell Managed to catch the FJ 744 landing as we were about to take off, sad to
192 Unclekoru : Did Air France operate 747 classics (-100's??) to New Zealand for a while following the merger with UTA?
193 aerorobnz : -300M/-400s
194 ZK-NBT : It will be interesting to see how KE configures their 748I's their A380s and 77Ws are both quite premium with 407 and 291 seats respectively so weath
195 nz2 : Agreed - that is why on our recent date day with my wife I chose a Thursday to ride the 744 AKL/SYD for our lunch in Manly seated in Y+, magic seats.
196 sunrisevalley : What caused the departure delay of NZ87 last evening ? At this time the rescheduled departure time is 8 AM . Sounds like they are waiting for an incom
197 PA515 : Yes........ Only seven of the eight 77E's accounted for, so one must be tech. One departed Sat evening: AKL-SFO Five arrive Sunday morning: YVR-AKL P
198 sunrisevalley : Sounds like big time tech ! I wonder what the revised HKG-LHR connection will be ?
199 Unclekoru : Thanks, the 400's ring a very vague bell. Do you recall if they operated to PPT, NOU or both?
200 NZ107 : IIRC CX sent the 744 to AKL in between the 742 and A343.. Though it's too long ago to remember!
201 Post contains images aerorobnz : There is no longer a HKG-LHR service. I'm sure they will be rebooked based on departure time in AKL...they should ask for TK... it makes for a good c
202 ZKSUJ : Don't forget the 1999 RWC livery on the NZ 744, and I remember seeing pics of a CO 747 back in the day[Edited 2013-06-29 23:12:30]
203 cchan : I remember going on CX to HKG in Dec 1995 and it was 744, and if I remember correctly the 744 does that route till around 1997/98 when the 343 came i
204 Post contains links and images NZ107 : I have a photo (somehow!!) of a Saudi 743 pulling into Gate 2.. Might have been a Hajj flight or something back in 2002 I think? And CX has brought t
205 ZK-NBT : I also recall as a couple of sub type additions KE 74L Polar 741F and also the UAE 744s. Don't forget Atlas 742F, 743SF and 744F plus Cargolux flew h
206 cchan : What would be the next (passenger) aircraft type to disappear from AKL after the 747?
207 byronicle6 : My guess would be the A340
208 Post contains images zkojq : This is true. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. 767s? I believe Its only Air New Zealand and the occasional Qantas Freighter that fly them here n
209 NZ107 : Thanks! We pushed at 1504... We were told on board that we were looking at a 3pm departure. Oh well! The thing is that barely anyone has a regular fr
210 PA515 : ZK-OKC is the 77E out of action. It came in from SYD as NZ108 about 1648 on Sat and should have done NZ8 AKL-SFO at 1915 but instead NZ8 went out at
211 koruman : So leaving a 77E on the Tarmac at Phuket for several days bang in the middle of the Aussie school holidays was as visionary and productive as expected
212 Post contains images NZ107 : Well at least the 744 got another run to BNE yesterday!
213 aerorobnz : LA are down to 3 frames now. I believe they will keep running until first deliveries of 789 for LA. The fact that it is Australian school holidays ha
214 motorhussy : They'll presumably have to wait a bit beyond that time as the 789 won't initially have the EDTO/ETOPS clearance necessary for the southern polar rout
215 gemuser : Be really interesting if they try that. Gemuser
216 koruman : Aerorobnz The significance of the Aussie school holidays is increased demand to LAX, SFO, YVR, HNL, RAR and PPT. I don't believe that leaving a 77E on
217 zkncj : I the 733(passenger model) days are limited within NZ
218 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Part 130 (by 777ER Jun 30 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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