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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 129  
User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2272 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 20924 times:
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Welcome to the 129th edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread.

Link to the previous thread: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 128 (by 777ER May 16 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently onlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 20920 times:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888007

A good article this moring in the Herald. Luxon is in Capetown for his IATA meeting this week.

He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

It's also good to see he is being honest with Airpoints. Rob Fyfe's attitude had always been not being aware of any criticism and Airpoints had been working very well.

If it was SQ, would NZ reintroduce SIN?


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2272 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 20908 times:
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I don't think for one moment we will see NZ re-introduce its own metal on AKL-SIN.

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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 20788 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 2):
I don't think for one moment we will see NZ re-introduce its own metal on AKL-SIN

Yea I don't see it any time soon either unless they strike a deal with SQ with SQ operating 285/286 and NZ taking over the 281/282 service (or even the CHC-SIN). Either way, won't be flying SIN competing with each other but rather complimenting each other.

RE Gasman in last post about the Maple Leaf vs the Fern. I see the point, but something about the leaf is not as tacky as the fern.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20756 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

While HKG is in North Asia and SIN in South East Asia, I'd think NZ would rather grow the CX deal for other North Asian cities and India. I would think a deal opening more of Europe with someone like EY similar to what QF and EK are doing, problem for NZ-EY is it would be 2 stops as you need to do say AKL-SYD/MEL-AUH-Europe, rather than AKL-AUH-Europe, which brings as interesting point would EY do do AKL-AUH with an NZ codeshare with NZ getting a large chunk of seats to sell?! Or am I on the wrong track here?

I can't personally see NZ going back to SQ or SIN due to the past, and would SQ be interested? They weren't overly last time were they?

Also South America could be interesting, I wonder if there will be any talk of that this time around? NZ are getting 789s in just over 12 months freeing up aircraft for new routes.

772s are back on the HNL run through till September now, music to KMANs ears, 2 weekly with a third flight in July August.


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20728 times:

If the 789 is available a month or two earlier than presently expected, would NZ take them earlier than planned?

User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20631 times:

Anyone know what happened to the the 3rd A320 that NZ had leased out? I though it was meant to have returned over a year ago.

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20637 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
A good article this moring in the Herald. Luxon is in Capetown for his IATA meeting this week.

He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

It's difficult to know what the perceived problem is.

Qantas' Asian problem is its complete absence of any network for getting Australian executives to multiple Chinese cities, and indeed anywhere in Asia other than SIN, HKG, NRT and PVG.

But Air New Zealand has no such dilemma because there is no such outbound market to Asia from New Zealand, other than the VFR to China which is already covered by existing flights and partnerships.

I think that Air New Zealand's network is pretty appropriate for the nation's footprint and links. I'd prefer to have more destinations in North America and a couple more in Europe, but neither is a biggie for me.

Really, if I had one long-haul wish for Air New Zealand it would be that it get Virgin Australia out of its joint venture across the Pacific with Delta and instead develop a proper long-haul joint venture with Virgin Australia using the combined fleets to right-size aircraft and to optimise frequencies.

To give an example, currently VA has three times weekly 77W BNE-LAX flights and on the other four days passengers have to fly via Sydney. That flight feeds some passengers on to SFO on Virgin America. In other words, currently three times weekly VA pax to SFO route BNE-LAX-SFO, and four days weekly they fly BNE-SYD-LAX-SFO. What a waste, especially when 19.99% of VA is owned by Air NZ. Those passengers should be flying BNE-AKL-SFO.

I'd prefer to see a three times weekly 77E flight BNE-LAX, with NZ-operated VA-coded flights via Auckland on the other four days and with SFO passengers funnelled via AKL on a daily NZ 77W.

Similarly, the VA and NZ codeshares with Etihad are currently half-baked and under-utilised. I'd prefer to see the partnership taken much more seriously, so that Air NZ can devote NZ1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR as much as possible to sale of the two individual sectors, with passengers to Manchester, Paris etc instead funnelled AKL-BNE-AUH-destination.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20626 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
Anyone know what happened to the the 3rd A320 that NZ had leased out? I though it was meant to have returned over a year ago.

Of the original batch all are accounted for. OJJ was on sold during production and never ever got into Air New Zealand hands. OJK is back and OJL had the accident in France just prior to returning. OJK and OJL were the only A320s leased out by Air New Zealand.

[Edited 2013-06-02 21:52:58]

User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20607 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 8):
Of the original batch all are accounted for. OJJ was on sold during production and never ever got into Air New Zealand hands. OJK is back and OJL had the accident in France just prior to returning. OJK and OJL were the only A320s leased out by Air New Zealand.

Thanks it was OJK that I was looking for, being returned last year what seats does it have?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20581 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
RE Gasman in last post about the Maple Leaf vs the Fern. I see the point, but something about the leaf is not as tacky as the fern.

Both the leaf and the fern are both known as cultural/national meaning in each country. AC has the leaf on its tail due it being a national symbol. I don't have any issue with NZ having the fern as its tail logo, in fact I would love the black/silver fern colours on every NZ tail. The silver fern holds national meaning (mainly thanks to the sporting teams) so its fitting to me


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20567 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Both the leaf and the fern are both known as cultural/national meaning in each country

I would kindly request that you and Kiwirob please not leave blood everywhere while discussing this topic. I don't mind you disagreeing, but please don't kill each other.

It all seems rather sad to me.

We can argue til the cows come home as to the flag, national emblem, rugby team's colours, etc.

But at the end of the day, Air New Zealand's teal colour and tail Koru are immensely powerful branding tools that long-haul flyers in the USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand recognise and associate with an extremely high-quality airline.

And that brand power is being thrown away in a bid to match the colour of the All Blacks' kit, even though less than 1% of Americans have ever heard of the All Blacks, and 80% of English people and 60% of Australians despise rugby (union) because they perceive it as what it is in their countries: as a geographically-limited code of football for over-privileged boys at private boarding schools.

In other words, a blue-chip brand is being flushed down the toilet in favour of one which plays as follows in Air New Zealand's top markets:

1. Australia - despised brand
2. USA - unknown brand
3. China - unknown brand
4. UK - despised brand

Never mind, I'm sure it plays really positively in Samoa, Fiji and Tonga.

And of course in South Africa rugby is the game of the former oppressor minority, and in Argentina it again is the sport of boys who went to private boarding schools.

If Air New Zealand had commissioned a planned attack on its own brand in its foreign markets, they couldn't have done any better than All-Black branding and livery.


User currently onlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20543 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
And that brand power is being thrown away in a bid to match the colour of the All Blacks' kit, even though less than 1% of Americans have ever heard of the All Blacks, and 80% of English people and 60% of Australians despise rugby (union) because they perceive it as what it is in their countries: as a geographically-limited code of football for over-privileged boys at private boarding schools.

Not to mention black means death in many of the Asian countries. I am surprised Rob Fyfe would rather put his airline's image in jeopardy in these markets than showcasing his own perceived and biased value and hobby. I doubt any research was done.

Australia and Qantas, on the other hand, have realised that soccer has a real potential and future. Qantas is an official sponsor of the Socceroos and A-League. Guess who is sponsoring the All Whites? Thai Airways.

[Edited 2013-06-02 23:11:57]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25688 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20511 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
A good article this moring in the Herald. Luxon is in Capetown for his IATA meeting this week.

He is looking at forging an alliance with another airline. Will it be SQ?

I enjoyed the article, there seemed to be something for everyone, including the upper end FF's.  

With regard to an alliance, I guess Singapore is the obvious one. Then they'd bracket Australia and could get together and both buy Virgin Australia - with Air NZ as the (just) majority shareholder, of course, and Etihad in there somewhere.

I suppose it would raise the spectre of Ansett, but these are different times and different people and I'd give a couple of cheers if it happened.

But it's so obvious it's almost boring to me. I'd rather something a bit less obvious, a bit more out in left field, but with that comes more risk.

It's why I like the idea of the code share with Turkish - that really caught me by surprise. I think it's a potential beauty and I wonder if anything is ever going to happen with it.

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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20510 times:

ZK-SJC has apparently flown its last flight for Air New Zealand today.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):
Thanks it was OJK that I was looking for, being returned last year what seats does it have?

Should be the same as all the others in the Tasman/Pacific A320 fleet as they are operated interchangeably.

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):

  



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User currently onlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 20468 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
It's why I like the idea of the code share with Turkish - that really caught me by surprise. I think it's a potential beauty and I wonder if anything is ever going to happen with it.

It might not have been just a random cooperation. TK has just announced that they would open SYD in 2014 via Asia (possibly SIN) and would move to SYD-IST non-stop in 3 years once they get their 777-200LR. For NZ passengers, that would give you one stop to Europe. The EY codeshare deal looks to me like a way to persuade EY not to fly to AKL rather than NZ wanting to feed pax through Abu Dhabi.


User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 20455 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 14):
ZK-SJC has apparently flown its last flight for Air New Zealand today.

That could be a good thing..... she was looking very shabby back in January

Quoting zkojq (Reply 14):

Should be the same as all the others in the Tasman/Pacific A320 fleet as they are operated interchangeably.

I know the SJ branded new delivered had a more stripped back interior than the NZ standard.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 20407 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 16):
That could be a good thing..... she was looking very shabby back in January

I flew on her two years or so ago - the interior looked fine then. Hope she finds a good home.


Quoting zkncj (Reply 16):
I know the SJ branded new delivered had a more stripped back interior than the NZ standard.

But this has been amended through the interior refits inwhich the Panasonic EX2s were installed, right?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25688 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 20402 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 15):
It might not have been just a random cooperation. TK has just announced that they would open SYD in 2014 via Asia (possibly SIN) and would move to SYD-IST non-stop in 3 years once they get their 777-200LR. For NZ passengers, that would give you one stop to Europe.

I agree, I don't think it was random.

I think that's good stuff - and even better if Air NZ met up with Turkish somewhere in Asia as well. It would win me - I think Istanbul (and Turkey) is a grand place to have a stopover on the way to Europe.,

I guess the question is - how far ahead is Mr. Luxon looking, and what does he see?

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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 20397 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
The silver fern holds national meaning (mainly thanks to the sporting teams) so its fitting to me

Well the way I see it. The silver fern which is a symbol of the NZRFU is associated with sports teams. This is the one with the sharp edges. The one I refer to as tacky is the cheap looking one used on flags you get at the 2 dollar shop which is also the same one proposed for the national flag. Either way, I much prefer the koru on the tail.

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
We can argue til the cows come home as to the flag, national emblem, rugby team's colours, etc. But at the end of the day, Air New Zealand's teal colour and tail Koru are immensely powerful branding tools that long-haul flyers in the USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand recognise and associate with an extremely high-quality airline.

I agree with you. And your entire post makes sense to me. It seems this re-branding is another sign of what many see as a move from a legacy quality carrier, towards a Low cost carrier

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Not to mention black means death in many of the Asian countries.

Yea that's true. Ironic how people keep harping on about Asia being the biggest growth market etc (I'm not saying it is or it isn't) yet they paint it black which signifies death.
Some on here would say this is petty, but then so is having the number 8 in the flight number on Asian routes and the company did that...

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Qantas is an official sponsor of the Socceroos and A-League

Yup, yet they haven't painted all their tails yellow and green...

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Guess who is sponsoring the All Whites? Thai Airways.

It's funny. Seeing the Kiwis play and 'Malaysian Airlines' all over their Jesery, or Team NZ with EK all over it. But I guess that's business.

God forbid the day if the NZRU needs more cash and signs with EK as their sponsor, what will happen to NZ then? Would it still be a good thing to be all black then?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25688 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 20378 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 19):
It seems this re-branding is another sign of what many see as a move from a legacy quality carrier, towards a Low cost carrier

I'm an LCC advocate and I don't see it as that.

The black is just not a design choice I like, although I understand why some would. I think it's better with the silver fern leaf, but I still prefer the older livery and with the Pacific Wave.

I'm not sure it matters to the travelling public, though, and I think there are some crap legacy liveries out there.

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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 20373 times:

Just got back from a trip to HKG on NZ87/80. In economy, the loads are around 90% full, but the large majority of passengers are mainland Chinese, a few Europeans, and even fewer HKG residents. On HKG-AKL, there are quite a number of passengers who hold CX issued boarding passes. It seems to me that the route has good loads of transit passengers but I wonder what the yields will be.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20288 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):Both the leaf and the fern are both known as cultural/national meaning in each country
I would kindly request that you and Kiwirob please not leave blood everywhere while discussing this topic. I don't mind you disagreeing, but please don't kill each other.

LOL, had no intention of killing him

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
But at the end of the day, Air New Zealand's teal colour and tail Koru are immensely powerful branding tools that long-haul flyers in the USA, UK, Australia and New Zealand recognise and associate with an extremely high-quality airline.

Yes that's very true and that is something NZ needs to consider when changing its colour scheme. I wonder how much thought was given to the black tail? Airlines still need to change their livery - just look at Air Pacific and American. In regards to Air Pacific its a total name/livery change and some people who knew Air Pacific won't know its now Air Fiji and will get confused when they booked via Air Pacific's web-site but check-in, receive the boarding pass and board an Air Fiji branded aircraft.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 19):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):The silver fern holds national meaning (mainly thanks to the sporting teams) so its fitting to me

Well the way I see it. The silver fern which is a symbol of the NZRFU is associated with sports teams. This is the one with the sharp edges. The one I refer to as tacky is the cheap looking one used on flags you get at the 2 dollar shop which is also the same one proposed for the national flag. Either way, I much prefer the koru on the tail.

Ahhh, have to admit I got confused by your post about the flag change but now the bells are ringing.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 20256 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
I think that's good stuff - and even better if Air NZ met up with Turkish somewhere in Asia as well. It would win me - I think Istanbul (and Turkey) is a grand place to have a stopover on the way to Europe.,

Yep. I am sure it will happen in the next year or so.

If they drop a 77W into SYD even via SIN as it will start, it will be my new way of going to Europe.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 20126 times:

NZ's 789's coming together…

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...es-final-assembly-of-787-9-386575/



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7814 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20221 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
LOL, had no intention of killing him

Were we even discussing anything?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
I wonder how much thought was given to the black tail?

I would say next to no thought whatsoever, it should have remained TEAL.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 23):
If they drop a 77W into SYD even via SIN as it will start, it will be my new way of going to Europe.

The TK lounge in IST is amazing, head and shoulders the best I've ever been in. I would use them to fly back to NZ from Norway over any other carrier if NZ and TK come to an arrangement.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25688 posts, RR: 85
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19768 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
With regard to an alliance, I guess Singapore is the obvious one. Then they'd bracket Australia and could get together and both buy Virgin Australia - with Air NZ as the (just) majority shareholder, of course, and Etihad in there somewhere.

Air NZ is raising its stake in Virgin Australia to 23% and may go to 26%:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888772

Air New Zealand has agreed to lift its holding in Virgin Australia to about 23 percent from 19.99 percent in a series of off-market transactions and indicated it may seek to hold as much as 26 percent.

At that point, Air NZ and Singapore would own about 46%. Hmmm.

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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19969 times:

From another thread, NZ has won best Y-class as judged by...

TheDesignAir @ Top 10 Economy Classes Of 2013

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5781254/

Not sure how much mana that carries with it, but good news nevertheless for NZ.



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User currently onlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19955 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 26):
Air NZ is raising its stake in Virgin Australia to 23% and may go to 26%

I thought going over 20% NZ would have to launch a takeover bid.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25688 posts, RR: 85
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19950 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 28):
I thought going over 20% NZ would have to launch a takeover bid.

I thought that, too, but according to another article they can increase their holding by 3% every six months without having to launch a full takeover.

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User currently onlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19951 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 29):
I thought that, too, but according to another article they can increase their holding by 3% every six months without having to launch a full takeover.

I wonder what their motive is. Is there really any difference between 20% and 30% if they don't plan to take over VA? Perhaps the deal was to deny any chance of EY taking control?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25688 posts, RR: 85
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19943 times:
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Quoting xiaotung (Reply 30):
I wonder what their motive is.

I can only guess at that, especially as they are not asking for a seat on the board. A stealth move, maybe?

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 30):
Is there really any difference between 20% and 30% if they don't plan to take over VA? Perhaps the deal was to deny any chance of EY taking control?

I don't see a lot of difference between the two numbers - unless they have a long-term game plan.

I'm not sure it even denies Etihad much - maybe someone else would sell to them. And a deal between Etihad and Singapore would give them a joint holding of 30%.

EDIT: Just found this, which has one possible explanation:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-australia-stake-seeks-3-more.html

“They are defending their patch,” David Fraser, Sydney-based analyst at Nomura Holdings Inc., said by phone. “They want to be at the table when and if Singapore Airlines pushes for a board seat. I’d expect them to push for a board seat, too.”

Not sure I buy it. Air NZ could oush for a board seat now.

mariner

[Edited 2013-06-05 18:11:28]


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19928 times:
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In this stuff article http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu.../8763819/Air-NZ-lifts-Virgin-stake it says

""The additional interest affirms Air New Zealand's strong belief and confidence in Virgin Australia and the strategy it is pursuing under the leadership of John Borghetti and his team," says an Air New Zealand statement."

NZ certainly believes something excellent is happening at VA and under its current leadership VA has a strong life/expansion options. Could NZ be interested in inviting VA to join star? Could this move enable NZ (and to some extent SQ also) to block VA from joining Sky Team and DL more?

This new move to further enhance its shares is IMHO a very interesting move and is something that we should now be looking at with interest because NZ certainly (again IMHO) are on the attack


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25688 posts, RR: 85
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19919 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):
Could NZ be interested in inviting VA to join star? Could this move enable NZ (and to some extent SQ also) to block VA from joining Sky Team and DL more?

Any of those is possible, I guess.

The only other hint out there is that Etihad has said it is not interested in a larger holding - at the moment, anyway - because it has become heavily involved in Jet Airways, which they think has greater potential returns.

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User currently onlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 19905 times:

http://www.theage.com.au/business/si...alue-in-virgin-20130531-2nhd0.html

This article says SQ is looking at strengthening loyalty programme with VA as clearly Velocity is lagging behind QFF. Perhaps for VA to raise the profile of Velocity they really should consider joing Star. For a largely domestic player, they could feed (or be fed) nearly 10 Star members serving Australia. It's a no brainer to me. What are they waiting for?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19837 times:

The statement says they are not interested in a VA takeover OR a seat on the board.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 25):
The TK lounge in IST is amazing, head and shoulders the best I've ever been in. I would use them to fly back to NZ from Norway over any other carrier if NZ and TK come to an arrangement.

They are my airline of choice for longhaul Y+ and Y travel. Their Business I haven't tried yet, but it certainly won't be bad given that the amentity kits in Y are better than the Biz amenties on NZ....


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19696 times:

A few stories today from down under.


''Dismissal of Air NZ flight attendant justified''

A flight attendant fired by Air New Zealand for her conduct on a flight between Auckland and Rarotonga has lost her claim for unjustified dismissal.

Jennifer Kilpatrick's behaviour on the flight was so worrying the captain considered standing her down because she was compromising safety, the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) said.

The authority dismissed Ms Kilpatrick's personal grievance claims against the airline, raised after she was fired last year.

The dismissal came after an Auckland-Rarotonga-Auckland tour in March 2012, when the flight service manager became so concerned by Ms Kilpatrick's disruptive and uncooperative behaviour that she called two other senior managers to meet the flight in Auckland to discuss her conduct.

After passengers left the plane, the managers attempted to give Ms Kilpatrick feedback about her performance

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888766



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19685 times:

What changed there mind??

''Price-fixing case: Air NZ agrees to settle''

Air New Zealand has done a u-turn in its long-running air-cargo case with the Commerce Commission and has agreed to settle the proceedings.

The national carrier and the regulator had originally reached a settlement agreement in the price-fixing litigation but Air New Zealand made a 11th hour bid to cancel the deal.
However, in a joint statement this afternoon from both parties, Air New Zealand has appeared to have backed down and agreed to settle:

"Air New Zealand has withdrawn its proceeding challenging the Settlement Agreement in the Air Cargo proceeding and will pay costs to the Commission in relation to the settlement of this dispute. The parties have agreed a basis for settling the proceedings.
There will now be a penalty hearing and the parties are seeking the earliest available date for that hearing," the statement said.

Ten other airlines have admitted their role in the price-fixing case and have paid penalties of $35 million.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888607



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19693 times:

How will NZ respond to this ??


Hawaiian hopes high for Kiwi route - Daily to come soon??

Hawaiian Airlines will look to add more services to its Auckland-Honolulu route if demand follows the same patterns as flights to Australia.

The airline's president and chief executive, Mark Dunkerley, said the thrice-weekly service would be stepped up during school holidays later this year and permanent increases in frequency were possible.

"I think we're very encouraged by what we've seen - we've been able to add some frequencies later in the year. We're seeing some growing interest southbound out of the United States as well," he said during a break at the International Air Transport Association meeting in Cape Town.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888683



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User currently offlinePalmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19693 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 12):
Guess who is sponsoring the All Whites? Thai Airways.

Well at least they left it to Thai...If Air NZ sponsored the All Whites and put as much effort into that as they are now with the All Blacks.....
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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19361 times:
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Quoting Palmyboy12 (Reply 39):

Hehe LOL I think NZ would have more brains then leaving it white like that with that type of 'logo jet' and splash 'All Whites' markings on it!


User currently offlineFqtv From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19314 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 32):

NZ certainly believes something excellent is happening at VA

As a long time customer of AirNZ and (more recently) a customer of Virgin Australia, you're right - something excellent is indeed happening at VA. Their premium onboard offering and FF program are first class. From a corporate perspective, AirNZ are doing the right thing as a company in buying in to them - it prevents VA from becoming a regional competitor, gives NZ leverage against Qantas, future access to a solid Australian frequent flyer base, complements / enhances NZ's S2S strategy on the Tasman, the list goes on, and even if all that weren't true it would be a sound medium term financial investment anyway. It's a smart move from NZ and TBH one of the easier investment decisions. Being a VA and NZ customer (in fairly equal measures) provides a intersting insight though - more than anything else it underlines how important competition is and shows what happens when there is a lack of it.

Cheers, Zac


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18961 times:

After reviewing the cultural tattoo policy, NZ has kept it's stance of no visible tattoos. Good on them.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18867 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 42):

After reading this article http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...769035/Air-NZ-stands-by-tattoo-ban it got me thinking, if the Asian customers aren't comfortable dealing with crew with Maori tattoo's as NZ say then why do Asian tourists visit Maori tourism sites in Rotorua where a Maori group 'challanges' the visitors with tattoo's on their faces? Wouldn't the 'challange' scare the visitors more then a tattoo from a smiling crew member serving your meal or welcoming you on board?


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18854 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 43):

I think many tourists see it as a tourist attraction, hence tattoos etc are part of the attraction they have paid to see. They also expect to see the Maori at the shows in traditional flax clothing etc, not suits and dresses. To many tourists I would imagine they see Maori culture as a show (because cultural concerts etc are commercialized, you pay for a ticket to see a concert), and tattoos are part of that. Show's do not in many people's mindset reflect real life where some may see tats as threatening.

NZ is not a Maori cultural concert/experience so the grooming standards are different, the airline has to convey a professional, non-threatening image.

It's all about having/maintaining a grooming standard.


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7814 posts, RR: 5
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 18824 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 43):
if the Asian customers aren't comfortable dealing with crew with Maori tattoo's as NZ say then why do Asian tourists visit Maori tourism sites in Rotorua where a Maori group 'challanges' the visitors with tattoo's on their faces?

Have you been to one of those shows? I took a group of colleges from various Asian countries to the Tamaki Brothers show many years ago, most found it funny and had a hard time keeping a straight face, it's almost a Disney level experience, not something to take seriously.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18541 times:

After JQ publicly stated that they would gladly give Ms Nathan an interview despite of her tattoo, does anyone on here actually know if she applied to them or went for an interview?

AFAIK the JQ policy on tats is the same as the QF one which is also the same as the NZ one (no visible Tats)


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 18208 times:

Now that CZ have taken hold of the 787 and an internal memo has put AKL along with CDG and LHR on the list of routes, how long before this happens? this would then free up the A332 to start a CHC service maybe! ?


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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 18166 times:

Now that we are into the final year before the new T2 opens at LHR (home of Star Alliance)

NZ will finally make the move from T1 to T2 on the 22 October 2014 -

http://www.heathrowairport.com/flight-information/airline-moves

Also the New T2 will have 4 check in zones - and NZ will operate out of Zone D

http://www.heathrowairport.com/about...w-terminal-2/who-will-be-operating

With the move also that year to the TBIT at LAX do you think the London date will move? (unless the stop the NZ2 service??)



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 18171 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 47):
Now that CZ have taken hold of the 787 and an internal memo has put AKL along with CDG and LHR on the list of routes, how long before this happens? this would then free up the A332 to start a CHC service maybe! ?

AKL is overdue. It was supposed to receive CZ 787 flight in about October last year. That was always the plan, CHC well we will see. still a lot more to be done down there before hotels are back to full strength


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17847 times:

Eff. 03 Mar 2014 Air NZ's AKL-DUD-AKL nonstop flights reduce from 3 x 733 to 2 x 320.
Monday to Friday:

DUD-WLG 0650/0800 733, connecting to WLG-AKL 0835/0935 320 is unchanged.

AKL-DUD 0725/0920 733, DUD-AKL 0955/1140 733 becomes:
AKL-DUD 0845/1040 320, DUD-AKL 1115/1300 320

AKL-DUD 1430/1625 733, DUD-AKL 1710/1855 733 becomes:
AKL-DUD 1530/1725 320, DUD-AKL 1800/1945 320

AKL-WLG 1730/1830 733, WLG-DUD 1900/2015 733 becomes:
AKL-WLG 1800/1900 733, WLG-DUD 1930/2045 733

AKL-DUD 1905/2100 733 ceases.
DUD-AKL 2050/2235 733 ceases.

The number of 320/733 aircraft in use on domestic routes reduces by one to 13 (8 x 320 and 5 x 733). The 9th 320 appears set to replace DUD's overnighting 733 but that's not in the schedule up until the end of May 2014. When it does happen, 4 x 733 (532 pax) will have become 3 x 320 (513 pax).

PA515


User currently offlinePalmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17494 times:

NZ has agreed to pay a record $7.5 million fine in airline cargo price-fixing scandal - it's the largest of all the airlines involved. The others in the scandal are EK, BA, JL, MH (MASkargo), TH, KE, SQ (Singapore Airlines Cargo), CX, CV (Cargolux) and QF.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/air-nz-...rtel-penalty-sets-record-gb-141243



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17371 times:

I think Dunedin will be pleased to have the A320 on domestic services. The non stops that have been lost from AKL-DUD were good for international connections, but a stop in WLG along the way is not too bad. Two cups of coffee or glasses of wine and plates of cheese between DUD and AKL (AirNZ copying the Qantas Cityflyer service on Australian domestic flights)

The problem with going to the larger plane is that we do lose frequency - people liek having a choice of departure times. Perhaps the CS-100 will be a good plane for Dunedin.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17322 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 45):
Have you been to one of those shows? I took a group of colleges from various Asian countries to the Tamaki Brothers show many years ago, most found it funny and had a hard time keeping a straight face, it's almost a Disney level experience, not something to take seriously.

If you want a scary Tamaki Brother experience you'll have to go see Mike and Doug's brother Brian up at Destiny.



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17333 times:

Luxon says Air NZ 'unlikely' to use 'Spaceseat' in 789's and 77E's.

blog.apex.aero/cabin-interior/ai...-9s-or-retrofitted-777-200s-says-ceo/

Is the 'Spaceseat' a waste of space? Will the 77W's get the 789/77E PE seats?

PA515

[Edited 2013-06-10 06:23:25]

[Edited 2013-06-10 06:31:52]

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17241 times:

Well am in AMS now. Let me just say that I won't be in a hurry to fly NZ economy on the aisle seat (on a skycouch row). It is way narrower and I kept being bumped by everyone as they walked by, even if I shifted left ( I had noone next to me). My MD11 may have been 18.7 years old with ancient IFE but I know which I enjoyed more,and which service I thought was better...

User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7814 posts, RR: 5
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17207 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 53):

If you want a scary Tamaki Brother experience you'll have to go see Mike and Doug's brother Brian up at Destiny.

All three are a few bangers short if you ask me.


User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17197 times:

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 52):
Two cups of coffee or glasses of wine and plates of cheese between DUD and AKL (AirNZ copying the Qantas Cityflyer service on Australian domestic flights

Nice try, although I don't see that every happening. Pretty sure the crew are under pretty tight restrictions on AKL-ZQN/DUD that they are only to do one drinks run!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17168 times:
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Quoting alangirvan (Reply 52):
The problem with going to the larger plane is that we do lose frequency - people liek having a choice of departure times. Perhaps the CS-100 will be a good plane for Dunedin.

If DUD wants frequent service then maybe its time DUD went the way IVC services have gone, ATR services. An ATR service to AKL won't hurt anyone

Quoting zkncj (Reply 57):
Quoting alangirvan (Reply 52):Two cups of coffee or glasses of wine and plates of cheese between DUD and AKL (AirNZ copying the Qantas Cityflyer service on Australian domestic flights
Nice try, although I don't see that every happening. Pretty sure the crew are under pretty tight restrictions on AKL-ZQN/DUD that they are only to do one drinks run!

I think what alangirvan was saying is getting to AKL via WLG to connect to the long haul services will result in the DUD pax getting the 'happy hour' service twice as jets operate both services


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 17159 times:
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 55):

In regards to the B77W Y service, on my flight to LAX on Sunday 8th I was seated in the first three rows beside the window just after the first 2 rows. IMHO that row is fantastic in regards to having the two rows of two seats in front of you which gives you the impression its not cramped! While walking up the rows further back you got the feeling it was cramped especially with every seat taken! I did notice not many FA's walked up the aisles after the meal service offering water etc but that could be due to the new IFE ordering system?

I'm now in Miami after arriving 15 hours later then planned as UA cancelled the 787 flight I was booked on apparently due to crew issues. Stayed the night in Denver at United expense and when walking to catch the 6am flight to IAH the same 787 was parked at the same gate with UA staff setting up flash tables in the boarding area. Looked like a function was happening!


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 17102 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 57):
Nice try, although I don't see that every happening. Pretty sure the crew are under pretty tight restrictions on AKL-ZQN/DUD that they are only to do one drinks run!

I think he meant 2 services with the stop in WLG now meaning 2 flights

Quoting 777ER (Reply 58):
If DUD wants frequent service then maybe its time DUD went the way IVC services have gone, ATR services. An ATR service to AKL won't hurt anyone

That would take an age to fly though. Close to under 3 hours in a turbo prop maybe? I'd hate to see the flight time in a strong southerly. Might have to do the 2 full coffee/tea services  


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 17027 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 60):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 58):If DUD wants frequent service then maybe its time DUD went the way IVC services have gone, ATR services. An ATR service to AKL won't hurt anyone

That would take an age to fly though. Close to under 3 hours in a turbo prop maybe? I'd hate to see the flight time in a strong southerly. Might have to do the 2 full coffee/tea services

IIRC there talk about an ATR taking around 2 hours to fly IVC-AKL on here a few months back?


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17015 times:

Once upon a time it was all 737-200s into Dunedin. The first flight of the day started in Invercargill and went IVC-DUD-WLG-AKL. Then shock for the city round about 1980 when the first arrival of the day from CHC became an F27.

Dunedin was big time when there were two 737s standing at the airport at the same time. In those days DUD-AKL was a non stop only during the summer season. In flight service was Tea/coffee and two crackers with slice of cheese.

People will probably not be so worried about losing one of our non stops to AKL when there is a one stop available. An ATR between DUD and WLG is not too bad - twenty minutes longer than a jet.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16998 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 61):
IIRC there talk about an ATR taking around 2 hours to fly IVC-AKL on here a few months back?

Well WLG-DUD is scheduled for 1:50. I would add at least another 50 mins or so on there for AKL-DUD. Punching into a strong southerly however, you will really notice the time build up, would push it to maybe just under 3.5 hours in a strong one (which happens enough)


User currently offlineBonzoLab From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16951 times:

The 1:50 WLG DUD is built with the strong southerly in mind. An average day heading south will be around 1:35 block to block.

ATR typical true air speed is 270-280kts. Take 50 knots off that for a good southerly and AKL to IVC would be around 2:45 if not more.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16941 times:

Quoting BonzoLab (Reply 64):
The 1:50 WLG DUD is built with the strong southerly in mind. An average day heading south will be around 1:35 block to block

Oh Ok didn't know that, I stand corrected then. Wasn't aware that the ATR was quicker than the Q3 in the cruise.

Still pushing 3 hours though in a decent southerly which is a heck of a long time in a turboprop


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16936 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 59):
Stayed the night in Denver at United expense and when walking to catch the 6am flight to IAH the same 787 was parked at the same gate with UA staff setting up flash tables in the boarding area. Looked like a function was happening!

UA's FB page shows celebrations for DEN's inaugural international 787 flight.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 65):

Still pushing 3 hours though in a decent southerly which is a heck of a long time in a turboprop

Sure is, and I'd expect a lot to continue driving to ZQN and departing from there..



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16891 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 66):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 59):Stayed the night in Denver at United expense and when walking to catch the 6am flight to IAH the same 787 was parked at the same gate with UA staff setting up flash tables in the boarding area. Looked like a function was happening!
UA's FB page shows celebrations for DEN's inaugural international 787 flight.

Yes there is another thread on here about it.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 66):
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 65):
Still pushing 3 hours though in a decent southerly which is a heck of a long time in a turboprop
Sure is, and I'd expect a lot to continue driving to ZQN and departing from there..

Once you take into account the drive, waiting at the airport and flying you would have already made it to AKL on a direct ATR service. Once you take into account the return petrol the costs do add up


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16889 times:

Pictures are up on Air NZ's FB page of what seems like the new livery for NZ. It seems like they'll be adding a fern underneath the koru.. And then the photo makes it look like the plane will be silver? Then somehow there's also a fully black livery too.. It'll be interesting to see what plane gets what livery...


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16897 times:
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The current black silver fern (minus the rugby markings) will become one of two official NZ liverys. Roll out of the new liverys will begin later this year!

Photos are on NZ's facebook page

www.facebook.com/AirNewZealand


User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16832 times:

Will there be a special All Black Charter to Argentina this year? Could a 787 do the charter next year if it is in service in time?

User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16830 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 68):

Pictures are up on Air NZ's FB page of what seems like the new livery for NZ. It seems like they'll be adding a fern underneath the koru.. And then the photo makes it look like the plane will be silver? Then somehow there's also a fully black livery too.. It'll be interesting to see what plane gets what livery...

Is this something only NZ residents can see? I can't see this at all./



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16821 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 71):

Should be here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151604956425777&set=a.10151604956250777.1073741831.23637220776&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151604956435777&set=a.10151604956250777.1073741831.23637220776&type=1&theater



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16806 times:

What plan has NZ got in place for not putting the 'Space seat' on the 787's and 772 refit's A year to go and they are now back to the drawing board.

oh and the new colours look stunning !!! for once its a lot better. can't wait to see the 787 next year in PVG wearing it!



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User currently offlinetimb777 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16653 times:

I like them both & the overwhelming majority of comments on social media etc are positive! My favourite is the 1/2 silver, 1/2 black one- should look fantastic on the turboprops....

Another link:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-ze...641/Air-New-Zealand-drops-the-blue


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7814 posts, RR: 5
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16642 times:

Quoting timb777 (Reply 74):
My favourite is the 1/2 silver, 1/2 black one- should look fantastic on the turboprops....

Mine to, the all black is too much black, this is our national airline, not a flying advertisment for the NZRFU! The half n' half looks awesome.


User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16618 times:

Someone forgot to tell them not to paint OXA/OJQ up just black tails in the past 2 weeks!

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 77, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16459 times:
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Quoting zkncj (Reply 76):

Looks like OXA, OJQ, MVB and MVC can easily have this new design added


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 78, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 16469 times:

I'm still a fan of the teal but the new livery (I read the white/black one will be the main livery with the full black as a special) is much better than the black tail we're currently seeing.

I hope they change the interior of the Q300 and B1900 though to have it all match up. Would be strange having green seats/cabin


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16429 times:

Will the 733s and 763s get repainted?

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 80, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16410 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 79):
Will the 733s and 763s get repainted?

733 I highly doubt - like the AA MD80s they are not much longer in service and unless they require a repaint during a major check. 763 possibly - their retirement date is less concrete as far as I am aware


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 5
Reply 81, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16380 times:

On the livery, the fern looks more like the open mouth of a shark. I hope someone paid NZ for the privilege of doing this abysmal effort   

User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2272 posts, RR: 25
Reply 82, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16308 times:
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The 733 fleet will not be getting this scheme. It is also highly unlikely the 767 will be repainted unless something drastic happens to the 787 deliveries.

OJS is also now painted the same as OJQ.

NZ1


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 83, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16185 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 82):

NZ1, do you know the paint timetable yet for each fleet?


User currently offlineAndrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16067 times:

Jetstar Cans WLG-ZQN

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10890080
"Jetstar is ditching services from Wellington to Queenstown as it focuses on peak-time services between Auckland and Christchurch.

The budget airline earlier this year cut Wellington-Queenstown services from daily to four times a week and will end all flying on September 1.

Jetstar said it would add five Auckland-Christchurch services, partly to capitalise on extra demand from the rebuild of the earthquake damaged city."


User currently offlineTheLifehouse From New Zealand, joined Feb 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16040 times:

I'm surprised the repainting of OJQ and OJS weren't put off while Air New Zealand were in the works about a modified new livery.

Another trip to the paint shop I guess :P


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 86, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15981 times:

Quoting TheLifehouse (Reply 85):
I'm surprised the repainting of OJQ and OJS weren't put off while Air New Zealand were in the works about a modified new livery.

Maybevit's easier and a faster way to update the whole fleet to a more standard branding., even if the full liveries take longer to roll out as the aircraft go into longer maintenance checks.. That is better than letting the old livery drag on forever as UA did with their various livery changes they had 3 different eras of liveries at one point, Orange, Grey , Tulip early on and Grey, Tulip, Continental later on..


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2272 posts, RR: 25
Reply 87, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15987 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 83):

Only for the A320 and 777 fleets. Most are spread throughout this year and first half of next year.

NZ1


User currently offlineAndrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15925 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 87):
Only for the A320 and 777 fleets

What about Airnz Link???
If so are we likely to see both liveries on the link aircraft?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 89, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15733 times:

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 88):
What about Airnz Link???

Air Nelson, Eagle & Mt Cook plan their own operation seperate to Air NZ. I am certain all airlines will have an even split between both liveries.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12334 posts, RR: 18
Reply 90, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15722 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 87):

Are you able to post the information?


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15695 times:

Qantas Flt94 LAX-MEL diverting into AKL on Thursday 13th Jun. ETA 0715 Aircraft VH-OQJ.
Not sure of reason for diversion


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15264 times:

Looks like they are finding it hard....


''Jetstar cuts flights to Queenstown from capital''

Jetstar chief for Australia and NZ Jetstar is backing off more from Queenstown, cutting services from Wellington in September as it tries to tap into the business market elsewhere on its network.

The airline has scaled back on the route this year from daily services to four times a week after late last year cutting its services to the southern resort town from Christchurch.

It also cut flying across its entire network during May and June as part of "route optimisation" in the face of weak winter demand, but Jetstar says it remains committed to its New Zealand domestic network.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10890156

and a new airline for New Zealand ? Samoa Air now hopes to become an international carrier, flying to other Pacific islands as well as New Zealand and Australia.!!!



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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 93, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 15200 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 92):
''Jetstar cuts flights to Queenstown from capital''

don't understand why JQ don't do BNE/ZQN at least a few times a week in winter esp now VA/NZ have gone 8 times a week in winter (twice on Sundays)

QF now only flies on Saturdays BNE/ZQN for around 2 months of year, end of June to end of Sep.

JQ tried OOL/ZQN twice a week, but it seems although BNE people will go to OOL to fly to SIN on Scoot or KUL on Air Asia, with so many flights out of BNE nonstop to ZQN in winter now, they won't drive to OOL to cross the ditch.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 92):
and a new airline for New Zealand ? Samoa Air now hopes to become an international carrier, flying to other Pacific islands as well as New Zealand and Australia.!!!

Wow where did you hear that ?


User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15134 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 93):
don't understand why JQ don't do BNE/ZQN at least a few times a week in winter esp now VA/NZ have gone 8 times a week in winter (twice on Sundays)

QF now only flies on Saturdays BNE/ZQN for around 2 months of year, end of June to end of Sep.

JQ tried OOL/ZQN twice a week, but it seems although BNE people will go to OOL to fly to SIN on Scoot or KUL on Air Asia, with so many flights out of BNE nonstop to ZQN in winter now, they won't drive to OOL to cross the ditch.

People just don't wont to cross the Tasman full stop on Jetstar, JQ is struggle with its NZ Operation as they have made them self such a bad name.


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4287 posts, RR: 52
Reply 95, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15057 times:

The Dominion Post is doing a pretty good series on Wellington's future needs. Today's piece focuses on infrastructure and, specifically, the proposed 300m extension to WLG's runway. Interesting read.

http://www.interactives.co.nz/state/day5.html#/#day-four

Texan



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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 96, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15036 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 94):
People just don't wont to cross the Tasman full stop on Jetstar, JQ is struggle with its NZ Operation as they have made them self such a bad name.

JQ seems to be slowly taking over QF ops SYD & MEL/ZQN nonstops.

For AUG per week

SYDZQN QF x 3, JQ x 2

MEL/ZQN JQ X 5, QF X 0

BNE/ZQN QF X 1 only

Many people will fly QF/JQ over NZ/VA simply because of QF frequent flyer points.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 97, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14983 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 92):

''Jetstar cuts flights to Queenstown from capital''

What a shame, I really enjoyed that 70-minute direct flight to the southern play ground the other week. Mind you, being JQ, they re-routed our ZQN-WLG return via AKL.



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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 98, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14985 times:

easy to bag JQ but JQ international is making money, lots of it, whereas QF Int is shrinking as it's losing heaps, somehting like AUD$1/2 MILLION a day, everyday, so JQ must be doing something right.

User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 2
Reply 99, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14924 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 93):
JQ tried OOL/ZQN twice a week, but it seems although BNE people will go to OOL to fly to SIN on Scoot or KUL on Air Asia, with so many flights out of BNE nonstop to ZQN in winter now, they won't drive to OOL to cross the ditch.

I assumed that the OOL-ZQN route was not aimed at Queenslanders, but at Asian tourists who could arrive in OOL from Asia to do the Gold Coast experience, and then head straight to the NZ tourist spots without having to make any kind of transfer to BNE. Was that not the strategy? If so, I'm a bit surprised that it didn't work - unless they had trouble convincing the Asian package organsiers that this was a good itinerary.



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2745 posts, RR: 4
Reply 100, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14894 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 98):
easy to bag JQ

Yeah, it is, and generally with very strong justification. You probably haven't experienced the "joys" of JQ on New Zealand domestic. I haven't used them lately, but until at least mid 2012 they were absolutely hopeless and totally unreliable. Even now I have friends that wont book the last flight of the day because of their history of cancellations.

In saying that, a shame to see them pull out of WLG-ZQN. I flew this twice in summer 2012 and it was full (and largely on-time!) - so regardless of yield, at least it demonstrates that there is demand there. It also means that, combined with no JQ service on ZQN-CHC, there are now no realistic options for WLG customers heading to Queenstown. Back to monopoly. But the press release is confusing... are they dropping it altogether or just seasonally over the summer?

And I wonder if this could prompt JQ to consider tubopropos for New Zealand. There are an awful lot of high-traffic regional routes that NZ's monopoly is creaming. A few 70-seaters on, say, CHC-DUD/ZQN/IVC, WLG-DUD/HLZ/ZQN/NSN, AKL-NSN/PMR would be interesting. I'm not saying it's likely, but it could be justified given there's no QF Link in New Zealand.


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 101, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 14880 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 99):

I assumed that the OOL-ZQN route was not aimed at Queenslanders, but at Asian tourists who could arrive in OOL from Asia to do the Gold Coast experience, and then head straight to the NZ tourist spots without having to make any kind of transfer to BNE. Was that not the strategy? If so, I'm a bit surprised that it didn't work - unless they had trouble convincing the Asian package organsiers that this was a good itinerary.

no think it was aimed at BNE & OOL passengers, based on success of Air Asia OOL/KUL, dragging people form BNE to OOL, but it didn't work.

Maybe JQ didn't promote it enough (maybe they should have emailed all QF frequent flyers in SE Qld & northern NSW).

Know that for Qld school holidays in SEP 2011 they could not fill 2 aircraft a week & were dumping lots of seats into QF ff.


User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 14960 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 96):
Many people will fly QF/JQ over NZ/VA simply because of QF frequent flyer points.

Not always the case, VA Frequent Flyer program is growing rapidly and is eating into Qantas share of the Aussie Frequent Flyer Market.

Were as Qantas New Zealand base of customer is reducing by the day, and has been every since the day they introduced Jet star to NZ Domestic.

NZ/VA have the benefit of two way traffic on this route, with there alliance they are able to get a large base of passengers from both sides of the Tasman, don't forget that people from the lower South Island use ZQN to get to Aussie.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 14650 times:

''Cartel case: Air NZ price fixing "hurt consumers"'' NZ's bill hits $8 Million...

Air New Zealand will pay more than $8 million in penalties for its role in air cargo price fixing, offending which a High Court judge says hurt consumers and was at the "serious end of the spectrum."

The High Court ruled yesterday the agreed penalty of $7.5 million was appropriate but the airline - almost 74 per cent owned by the taxpayer - must pay court costs of $259,000 and $300,000 towards the Commerce Commission's investigation costs

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10890380

AND......

''Air NZ's Safe Air unit cuts 84 jobs in Blenheim''

Air New Zealand's aviation maintenance unit Safe Air plans to cut 84 jobs, or about 30 percent of its workforce, citing its struggle to attract new international contracts in the face of a high kiwi dollar, according to a union statement.

The airline confirmed Safe Air may cut about 80 jobs as some long-term contracts come to an end.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10890585



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14344 times:

''Ex-Air NZ boss heads India airline'' is it a good move...???

Gary Toomey, who was at the helm of Air New Zealand when it nearly collapsed in 2001, has a job heading India's second-biggest airline, Jet Airways. (rule joining Star Alliance out then)

Toomey is an Australian whose nine months at Air New Zealand coincided with the collapse of Ansett Australia - an ill-fated investment made before he took over - and the resulting near-collapse of this country's airline.

Before he quit Toomey said that buying Ansett was "the most stupid mistake we made" and his public criticism of Air New Zealand's major shareholders, Brierley Investments and Singapore Airlines, during the last round of restructuring negotiations made him unpopular.

Would this be why NZ and SQ don't see eye to eye??

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10890702



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently onlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14171 times:

What date will ZK-OXA be arriving in NZ and have her first commercial service? From memory it is sometime in June... Must be soon


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 106, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14179 times:

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 105):
http://www.planespotters.net/Product...20/5629,ZK-OXA-Air-New-Zealand.php

Delivered today, but apparently heading to the Paris Air Show first.. That's a week long so I'd say sometime the following week.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 301 posts, RR: 2
Reply 107, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14127 times:

Second QF heavy ex USA this week is coming into AKL Sunday morning. VH-OEJ operating as QF8 is due in around 0550 and will depart for BNE at approx 0650

User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2272 posts, RR: 25
Reply 108, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13946 times:
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Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 105):

OXA arrives in AKL next Friday, 21st June in the afternoon around 3pm.

NZ1


User currently offlineTheLifehouse From New Zealand, joined Feb 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13595 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 108):

Thanks for letting us know.

Do you know if ZK-OXA has been repainted into the new livery announced by Air NZ recently?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 110, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13507 times:

Quoting TheLifehouse (Reply 109):

No.


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Photo © Dn280




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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 111, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13490 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 104):
Would this be why NZ and SQ don't see eye to eye??

The reasons for the SQ/NZ relationship immolation are manifold and well documented but are summed up in one word - Ansett.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 106):
heading to the Paris Air Show first

Presumably in one of the two new liveries then. Great to see it will be getting some press at Le Bourget.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13091 times:

Quoting Palmyboy12 (Reply 51):

NZ has agreed to pay a record $7.5 million fine in airline cargo price-fixing scandal

I wonder how much they made from the price-fixing.

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 88):
What about Airnz Link???

I assume they will take their time with it. Most of the Link aircraft are (thankfully, IMO) still in the Pacific Wave scheme despite its phaseout having begun several years ago.

Quoting TheLifehouse (Reply 109):
Do you know if ZK-OXA has been repainted into the new livery announced by Air NZ recently?
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 111):
Presumably in one of the two new liveries then. Great to see it will be getting some press at Le Bourget.

Here she is earlier today.
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 108):
OXA arrives in AKL next Friday, 21st June in the afternoon around 3pm.

I might just go and watch it arrive. I assume the interior is identical to that of OAB/OJQ/OJR/OJS ?



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2745 posts, RR: 4
Reply 113, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13008 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 112):
Here she is earlier today.

Sigh. Imagine how she'd look resplendent in a spectacular teal, blue and green livery. Thanks Fyfe.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 114, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12881 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 113):

Sigh. Imagine how she'd look resplendent in a spectacular teal, blue and green livery. Thanks Fyfe.

Like a mini 763!



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineaotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12576 times:

ZK-OXA is enroute to Auckland.

On FR as ANZ 6399.
OXA Enroute to Akl


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12392 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 113):
Sigh. Imagine how she'd look resplendent in a spectacular teal, blue and green livery.

   That would be perfection.
Airbus did a video and some photos of the handover.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnWAQhOps24
http://bit.ly/14HIZ0i
http://bit.ly/14HJ18b
http://bit.ly/14HJ5Vz

Quoting aotearoa (Reply 115):
ZK-OXA is enroute to Auckland.

That was quick. Didn't even stay two days in Paris. Currently over Iran. The crew will spend the night in Muscat, Oman. Imagine how low the fuel burn must be at the moment; 39,000ft, sharklets and a very low ZFW.  Smile
Also, nothing to do with anything, but those watching the Airbus A350's first flight may have noticed the ex Air NZ 767-200 in the background (black tail).
http://bit.ly/14HIyTr
http://bit.ly/14HIB1G

[Edited 2013-06-18 05:37:46]

[Edited 2013-06-18 05:44:25]


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User currently offlineHLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12285 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 116):
Also, nothing to do with anything, but those watching the Airbus A350's first flight may have noticed the ex Air NZ 767-200 in the background (black tail).

Star Air freight have quite a few 762F from other operators too.
http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Star-Air



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 118, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12173 times:

Air NZ Premium Economy cabin wins at Skytrax Awards

Ahh the irony of the Spaceseat not going into the 787/772  http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8814...-slips-a-place-in-Skytrax-rankings

And they also slip a place in the world rankings.


(Of course, who really goes by Skytrax anyway)



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 119, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12058 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 118):
And they also slip a place in the world rankings.


(Of course, who really goes by Skytrax anyway)

Still a guide I guess, it's quite stink to see us slipping down the ladder for some years now. Hard to believe that we were considered one of the world's best only a few short years ago


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 120, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12008 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 119):
Still a guide I guess, it's quite stink to see us slipping down the ladder for some years now. Hard to believe that we were considered one of the world's best only a few short years ago

As a guide, I definitely won't be following something which ranks JQ ahead of BA. Who in their right mind would actually choose JQ over BA (on the Aust-SIN route as there's nothing else to compare the airlines on) if price didn't play much of a factor? Or did this become a 'best value for money' type ranking?



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 121, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11990 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 120):
Or did this become a 'best value for money' type ranking?

It probably is. EK got the #1 spot albeit not being by far the best in the opinion of many (10 abreast in Y, inconsistent cabin crew etc...) What I meant by 'as a guide' is the fact that we've been on a down ward trend in the past few years, hopefully this will prompt the higher ups in the company to look at what we can do to improve.

Yea this website can be taken with a pinch of salt, but I remember the airline releasing media statements about their ranking a few years ago when they made the top 5 (and have done so with this years Y+ ranking as well). So I hope they take the good with the bad and try improve the overall ranking for next year.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 122, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11988 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 121):
Yea this website can be taken with a pinch of salt, but I remember the airline releasing media statements about their ranking a few years ago when they made the top 5 (and have done so with this years Y+ ranking as well). So I hope they take the good with the bad and try improve the overall ranking for next year.

Because the airlines want to milk it for all it's worth and more... Look at Qatar.

Or look at Auckland Airport - running promotions for people to vote for the airport. Well at least they've made a start with 30 min free wifi....



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 123, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11965 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 122):
Or look at Auckland Airport - running promotions for people to vote for the airport. Well at least they've made a start with 30 min free wifi....

Bit useless though when you're on a plane on the tarmac for 25 mins after landing due to no gates being available  


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 124, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11856 times:

apart from seasonal route AKL/MCY what other trans-Tasman routes could be operated seasonally on a nonstop basis ?

Seems crazy that TSV now has no international flights. It's near mining centres (ie lots of $$$) & is about same size as CNS which has lots of international services including AKL/CNS 4 times a week with NZ A320's. Think it's about a 4 hour drive TSV to CNS.

Also why doesn't WLG have many nonstop to Australia ? Only seems to be BNE, SYD, MEL. What not OOL at least in summer ?

& why no WLG/NAN when FJ flies to smaller CHC if only once a week ?

ROT ? Only 2 SYD/ROT a week ?

& what about old Kiwi Air ports PMR & HLZ ?

Noticed NZ is operating CHC/PER twice a week in summer using 763's. Surely a PER/ADL/CHC could also work, but would probably be best if operated by VA.



[Edited 2013-06-19 00:44:21]

[Edited 2013-06-19 00:44:46]

[Edited 2013-06-19 00:47:13]

User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5216 posts, RR: 5
Reply 125, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11631 times:

Aerorobnz wrote in another thread........

This is gonna be in the fleet for NZ I reckon. 763/77E/77W/744 replaced by one 789/78X fleet = huge savings and hopefully a standardised product finally. I just wish they had the 788 as well.

If the NZ 789's are about 300-seats you would think there maybe a spot where a 242/250 seat 788 would work since it is not a big jump from the present 230-seat 763. There has to be some city pairs where 240 seats would work better than 300. Using IAH-AKL as an example, a 788 with a 34t payload would burn about 67t of fuel. A 789 "misused" on the same route same payload would burn 73.8t of fuel an additional cost of about $US6400.00


User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11606 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 125):
If the NZ 789's are about 300-seats you would think there maybe a spot where a 242/250 seat 788 would work since it is not a big jump from the present 230-seat 763. There has to be some city pairs where 240 seats would work better than 300. Using IAH-AKL as an example, a 788 with a 34t payload would burn about 67t of fuel. A 789 "misused" on the same route same payload would burn 73.8t of fuel an additional cost of about $US6400.00

NZ doesn't seem to mind the increase in seating capacity, example would be the 733 replacement they have gone from 133 seats to 171, yet on every domestic A320 flight ive been on recently they are packed as it allows them to do more entry level fares.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11603 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 126):
allows them to do more entry level fares.

Many routes do not have entry level fares (Grabaseat or Grabaseat + Bag) available for booking until mid morning. Early flights running on the A320 have 171 seats going out at mid and upper range fares.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 128, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11592 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 124):
Seems crazy that TSV now has no international flights. It's near mining centres (ie lots of $$$) & is about same size as CNS which has lots of international services including AKL/CNS 4 times a week with NZ A320's. Think it's about a 4 hour drive TSV to CNS.

NZ have flown to TSV in the past, guess it didn't work for them. Plus, many of the mining towns are a fly and drive from a major airport anyway, you may as well do this from BNE or CNS or SYD where there are a multitude of scheduled flights and airlines from New Zealand.

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 124):
& why no WLG/NAN when FJ flies to smaller CHC if only once a week ?

Maybe FJ will look at this again, they have flown to WLG in the past.

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 124):
& what about old Kiwi Air ports PMR & HLZ ?

Maybe with VA EMB's, all other craft have proved too large.



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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 2
Reply 129, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11522 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 124):
& why no WLG/NAN when FJ flies to smaller CHC if only once a week ?

A couple of points - CHC just overtook WLG in population prior to the earthquake, though it has dropped back a bit since then.

Second, NZ does operate WLG-NAN 2x weekly (and CHC-NAN 2x weekly) on a winter seasonal basis.

By the way, whatever happened to CHC-RAR? First all-year, then seasonal, then . . . nothing. Was it such a disaster? I find it hard to imagine that there is no demand considering the number of AKL-RAR flights, many of which are served with wide bodies. Even SYD now gets a year-round service to RAR.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 130, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11496 times:

How has the Phuket grabaseat debacle turned out?

Last I heard, the aircraft had already been downgauged by 2 sizes and the tickets were still not selling. People didn't seem that keen on Phuket during the rainy season.


User currently onlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11481 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 130):
How has the Phuket grabaseat debacle turned out?

Last I heard, the aircraft had already been downgauged by 2 sizes and the tickets were still not selling. People didn't seem that keen on Phuket during the rainy season.

From grabaseat website it looks like a sellout. None left in Business and only a few in both Premium Economy and Economy. Has it been upgraded to 747 again?


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 132, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days ago) and read 11467 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 128):
NZ have flown to TSV in the past, guess it didn't work for them. Plus, many of the mining towns are a fly and drive from a major airport anyway, you may as well do this from BNE or CNS or SYD where there are a multitude of scheduled flights and airlines from New Zealand.

Apparently a lot of FIFO from TSV to places like ISA.

Didn't realise there were WLG/NAN nonstops. You'd think they would operate year round, especially in busy December to January.

Was told by a wholesaler than Fiji is booming from Australia & New Zealand ends, but not from U.S. end, meaning lots of empty seats NAN-LAX-NAN even in peak season, when FJ used to be cheaper way to get to LAX. Perhaps with smaller Airbus 332s they don't have so many seats to sell cheaply.

Think NZ codeshares on FJ's NAN-LAX services or at least they don't on the 747s.

Doesn't NZ own a smaller % of FJ ?

[Edited 2013-06-19 18:36:12]

User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 6
Reply 133, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11387 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 35):
They are my airline of choice for longhaul Y+ and Y travel. Their Business I haven't tried yet, but it certainly won't be bad given that the amentity kits in Y are better than the Biz amenties on NZ....

I never understood why people are raving about TK. I was on TK's A330-200 (TC-JND) in J from PEK to IST, and it was easily the worst J experience ever! The only saving grace were the friendly crew, but seats were so worn that I needed a blanket under my behind, everything looked dirty (seats, overhead bins, walls), and the food was abysmal. Admittedly, that was in 2009, but I am not sure if that much has changed? Or was it just a one-off bad experience? My other flights with TK were short haul, and on par with many European carriers, but still not as good as some (LH, BA, AY, etc.).

I agree though that IST is a fab airport, and that the lounge is great. Would happily go through that again  

Just my 2 cents
micha


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 134, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11383 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 133):
I never understood why people are raving about TK. I was on TK's A330-200 (TC-JND) in J from PEK to IST, and it was easily the worst J experience ever! The only saving grace were the friendly crew, but seats were so worn that I needed a blanket under my behind, everything looked dirty (seats, overhead bins, walls), and the food was abysmal.

Wow.. My friend just flew it IST-KUL last month and had the complete opposite soft product experience - the service was average but the food was excellent. It seems that their failure to retrofit the old A330s and A340s with newer seats has let them down.



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User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11267 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 124):
& why no WLG/NAN when FJ flies to smaller CHC if only once a week ?

CHC and WLG are very similar sized but when you add in catchment areas CHC has basically most of the South Island that makes CHC a more popular choice for airlines .



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4287 posts, RR: 52
Reply 136, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11141 times:

WLG closed due to winds. I'm in Hataitai overlooking the airport and we've had winds over 150 kmh with at least three windows out, debris in the house, and parts of our roof flying off. Winds of 130 forecast for AKL tonight and tomorrow too.


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 137, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11121 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 136):
WLG closed due to winds. I'm in Hataitai overlooking the airport and we've had winds over 150 kmh with at least three windows out, debris in the house, and parts of our roof flying off.

Doesn't sound good at all.. Hope you haven't lost anything. Stay warm!

Quoting texan (Reply 136):
Winds of 130 forecast for AKL tonight and tomorrow too.

A little kinder up here as it's a westerly so the crosswind factor shouldn't be too great, one would hope.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 138, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11019 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 133):
I never understood why people are raving about TK

I select only the 77W services - usually because I like their Comfort class, but I have flown Y on the 77W too. That is why I enjoy them. I also liked the salmon fillet I had from IST-TLS in Y and the seats were nice and new on TC-JPT/A320 as well. If truth be told I know to avoid the older 332/343 services via PEK & BKK. and only opt for LAX/HKG.

However QR to me are inferior to them in IFE/Food/Terminal facilities for plebs(maybe not F/J). I was surprised that DOH was such a s**thole (CAI was better) In fact they are inferior to most airlines I have flown. Far more overrated than any other airline I know. The food on both service I flew this week was below par (AR standard below par). I rate them below EK/RJ/QF/NZ/TK/LH/KL/LA/VA. I am very disappointed - even though I had a brand spanking 77W aircraft from DOH-BKK. The IFE is well below EK/NZ/TK in standard. It really shows me that skytrax are just B.S and shouldn't be treated as highly as airlines treat them.


User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10901 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 136):
WLG closed due to winds. I'm in Hataitai overlooking the airport and we've had winds over 150 kmh with at least three windows out, debris in the house, and parts of our roof flying off. Winds of 130 forecast for AKL tonight and tomorrow too.

Not surprising!! I just had a peek at the METARs from last night:

NZWN 200900Z 19048G63KT 2000 +RA SCT014 BKN019 OVC060 07/06 Q0983 WS R16 BECMG 9999 -RA TEMPO 3000 +RAGS BKN006
NZWN 200800Z 20055G69KT 0800 +RA SCT014 BKN019 OVC060 07/06 Q0980 WS R16 TEMPO 3000 +RAGS BKN006
NZWN 200700Z 21054G73KT 0800 +RA SCT014 BKN019 OVC060 07/06 Q0977 WS R16 TEMPO 9999 -RA TEMPO 3000 +RAGS BKN006
NZWN 200600Z 24035G50KT 200V270 3000 +RA SCT014 BKN019 OVC060 06/05 Q0982 WS R16 TEMPO 19045G60KT 9999 -RA TEMPO +RAGS BKN006
NZWN 200540Z 23042G58KT 190V250 3000 +RA SCT014 BKN019 OVC060 07/06 Q0981 WS R16 TEMPO 9999 -RA TEMPO +RAGS BKN006
NZWN 200525Z 22051G63KT 1000 +RA SCT014 BKN019 OVC025 07/07 Q0979 WS R16 BECMG 9999 -RA TEMPO 3000 +RAGS BKN006
NZWN 200500Z 23038G48KT 9999 -RA SCT014 BKN019 OVC025 09/07 Q0980 WS R16 TEMPO 3000 +RA BKN006

Glad here in Europe we only have to deal with the summer thunderstorms at the moment.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 140, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10869 times:

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 139):

Wee bit of cross-wind there last night in the early evening   Closed early this morning too, not gonna be fun clearing that backlog on a Friday


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 6
Reply 141, posted (1 year 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 10733 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 138):
I select only the 77W services - usually because I like their Comfort class

Yeah, I heard that Y Comfort is supposed to be really good on TK! I only got on them because it was on UA award miles, and all other options to Germany were unavailable that day (I was booked on PEK-MUC on CA and on to CGN with LH, but there was a last minute schedule change on the LH leg, and there was no connection in MUC that evening, so they routed me PEK-IST-CGN instead).

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 142, posted (1 year 6 months 22 hours ago) and read 10730 times:

ZK-OXA is over the Tasman, seemingly due in before 6pm. It's flying at over 600kt - what a tailwind!

I suppose its first flight will be on Monday? Any chance of it being visible (not in the hangars) over the weekend?



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 143, posted (1 year 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 10653 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 142):
Any chance of it being visible (not in the hangars) over the weekend?

I reckon it will be on L70/71/72 for a while if it is staying here. It's a pity it couldn't pop by here in SYD to pick up a few of us disrupt passengers...SYD is fairly disrupted. today NZ101/NZ704/NZ718 & NZ108 are all running behind. NZ718 3h & 10 min currently


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 6 months 15 hours ago) and read 10487 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 142):
ZK-OXA is over the Tasman, seemingly due in before 6pm. It's flying at over 600kt - what a tailwind!

It did a circle over the Tasman at 39,000ft while NZ136 BNE-AKL was doing 637kts and still climbing at about 1,400ft/min. Seemed like they were trying to close the gap between them.

Did ZK-OXA not have an HF radio for the delivery flight? It was never far from land for the entire journey until the Tasman.

PA515


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 145, posted (1 year 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 10451 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 144):
It did a circle over the Tasman at 39,000ft while NZ136 BNE-AKL was doing 637kts and still climbing at about 1,400ft/min. Seemed like they were trying to close the gap between them.

Yeah that was interesting.. I suppose being close to the 772 was the reason for it?



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 146, posted (1 year 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 10438 times:

Watched the most beautiful departure out of WLG this evening/late afternoon. Sun waining, NZ A320 taking off into the extraordinary southerly and it appeared to levitate off the runway in an inexplicably short few football fields, and then ascend almost directly above the runway before banking to the right. Science and magic.


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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 147, posted (1 year 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 10424 times:

Just a thought, is there any likelihood the SQ and NZ interests and increasing stakes in VA are heading to an AN like stand-off? Are they heading toward some corporate knife-fight turf-war again over Australia? Of course I'm not suggesting VA is heading in the direction of AN but what are your thoughts? And then there's EY as well.


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User currently offlineSXI899 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2008, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 144):
Did ZK-OXA not have an HF radio for the delivery flight? It was never far from land for the entire journey until the Tasman.

To my knowledge there is no permanent HF installation, but they may have fitted a temporary one for the delivery (as for the ATRs).
If not, outside of VHF range they'd have to communicate via relays. That said, between Brisbane and Auckland there should be fairly decent VHF coverage at 39,000ft due to Lord Howe and Norfolk Islands, with only a couple of gaps.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 149, posted (1 year 6 months 13 hours ago) and read 10394 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 147):
And then there's EY as well.

It is the EY share that SQ are trying to inhibit from increasing - EY is the enemy as far as SQ is concerned. The stand off is not between NZ & SQ any more, I think NZ would quite like EY to make an offer when the NZ Govt sell a few shares.

Think I saw OXA outside the main jet hangar as I landed just before10pm


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 150, posted (1 year 6 months ago) and read 10184 times:

I see that zkojc is first intl aircraft in black n white like ojq.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 151, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10180 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 149):
Think I saw OXA outside the main jet hangar as I landed just before10pm

No sign of it today on the tarmac.. There was one area closed in the main hangar so maybe it's hiding in there..



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User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 637 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10168 times:

Anyone know what is going on with Gate 16 at WLG, last couple of times ive been there the sky bridges has be removed?

User currently onlineaussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1757 posts, RR: 9
Reply 153, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10156 times:
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Anyone know what aircraft is being repainted next if any and also can someone tell me where the recent ones have been repainted, Is it Auckland or somewhere else?

Thanks


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 154, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10151 times:

Quoting aussie18 (Reply 153):
can someone tell me where the recent ones have been repainted, Is it Auckland or somewhere else?

The narrowbody maintenance base and paintshop is in CHC.



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User currently onlineaussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1757 posts, RR: 9
Reply 155, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10137 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 154):
The narrowbody maintenance base and paintshop is in CHC.

Thanks for that.


User currently offlineaotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

ZK OXA, and all the remaining nine domestic A320s do not have HF radio fitted. This is the reason OXA was delivered via the East and not via the traditional A320 delivery route over the Atlantic, USA and Pacific. This allows continuos VHF communication except for a 30 min gap from mid Tasman until 250nm from NZ.

The short diversion off track was to allow the flight to remain close to the B777 (NZ136) so that the 777 could relay the position report at the oceanic boundary mid Tasman.

Expect to see all the remaining A320 flights from TLS to partner up with another NZ flight ex BNE or CNS for the final leg CNS to New Zealand (AKL or CHC, depending on where the a/c is inducted). Kind of cute......


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 157, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9771 times:

Here's ZK-OXA from this morning; in the hangars:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5328/9113037398_026cd39706_c.jpg
Air New Zealand Airbus A320-200 Sharklets by ANZ787900, on Flickr



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User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2272 posts, RR: 25
Reply 158, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9368 times:
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For those interested, OXA will fly it's first scheduled service next Monday 1st July as NZ407 to WLG.

Rgds
NZ1


User currently onlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9305 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 158):
For those interested, OXA will fly it's first scheduled service next Monday 1st July as NZ407 to WLG.

Thanks for that! By any chance do you have the schedule for the rest of 1 July?
I have AKL-WLG-AKL booked for next Monday and hoping i might get the new bird on its first day of operations

Cheers



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 160, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 159):
Thanks for that! By any chance do you have the schedule for the rest of 1 July?

It does one AKL-WLG-AKL on the first, just to ease it into service. Then an AKL-CHC-AKL on the second.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 161, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8697 times:

I see ZK-OJA operating NZ768 from MCY today, is this the first flight of the season.

Flew AKL-NRT-AKL in the last couple of weeks on the 763, AKL-NRT was barely more than 50% load, NRT-AKL was probably around 70%. Gotta love the 763 though!!! I see the 763s still ops AKL-NRT in the summer despite KIX going.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 162, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8622 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 161):
I see ZK-OJA operating NZ768 from MCY today, is this the first flight of the season.

No, There have been at least 2, possibly more since they started. Good loads too.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 161):
Flew AKL-NRT-AKL in the last couple of weeks on the 763, AKL-NRT was barely more than 50% load, NRT-AKL was probably around 70%. Gotta love the 763 though!!! I see the 763s still ops AKL-NRT in the summer despite KIX going.

It's probably a bit much for me a flight of that length, I think it's Business Class who suffers most though. . That said I did fly a KLM MD11 on the same length flight which is not so up to date as the 763...


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 163, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8411 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 162):

Well the KL M11 Y is just like being in an NZ 772 - perfectly fine I think (even looks the same). Just that the 763 has the advantage of 2-3-2 over 3-3-3 in the M11.

Having done countless hours (120+) in the horrible fixed shell seat of CX, most normal economy seats seem perfectly fine..



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 164, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 162):
It's probably a bit much for me a flight of that length, I think it's Business Class who suffers most though.

That is I guess the biggest problem for NZ the use of a mix of the 772 and 763 to NRT and PVG, NRT seems worse in that aircraft seem to change from a 772 to a 763 quite late on. J class looked to have had several of the 24 seats unoccupied on the way up, where as it looked to have been quite full on the way back.

I must say I did enjoy the 763, I'm 6"3 and leg room was fine, though i'm not very wide.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 162):
No, There have been at least 2, possibly more since they started. Good loads too.

Copy. Hows DPS doing?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7388 posts, RR: 16
Reply 165, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8335 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 164):
Copy. Hows DPS doing?

Fairly good. It's patchy though - changes flight to flight - some chocka, some not so full. But in general I'd say doing ok.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 163):
Having done countless hours (120+) in the horrible fixed shell seat of CX, most normal economy seats seem perfectly fine..

would those be on the 333 I flew HKG-SYD on Friday night? The aircraft had 2-3-2 PE too. I thought the seats were quite reasonable but they didn't look like fixed shell as they reclined normally.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 164):
I must say I did enjoy the 763

I need to still fly a couple of the 763s in the fleet before I have flown them all, maybe I will route myself in August through PVG just to try and tick them off on my flight log.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 166, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8355 times:

''Air New Zealand sends 787 to Singapore, Tokyo'' OK when did NZ return to SIN? wish the media would get it right...!

Air New Zealand reveals Boeing 787 routes, seating !!!

Air New Zealand has unveiled the list of destinations its new fleet of Boeing 787-9 aircraft will fly to,

1. Shanghai,
2. Tokyo,
3. Perth,
4. Honolulu
5. Papeete

The airline’s chief executive Christopher Luxon said the aircraft will be a real “game changer”, with flexible fuel efficiency and modern upgrades to its three four cabin classes.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zeal...s-boeing-787-launch-routes-seating

http://www.etravelblackboardasia.com/article/91937