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Australian Aviation Thread # 74  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 682 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 25179 times:

G'day and welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 74. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Emirates expresses concern at Perth Airport's lackluster airport infrastructure
* Qantas A330 operations
* Brisbane and Perth Airports - birds eye view
* Rydges Sydney Airport Hotel opens, directly opposite the International Terminal
* Air Niugini leases an Icelandair 757 (which will be operated to Brisbane)
* QantasLink 717s
* Qantas and Emirates agreement
* Rumours about Qantas leasing Emirates aircraft
* Jetstar announces it will take delivery of its first 787 in September
* Qantas 747 operations
* Melbourne Airport masterplan released
* Clive Palmer's new jet revealed with a rather 'Aussie' livery
* Virgin Australia's 737-700s
* Slow progress on construction work at Perth Airport
* Multiple flight diversions to Brisbane & Melbourne Airports due three consecutive days of fog in SYD
* Qantas announces an upgrade of its Perth terminal and facilities
* Possible walk-out by contracted security staff at Perth Airport
* First details on rego for first batch of JQ 787s and Qantas Freight 747-400ERF
* Philippine Airlines returns to Brisbane after a 2 year hiatus
* Turkish Airlines announces further plans regarding their intentions to fly to Sydney in 2014

Australian Aviation Thread # 73

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 25234 times:

QantasLink announces further flight increases from Brisbane (no surprises here!)

Quote:
QantasLink upgrades and improves services on Queensland routes

QantasLink today announced it will deploy larger aircraft and put on additional services on key routes in Queensland from 1 July, meeting the strong demand from Queensland communities and corporate customers.

The announcement includes:

Six additional return flights between Roma and Brisbane per week, increasing the number of seats on this route by 372 seats to 3174 seats.

Key services between Bundaberg and Brisbane upgraded to the faster, larger Q400 74 seat aircraft, which will add 144 seats per week.

An extra return flight between Longreach and Brisbane on Thursday’s, serviced by a Q300 50 seat aircraft, adding 100 seats per week.


QantasLink Executive Manager John Gissing said he was delighted QantasLink is increasing capacity and deploying larger aircraft in Bundaberg, Longreach and Roma.

Continues...

Source

And while on the regional carrier front, some news from Skytrans...

Quote:
THE boss of regional airline Skytrans, which is cutting about 20 staff and has sold three aircraft, remains committed to Cairns as its headquarters and to the 180 staff in the city.

Managing director Simon Wild told The Cairns Post that most of the cutbacks involved 70 staff in Brisbane.

He said the airline was looking for new business as mining charters and State Government work dropped.

The airline has sold three Dash 8 aircraft surplus to its needs for $15 million and is looking to cut about six staff in Cairns and 14 in Brisbane, mainly pilots and flight crews.

Continues...

Source


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 24869 times:

Jetstar has announced details of the B787:

335 seats 21 biz and 314 economy with Panasonic eX2 in seat inflight entertainment system:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/jetstar-deta...g-335-seats-usb-power-touchscreens

First flights will be in November, all A330s replaced by 2015:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/jetstar-to-b...gin-boeing-787-flights-in-november

Thanks


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2059 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 24812 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 2):
Jetstar has announced details of the B787:

335 seats 21 biz and 314 economy with Panasonic eX2 in seat inflight entertainment system:

I'm personally happy with a 3x3x3 economy configuration. My small family will get to sit together and I get the window instead of being split up or having to sit in the middle row as is currently the case in the A330. Seatback entertainment is also good. Pity no lie flat business seats as they would be nice for the overnight Japan return flights.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 24617 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 2):
Jetstar has announced details of the B787:

335 seats 21 biz and 314 economy with Panasonic eX2 in seat inflight entertainment system:

http://australianaviation.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/IMG_1181.jpg

Due To Be Delivered September 2013

EK8413



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 24285 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 2):
335 seats 21 biz and 314 economy

That is a tight configuration. Compare it to Norwegian, which is another low cost carrier, they have 32 premium economy seats (also in 2-3-2) config, but only 259 Y seats, and people commented on that being tight. So, with a slightly larger premium cabin (1 and a half rows more), they have more than 50 less Y-class seats.

Thompson, another tight configuration airline, has 291 total seats as well. They have more premium seats (49), but those are in 2-3-2 with only 38 inches in pitch, so I'd expect Jetstar premium to be a bit spacier.

So, overall, Jetstar has 44 seats more than the other 2 low-cost airlines, with really just a marginally smaller premium cabin (at least that of Norwegian).

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 24282 times:

Edit function doesn't seem to be working.

Just saw that JQ premium class will have a seat pitch of 38" (like Thompson), while Norwegian has seat pitch of 46" in premium, so that might explain most of the seat count increase, but still, going to be cramped!

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 23943 times:

http://www.businessday.com.au/busine...ent-flyer-fall-20130605-2npb3.html

An interesting article quoting Tim Clark on the impact of the EK/QF alliance on EK. Apparently there has been a slowing in growth of EK's loyalty scheme in Australia which is the main casualty of the QF alliance. But apart from that he's happy.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 23921 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 9):

From that article, it is interesting to note that Clark blames no A380 service to PER on increasing competition from QR and SQ, and not on the lacking infrastructure! Perhaps a sign that EK will not bring the A380 immediately even if infrastructure was up to date (and perhaps the reason PER has delayed it).

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 23771 times:

http://www.businessday.com.au/busine...ent-flyer-fall-20130605-2npb3.html

I found this to be an interesting article today especially in relation to a slowdown in growth at Emirates awards scheme which they attribute to the Qantas relationship.


User currently offlineshnoob940 From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23628 times:

Does anyone know why VH-FVX operating VA642 to Canberra left gate 31 in Sydney and returned shortly afterwards today? The aircraft sat for two hours with engineers surrounding it.

gibbo



A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 A388 733 734 735 737 738 739 743 744 762 763 773 788 E170 E190 Q400
User currently offlineA36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23456 times:

Really really looking forward to seeing the 787 in Australia. IMHO the Qantas livery on the 787 is gonna ROCK!! That and BA will be mighty fine looking aircraft.  

User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 22910 times:

Now this is really interesting. Who bought 5% of VA yesterday? If it was EY they didn't waste any time. If it was SQ or NZ, a takeover bid would be imminent.

http://www.4-traders.com/VIRGIN-AUST...Heavily-Traded-in-Sydney-17003988/


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2059 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 22641 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 14):
Who bought 5% of VA yesterday?

According to the Sydney Morning Herald it was NZ.

Quote:
Air New Zealand is increasing its stake in Virgin Australia, but says it has no intention of taking control of the airline.

Air New Zealand intends to take a further three per cent interest in Virgin Australia, raising its ownership level to 22.99 per cent.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 22627 times:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2824/8953979236_185095048d_b.jpg
Jetstar 787 by Jetstar Airways, on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3725/8954337978_84c892f5af_b.jpg
Boeing Everett factory tour by Jetstar Airways, on Flickr

And it will get their normal livery.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8419/8755920577_a1826b2744_b.jpg
Jetstar & Boeing 787 event by Jetstar Airways, on Flickr

EK8413

[Edited 2013-06-05 17:22:07]


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25170 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 22590 times:
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Quoting allrite (Reply 15):
According to the Sydney Morning Herald it was NZ.

Quote:
Air New Zealand is increasing its stake in Virgin Australia, but says it has no intention of taking control of the airline.

And Air NZ may go to 26%:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10888772

"Air New Zealand has agreed to lift its holding in Virgin Australia to about 23 percent from 19.99 percent in a series of off-market transactions and indicated it may seek to hold as much as 26 percent."

At that point, Air NZ and Singapore would own about 46%. I suggested they should jointly take control (despite the spectre of Ansett) and screw it, just do it.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22275 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):

Great photos -- can't wait!

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 7):

Interesting comparison. Makes me wonder whether DY has been a bit optimistic with their 259 seat configuration, given that JQ has a very good idea for how to make the LCC model work on mid-long haul. Time will tell...


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 22177 times:

Etihad CEO James Hogan has provided some details about their first A380 and B787 plans. EY will take delivery of their first A380 and B787 aircraft in late 2014.

- A380 will feature a three-class cabin configuration
- B787 will be in two configurations with two and three classes
- A380 is intended to operate to LHR, JFK, SYD & MEL
- B787 routes will be announced later

Source: http://centreforaviation.com/news/ia...te-2014-235281

Sydney and Melbourne was expected as A380 destinations  

EK8413



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User currently offlineSYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22125 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 15):
At that point, Air NZ and Singapore would own about 46%. I suggested they should jointly take control (despite the spectre of Ansett) and screw it, just do it.

What are the rules surrounding foreign ownership limits on VA? I know VA did a bit of a corporate restructure to alleviate some of the foreign ownership limits, but surely NZ and SQ wouldn't be allowed to own 100% of VA ?  



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25170 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22066 times:
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Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 18):
What are the rules surrounding foreign ownership limits on VA? I know VA did a bit of a corporate restructure to alleviate some of the foreign ownership limits, but surely NZ and SQ wouldn't be allowed to own 100% of VA ?  

I doubt they would need to own 100% and the separate foreign owners already own more than 50% - Air NZ 23%, Singapore 19% and Etihad 10% plus the rump Branson/Virgin holding - 12%? SMH says 22% but I thought it had gone down with the SQ buy.

I disagree with one or two of the conclusions in this article - I don't think it is entirely a defensive move by Air NZ - but it suggests some form of alliance rather than a take-over. Well, maybe:

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/...ion/dont-expect-tussle-over-virgin

It would be easy to see the movements on the Virgin Australia register as presaging an eventual contest for control between Singapore Airlines and Air NZ. While that can’t be completely ruled out it isn’t, however, the most likely rationale for Air NZ’s move. Its actions appear more defensive than offensive.

While Singapore might well like to control Virgin Australia, which has essentially inherited Ansett’s share of the Australian market, Air NZ clearly wants a major seat at the table to protect its own interest in maintaining access to the Australian market.

The lack of significant competing interests between Singapore Airlines and Air NZ would suggest, once they felt they had protected their own strategic interests in having a level of influence over Virgin to support their alliances, that they were more likely to co-operate than engage in a potentially destructive contest for control.

A tripartite alliance between Singapore Airlines, Air NZ and Virgin Australia – anchored in the joint interests in Virgin Australia, would seem to make some sense, particularly given the recent Qantas/Emirates alliance.


Given the above, it's Interesting that Etihad today suggested it doesn't want to increase its holding at this time.

mariner

[Edited 2013-06-06 03:21:52]


aeternum nauta
User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22063 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 19):
Interesting that Etihad today suggested it doesn't want to increase its holding

To be honest, I think that it's become clear over the past 12 months that Etihad is the awkward third wheel in this relationship. In the longterm I could quite easily see that particular partnership be quietly dismantled.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25170 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22044 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 20):
To be honest, I think that it's become clear over the past 12 months that Etihad is the awkward third wheel in this relationship. In the longterm I could quite easily see that particular partnership be quietly dismantled.

Mayhap. CEO Hogan suggested today it was because they saw more immediate potential return in their Jet Airways holding - which is a wee bit of a change of tune from him.

It's in The Australian but it's subscription, so I haven't linked.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22041 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
CEO Hogan suggested today it was because they saw more immediate potential return in their Jet Airways holding - which is a wee bit of a change of tune from him.

I don't doubt you, and on the short term I'm sure that EY are still committed but I was thinking more about the 2020 timeframe



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25170 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22024 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 22):
I don't doubt you, and on the short term I'm sure that EY are still committed but I was thinking more about the 2020 timeframe

That may be about right.

Etihad went on a bit of a buying spree - holdings in five airlines? I suspect they are starting to focus now and the priorities may have shifted, with Jet Airways (24%?) as the leader of the pack.

mariner

[Edited 2013-06-06 03:32:23]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 22014 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
Mayhap. CEO Hogan suggested today it was because they saw more immediate potential return in their Jet Airways holding - which is a wee bit of a change of tune from him.

That's probably because he knows he has missed the boat. Whatever he does, he will now always behind NZ/SQ. Perhaps VA is nearing Star Alliance after all.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 22219 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 23):
Etihad went on a bit of a buying spree - holdings in five airlines? I suspect they are starting to focus now and the priorities may have shifted, with Jet Airways (24%?) as the leader of the pack.

What about AB? Curious if there is any light at the end of the tunnel for AB.

EK8413



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25170 posts, RR: 85
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 22213 times:
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Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
What about AB? Curious if there is any light at the end of the tunnel for AB.

Dunno.

He's got a lot of balls in the air, as the actress said to the bishop - 29% of Air Berlin and I've no idea what he'll do about Aer Lingus (3%) if Ryanair is forced to to sell - Hogan says he is "happy to discuss it" with Ryanair.

Willie Walsh has stuck his oar in and said Aer Lingus would be better off with Ryanair - LOL.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ir-says-willie-walsh-29314956.html

Aer Lingus better off being owned by Ryanair, says Willie Walsh

"If somebody thought Etihad is a better shareholder than Ryanair, I'd love for them to explain why and how that would be the case," Mr Walsh told the Irish Independent.

"I see it as quite the opposite. Ryanair wants Ireland and, whatever you say about Michael O'Leary, he's proud to be an Irishman, lives here and has created one of the most valuable airlines in the world.How is that less attractive to Ireland than Abu Dhabi?"


Perhaps this recent change in circumstances at Aer Lingus has caused a decrease in his interest in Virgin Australia?

mariner

[Edited 2013-06-06 03:56:22]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 22413 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 26):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
What about AB? Curious if there is any light at the end of the tunnel for AB.

Dunno.

He's got a lot of balls in the air, as the actress said to the bishop - 29% of Air Berlin and I've no idea what he'll do about Aer Lingus (3%) if Ryanair is forced to to sell - Hogan says he is "happy to discuss it" with Ryanair.

You got that right. Seems as though EY have gone on a shopping spree & didn't do their homework. Far to much money and than sense.

EK8413



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22072 times:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austr...sydney-perth-a330-only-on-weekdays

VA will go all-A330 on weekday PER-SYD flights in October.

From the article, it says this will made possible by Virgin's purchase of a 7th A330. Now, this is what confuses me. I wasn't aware of any more A330's purchased, and according to Airbus' order and delivery spreadsheet, Virgin don't have any on order (but it was also showing that they never had any on order just 6 in operation, so I'm guessing any order for them would be shown under the company they lease from).

So, are they expecting another A330 from CIT (or another lessor), and will it be a new-build? When is it going to be delivered?

Also, an additional A330 should give more capacity than just making that last 737 service an A330 (only one departure each way), where else will they use it? Capacity on MEL-SYD perhaps? One Asian destination?

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 21894 times:

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 18):

There is nothing to stop NZ, SQ and EY sharing 100% of VA amongst themselves. In fact it is quite likely and there are significant savings to be had from delisting . The structure of the separated Int'l and domestic divisions has already made this possible and the stock is fairly lightly traded with many small holders willing sellers having been gifted unmarketable parcels of shares by Toll several years ago.

Already there is significant speculation that the 3 airlines are already working on a power sharing arrangement. Borghetti would remain CEO with a much surer supply of capital as well as the need for short-term gains removed as the airlines would be more patient that the stock market . The interesting times continue.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 21464 times:

I didn't see the need to start a new thread so thought I'll bring this up. Qantas accepted delivery of A332 VH-EBS not to long ago and whilst browsing the photos I noticed (photographer too) the Airbus A330 titles are displayed by door 2 opposed to aft the wing. Safe to say this was an error???


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Photo © Darren Koch

EK8413



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20788 times:

Australian Aviation has gone a little quiet so thought I'll share a photo of diversions at BNE due to fog in SYD 28th May 2013.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/wezza/965240_532345106822885_448576770_o_zpsa6ba28b1.jpg
Pic by Adam @ YBBN Spotters Group on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...865.436699993054064&type=1&theater

EK8413



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User currently offlineA36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20682 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 30):

I think it looks better just aft of the wing. It's a little cluttered where that is now. And also, how many Qantas airplanes has the Airbus paint shop painted? Surely they would of remembered or at least thought "somethings different".  

Bring on the QF/JQ B787!


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20521 times:

Quoting A36001 (Reply 32):
I think it looks better just aft of the wing. It's a little cluttered where that is now. And also, how many Qantas airplanes has the Airbus paint shop painted? Surely they would of remembered or at least thought "somethings different".

Certainly looks awkward in the new spot if you ask my opinion.

BEFORE


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Photo © Ken Chen



AFTER


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Photo © Darren Koch



Now had they applied titles similar to EK I wouldn't be complaining.


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Photo © Gustavo Bertran - Iberian Spotters



The recently delivered A332 VH-EBS and many more to follow will be repainted in MNL.

EK8413



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User currently offlineA36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20451 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 33):

Really?   I've never really been a fan of Emirates putting the aircraft model in bold on the nose..... 

OMG is anyone watching SBS1? Remote control crash of a B727! Very very interesting...almost astounding! By the looks of the cabin after impact, I'm glad I don't travel in the pointy end!


User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19898 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 31):
Pic by Adam @ YBBN Spotters Group on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...865.436699993054064&type=1&theater

Thanks for Sharing my group.  

L.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19807 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 35):
Thanks for Sharing my group.

Your welcome. Perhaps I should've asked for your permission but that's why I included the link  EK8413



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User currently offlineBoof From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19487 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 30):
I didn't see the need to start a new thread so thought I'll bring this up. Qantas accepted delivery of A332 VH-EBS not to long ago and whilst browsing the photos I noticed (photographer too) the Airbus A330 titles are displayed by door 2 opposed to aft the wing. Safe to say this was an error???

This is just a guess but I'd say this isn't a mistake and was meant to be like this.

Given how much VA market the fact that Coast to Coast services are on A330's, and that QF are ramping up services to/from the west with A330's, I would guess that QF have moved the aircraft type next to door 2 so that when boarding from the jetbridge passengers notice the aircraft type.

It's a little way of saying "hey we have them too!" and if you believe what has been said the QF interior will be better than VA's in the coming future so perhaps this is the start of a marketing and brand recognition campaign around the A330 service?

Cheers,

Boof.



If only B6 flew in Australia...
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19417 times:

Quoting Boof (Reply 37):
Given how much VA market the fact that Coast to Coast services are on A330's, and that QF are ramping up services to/from the west with A330's, I would guess that QF have moved the aircraft type next to door 2 so that when boarding from the jetbridge passengers notice the aircraft type.

Valid point & you might be right on the mark. Marketing the East - West A330 services probably in the pipeline and this is just beginning of what's to come.

EK8413



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 20
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19332 times:

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/o...em-in/story-e6frfq80-1226662257623

I've also seen some rather large pax in my time but hadn't really considered this in the context of a regional airline with more limited flying schedules.

Having said that, is it really discriminating to say to over-weight people that an airline literally cannot fit them into a flight? I wouldn't have thought so.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 19221 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 39):
I've also seen some rather large pax in my time but hadn't really considered this in the context of a regional airline with more limited flying schedules.

Having said that, is it really discriminating to say to over-weight people that an airline literally cannot fit them into a flight? I wouldn't have thought so

Its a tricky one, what is even more tricky is in the context of wheelchair customers who are overweight - where airline staff are expected to lift them into their seats and on regional aircraft or narrowbody aircraft this usually means without the assistance of a mechanical aid!


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 19190 times:

I was on a Skywest Flight (F50) from GET to PER last year, and there was a seriously overweight miner (maybe not miner, but obviously a FIFO worker of some kind), he was big and tall. There was physically no way the lady with the seat next to him could sit. Not saying it would be uncomfortable, but physically couldn't. Luckily, there was one spare seat on the plane, and she could move there. I don't know what they would have done if that seat had been booked. The miner did however seem a bit worried as the flight was filling up, almost like he had been offloaded before.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 19153 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 30):
Safe to say this was an error???

It certainly looks strange. I guess we'll find out if it was deliberate when the next JQ plane gets repainted.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 33):
EK8413

Sorry to go so wildly off course, but what's with the new signature?

Quoting Boof (Reply 37):

Sounds plausible, except for the fact that it'll be virtually impossible to see the aircraft type in this position whenever there's a bridge attached to D2, both from the bridge and from the terminal (except in some unusual cases where the plane is parked alongside/on an angle to the terminal).

Quoting sydscott (Reply 39):
Having said that, is it really discriminating to say to over-weight people that an airline literally cannot fit them into a flight? I wouldn't have thought so

I agree, but the airlines need to do more to make the necessary information clear in the booking process rather than burying it elsewhere on their website or relying on PR statements and assuming that the public is aware.

Ideally, I'd like to see a note somewhere in the booking process (perhaps in the same step as the Terms of Carriage), which indicates the size of the seats and recommends the best course of action for larger passengers. The major issue is that many passengers just aren't aware of the problems they might cause,


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 20
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 19135 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 40):
Its a tricky one, what is even more tricky is in the context of wheelchair customers who are overweight

Leaving aside the overweight part, I thought it was a requirement that a disabled passenger, depending on the level of disability, travel with someone so that if there was an emergency there was someone there to assist them?

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 41):
The miner did however seem a bit worried as the flight was filling up, almost like he had been offloaded before.

I'll bet! It's certainly a tricky one and even more so on regional flights which have smaller planes and less space to begin with.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19055 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
Ideally, I'd like to see a note somewhere in the booking process (perhaps in the same step as the Terms of Carriage), which indicates the size of the seats and recommends the best course of action for larger passengers

I guess that would be the best scenario, although (and I don't want to come over in any discriminatory when I say this) but would most larger individuals (especially if they've flown before) be aware of the size limitations of a Y seat?

One of the better policies out there is WN, who forces larger passengers to pay for a second seat (at checkin, if they haven't already done so) but then refund the second fair if the flight isn't full (i.e. they wouldn't have got any revenue for that seat anyway)

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
Sorry to go so wildly off course, but what's with the new signature?

Implied secondary meaning, i.e. QF413

I think it's kind of clever!



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19053 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 43):
Leaving aside the overweight part, I thought it was a requirement that a disabled passenger, depending on the level of disability, travel with someone so that if there was an emergency there was someone there to assist them?

It varies from airline to airline, I can't recall the specific policy at QF or VA. Foreign airlines generally only requires that the person traveling with the passenger is able to assist them with their toilet and food requirements, they crew maybe required to assist them to and from the lavatory but not in the lavatory.

The only exception is the US flights where the passenger maybe required to have a safety assistant, but under US law this is not grounds for deny the passenger boarding; if the customer is not traveling with a safety assistance, then they are required to provide one it may simply be a passenger sitting next to the passenger, or if no suitable passenger can be found it would have to an airline employee. Again under US law there is no mention of the requirement for the passenger to be able to move themselves between any wheelchair and the seat, thats up to the crew or ground-staff...

On a side note seems CZ is slowly getting serious; Upgrading its MEL and SYD flights to the much superior hard product offered to BNE currently.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/china-southe...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

How is the soft product on CZ these days? I always thought it was a shame the idea of having one Aussie crew didn't really get off the ground. CZ staff struggle with English and even one native speaker to preform PAs would have helped. I think the SYD base is still open, but MEL never opened as far as I know.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19059 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 45):
How is the soft product on CZ these days?
The Canton Route To Australia: China Southern In J (by palmjet Apr 14 2013 in Trip Reports)

Palmjet recently flew CZ AMS-BNE. The soft product looks surprisingly good. To be honest between that trip report and the new lie flat seats, I would definitely consider CZ J if I was in the market for Y+

The biggest issue, unfortunately, still appears to be language



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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19007 times:

From what I've heard, premium economy on CZ leaves a lot to be desired.

CZ have spent a lot of money on advertising the Canton Route on TV/billboards/cabs. The BNE & PER-Europe sales figures are quite low- not sure about SYD/MEL.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18851 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 47):
CZ have spent a lot of money on advertising the Canton Route on TV/billboards/cabs. The BNE & PER-Europe sales figures are quite low- not sure about SYD/MEL.

The former is surprising because the alternative services to Europe from BNE are pretty lacking. Half the EK flights to BNE require a stop in SIN, last I checked.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18825 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 47):
The BNE & PER-Europe sales figures are quite low- not sure about SYD/MEL.

PER was always going to be a bit hard. A flight to Europe through CAN is quite a bit longer than through SIN/KUL/BKK/DXB/DOH. Same reason CX doesn't carry all that many Europe bound pax (IIRC, they carry more Asia bound traffic and US bound traffic from PER).

The price would have to be very low to get PER people to fly the longer route, with the not-too-great transfer time in CAN.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18804 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 47):

I thought BNE was great for CZ. I will have to have a look into that.


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18818 times:

Ex BNE you need to overnight in CAN (CZ pays) if going to LHR. Same with KE. Other BNE-Europe options are SQ/MH/TG/CX/BR/EK/EY and soon GA for same day connections so not exactly lacking.

User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 52, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18857 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 50):
Ex BNE you need to overnight in CAN (CZ pays) if going to LHR

Alternatively fly to AMS or CDG and get a connecting flight. These options are often cheaper than the CAN overnight, and if you go to CDG you can fly the AF codeshare CAN-CDG for the same price.

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 47):
From what I've heard, premium economy on CZ leaves a lot to be desired.

I wouldn't fly Y+ but if there was a J sale going on (i.e. all the time!) you can get J on CZ for less than Y+ on QF. At that point it becomes quite attractive.

My father did something similar last year, and got a LH J fare for less than QF Y+ (which is what he was planning to book). The route was CX BNE-HKG and LH HKG-FRA, and while he didn't have anything remotely positive to say about LH J he still said that - for the seat alone - it was well worth given that it was cheaper than Y+



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18665 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 30):
Safe to say this was an error???

It certainly looks strange. I guess we'll find out if it was deliberate when the next JQ plane gets repainted.

We'll find out soon with EBQ, EBR, receiving the flying Kangaroo colors very soon and joining forces with the growing fleet of A332's  
Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
Sorry to go so wildly off course, but what's with the new signature?

Your the 2nd to comment 
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 44):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
Sorry to go so wildly off course, but what's with the new signature?

Implied secondary meaning, i.e. QF413

I think it's kind of clever!

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Here's a photo taken on board EK5507 this morning followed by EK8434

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r687/pcl138/null_zps27f7a2e2.jpg

Video: http://youtu.be/Xzfh0Lp4mvc

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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 18606 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 36):

No need to ask   Adam was stoked you shared his photo

L.


User currently offlineSYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 18578 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 51):
Ex BNE you need to overnight in CAN (CZ pays) if going to LHR

Is there a hotel within CAN? Or does CAN now offer transit visa's similar to the short term visa's at PVG and PEK?



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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18204 times:

I think CAN offered this service before PEK.

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 17998 times:

An article in the West Australian announced that the A380 gate at PER will be delayed until March 2014, so the second time it has been delayed.

They're blaming not on the gate itself (the gate complex should be finished by March), but "there are a number of other elements that impact the passenger experience that require additional time"

That includes the expanded EK lounge, expanded security, and other parts of the airport not ready to handle 500+ pax at a time.

This is quite pathetic, but not surprising.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 58, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17771 times:

Airport delays Emirates again
Geoffrey Thomas Aviation Editor, The West Australian
June 12, 2013, 6:27 am

Here's the link http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/bus...619/airport-delays-emirates-again/

The arrival at Perth Airport of the world's biggest passenger plane, the 517-seat A380, has been delayed again because the completion of the boarding gate complex has been pushed back to March.

Originally, Perth Airport promised Emirates that it would have the A380 boarding facility ready by this month but in December the airport confirmed a five-month delay.

Perth Airport chief executive Brad Geatches said this week that Emirates has been advised that while the actual gate complex would be delivered by the end of November "there are a number of other elements that impact the passenger experience that require additional time".

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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 59, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17691 times:

Does anyone know what the building at SYD that DJ 1st used as a terminal is used for now ? (the lowset building on LHS before getting to main domestic terminals)

User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17545 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 59):
Does anyone know what the building at SYD that DJ 1st used as a terminal is used for now ? (the lowset building on LHS before getting to main domestic terminals)

Nothing really... occasional functions is about it I think... and they are occasional!


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 20
Reply 61, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17519 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 58):
"there are a number of other elements that impact the passenger experience that require additional time".

Yeah like bad planning and incompetent management. He's the CEO for goodness sake and would have known about all of these "elements" prior to making an announcement about the A380 gate and when it was going to be available.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 62, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17392 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 61):
Yeah like bad planning and incompetent management.

     

This has really become beyond a joke!     EK8413



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17301 times:

Perth Airport is seriously the joke of the century. I don't understand anymore.

It's not just aviation nutters who think so either, literally everybody I talk to thinks PER is badly managed and a joke to our prospering state.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 64, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17235 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 63):

Perth Airport is seriously the joke of the century. I don't understand anymore.

It's not just aviation nutters who think so either, literally everybody I talk to thinks PER is badly managed and a joke to our prospering state.

Joke of the century indeed. That's what happens when you have a money hungry corporation managing our airports-system, well at least PER in this case. They will milk every cent with minimal investment.

EK8413



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17202 times:

Surely the government is aware of the impact on tourism and such!? Why haven't they stepped in?

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 20
Reply 66, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17129 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 64):
Joke of the century indeed. That's what happens when you have a money hungry corporation managing our airports-system, well at least PER in this case. They will milk every cent with minimal investment.

In all seriousness, considering how bad Adelaide used to be PER Management could jump on a plane, fly to ADL, photocopy the plans and take them back to Perth to build the new terminal. The same design, with a few more gates, would work perfectly well. Instead it's years of hot air with virtually nothing invested.

All of the Airports in Australia that the Future Fund is now a large shareholder in, PER is the joke of the lot. If I was the Government, I'd be directing the Future Fund to fix PER as their first priority since they're now the largest shareholder.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 17000 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 66):

This

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-q0jy0c-hPEQ/UMKOOk44QzI/AAAAAAAALTA/VF50ug2Vzx4/s1600/Perth+Airport+Dec+4,+2012+%239.JPG

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I wonder who did their homework and completed it. In Perths case I bet the dog ate it!

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User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16895 times:

They could just up and take the whole airport. ADL doesn't need an airport. No one want to go there anyway   


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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16221 times:

AIR CANADA

During the recent Air Canada Investor Day, Brisbane was listed as a serious contender for 787 services:



Air Canada 2013 Investor Day Presentation

A recent article in Travelweekly had an interview with an Air Canada executive who raised the possibility of a new service from Vancouver to Brisbane on the back of strong mining links between Queensland and Canada amongst other things...

AIR NEW ZEALAND

The airline recommences seasonal Sunshine Coast (Maroochydore) - Auckland services this coming Tuesday, 18 June with A320s. This is the second season of flights to Auckland after a successful trial in 2012.

AEROPELICAN

With effect 22 June 2013, the Aeropelican brand will cease to exist:

Quote:
Aeropelican Air Services and Brindabella Airlines are pleased to announce the merger of the two airlines operations.

Brindabella Airlines Chief Executive Officer Paul Schütz said: “Since the acquisition of Aeropelican Air Services and Brindabella Airlines by parent company Business Air Holdings Pty Ltd, the synergies of the two carriers had long been identified. Today is an important date in our business and marks one of our essential steps in the process of consolidation. Both airlines have histories to be proud of, and while we acknowledge the achievements that Aeropelican has made over the past 44 years, we must eliminate the costs associated with running two airlines therefore allowing us and our customers to gain from greater optimisation of our network, streamlined passenger sales activities, and cost savings in sales distribution, and information technology”. Mr Schutz concluded that “we will be a stronger and more efficient airline as one, allowing us to concentrate on our focus of regional scheduled air services and charter operations”.

As a result Sydney to Narrabri, Newcastle, and Mudgee services will commence operating under the Brindabella Airlines brand and FQ flight number designator with effect from Saturday 22nd June 2013.

Continues...

Brindabella Airlines - Media Releases

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA

Recent article from the Australian is of interest...

Virgin extends its reach into Asia

Quote:
VIRGIN Australia is working on plans to ramp up its Asian strategy, considering flying its own long-range aircraft into Singapore to further cement its alliance with powerhouse carrier Singapore Airlines, only months after Qantas moved its new international hub to Dubai in the Middle East.

The Australian understands Virgin is considering starting flights to Singapore or another major Asian destination using Boeing 777 or A330 long-range aircraft, in line with its stated strategy to fly its own services to hubs operated by its alliance partners.

Continues...

AVIATION - The Australian


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 70, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16173 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 69):
During the recent Air Canada Investor Day, Brisbane was listed as a serious contender for 787 services

Interesting, thanks for sharing. AC had already indicated that another Australian market was on the cards, and it was between MEL and BNE.

It's really great that BNE appears to be the favoured candidate!

Bias aside, I always thought that BNE would be the better option due to the strong trade and investment ties between Queensland and Calgary. While MEL might have more demand overall, I'm not sure how yielding that demand would be (especially in terms of J demand) whereas there is enough high value resources traffic between Queensland and Alberta to hopefully make the route viable.



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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16054 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 69):
VIRGIN Australia is working on plans to ramp up its Asian strategy, considering flying its own long-range aircraft into Singapore to further cement its alliance with powerhouse carrier Singapore Airlines, only months after Qantas moved its new international hub to Dubai in the Middle East.

The Australian understands Virgin is considering starting flights to Singapore or another major Asian destination using Boeing 777 or A330 long-range aircraft, in line with its stated strategy to fly its own services to hubs operated by its alliance partners.

Why? When the market is so saturated between Oz and SIN (SQ multiple daily to most capitals, QF from most capitals, EK/EY/BA/TZ) and especially given they would be partnering with the biggest operator on the route. I dont see this working, who would chose VA over SQ when code sharing? Atleast AUH, EY didn't/doesnt have a huge presence.

While same argument could be said for QF, they are well established competitors and is a complete different situation.


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15983 times:

I think it would be nice for DJ to pick up the slack that QF left. A daily 738 PER-SIN (departing around 9-10am, complimenting the existing SQ services at 0100, 0735, 1555 and 1725) and perhaps a 332 on ADL-SIN feeding into SQ's departure bank would definitely do well IMO.

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 73, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15930 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 44):
I guess that would be the best scenario, although (and I don't want to come over in any discriminatory when I say this) but would most larger individuals (especially if they've flown before) be aware of the size limitations of a Y seat?

One would hope so, but even those passengers who want to take proactive action will have trouble finding out about what they should do on QF/VA's respective websites (I can't find a policy addressing this issue on either). I totally support the view at a passenger is responsible for themselves, but the airlines could avoid a lot of hassle/embarrassment for passengers if they also took a more proactive stance on the issue.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 44):
Implied secondary meaning, i.e. QF413
Quoting EK413 (Reply 53):

   Very clever indeed.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 69):
During the recent Air Canada Investor Day, Brisbane was listed as a serious contender for 787 services

Would be excellent to see more of AC here (though the presence of DEL on that map doesn't inspire a whole lot of comfidence in me).

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 71):

I agree, SIN makes very little sense while VA has SQ. Far better to use their aircraft to plug other gaps where they don't have partners to carry their traffic IMO (ie Japan, China, India etc).

It would be interesting to see where the capacity would come from. I don't see A330s being pulled off domestic runs, but could easily see the 3/wk SYD-AUH canned in favour of a daily flight to Asia (or a mixture of 3/4 weekly on a couple of routes).

There's also the partnership with DL which seems to be crying out for some imaginative thinking. They could easily use their planes more efficiently within that part of their network if they were keen to free up 77Ws to use regionally.


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2059 posts, RR: 4
Reply 74, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15804 times:

According to the Sydney Morning Herald China Southern eyed grabbing a 10-15% stake in Qantas earlier this year.

Source



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 75, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 15724 times:

Quoting allrite (Reply 74):

According to the Sydney Morning Herald China Southern eyed grabbing a 10-15% stake in Qantas earlier this year.

Source

Interesting news. I'm curious if this comment refers to QF Asian routes prior to the restructure of their flights.
"Merrill Lynch analysts have estimated that Qantas' flying operations on routes to Asia are ''break-even at best''.

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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 20
Reply 76, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15654 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 73):
Far better to use their aircraft to plug other gaps where they don't have partners to carry their traffic IMO (ie Japan, China, India etc).

As I said in the other thread about HND, it will be interesting to see if Australia receives better timed slots into HND. If it does I can see QF and VA competing for them.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 75):
Interesting news. I'm curious if this comment refers to QF Asian routes prior to the restructure of their flights."Merrill Lynch analysts have estimated that Qantas' flying operations on routes to Asia are ''break-even at best''.

I would say they are talking about now. When you think about it, it's probably about right in terms of where the re-structure would have them as well.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15501 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 73):
It would be interesting to see where the capacity would come from. I don't see A330s being pulled off domestic runs

I posted a link earlier to ausbt in this thread, where it stated VA were going to make all weekday SYD-PER flights into A330's from October, when their 7th A330-200 arrives (I asked the forum about the details of this plane, as I didn't know they were expecting any more).

So, from this 7th A330, they have announced it is taking over the one remaining daily 737 from SYD-PER-SYD. So, with that added capacity, they could do an Asian route.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2059 posts, RR: 4
Reply 78, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15452 times:

The new Qantas Frequent Flyer ad, to be screened tonight, features NASA's Curiosity Rover.

I'm hoping to sit next to Curiosity next time I fly Qantas. Poor thing has to be switched off until cruise is reached and you'd want to hope that the IFE doesn't include Short Circuit, but no issues with too much conversation, BO or frequent toilet breaks. It could also tell if there was anything organic in the meal service.  

Now we wait for Virgin Australia to add Virgin Galactic flights to their Velocity program. Qantas must be hoping that Curiosity won't switch programs for that reason.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 79, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15316 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 77):

I know the source Wikipedia ain't reliable at the best of times but appears VA have 5 x A332's from Airbus plus the 2 x ex-EK. Again I don't feel very confident with the source.

A list of orders, deliveries and operators of the Airbus A330 as of 31 October 2012:

Virgin Australia A330-200 orders


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15144 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 79):
I know the source Wikipedia ain't reliable at the best of times but appears VA have 5 x A332's from Airbus plus the 2 x ex-EK. Again I don't feel very confident with the source.

I trust ausbt, as they seem to be quite reliable. It is just that I can't really find anything else on the web regarding this 7th A330 (I can only find other webpages publishing the same article).

Would like to know things like when it will be delivered, who it is being leased through, etc.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinejrfspa320 From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15146 times:

Is this a new aircraft?
Will the ex EK A330s be given a refurb to bring them up to the same standard?


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15100 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 69):
an Air Canada executive who raised the possibility of a new service from Vancouver to Brisbane on the back of strong mining links between Queensland and Canada amongst other things...

I would not be surprised if this happens, I was informed on a recent delay on the QF8 BNE SYD the vast majority of the passengers were connecting onto the AC service through to YVR



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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 83, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14836 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 70):
It's really great that BNE appears to be the favoured candidate!

Bias aside, I always thought that BNE would be the better option due to the strong trade and investment ties between Queensland and Calgary. While MEL might have more demand overall, I'm not sure how yielding that demand would be (especially in terms of J demand) whereas there is enough high value resources traffic between Queensland and Alberta to hopefully make the route viable.
Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 82):
I would not be surprised if this happens, I was informed on a recent delay on the QF8 BNE SYD the vast majority of the passengers were connecting onto the AC service through to YVR

Thanks for sharing... anecdotal reports also suggest Air Canada carries a decent amount of cargo from Canada to Sydney, that is eventually bound for Brisbane/Queensland.

Thanks for the info ZuluAlpha, it'd be interesting to see the passenger leakage, in terms of the overall number of passengers ex-Brisbane and Melbourne traveling to Vancouver/Canada over Sydney.

Quoting allrite (Reply 78):
Now we wait for Virgin Australia to add Virgin Galactic flights to their Velocity program. Qantas must be hoping that Curiosity won't switch programs for that reason

Virgin Galactic is a Velocity Rewards member and has been for some time - see here. A Virgin Galactic Sub-Orbital Flight earns a Velocity member one million Velocity points!

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 80):
I trust ausbt, as they seem to be quite reliable. It is just that I can't really find anything else on the web regarding this 7th A330 (I can only find other webpages publishing the same article).

VH-XFH will reportedly join the fleet towards the end of September, joining the existing 6 A330s (VH-XFA/XFB/XFC/XFD/XFE/XFG).


JETSTAR - LOMBOK

Jetstar has finally confirmed it'll launch flights from Perth to Lombok, Indonesia later this year.

Jetstar Media Centre

Quote:
Jetstar to launch non-stop flights to Lombok from September^
17 June 2013

- Jetstar to introduce the first ever non-stop service between Australia and Lombok
- Special sale fares starting $119 per person one way
- Lombok to become the fifth destination for the Jetstar Group in Indonesia

Jetstar today announced it would begin flying between Perth and the Indonesian island of Lombok from 24 September^.

The new route will be the first non-stop service from Australia to the emerging tourism destination.

To celebrate the launch of the new service, Jetstar will be offering special sale fares of $119* one way from Perth to Lombok.

Jetstar Australia and New Zealand Chief Executive Officer David Hall said he was excited to introduce Lombok as the airline’s 15th international destination.

“As we enter our 10th year of flying, we are delighted to be the first carrier to introduce non-stop services from Australia to Lombok,” Mr Hall said.

Continues...


JETSTAR - CAIRNS

Jetstar has also confirm its will cease to operate its Cairns - Perth services with effect end October 2013:

Quote:
The service balances the cancellation of the airline's daily Perth to Cairns flight, which will cease on October 28 after not living up to expectations.

The West Australian


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2059 posts, RR: 4
Reply 84, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14796 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 83):
Virgin Galactic is a Velocity Rewards member and has been for some time - see here. A Virgin Galactic Sub-Orbital Flight earns a Velocity member one million Velocity points!

No wonder Qantas was eager to sign NASA up. It would take a while to earn the 25,000,000 points to redeem a Virgin Galactic flight with any of VA's current partners but Curiosity has easily earned far more than that already en route to Mars.   

Quoting QF175 (Reply 83):
Thanks for the info ZuluAlpha, it'd be interesting to see the passenger leakage, in terms of the overall number of passengers ex-Brisbane and Melbourne traveling to Vancouver/Canada over Sydney.

Maybe VA should seek a partnership/investment with AC.



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14810 times:

Great news about the Perth-Lombok rumour being true! Hopefully this market proves well and we see JQ or a competitor open up other secondary Indonesian cities like Surabaya and Medan.

Shame about the only direct link to Cairns being axed though.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 86, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14367 times:

Random comment tha

Quoting EK413 (Reply 53):
Here's a photo taken on board EK5507 this morning followed by EK8434
Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 82):
I would not be surprised if this happens, I was informed on a recent delay on the QF8 BNE SYD the vast majority of the passengers were connecting onto the AC service through to YVR

Also got anecdotal evidence of something similar. Last July I flew QF BNE-SYD-HKG, and the vast majority of passengers from my BNE flight who headed to the Gate 2 international connection were going through to YVR



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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13832 times:

On a different note, is it possible that EK will soon add more nonstop flights to SYD/MEL/BNE to replace its flights via Southeast Asia? Having an intermediate stop on the way to DXB seems to defeat the purpose of QF/EK: one-stop from these cities to Europe, the Middle East, and Africa.

User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 20
Reply 88, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13556 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 83):
Jetstar has finally confirmed it'll launch flights from Perth to Lombok, Indonesia later this year.

From a totally nerdy point of view this is interesting because QF have yet to apply for any additional IASC Indonesia Capacity to operate the route. That means it's coming from capacity which has already been allocated which I thought was all used?

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 87):
is it possible that EK will soon add more nonstop flights to SYD/MEL/BNE to replace its flights via Southeast Asia?

Doubtful. The EK Southeast Asia services actually nicely complement the Qantas ones allowing multiple daily frequencies to SIN, where they didn't exist with QF before, along with adding service to Kuala Lumpur, even if it is at an appalling time. If anything I'd like to see EK swap some of their trans tasman capacity from Sydney to a place like PER to fly PER-AKL or something like that.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 89, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13414 times:

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 81):
Will the ex EK A330s be given a refurb to bring them up to the same standard?

Nope. I would assume that these will be the first planes to be retired when the A330 replacement (an order is apparently due by the end of the year) starts arriving.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 87):
Quoting sydscott (Reply 88):
Doubtful. The EK Southeast Asia services actually nicely complement the Qantas ones allowing multiple daily frequencies to SIN, where they didn't exist with QF before, along with adding service to Kuala Lumpur, even if it is at an appalling time.

There really isn't much value for QF in a 2am flight to SIN, a second daily SYD-BKK or a random daily MEL-KUL. QF has put their codes on these flights because EK wants to use their customer base to help lift loads and yields on the local leg of these flights.

I don't think we'll see any changes this year, but I do expect the focus to shift to more nonstop flights next year starting with MEL. I also expect something to happen with SYD-BKK, where a service from both carriers makes zero sense.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 88):
From a totally nerdy point of view this is interesting because QF have yet to apply for any additional IASC Indonesia Capacity to operate the route. That means it's coming from capacity which has already been allocated which I thought was all used?

Weren't there some changes planned for MEL-DPS? Presumably the capaitiy that they lose there will be used for these new flights.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 90, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13406 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 89):
I don't think we'll see any changes this year, but I do expect the focus to shift to more nonstop flights next year starting with MEL. I also expect something to happen with SYD-BKK, where a service from both carriers makes zero sense.

I've heard the QF service is doing very well & the original plans to drop the route have been shelved.

EK8413



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13314 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 90):
I've heard the QF service is doing very well & the original plans to drop the route have been shelved.

It certainly seemed to do extremely well over the summer, so I would be surprised to see it go. Perhaps EK could move their flight elsewhere (CGK/MNL?) where QF's cost base makes their service unviable?


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 92, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13294 times:

there's a new FIFO terminal at BNE airport. Apparently there's a departure lounge near old international terminal & passengers are bused to door of aircraft.

No need for security for FIFO. Does that also apply to charters ?

Just heard there's going to be a new 737 operator in Australia doing FIFO & they will be operating new routes such as in & out of ABX. Didn't think ABX could handle a 737.

Also DPS nonstop from other ports, where not flown at present + some New Zealand ports, possibly on a seasonal basis only.

[Edited 2013-06-19 00:55:17]

User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 93, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13114 times:

more news

Someone is seriously looking at operating Bankstown to Archerfield using either Dash 8's or 30 seater jets plus also Bankstown to Essendon and/or Moorabbin.

With congestion getting worse in peak hours at SYD & BNE especially, probably not a bad move, if it can be costed right.

Lots of people don't like busy airports & just want to get in & out of them as fast as they can.

Not everyone in SYD lives close to Mascot.

Not everyone in BNE live close to Eagle Farm.

Not everyone in MEL lives close to Tullamarine.

+ parking costs at these smaller airports are either non-existent or very cheap & you can probably park very close to the terminal, with no security either.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13099 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 93):
Someone is seriously looking at operating Bankstown to Archerfield using either Dash 8's or 30 seater jets plus also Bankstown to Essendon and/or Moorabbin.

If they can get a Sydney/Bankstown to Moorabbin route to start I can definitely see potential in that. Essendon I don't see the point in given its close proximity to MEL.

The thing holding back such a route though would be terminal facilities at Moorabbin and imagine the NIMBY response as always happens. This would be a perfect route for QF Link or even the new VA ATR's though to tap into the large SE Melb market, who will still gain their loyalty points for flying with their preferred airline. A new entrant may face a harder time getting the same market appeal.


User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 13029 times:

According to PlaneFinder there's an AtlasAir 747-8F sitting on the tarmac at PER right now. Safe to say the first of its type to land in WA.

User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12994 times:

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA - BRISBANE AIRPORT

BAC and Virgin Australia Reach Agreement to Enhance Customer Experience at Brisbane Airport

Quote:
Brisbane Airport Corporation Pty Ltd (BAC) and Virgin Australia Airlines Pty Ltd (Virgin Australia) have reached an agreement that will enable significant enhancements to Virgin Australia’s facilities and support the development of critical infrastructure at Brisbane Airport.

The agreement includes:

- A series of major upgrades to the Virgin Australia-leased area at the Domestic Terminal including an expanded Virgin Australia lounge, new gate lounges to support the growing ATR Turboprop operations, expanded terminal seating areas and additional aerobridge gates for wide-bodied Airbus A330 aircraft;
- Ongoing runway access for the next 10 years and support for the development of the new parallel runway;
- The sale and lease-back of the Virgin Australia hangar at Brisbane Airport.


BAC’s Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director Julieanne Alroe said the signing of the agreement with Virgin Australia was a significant milestone for the airport.

“The agreement proves the commitment of both BAC and Virgin Australia to the growth of aviation services in Brisbane, Queensland and Australia.

“BAC is committed to building Brisbane’s new runway. The project is on track and on schedule and our investment so far, along with today’s announcement, demonstrates this commitment and is an important step forward”, Ms Alroe said.

Continues...

Virgin Australia - Media

Brisbane has been a hive of activity of late and will continue to be so for many years to come. Many projects have been completed recently, are in the construction phase or will commence construction soon:

- Expansion of Common User Terminal, with introduction of more gates and lounge area
- Expansion of the domestic apron to the north of the Qantas terminal
- New, multi-million dollar boarding gate and lounge for QantasLink
- $75m Q Catering facility between the Domestic and International terminals
- Expansion of the northern International terminal apron
- Construction of Taxiway Bravo, reducing congestion and wait times
- RWY01/19 overlay
- Upgrade of QantasLink hangar
- Mulit-million dollar expansion of Qantas/Jetstar 737/767/A330 hangars
- Construction of a new hangar for GAM
- Opening of new Domestic terminal carpark
- Opening of the Skywalk linking carparks and Domestic terminal
- A new home for DHL with construction of a multi-million dollar processing and admin centre

Then of course you have the planned International terminal refurbishment and the Airport's biggest and most expensive project, the new parallel runway, currently under construction and due for completion around 2020.

Impressive!

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 92):

Here's some of that article..


Quote:
Brisbane Airport could have a new terminal for low-cost airlines, more public transport facilities and a passenger lounge for resource sector workers by 2033 if a new master plan wins approval.

The developments are contained in a draft 20-year strategy document the airport corporation is currently finalising with key stakeholders including state and local governments.

BAC CEO and managing director Julieanne Alroe said the new plan, required by law, provided a vital planning blueprint for the booming operation.

Ms Alroe said passenger numbers were forecast to grow from 21,500,000 in 2012 to around 48,700,000 in 2033/34, fuelled in part by growth in Queensland’s resources sector.

Continues...

BrisbaneTimes - Source


VIRGIN AUSTRALIA - MELBOURNE

Virgin Australia Announces Direct Services between Melbourne and Hamilton Island

Quote:
Virgin Australia today announced that from 15 August 2013 it will commence services between Melbourne and Hamilton Island with fares for sale from today. It will be the first airline to offer Business Class on this route since 2004.

The airline will operate its Boeing 737-800 aircraft that include 8 Business Class and 168 Economy Class seats. The aircraft features luxury leather seating in both Business, and Economy Class, as well as a Business Class menu designed by acclaimed chef Luke Mangan.

Continues...

Virgin Australia - Media

Effective 15 August 2013, flights will operate on Tue/Thu/Sat/Sun, with three nonstop flights a week during the quieter, off-peak months of February to June.

Virgin Australia is the only airline currently operating Business Class to Hamilton Island, with flights from Brisbane and Sydney and soon Melbourne.


User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3027 posts, RR: 20
Reply 97, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12903 times:

EK413 - any idea how MEL-BKK does on Jetstar? I'd heard if th relative success of SYD-BKK sow as wondering how the MEL service was going and whether takin it back to QF mainline would be an option?

QF002 - I agree in principle. I think EK is using it while they can but agree that they will eventually shift to more direct services. Certainly I think MEL could potentially do with some more direct DXB service although it probably depends on how effectively EK can use the aircraft in Southeast Asia or returning it to DXB. With plenty more A388's coming in they'll have plenty of capacity coming for new direct services but will max their allocation. Then it'll be up to QF to pick up further slack.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 445 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 12734 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 92):

I believe Brenzil facility which is also used for Hawker Pacific does the Alliance FIFO workers.I have seen them walk across the tarmac, not by bus, to get to their aircraft which are parked on bay1-2 at the old ITB. I believe the new facility will be elsewhere.

Interesting re a new 737 operator .Thanks.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 99, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12709 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 97):
QF002 - I agree in principle. I think EK is using it while they can but agree that they will eventually shift to more direct services. Certainly I think MEL could potentially do with some more direct DXB service although it probably depends on how effectively EK can use the aircraft in Southeast Asia or returning it to DXB. With plenty more A388's coming in they'll have plenty of capacity coming for new direct services but will max their allocation. Then it'll be up to QF to pick up further slack.

My understanding is that a bit like Etihad's AUH-SIN-BNE sector, that the through traffic to BNE actually helps support the daily service to SIN.

In the case of DXB-SIN-MEL, the 03.00 departure offers connections from most of EK's single daily services from low yield VFR markets like ATH, LCA and MLA, so no real need to offer a premium non-stop service.

in the case of DXB-BKK-SYD, the 08.50 departure arrives 7.45am. if the stop was taken out, the flight would arrive before curfew. if the departure was pushed back to arrive after curfew, it would depart the exact same time as EK 412 (6.05am).

so there is no real incentive for EK to drop either of the one stop services and hand them to QF.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12662 times:

Quoting ben175 (Reply 95):
According to PlaneFinder there's an AtlasAir 747-8F sitting on the tarmac at PER right now. Safe to say the first of its type to land in WA.

I saw it come in from a distance. At first, I didn't realize it was a 747, but I did notice it was a quad-jet, which I found unusual, as it came in from the ocean at a time that fit the schedules of EK and QR. Had to stop my car and have a look a flightradar, just to realize it was a 748.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 101, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12610 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 96):
Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 92):
Here's some of that article..


Quote:Brisbane Airport could have a new terminal for low-cost airlines, more public transport facilities and a passenger lounge for resource sector workers by 2033 if a new master plan wins approval.

Not talking 2033 but right now. It's already in use.

Will try & find out more.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 98):
Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 92):
I believe Brenzil facility which is also used for Hawker Pacific does the Alliance FIFO workers.I have seen them walk across the tarmac, not by bus, to get to their aircraft which are parked on bay1-2 at the old ITB. I believe the new facility will be elsewhere.

Interesting re a new 737 operator .Thanks.

Don't think it Brenzil facility for Alliance. Was told this one they use a bus.


User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12685 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 96):
Effective 15 August 2013, flights will operate on Tue/Thu/Sat/Sun, with three nonstop flights a week during the quieter, off-peak months of February to June.

Given the popularity of weekend trips to Hamilton and Hayman Islands, the omission of Monday and Friday from the schedule is weird.



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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 103, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12653 times:

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 102):
Quoting QF175 (Reply 96):Effective 15 August 2013, flights will operate on Tue/Thu/Sat/Sun, with three nonstop flights a week during the quieter, off-peak months of February to June.
Given the popularity of weekend trips to Hamilton and Hayman Islands, the omission of Monday and Friday from the schedule is weird.

Yes but VA can see how many & when they have passengers flying MEL/HTI/MEL via BNE or SYD + have to have aircraft available.

Aren't Mon & Fri busiest days of week for business travel on golden triangle ?


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 104, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

Hello,

Do you recall that incident a few months back, at DFW, where a captain and a SO had a rather vocal difference of opinion, which resulted in the flight being cancelled? Has there been any further news on this? Would this be a purely internal investigation, or would the ATSB have any input?

Has it had any impact or led to any change to QF's CRM programme?


User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12478 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 93):
Someone is seriously looking at operating Bankstown to Archerfield using either Dash 8's or 30 seater jets plus also Bankstown to Essendon and/or Moorabbin.
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 94):
The thing holding back such a route though would be terminal facilities at Moorabbin

This would be interesting. There would need to be a significant investment in upgraded terminal facilities at all three aerodromes, though – perhaps not Moorabbin (I'd say Moorabbin's terminal is currently significantly better than YSBK's). Archerfield's is the best, but not large enough for a Dash 8's worth of passengers. YBAF also has a pavement limit of 5700kg, though presumably an exemption could be sorted out fairly easily; there was a Metro sitting on the apron when I was last there and its MTOW is well in excess of 5700kg.



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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 106, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12441 times:

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 105):
This would be interesting. There would need to be a significant investment in upgraded terminal facilities at all three aerodromes, though – perhaps not Moorabbin (I'd say Moorabbin's terminal is currently significantly better than YSBK's). Archerfield's is the best, but not large enough for a Dash 8's worth of passengers. YBAF also has a pavement limit of 5700kg, though presumably an exemption could be sorted out fairly easily; there was a Metro sitting on the apron when I was last there and its MTOW is well in excess of 5700kg.

there's a terminal at Bankstown beside Skyforce hangar which is unused at present.

It could easily handle 30 something people & a lot more.

Skyforce's BAE146-200QC has landed at Bankstown(that's it's base). It has something like 77-80 seats however don't think it could fly to BNE or MEL with a full load of passengers.

Archerfield has a terminal & although small, you can park free right outside. Not sure what BNE, SYD & MEL charge to park as usually cab it, but think it's like $50 a day & if go a minute over 24 hours, think it becomes 2 days or $100.

The few times have driven to BNE, had to walk a few kms to get on aircraft.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 107, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12384 times:
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Qantas will add an additional weekly frequency on the SYD-SCL route from 20DEC13 through 10JAN14.

User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12265 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 106):
there's a terminal at Bankstown beside Skyforce hangar which is unused at present.

It could easily handle 30 something people & a lot more.

Skyforce's BAE146-200QC has landed at Bankstown(that's it's base). It has something like 77-80 seats however don't think it could fly to BNE or MEL with a full load of passengers.

Archerfield has a terminal & although small, you can park free right outside. Not sure what BNE, SYD & MEL charge to park as usually cab it, but think it's like $50 a day & if go a minute over 24 hours, think it becomes 2 days or $100.

The few times have driven to BNE, had to walk a few kms to get on aircraft.

There is a terminal at Bankstown – it's not far from my base – but it's not in the best condition from my peeking in from outside. It wouldn't take much work to bring it up to scratch though.

The Skyforce 146 has been hanging around for quite a while parked at both Skyforce and Hawker Pacific – it got moved (mostly; its tail won't quite fit) to the Skyforce hangar from the Hawker apron in the last couple of days; by the looks they are finally repainting a VH- registration on it.

Moorabbin and Archerfield both have a smallish, if reasonable, amount of parking near their terminals; the Bankstown one doesn't really have much around it by the time the staff and students from the adjacent hangars have all arrived of a morning.



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12079 times:

For the Brisbanites, Air New Zealand has scheduled a 747-400 on this coming Sundays schedule. Could be the last time we see an NZ 744 here in Brisbane!

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 110, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11833 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 109):

For the Brisbanites, Air New Zealand has scheduled a 747-400 on this coming Sundays schedule. Could be the last time we see an NZ 744 here in Brisbane!

Do we have a arrival / departure time EK8413



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User currently offlineBluebird191 From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11788 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 110):
Do we have a arrival / departure time EK8413

It's operating flights NZ135/136 - arrives BNE at 11.10, departing at 12.25 or thereabouts.

[Edited 2013-06-20 14:43:37]

User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 445 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11756 times:

I have NZ 744'S on Sat 6,13 and 20 July as well for BNE.


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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 113, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11702 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 112):
I have NZ 744'S on Sat 6,13 and 20 July as well for BNE.

& 27 July. Guess this is Australian & New Zealand school holidays.


User currently offlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11668 times:

NZ 744 is also scheduled on all Saturday AKL-BNE-AKL NZ135/136 services from December to the end of May 2014.

User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 115, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11483 times:

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 114):
NZ 744 is also scheduled on all Saturday AKL-BNE-AKL NZ135/136 services from December to the end of May 2014.

Saturday is a very popular day for start of holidays + there's probably a situation where Australians can't get to AKL to link up with LAX, SFO & YVR flights (ie no cheaper seats BNE/AKL).

FJ have a similar problem. NAN located perfectly under the straight line between SYD & LAX, but from mid December & January it's almost impossible to get seats to NAN to connect with relatively empty & now dialy A332's to LAX.

FJ will have to do something. Sounds will either put on extra flights Australia to NAN or switch some of these flights from 737's to A332's if they can.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 116, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11402 times:

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 111):
Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 112):
Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 113):

This would explain why the upgrade in equipment.

Lions 2013 Tour


There seemed to be 3 x UA B744 flights arriving into SYD this morning. Anyone able to shed some light? Possible delay ex-LAX?

EK8413

[Edited 2013-06-21 00:44:19]


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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11064 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 89):
There really isn't much value for QF in a 2am flight to SIN, a second daily SYD-BKK or a random daily MEL-KUL. QF has put their codes on these flights because EK wants to use their customer base to help lift loads and yields on the local leg of these flights.

I don't think we'll see any changes this year, but I do expect the focus to shift to more nonstop flights next year starting with MEL. I also expect something to happen with SYD-BKK, where a service from both carriers makes zero sense.

Maybe if the problem is that there aren't enough times a day when EK can fly DXB-SYD nonstop, we've reached the day when 3 388s is too small for EK!


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 118, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10901 times:

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 117):
Maybe if the problem is that there aren't enough times a day when EK can fly DXB-SYD nonstop, we've reached the day when 3 388s is too small for EK!

You're pretty much right! And the reason is that DXB is connected by banks. LHR is 5x but there is a huge amount of LHR-DXB O&D, a lot more than SYD, and also some of the flights are sufficiently close in time that two can connect to the same bank. In Australia I think that 3xEK+QF to SYD and MEL and 3xEK to PER and BNE is about as big as they can grow.

Therefore I would expect to see more and more of the stops decoupled, and ultimately up-gauged to A380s.

The real question is what would happen to CHC. Apparently EK do pretty well hauling boxes across the ditch, and it is therefore quite a decent route even though the cabin is invariably empty. If they decide that they want to keep it, then I guess that begs the question of which route will remain 77W to support it? My guess would be that EK418/9 could be delinked from BKK, and ultimately turn into a third daily non-stop A380 (!) and EK408/9 could continue MEL-CHC.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 119, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10889 times:

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 111):
It's operating flights NZ135/136 - arrives BNE at 11.10, departing at 12.25 or thereabouts.

Here I am waiting to witness what could be the last NZ B744 service into BNE & realised its tomorrow's flight not today!



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 120, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10663 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 119):
Here I am waiting to witness what could be the last NZ B744 service into BNE & realised its tomorrow's flight not today

The joys of spotting mate.
Noticed QF571 (738) SYD - PER this evening (sat 22 Jun) is taking quite a southerly routing.



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10629 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 119):

I will be out tomorrow, hoping to get some killer photos!


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 445 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10642 times:

zk-okq are you new to this.I have photographed the NZ 744 fleet to death.

No interest to me anymore.



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10644 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 122):

I have only caught one of the NZ 744's in BNE and it was cloudy and shitty weather... So no, not new at all.


User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 122):

I also didn't realise we couldn't see and photograph an aircraft more than once Lloyd. I'll make sure I ask your permission next time.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 445 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10293 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 123):

Yes you are new to this then.That's all i wanted to know.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 126, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10107 times:

I watched NZ B744 ZK-NBV takeoff with a very early rotation. I'll be uploading the video footage.

NZ B744 ZK-NBV


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 127, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9921 times:

NZ upgauged today's NZ135/136 service and here is the video of B747-419 ZK-NBV departing BNE from runway 19

http://youtu.be/B9aznbpQ8VA

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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

EK 413, thank you for taking the time and effort to bring that video to us, cheers


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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9674 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 127):

Having seen an NZ 744 @ BNE many, many, many times, it's only just dawned on me that I might never see it again. Thanks for sharing



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9679 times:

Quoting TN486 (Reply 128):
EK 413, thank you for taking the time and effort to bring that video to us, cheers

Your welcome

I know it's not the greatest footage but I managed to capture the moment with my iPhone.

EK8413



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User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9381 times:

There appears to have been an Aerolineas Argentinas A340, LV-ZPX, parked on a remote stand at Sydney airport for the last week or so – does anyone know what's going on with it?


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 132, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9219 times:

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 131):

There appears to have been an Aerolineas Argentinas A340, LV-ZPX, parked on a remote stand at Sydney airport for the last week or so – does anyone know what's going on with it.

I was curious what's up with this aircraft. I flew into SYD on the 19/6 & the aircraft was still parked on the hard stand 21/6.
Probably waiting for parts to be flown in???

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User currently offlineSandgroper From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9026 times:

EK413 thanks also for sharing, I'll never forget early days of SYD-AKL service on the 747 and a very funny Maori flight attendant walking down the aisle waving a golf club asking "has anyone seen my golf ball?" absolute magic.

[Edited 2013-06-24 03:04:17]


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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8720 times:

Delays into BNE continuing, but improving slightly: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...rport/story-fnihsrf2-1226668787722

How about narrow body take offs on runway 32, at least when ops are in the 19 direction on the main runway? Taxi time would be about the same.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 134):
Delays into BNE continuing, but improving slightly: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...rport/story-fnihsrf2-1226668787722

How about narrow body take offs on runway 32, at least when ops are in the 19 direction on the main runway? Taxi time would be about the same.

Negligence is the word that best describes BAC. The operators had ample time to commence work on the new runway but their decision is to play these games. My last flight into BNE was delayed on the ground in SYD for close to 30 minutes due to air traffic control in BNE.

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User currently offlineBluebird191 From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8522 times:

BNE is my home airport and in my 22 or so flights arriving in here I've never experienced a holding pattern or delay, but did have a delayed arrival of 1:20 in 2008 on a QFLink flight from ROK, but that was due to issues enroute - it was on QF2307 (coastal milk run of CNS-TSV-MKY-ROK-GLT-BNE). It was 45 minutes late into ROK thern delayed another 35 minutes in GLT due to issues with the passenger manifest.

Maybe ATC or BAC should talk to the people at Gatwick to learn something as to how they do things with it being the busiest single runway airport in the world.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8493 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 135):
Negligence is the word that best describes BAC

True. With all the focus on PER, I think we haven't paid enough attention to BNE around here. BNE is almost as incompetent as PER, but seems to attract less attention.

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 136):
I've never experienced a holding pattern or delay

In which case count yourself very lucky.

At peak time work on the basis that you WILL be late.

Off peak, it's 50-50. I flew into BNE yesterday morning (Sunday) and we went straight in, although the FO warned when we departed CBR that there was a chance that we would have to hold.

Last Saturday my father held for 30 mins at 9:15 am - 9:15 on a saturday!

Similarly, a couple of months back I held for 20 at 10am on a Wednesday.



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User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 137):
True. With all the focus on PER, I think we haven't paid enough attention to BNE around here. BNE is almost as incompetent as PER, but seems to attract less attention.

Really? BNE has had an A380 gate for years now. The number of aerobridges at each terminal is pretty much doubled, and tripled at the domestic precinct. Sure, we may have two runways but they intersect so one can only be used at any given time.


User currently offlineBluebird191 From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 137):
At peak time work on the basis that you WILL be late

I know I'm likely going to get it sometime, but most of my flights into BNE usually arrive about 9.30am, 5pm or 7.30pm so probably lucky it hasn't happened as yet. SYD is the only airport I've been delayed into as such - twice delayed by SYD ATC before pushback in BNE, first time only by 10 minutes then copped a holding pattern over the Hunter Valley for 30 minutes, then the second time was a 30 minute delay before pushback in BNE.

I'm often constantly seeing the holding patterns via various websites, but surely ATC has ways to improve the situation here - maybe some help from the likes of ATC around London or New York.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 445 posts, RR: 1
Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8454 times:

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 136):

They have called in NATS which is the UK equivalent of Air Services and NATS handle Gatwick.

They produced a very detailed report which includes more high speed taxyways,more entry and exit points,splitting the ATC arrivals north by adding a departure controller at peak times to reduce controller load,increasing the use of the cross runway and reducing the landing sequence to 2 mins separation.

There are other points and plans but some will take 2-3 yrs to complete but others have already commenced.This will be a slow process.

Yes we all agree that the new runway should have been built by now but it hasn't so this report will hopefully be implemented in full and alleviate plenty of the delays.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8399 times:

Quoting ben175 (Reply 138):
Really? BNE has had an A380 gate for years now. The number of aerobridges at each terminal is pretty much doubled, and tripled at the domestic precinct. Sure, we may have two runways but they intersect so one can only be used at any given time.

I agree with RyanairGuru, our attention has been focused on PER whilst BNE has been flying under the radar.

Yes, BNE invested over the years in projects such as the International Terminal expansion, A380 capable gate, new car park at Domestic terminal. However, the biggest missing piece of the puzzle wasn't tackled by BAC which was preparation work on the NEW runway. Had work commenced in say 2000-2005 this would've given the operators ample time to allow the land backfill to settle (7 years) & then request funding to build the runway. The airport won't see a new parallel runway operational at its earliest until 2020. These ATC holding delays will only worsen until then as demand grows.

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User currently offlinemaxter From Australia, joined May 2009, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8130 times:

Did something happen to a Virgin flight up at Broome today?

I believe a 738 was parked away from the terminal with some emergency service vehicles around it.



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8124 times:

Quoting ben175 (Reply 138):
Really? BNE has had an A380 gate for years now

I'm sorry, but the quality of an airport's infrastructure isn't measure by the number of A380 gates it has  
Quoting EK413 (Reply 141):
BNE invested over the years in projects such as the International Terminal expansion, A380 capable gate, new car park at Domestic terminal. However, the biggest missing piece of the puzzle wasn't tackled by BAC which was preparation work on the NEW runway

I agree, BNE has done a decent job of passenger infrastructure with the international expansion and the new common user domestic pier, but without a runway it is kind of irrelevant.



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8074 times:

I expect the new parallel runway at BNE will need to be served by all new terminals. I would guess that the current international one would be the first on the chopping block, being in such an inconvenient place for aircraft operations, but you never know.

User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8022 times:

With the talk of the parallel runway, and from what I remember of the taxiways that will take the aircraft to the parallel runway, is the spotting position in BNE going to be lost ?


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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7921 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 145):

A new one has been proposed and will be built before Acacia St is closed.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 143):
I agree, BNE has done a decent job of passenger infrastructure with the international expansion and the new common user domestic pier, but without a runway it is kind of irrelevant.

When you compare the old International with the NEW I totally agree BAC have certainly been on top of the infrastructure minus the urgent 2nd runway.

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r687/pcl138/1a1bdb4cce49c84829a9e71bdd8ac5e9_zps562a6703.jpg

Quoting thegeek (Reply 144):

I expect the new parallel runway at BNE will need to be served by all new terminals. I would guess that the current international one would be the first on the chopping block, being in such an inconvenient place for aircraft operations, but you never know.

I doubt it if these images are anything to go by.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 145):

With the talk of the parallel runway, and from what I remember of the taxiways that will take the aircraft to the parallel runway, is the spotting position in BNE going to be lost ?

Hope this helps

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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7846 times:

another flight BNE/SYD today & yet another delay.

2 recent flights on QF delayed 1 hour & today on Tiger delayed 20 mins due to inbound aircraft circling BNE before they could land.

On arrival at SYD we went to terminal 4, the old Virgin terminal & were then bussed to terminal 2 for baggage claim which took a while obviously.

BTW-not much difference between QF & TT domestically except the passengers !!!


User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7836 times:

Great to see that Qantas is Australia's most on time airline again at 87+%. I must admit that I fly QF for many reasons and this is one of the important reasons why. Well done Qantas again!

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 148):
BTW-not much difference between QF & TT domestically except the passengers !!!

That's an insult to tell you the truth. Your comparing apples with oranges!

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 149):
Great to see that Qantas is Australia's most on time airline again at 87+%. I must admit that I fly QF for many reasons and this is one of the important reasons why. Well done Qantas again!

        

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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 445 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7614 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 145):

Let me answer this as i was one of 4 spotters taken out by a former BAC mgr to discuss the new viewing location.Anything on the western side of RWY 19 was out of the question.We suggested 2 spots and one was accepted.This location near the fire station on the eastern side of the airport was approved and this site has been approved into the masterplan .It will hopefully open in the next 2-3 years, but if not, it will be open before Acacia St(Loop Rd) is closed.The facilities will be excellent and will even better the new Perth spotting area. There are more possibilities as well but i wont discuss these now.

BAC appreciate and will look after the spotting community here, and the support we received was more than we ever thought.



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 445 posts, RR: 1
Reply 152, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7740 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 148):

700 movements at BNE yesterday with 650 plus on one runway only.54 in the hour 9am-10am.We are now the 2nd busiest capital city airport in Australia passing Melbourne.

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...ement-Financial-YTD-April-2013.pdf

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...vement-Calendar-YTD-April-2013.pdf



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 7709 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 151):

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 145):

Let me answer this as i was one of 4 spotters taken out by a former BAC mgr to discuss the new viewing location.Anything on the western side of RWY 19 was out of the question.We suggested 2 spots and one was accepted.This location near the fire station on the eastern side of the airport was approved and this site has been approved into the masterplan .It will hopefully open in the next 2-3 years, but if not, it will be open before Acacia St(Loop Rd) is closed.The facilities will be excellent and will even better the new Perth spotting area. There are more possibilities as well but i wont discuss these now.

BAC appreciate and will look after the spotting community here, and the support we received was more than we ever thought.

Thanks for the information eaglefarm4. From the fire station, I can visualise that it will be an excellent midway point giving excellent opportunities to view the terminals and orations (well better than what we have now to view the international terminal), but not many opportunities to see any low speed taxies (unless going to the maintenance hangers),

But in saying that, I would like to also thank B.A.C corp for looking after and considering us spotters in their master plan.



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 445 posts, RR: 1
Reply 154, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7705 times:

ZuluAlpha yes i am one who is extremely excited as you say we can see all movements into and out of the terminals except the GA .You will get a better feeling that it is a airport with all the aircraft at the domestic and international terminals all in view.This area will be just to the south and west of the fire station with the western aspect closer to the runway than acacia st, however the taxyways will be further away as they are on the western side of the runway.

Cheers.



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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 155, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7604 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 150):
Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 148):BTW-not much difference between QF & TT domestically except the passengers !!!
That's an insult to tell you the truth. Your comparing apples with oranges!

not really. What is the difference ?


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5473 posts, RR: 5
Reply 156, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 149):
Great to see that Qantas is Australia's most on time airline again at 87+%. I must admit that I fly QF for many reasons and this is one of the important reasons why

To be honest it is the ONLY reason I fly QF, at least it was initially. I have now grown to appreciate their professional and understated service, but back in the day I was one of those people that thought that QF were boring and lacklustre in comparison to DJ.

I have documented my string of bad luck with DJ in the past on this website so I won't rehash it. I'll just say some of it was operational (born out of shorter turn times) and a lot of it was down to sheer incompetence (the crew issues being my favourite example - and that was on VA not DJ).

More than just the fact that most flights I took with them were delayed, what really drove me over the edge was the way in which the delays were handled. DJ/VA's preferred approach is to delay for 30 minute blocks and hope that they have some good news 30 minutes later. One particularly memorable instance was CBR-BNE when we heard "Virgin regrets to inform passengers travelling on DJxxx to Brisbane, that this service has incurred a further delay of 30 minutes" from (catch this) 17:15-22:45! We finally departed at 23:10 Another one was the exact same message on VA CBR-SYD from 07:30-11:00, when they announced that the flight had been cancelled.

Sorry Virgin, you had your chance. Christ alone knows why I gave you so many opportunities to make up for your faults, I think it was because I kept saying "I love Virgin when I'm on the plane, it's just getting on the plane that's the difficult bit". But I'm never coming back. Never. Flying QF has shown me just how amateurish your two penny outfit is.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 152):
We are now the 2nd busiest capital city airport in Australia passing Melbourne.

Is that so?

Well that's FANTASTIC news     
Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 155):
What is the difference ?

Beyond the obvious (free drink and free checked baggage) it's the small things which you won't notice most of the time. Ontime percentage is one of them. The other is IRROPS handling, which QF is excellent at.

You can tell from my user name that I am somewhat partial to ULCCs, I have never had a bad flight on Ryanair, and I have a lot of respect for their business model. That said, I would never put them in the same sentence as BA because even though BA are practically down to providing an LCC product, those behind-the-scenes factors really come into their own when things go wrong.



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User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7587 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 156):
We are now the 2nd busiest capital city airport in Australia passing Melbourne.

Is that so?

Well that's FANTASTIC news     

I think this is when movements is counted. Actual pax numbers still favour MEL massively.



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 445 posts, RR: 1
Reply 158, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7564 times:

Yes i was always only talking about movements.There was never any mention of pax.

MEL is still the 2nd busiest pax airport and will reamin that way for at least the next 30 years.

Cheers.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 159, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7407 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 155):
not really. What is the difference ?

When was the last time you received a courtesy call from TT informing your flight has been cancelled & been rebooked on the next available flight? Free meal, coffee, tea, drinks, IFE (ipad streaming on 15 x B763 fleet). Should I continue?

No offence TT is out to provide those which can't afford the luxuries a full fare carrier provide & I certainly wouldn't be comparing it with QF.

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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 160, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 159):
Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 155):not really. What is the difference ?
When was the last time you received a courtesy call from TT informing your flight has been cancelled & been rebooked on the next available flight? Free meal, coffee, tea, drinks, IFE (ipad streaming on 15 x B763 fleet). Should I continue?

No offence TT is out to provide those which can't afford the luxuries a full fare carrier provide & I certainly wouldn't be comparing it with QF.

EK8413

on most QF flights you get a cookie or muffin not a meal.

With DJ now controlling TT they will not be allowed anywhere near peak hour on golden triangle but will give JQ a real run for their money on leisure routes + TT model might work on the Tasman on thin routes that neither DJ or NZ want to fly.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 161, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

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