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Top 10 Economy Classes Of 2013  
User currently offlinenicholasjet From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 60 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11980 times:

I am sure this is going to cause a huge amount of controversy, but what do you think about the news that the top 10 economy classes of 2013 have been announced?

http://thedesignair.net/2013/06/04/t...ir-top-10-economy-classes-of-2013/

10. Porter
09. Hawaiian Airlines
08. Starflyer
07. Virgin Atlantic
06. Qatar
05. Etihad
04. Singapore Airlines
03. Oman Air
02. Virgin America
01. Air New Zealand

I agree Air New Zealand should win, and that Singapore, Oman air and Etihad should be in. I guess it's like picking a needle in a haystack, but no Thai or Malaysian?

Which ones are missing/valid in your opinion?

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User currently offlinenicholasjet From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11980 times:

Yey, it's working again!

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11921 times:

Quoting nicholasjet (Thread starter):
Which ones are missing/valid in your opinion?

Swiss.

They should be in the top 5 economy classes.

I'd scrub Virgin America and put Swiss as the number two.


        



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User currently offlineHECA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11684 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Swiss.

They should be in the top 5 economy classes.

I'd scrub Virgin America and put Swiss as the number two.

Fully agree!


User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11579 times:

What - no, United, Delta or AA........shocking!!!!   

User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

I'm trying to understand why Virgin America is #2. They don't even fly internationally (with the exception of Mexico) and they don't have wide-bodies. Same goes for Porter. They are a regional airline. They shouldn't be considered.


Yes, Virgin America has a relatively nice product, but do they take service into consideration? If so, perhaps Virgin Atlantic would take its place as #2.



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User currently onlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11418 times:

I am sure Hawaiian got in based on their short-haul, inter-island flights; their long haul (I've been on MNL-HNL) is definitely nothing to write home about.

On the other hand, Ethiad was outstanding; if you've never flown them, rest assured they deserve to be on this list. Based on reports - I haven't flown Virgin America - the offer a very pleasant coach experience, and they probably earn kudos from passengers who are disappointed (a mild term) in other domestic carriers.

Thai and Malaysian? Thai isn't what it once was, unfortunately... and Malaysian never was. I'd have to put Korean and EVA as top contenders; the Asian airline industry is almost u universally top tier, but TG and MH aren't the best of them.


User currently offlineely747 From Slovakia, joined Jan 2013, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11400 times:

I would expect FR to make it to the very top            
Maybe next year ...

[Edited 2013-06-05 15:18:19]

User currently offlineb787900 From Canada, joined Sep 2011, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11374 times:

Interesting. I personally find AC, WS and DL to be much better than porter, hard product wise.

Quoting HECA (Reply 3):

Fully disagree. What's wrong with Virgin America? Their domestic flights are pretty comfortable, enjoyable and have above average customer care. In addition to that, most seats on VX have personal video screens (IFE). It is better than what Swiss offers on their intra-European flights. As far as I know, their A32X series aircraft do not have personal video screens at each seat. However, their long haul is pretty good. VIrgin America doesn't fly long haul.

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 4):

I see no BA, LH, AF, KL their either. So much for the wonderful Euro airlines...


User currently offlinemikeology From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11373 times:

I'd have thought JetBlue (B6) would have made top 10 as well

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9293 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11256 times:

Go Porter. I highly enjoyed them.


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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11228 times:

Quoting b787900 (Reply 8):
I see no BA, LH, AF, KL their either. So much for the wonderful Euro airlines...

I'm not surprised, the Euro airlines in my experience have been going backwards for a few years now in Y. Almost down to the DL, US, AA, UA level.

For TPAC I don't even look at US airlines anymore, I'll happily pay to fly SQ etc....looking forward to trying NZ this year. Looks like I might have made a good choice there as well  


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3131 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10980 times:

Given the following criteria...

Quote:
airlines around the world innovate and renovate their economy products to offer a point of difference and make them better than their competitors

and in particular...

Quote:
rated for giving the passenger the best possible experience, both from service and hard product in the air in an economy class

from...

TheDesignAir Top 10 Economy Classes Of 2013

It's gratifying, from the perspective of those in this part of the world, that NZ has come out on top. A little surprising, but nevertheless gratifying.

The surprise comes from my recent experience with NZ in short and medium haul Y class; domestically, across the Tasman and to the south Pacific. The seats-to-suit product has rendered Y inconsistent, parts of it like a full service carrier, others like an LCC.

And, anecdotally, in long-haul, 10-abreast in Y - on the 77W - is a squeeze for a growing (in height and weight) population. I guess the cuddle-suite may have helped in this regard given the criteria on innovation. I have only flown in Y+ on the 77W and this is worthy of positive recognition but not in this set of ratings.

I do believe that the service from NZ staff - on the ground and in the air - is fantastic though, ne plus ultra, congratulations!



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8189 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10664 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 11):
I'm not surprised, the Euro airlines in my experience have been going backwards for a few years now in Y. Almost down to the DL, US, AA, UA level.

You can thank the JVs for that. The product has to be the consistent across all partners and usually the worst wins out. Having said that, I still find the service of the Euro carriers to be generaly better than the US legacy carriers. I especially like the service of LX and TP. Very friendly, helpfull, and professional.


User currently offlinevegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10485 times:

Quoting HECA (Reply 3):
Quoting nicholasjet (Thread starter):
Which ones are missing/valid in your opinion?

Swiss.

They should be in the top 5 economy classes.

I'd scrub Virgin America and put Swiss as the number two.

Curious as to what you think makes Swiss a candidate.


User currently offlinesierra3tango From United Arab Emirates, joined Mar 2013, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10197 times:

Examining the judges details & the manner in which date is written (mm/dd/yyyy) this looks like a North American survey and as such is probably ? quite fair from that perspective, though quite how Oman Air got on the list is a bit of a mystery

It mixes SH & LH or maybe a better description NB / WB; quite how you compare SQ & Porter in any rational sense is challenging (to say the least), aircraft type, ave sector times, size of operations etc etc.

Looking from outside Nth America (been to 58 countries but never been to Nth America) it is interesting but not terribly relevant with 4 airlines operating mostly inter regional, leaving 6 which are pretty obvious candidates.

If you exclude NB only / regional operators I would delete Virgin Atlantic (my opinion) and add

LH/ BA/ Korean / Malaysian / QF


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17322 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10178 times:

And yet FR, NK, G4, and CM are making more money than any of them  . Even US and DL are more profitable...


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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9968 times:

No CX?

filler

filler


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 583 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9755 times:

I understand how they have been selected, of course I might nominate one or two more but I feel VS should not be there. It isn't the most pleasant economy class I have been in TBH and especially doesn't deserve a place on this list.


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User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9597 times:

Quoting nicholasjet (Thread starter):
I'm not surprised, the Euro airlines in my experience have been going backwards for a few years now in Y. Almost down to the DL, US, AA, UA level

I would tend to agree, but I find Swiss and Lufthansa at the top end, BA are bearable, AF better than expected, AZ alright SN, SK poor. But even on a 2 hour+ flight you're lucky if you get more than a coffee and a bun/sandwich.

I fly QF a lot and find their Y service is generally pretty good, long haul and domestic. Even on an hour long flight you get more in way of food and drink than you do on a 2 hour BA flight across Europe for example. I would say you get twice as much in fact, orange juice, water and coffee, plus cheese + biscuits, a cake of some sort, fresh or dried fruit, perhaps a small choc bar or oat/seeded snack on QF. BA you'll get a coffee and a small (about the size of a computer mouse) roll.
Having just got back from Australia recently, I would say their domestic Y service has improved (more hot meals, inflight entertainment etc), but return flight was a bit weak, but I won't judge them on one flight when the other 28 have been of a high standard.

No EK?? I though they were supposed to be the standard everyone aspires too!

I'm curious to know what anyone thinks of JL/NH .......(planning a trip to Japan next year all being well)


just adding...there's a similar post about the Top 20 worst airlines, there's a link then to the Top 20 best and needless to say very different results, so just goes to show how subjective this all is.

[Edited 2013-06-06 00:56:16]

User currently offlineDexSwart From South Africa, joined Aug 2012, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9485 times:

NZ has an excellent product.
Although, I'm surprised nobody brought up VA yet, they've got a very competitive product, with my far the most legroom I've ever seen for a standard Economy seat.

QF, as stated above by n729pa also has quite a nice product.

To make it slightly fairer, I say the list should've been split between long and short haul. Porter didn't stand a chance against some of those Middle Eastern giants or Asian mighties as well.



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User currently offlinequiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

Doesn't NZ have 10-abreast on the 777-300ERs? If so, that's impressive that they made the top ten, much less number 1!

User currently offlineafterburner33 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2012, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9220 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 21):

Doesn't NZ have 10-abreast on the 777-300ERs? If so, that's impressive that they made the top ten, much less number 1!

Yes, and they're going 10-abreast on the 777-200ERs as well...


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8820 times:

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 21):
Doesn't NZ have 10-abreast on the 777-300ERs? If so, that's impressive that they made the top ten, much less number 1!



Etihad at #5 also has 10-abreast on its B777-300ERs.


User currently offlinechrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8759 times:

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 6):
Thai and Malaysian? Thai isn't what it once was, unfortunately... and Malaysian never was. I'd have to put Korean and EVA as top contenders; the Asian airline industry is almost u universally top tier, but TG and MH aren't the best of them.

I along with many others would beg to differ. TG and MH were recently about the only airlines to offer 34inch pitch in Y class. MH has won best economy class on a few occasions alone.



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25 NobleRT : I have always been extremely comfortable in CX seats. I'm 6'1 and I always feel I have more than enough room and comfort. I would have loved to see CX
26 timpdx : I am a fan of MH, they should be on there on seat pitch alone. Etihad is pretty good, I found VA extremely cramped, but flew them last in 2002, maybe
27 aerokiwi : Yeah, and I was surprised to find it so very average. Sorry but without doubt SQ's soft and hard (ahem) product still comes out on top.
28 francoflier : The new seats might have made the list, but the previous generation hard shell no-recline torture devices they came up with are still flying around i
29 AirbusA6 : Give me an SQ A380 over a 10Y NZ 777 any day!
30 klwright69 : I took EY long haul several times. Nice inflight entertainment and the catering is a little better than average. Good flight attendants. But honestly,
31 ukoverlander : I think you just answered your own question. Last time I checked Mexico was an international flight from the USA.
32 sierra3tango : Very true the food's A1 good, but it ain't going to gain any traction here for obvious reasons
33 mixalakhs : Virgin Atlantic top 10 and not Air France. It is a joke.
34 alfa164 : EK gained its reputation for an excellent product up front, but its economy cabin is mediocre... at best.
35 nicholasjet : But aren't most economy cabins mediocre. If they were all amazing why would people pay extra for premium economy or business or even first. It's a dif
36 JBLUA320 : It says Virgin America's seat width is 19.7"... I've been on VX countless times and it's a nice product, but there is no way that seat is almost 20" w
37 reality : SFO > JFK isn't long haul? Say what?
38 330lover : For me, one should make a separate list for long haul and short haul! There is no good comparison possible between a 1 hr Porter flight and a 12 hr A
39 Post contains images 330lover : At around 5:30hrs, it's not long haul. More like medium. Or is there a set definition how long a flight has to take to become short, medium or long h
40 nicholasjet : I wonder how this equates to boeing vs airbus in terms of passenger comfort?
41 motorhussy : Don't mention the war! BTW, totally agree with a330lover, there is no way one can objectively compare long-haul with short-haul products (in any clas
42 aerokiwi : Why don't you just compare apples, rather than insert the AvB angle? An SQ77W at 9 abreast against an NZ 77W at 10 abreast... SQ wins hands down ever
43 BLRAviation : Have to second your statement. With the new economy, one would agree that CX should be up there. But the old product? Its quite uncomfortable.
44 Post contains links zkncj : This is why not http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-N...d=a6f947e714a3f39ae77f279cce8e6d87
45 BMI727 : This whole thing is silly. Rating economy classes is like rating gasoline: the differences are fairly trivial although sellers go to great lengths to
46 ZKSUJ : I agree with you. I know 3-4-3 777s are becoming the norm, but IMHO any carrier that touts themselves as being 'world class' should have the little c
47 BLRAviation : Just did SQ SIN-DME-IAH and return. Without a doubt one of the best economy class in the world. Marry that to the traditional SQ service, I truly am s
48 infinit : I don't believe in rankings anymore for Economy especially. What makes the highest ranked airline better than the second and third? We can go on till
49 alfa164 : Unfortunately for the, this wasn't a poll asking "Which airline has the most seat pitch?" It was a poll about overall comfort and service in economy
50 motorhussy : Have you flown NZ? And if so, in long-haul in Y? Just wondering why you're surprised, they consistently win awards for service. Agreed, although, to
51 Post contains links huaiwei : I cannot comment on TG, but I also disagree on your assessment of MH. Many Singaporeans long pampered by SQ are happy to fly MH precisely because the
52 ZKSUJ : Not for a while, we've slipped in recent years due to the degrading of our product. Sad to see really. But I still believe it is a decent enough prod
53 mjoelnir : I am missing Icelandair, if an only narrow body airline is accepted. Economy: Pitch is 32" and width is 19" (seat guru) individual video screens and e
54 ZKSUJ : I absolutely agree with you. The higher class economy products can beat each other on any given day, and it depends on customer perception
55 motorhussy : You'll have to ask the publisher of the article as I was quoting their criteria (as I stated). And buddy, I wasn't making comparisons on the merits o
56 BLRAviation : I haven't flown NZ, and defer to your experience with them. No a challenge but a logical question. ...... This then raises an interesting question. I
57 FCAFLYBOY : I'd disagree with FI. Nice airline certainly, but nothing exceptional in economy. BA/AF/VS economy is better, IFE is a letdown on Icelandair.
58 aerorobnz : NZ is good currently on the older 77E, but I have could feel the difference between the QR 9 abreast and NZ 10 Abreast seats and I was sick of being k
59 infinit : SQ pays well. A junior executive in SQ might get somewhere around S$3500 (US$2800) which is slightly higher than average. The cabin crew earn slightl
60 toobz : Maybe I'm misunderstanding..a junior executive earning 2800 USD is good pay? I know flight attendants at DL that make 3 times that.
61 mjoelnir : I do not know about VS, but I have flown with BA and AF narrow bodies recently, worse seat pitch and no IFE at all. If there are better cabins, than
62 aerorobnz : They have. VA, and CX. When you're a small airline lots of targeted individual partners makes more sense than one big airline screwing the smaller on
63 motorhussy : Strictly speaking, NZ don't fly the Kangaroo route as this links Australia with Europe via Asia. New Zealand is not part of Australia (we do not have
64 Post contains images DarkSnowyNight : Yeah, me too. Both hard and soft products here are far better than average. 34" seat pitch, on a non-Boeing narrowbody and free baggage ought to be w
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