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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 6  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14423 times:
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Due to length of the previous thread, here is part 6.

Previous thread: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 5 (by iowaman Feb 2 2013 in Civil Aviation)


Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14331 times:

Welcome to part 6!!!

It's been a while since I've been in Phoenix- Part 5 was started in February   

It's been kinda a slow news time for PHX, but oh well, at least the weather seems to be getting hot again   

In Japan, the weather is soooo humid...I almost can't take it!!

Some talking points-
F9 apparently not flying to AZA, per the updated schedule
Quite a few BA repos coming through PHX (POST YOUR PHOTOS!!!!)
AS starting service ANC-PHX
Anything else???

If you haven't yet, be sure to "LIKE" PHXSpotters on Facebook!!!!
https://www.facebook.com/PHXSpotter

Stay cool out there folks   

See you all in August too! 

PHX787



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User currently offlineosubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14253 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
AS starting service ANC-PHX
Anything else???

Great news for AS and the PHX community. I think this has been a long time coming. I feel like half the time I fly PHX-SEA a large portion of the connections are to ANC.

With DL closing MEM the rumor is that DL will be ending PHX-MEM. I remember not so long ago, 2010 or 2011 i think, that this flight was 2x A320/A319. Any possibility that US or WN fills in if the route ends? I know US used to fly this route with a couple daily CRJ-900s.

Also it appears UAs PHX-CLE will be back this fall down a frequency from 2 to 1 daily compared to last year.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 658 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14229 times:

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 2):
With DL closing MEM the rumor is that DL will be ending PHX-MEM. I remember not so long ago, 2010 or 2011 i think, that this flight was 2x A320/A319. Any possibility that US or WN fills in if the route ends? I know US used to fly this route with a couple daily CRJ-900s.

I think its only a matter of time till WN starts up MEM-PHX, even if DL stays on the route which probably isn't likely now that the hub is gone. I doubt US/AA will restart that route as they will have bigger fish to fry then a route that would only be on RJ's.



Allons-y!
User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2099 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14126 times:

Does anyone know why there's a KC-135 (or whatever the ANG calls their 707s) without a tail at the ANG base? I've seen it the parked over there last few weeks.

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 2):
Great news for AS and the PHX community. I think this has been a long time coming. I feel like half the time I fly PHX-SEA a large portion of the connections are to ANC.

Not only are people connecting down from ANC (there were a bunch on my flight tonight) but a few come from the North Slope. Lots of oil workers live down here and work up there.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14092 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 4):
Does anyone know why there's a KC-135 (or whatever the ANG calls their 707s) without a tail at the ANG base? I've seen it the parked over there last few weeks.

It has been without it's vertical stabilizer for a while. I was wondering the same thing, but I assume that the hangers are full an they had to send the stabilizer out for major repairs. I was spotting on t-4 and the strange thing is that the opening seemed to not be covered.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 3):
I think its only a matter of time till WN starts up MEM-PHX, even if DL stays on the route which probably isn't likely now that the hub is gone. I doubt US/AA will restart that route as they will have bigger fish to fry then a route that would only be on RJ's.

Agree, also if the new AA/US is going to be pulling down flights from PHX, I do not see them adding anything anytime soon.

I was checking out HA-35 and saw this tracking on flightaware. I know that it is notorious for being wrong, but this is totally different any the normal track. They must of found some serious winds as they flew up past Las Vegas all the way up to San Francisco and came in ahead of schedule.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/H...5/history/20130606/1500Z/KPHX/PHNL


User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14089 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 5):
I was checking out HA-35 and saw this tracking on flightaware. I know that it is notorious for being wrong, but this is totally different any the normal track. They must of found some serious winds as they flew up past Las Vegas all the way up to San Francisco and came in ahead of schedule.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/H.../PHNL

The flight path looks correct. If you look at the filed route it was via OAK:
CHILY3 BTY OAL OAK BEBOP BAART R464 BARAZ R464 BOARD R464 BITTA MAGGI3

Checking other days, they seem to fly to LAX and then out so you are probably correct in assuming that the winds were more favorable by flying north to OAK and then southwest to HNL.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14062 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 6):
Checking other days, they seem to fly to LAX and then out so you are probably correct in assuming that the winds were more favorable by flying north to OAK and then southwest to HNL.

Yeah, I have been on the flight a lot and have never flown that far north. That must of been a killer tailwind. Thanks for the info.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2099 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14012 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 5):
I was spotting on t-4 and the strange thing is that the opening seemed to not be covered.

It also didn't appear to be weighted or tied down. It looks really bizarre.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 7):
Yeah, I have been on the flight a lot and have never flown that far north. That must of been a killer tailwind.

Wouldn't the westbound flight encounter a headwind, not a tailwind?  


User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13977 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 8):
It also didn't appear to be weighted or tied down. It looks really bizarre.

Well, all of the engines were still on the frame, so the CG would be moved a little farther forward. I do not think it would require extra security to the ground. Heck, with our horizontal winds it may make it more stable than if the horizontal stabilizer was on the plane.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 8):
Wouldn't the westbound flight encounter a headwind, not a tailwind?

Oh dang, yeah....I had a brain lockup on that one..... I should of know that as I was on a UA DC-10 in the 90's that went from HNL to LAX in just over 3 hours. My dad asked the pilot what happened and he said that they caught a 180 mph tailwind, but that the flights going over were taking 6+ hours.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13817 times:

IFP is said to be increasing some charter flights, rumor says some serious Flint to IFP charters.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13702 times:

For whatever reason a DL 330 is on short final to PHX.

http://i39.tinypic.com/mwu101.jpg



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3013 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13682 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
For whatever reason a DL 330 is on short final to PHX.

Same thing showed up on flightradar24 the other night but it was actually an A320 or something, but a continued flight number from Dallas originating from, I believe, Italy? But it wasn't a A333, I know that!
Edit: Ok, I was a bit off. It's a 737 from JFK. But if you look at the link, you'll see the A333 into JFK.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL245

[Edited 2013-06-09 22:23:17]


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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13593 times:

WN plane diverted due to a questionable threat/package. I drove by the western end of the airport and DPS and Phoenix PD have the I-10 off ramp closed. The plane is parked over by the executive terminal.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...e-diverted-threat-device-abrk.html


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13569 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 13):

Runway 26 will be closed for at least another hour. Good thing the controllers have had plenty of practice with (effectively) single-runway ops...  



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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 13509 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 14):

Agree, they stated on the news that there was not an effect on arrivals or departures. I also heard that T-2 was basically shut down due to the fact that people could not get to the terminal. Shish.

My wife asked why the did not put it down someplace else and I simply said direct route and they wanted down now. I just do not understand the F-16 escort when it was a explosive threat and not a hijacking.


User currently offlineSevensixtyseven From United States of America, joined May 2011, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13499 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 15):

Wouldn't have it been better to divert to TUS?



Will that ex-HP 752 get delayed...again?
User currently offlinefutureatp From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13485 times:

I would think the reason it went to Phx vs tus or even aza would have to do with how timely law enforcement can secure the aircraft. Tuscon and mesa may not be best located to get the FBI there in force before the aircraft lands and the level of availability of local law enforcement.

User currently offlineRaventech From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13476 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 16):
Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 15):

Wouldn't have it been better to divert to TUS?

If I were to take a guess it would be a combination of the time you factor in the decent and approach it would end up being a wash or relatively little extra distance to go to PHX. Then given that PHX is a major hub for two major airlines (WN being one of them), PHX SWAT might be better prepared to deal with such a scenario than TUS SWAT would be given that there is a higher probability of it occurring in PHX.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7474 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13441 times:

Azcentral is saying that the f16s were not escorting the plane but rather were monitoring them.....?


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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13403 times:

I would think that an approach to PHX was a direct line for a flight between LAX and Austin. As if goes for LEO, I do not think that has/had much to do with it as there is a large FBI office in Tucson. AZA would be difficult as there would be no WN service there for passengers.

If it was only about securing the plane, Luke AFB would probably of been the best place to land. Saying that, I also know hat it would of been the last place that WN would of wanted to land. IMHO


User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13385 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 16):
Wouldn't have it been better to divert to TUS?

If you look at the flight data on FlightAware, WN 2675 was at FL370 NE of TUS when they made their turn. Since they had to loose quite a bit of altitude, PHX was a more logical option with a steady direct descent. To land at TUS would have required some circleing or a more rapid descent.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...5/history/20130610/2030Z/KLAX/KPHX


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3013 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13364 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 21):
If you look at the flight data on FlightAware, WN 2675 was at FL370 NE of TUS when they made their turn. Since they had to loose quite a bit of altitude, PHX was a more logical option with a steady direct descent. To land at TUS would have required some circleing or a more rapid descent.

All true. But you san see that the track then took it right past AZA/IWA and if they were in fact concerned about an onboard threat, getting on the ground and evacuating should be ASAP, right? Maybe Southwest and the passengers would be more inconvenienced, but you wouldn't have gridlocked a city or monkeywrenched a busy airport!



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13326 times:

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 2):
With DL closing MEM the rumor is that DL will be ending PHX-MEM. I remember not so long ago, 2010 or 2011 i think, that this flight was 2x A320/A319.

The MEM route was gone for a long time and recently came back this past winter. It was a Pinnacle airlines CRJ-900 flight during the day, then a 738, and now a A319/20. I don't know what the future has in store for PHX-MEM. Maybe the same fate as PHX-CVG?



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9345 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13295 times:

Allegiant folks gave a presentation at Cowen Securities today -- saying Allegiant is expecting combined AMR/US Airways to shrink in Phoenix, which will benefit their operation.

For what it's worth, flights to Mexico are on the agenda - aiming for mid 2014.



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25 dlramp4life : I think every airline could benefit from the merger if AA draws down PHX. WN for sure but UA, AS, DL, and G4 all will benefit.
26 PHX787 : That's why theres a lot of speculation that AA won't draw down PHX much at all. They would be pretty much losing out to other airlines.
27 Aztrainer : The only problem I can see is that the draw-down will be in PHX and G4 flys out of AZA/IWA. That would require people not originating in PHX to take
28 atcsundevil : There most certainly will be a decrease in service, the extent to which is of course speculation. I think it's safe to say there will be a 5% minimum
29 FutureUScapt : DL/NW has flown MEM-PHX uninterrupted for over 12 years.
30 osubuckeyes : On the way to work today I heard a report that a UA flight from IAH-LAX was diverted to PHX due to mysterious smoke in the cockpit. Anyone have any mo
31 Maverick623 : It was a 752, landed about 2:45 on 26 with one CFR vehicle on standby. It taxied to the gate under its own power, and cancelled due to odors in the c
32 Aztrainer : I was talking about elevating some of the pressure at LAX to move in the more profitable Trans-pacific routes. In reflection of saying that the farth
33 AllegiantFlyer : any updates on the Volaris thing?
34 Sevensixtyseven : Does anyone know the largest planes for domestic flights scheduled into PHX this summer? (I know about the daily HA 767, the BA 747 doesn't count)
35 atcsundevil : B757-200 (probably no -300s in the summer), A321, B737-900. US hasn't ever had scheduled wide body service (which is ridiculous, IMO), making the 752
36 treebeard787 : atcsundevil covered all the passenger flights I believe. There are several cargo heavy's, FX sends in MD-10s and A300s regularly, 5X usually uses a 7
37 wn676 : One of the ATL turns on DL is a 753, flight 1546 I believe.
38 PHX787 : The DL 763D is usually during the winter for a month or so. Of course we can always wonder about the merger and see if that spawns a larger airframe b
39 atcsundevil : Well, define "usually". DL used to have B763 service pretty much year-round until a couple of years ago when it randomly disappeared, then randomly r
40 dlramp4life : It should be back in November for holiday travelers. If a 763 comes in now it will be a equipment upgrade or sub. With DL taking two 763s out of stor
41 wn676 : If you're talking about US/AA, not a chance to Hawaii. Widebodies would kill margins with their current cost structure, which is almost certain to in
42 Aztrainer : Agree, why would they add wide body on flights that do fine with their 752's to Hawai'i. HA can fill a 763 because they only fly to HNL, but US is fl
43 Post contains images wn676 : Well, and HA only has widebodies...for now . US can also offer more frequencies with the smaller 757s which gives them an advantage in schedule. Comp
44 dlramp4life : I am not aware of any dates of when the A330 will be coming in or gate changes.. sorry
45 Aztrainer : True, but you also do not have to book a trip on US 6+ months in advanced to get seats with the people that you are traveling with you. I book 10 mon
46 Aztrainer : With the fire up in Prescott area they are bringing another DC-10 tanker from Pueblo, CO. This means that there will be two DC-10's stained at IWA/AZA
47 Post contains links BA744PHX : According to this document Volaris was approved on June 06 for GDL/MEX-PHX http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOT-OST-2013-0108-0002 But n
48 PSAJet17 : Does anybody know the registration number of the BAe-146/RJ-85 fire air tanker that is in Prescott working on the Doce fire? Thanks. Edit: Disregard.
49 Aztrainer : I thought that there are two up in Prescott?
50 Post contains images AllegiantFlyer : Hey everyone! As Hawaiian starts getting more deliveries of A330's I am wondering, do ya'll still think HA will send them over to PHX? if so what are
51 osubuckeyes : Went by the airport today and the departure level for cars on both sides of Terminal 4 were blocked off by police. Any word on what was going on, or i
52 Post contains images dlramp4life : Yes. But as of dates of when it will start or gate locations, I do not know. Possible A321 routes......hmmmm
53 Post contains links PSAJet17 : Possible suspicious item at Sky Harbor Terminal 4 Posted: Jun 24, 2013 12:59 PM Updated: Jun 24, 2013 1:01 PM PHOENIX - Police are investigating a pos
54 chrisair : This sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Gotta love when TV interns write copy...
55 PSAJet17 : All Clear given for Terminal 4. Appears to be a cooler that caused the concern. (Reported by local TV @ 13:20) I heard from another source that they e
56 atcsundevil : I'm not exactly an insider when it comes to BA ops, but a downgauge to a 777 would be news to me. They went daily from x6 weekly last December-ish an
57 Maverick623 : There was a rumor floating around a couple of months ago that it would become a 777 in July. It appears that won't be the case, as it's listed as a 7
58 PSAJet17 : Regarding the security scare at Terminal 4 today, the suspicious item was a cooler. What also knocked it up a notch was when one of the canines took a
59 Aztrainer : With BA retiring the 744, they have stated that they will be switching the LHR-PHX flight to a 777. What the timeline is, I do not know. That could be
60 atcsundevil : I thought the yields were good enough to support the 744. I guess the lack of downgauge would indicate that they are good enough. I'm assuming the ru
61 PHX787 : I heard its a 77W and will be from October......
62 Post contains links 93Sierra : There is an article in today's paper ( Az republic) talking about Frontier leaving Gateway and G4s Hnl flight being axed. http://www.azcentral.com/com
63 osubuckeyes : Spirit pulled the DEN route if I recall from the current OAG thread so doesn't look like that market faired to well out of AZA.
64 Aztrainer : Just read the article and I am not to surprised. While I do think there is a place for AZA/IWA, I really do not see it being effective until PHX is bu
65 chrisair : Forgot to post this last week when I flew out of here, but it looks like the tailless ANG KC-135 has its tail back. It's painted with the AZ flag. Loo
66 dlramp4life : PHX will be doing some serious development(it got approved correct?)over the next 8 years or so with the closing of terminal 2 and making a 15 gate co
67 AllegiantFlyer : as much as i am excited for the new concourse im also upset that right after a big building project on the airport (skytrian) another is coming in ac
68 treebeard787 : Skyharbor has always had construction going on in one form or another for the 21 years I've lived in the valley, and that trend seems like it will co
69 Post contains links 4holer : So what's the new Int'l airline at Sky Harbor? (Assuming Southwest isn't going International and are trying to be sly with a press release) http://www
70 wn676 : Volaris. There was a thread about their DOT application a few weeks ago.
71 Maverick623 : "An announcement at 4 p.m. will reveal the international airline addition at Terminal 3, said spokeswoman Deborah Ostreicher." This is why I don't lik
72 Aztrainer : I have a question about the placement in T-3. Is there a gate for CBP (Customs and Border Protection) checkpoint or is this a typical news reporting
73 Maverick623 : See my post above:
74 dlramp4life : No, there is no room to support customs in T3, the airport offices are on T3. The only places that I know have customs at PHX is T4 and South Cargo.
75 Post contains images wn676 : They could always send out a couple of guys with the CBP van to clear all the passengers on the ramp...
76 PHX787 : There's a fighter jet down at LUF today. Fox10 has a live feed.
77 Post contains links 4holer : http://www.azfamily.com/news/F16-fig...Luke-Air-Force-Base-213247641.html
78 Post contains links 93Sierra : http://ktar.com/?sid=1644983&nid=131 F-16 down near Northern, both pilots ok. Yesterday a Pinal County Sherrif Helicopter crashed near Casa Grande
79 Post contains links 4holer : Wish I'd known about this! It fllew right over me on the way out, but I was indoors! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/POT4109
80 Aztrainer : Agree, that is a very weird track, but it may be the typical error by flightaware. The sad fact is that I could see someone stating that this could b
81 treebeard787 : Not yet, Volaris hasn't released what the flight times will be or what the exact start date will be.
82 Aztrainer : Thank you for the response.
83 BA744PHX : Does anyone know when WS will release their 2013 winter schedule? Do you think its possible they could add YYZ, YUL or YOW from PHX?
84 Maverick623 : News reports are leaning towards a bird strike. I do remember not too long ago when F-16s were going down with unsettling frequency, and although the
85 93Sierra : Nice to see TuS getting some love from AS via OO Crj700 to PDX. Any update on Awromexico flying PhX to rocky point Mexico?
86 infiniti329 : How does the extreme heat affect commercial operations at both PHX and AZA?
87 Maverick623 : Mostly just weight restrictions (especially on the CR2s). However, I heard that the OO CR2s can't operate at or above 48C (about 118F). Luckily it on
88 atcsundevil : Generally it affects folks on the ramp more than the aircraft themselves. Temps on the ramp can exceed 150°F on really hot days like today. As Maver
89 AllegiantFlyer : wait,what,what? why am i the last to hear bout this? oes Puerto Penasco even have a airport? i need all details please! Oh and his is was off topic,b
90 atcsundevil : For those interested, the new issue of Airports magazine has a lengthy article/pictures on Phoenix-Mesa Gateway. There are a few errors and the center
91 Sevensixtyseven : Several OO and YV flights were cancelled today. One ELP-PHX flight diverted to TUS, and a YUM-PHX flight turned back to YUM (which I find odd, as it
92 PHX787 : My buddy tried to fly out yesterday and said that there was heavy rain- anything affected by it?
93 PSAJet17 : From where? FLG? Flagstaff received some heavy rain and hail yesterday...1.89". I could see a delay if they were trying to leave during the downpour.
94 atcsundevil : There was brief heavy rain near the airport yesterday but it was a spotty shower and wouldn't have affected the airport ops.
95 wn676 : As reported in the OAG thread, US is resuming service to MIA from PHX effective October 27th: US458 PHX-MIA 1450-2205 320 US433 MIA-PHX 0710-0922 320
96 atcsundevil : It's great that they're bringing MIA back, but it's a little annoying that they cut an FLL frequency to accomplish this. From the OAG thread: US PHX-
97 wn676 : True, although FLL service seems to have been waning over the past couple years. Now with an AA codeshare and the merger on the horizon, I would expe
98 aztrainer : I wonder if WN will start a single direct PHX-FLL? They have a lot of non direct flights, but no direct right now.
99 wn676 : They already do, flight 3684 x6 and flight 3862 on Saturdays. Edit: I guess those are nonstops, they do have a direct flight on Saturdays as well, fl
100 BA744PHX : Does anyone know what is going on with NK schedule into AZA? DEN was loaded back on 7/5 OAG thread but the current schedule doesnt show where the inbo
101 dlramp4life : Heard this week from a former F9 employee that Menzies will be taking over F9 ground services in September.
102 wn676 : Ick. We have some of the defectors from F9 over here, sad to see that airline heading in that direction. On a side note, how many different ground ha
103 dlramp4life : Swissport does fueling and cargo but no ground handling. IAS handles DHL at west cargo. DGS handles AS now.
104 wn676 : Ah ok, for as many times as I've been by T2 this month I guess I should have noticed that. Is Swissport doing BA cargo or is it Servisair? Not sure w
105 aztrainer : When AA moves to T-4 are they going to transfer AS, UA and Great Lakes from T - 2 to T-3? OR would they refurbish T-3 South with HA moving to T-3 Nort
106 dlramp4life : Swissport does BA along with DL,B6,AS,F9,and HA. They just moved into in a bigger warehouse right next to DHL. Interesting, I know when DL and NW sta
107 wn676 : After combined ops they might, though I'm not sure what provisions the new American might be bound to regarding furlough recalls. When those PHX agen
108 Post contains links AllegiantFlyer : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE230P whats this guy doing? i had no idea Winslow had a runway long enough to support a 319
109 wn676 : Looks like incorrect data. All PHX-DTW flights on US are/were operating as scheduled. It seems as if FA is tracking flight 239 which is due to arrive
110 aztrainer : What about the area's where the RJ's are using now? This would get the MD's out of the main alleyways with all of the 319's, 320's and 321's. That is
111 Mexicana757 : Volaris will start flights to PHX October 19, 2013. Y4 will fly GDL-PHX 3X weekly; Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays. No News on flights to MEX. Y4 97
112 Maverick623 : I assume that will change to a 1:30PM arrival / 2:45PM departure at PHX after the time change...
113 4holer : Today's storms provided some unusual overflights down here in Gilbert. Consecutive flights at 10K ft from NE cut a nice slice thru the overcast at the
114 Post contains images Mexicana757 : That's correct. Starting in November those will be the times.
115 PHX787 : It's safe to say this is operating out of T4 right? The Wiki page still says "TBD"
116 chrisair : Where else would it operate from?
117 Maverick623 : Yes. Probably B23, maybe B26.
118 93Sierra : T4 is the only CPB entry point, where else would they come in at? For being a former Phoenician you should know that.... Awromexico, British, Air Cana
119 Post contains images Maverick623 : There's a customs office on the South ramp... but I don't think that'd be a good idea
120 treebeard787 : Indeed. I remember when Air Canada parked at a United gate at Terminal 2 years ago, That's the only "International" carrier that I can remember not u
121 Post contains images wn676 : Air Canada and Westjet flights technically don't have to use international gates if they're arriving from a precleared city, but I think they do so in
122 dlramp4life : So if the new T3 south project gets approved could we see that area become the new home for the Canadian airlines?
123 aztrainer : It will be good to see another airline at PHX.
124 Maverick623 : It's possible that AC could move to be close to their *A partner UA (who would move there with AS, allowing T2 to be demolished). Since AA codeshares
125 aztrainer : I was also wondering if the move to T-4 by AA leaving T-3 South open with HA moving to the North. Then you bring UA, AS and Great Lakes over to T-3 a
126 PHX787 : I know I know, I was just making sure something else wasn't happening, such as the plane being towed to a different ramp.
127 PHX787 : NK to pull out of AZA and into PHX From the OAG thread:
128 stlgph : from their morning e-blast: Miramar, Florida (July 30, 2013) - Spirit Airlines (NASDAQ: SAVE) today announced that it is starting service from Phoenix
129 93Sierra : What terminal will they operate from?
130 PHX787 : News and Facebook saying T3 North fffffffillllllaaaarrrrr
131 aztrainer : My question would also be how many gates would they need. HA's single flight would tie up one gate until 08:00. The arrival is not an issue as it is
132 treebeard787 : NK will only need 1 gate for their service if it's anything like what they ran from AZA. I think NK will use gate 24 for their ops which leaves 25 an
133 aztrainer : I never thought about ZK moving over to T-4. They have the ground access with all of the RJ and CJ traffic. I thought that DL was handling the ground
134 stlgph : Times as shared on their press release Phoenix Sky Harbor — Dallas/Fort Worth 1:00 AM 5:10 AM 772* 0 Daily Dallas/Fort Worth — Phoenix Sky Harbor
135 chrisair : jetBlue is on the south concourse at T3. F9 is on the north side, gate 20, IIRC.
136 treebeard787 : T4 I think is the best place for ZK to go the more I think about it, there are plenty of stands at the B gates to park the Beech 1900 at, without eff
137 Post contains images SANFan : Good catch! These are the times showing in the NK booking engine so they are apparently correct. Which implies that there will be more happening with
138 PHX787 : Not sure of you guys saw this on PHX spotters but a BA 777 diverted to PHX the other day from Denver. Quite the sight. Photos on the Facebook page. Me
139 AllegiantFlyer : will anybody be spotting the arrival of president Obama today? I totally would but i have school to go to haha
140 PHX787 : He's back? Oh boy. I wonder what Grandma Jan will do this time hahah
141 93Sierra : Ill take grandma jan over pres bozo. TFR in affect today is affecting many of the smaller airports in the east valley. As mentioned in another thread,
142 dlramp4life : It would but also keep in mind there is also a commuter gate on T3 south by gate 2. Well 26 hasn't been used in about a year or so for DL parking. Bu
143 Post contains images AllegiantFlyer : can somebody pllleeeeeaaasssseeeee go up to GCN and take pictures of Vision Air 733's and the grand canyon?
144 Post contains images PHX787 : Spotters! I'm coming in on AS 638 today at around 1:30-2pm. Just a heads up
145 PHX787 : Anyone know when the BA flight is to switch to a 77W? I know it was supposed to be sometime this year but not sure when.
146 Post contains links treebeard787 : NK is adding MSP-PHX flights starting on November 7th. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/spirit...nonstop-minneapolis-172826565.html
147 93Sierra : Allegiant has added more service to Gateway... Fort Wayne, Indiana and Manhattan,Kansas. Total number of destinations served by Allegiant from Gateway
148 dlramp4life : Oh boy DL and SY will not like this.
149 93Sierra : Don't forget WN, they have more pax then SY on this route.
150 osubuckeyes : Don't forget US too. I wonder if there will be some ultra low fares similar to DEN particularly last January-March when F9, US, WN, and NK were all 4
151 Post contains images 93Sierra : I feel like an idiot for forgetting US! Thanks ( Who also flies more PAX than SY) And as mentioned above, G4 also flies to the MSP area via Saint Clo
152 dlramp4life : I was talking about the three airlines in T3 that will be flying to MSP. But yes this will be interesting to watch with US and WN as well.
153 Post contains images PHX787 : Man....I wish the MSP-PHX market was as wild as the PHX-CVG market I wouldn't be complaining at all about getting home Wasn't this also the case with
154 treebeard787 : F9, UA, WN, US, and NK will all be operating DEN-PHX. The change was F9 dropped the DEN-AZA service and NK will be moving it to PHX.
155 PHX787 : What's this year's expected upgauges from the airlines for the peak season? Yeah it's pretty saturated indeed
156 treebeard787 : The usual upgauges I'd expect. DL will probably bring in more 752s and 753s on the MSP, ATL, and DTW routes. US will probably put more A321s on the b
157 EA CO AS : Kinda-sorta PHX aviation related; AS recently moved their PHX Reservations Center from the former site just south of Ray on 50th Street in Ahwatukee t
158 Post contains images PHX787 : That's an interesting idea by AS. I flew them to PHX and I was pretty happy with their service Are you working from home or from the call center?
159 EA CO AS : "Yes." I'm part of the management team so I wear a lot of hats; I work from home some days, in the office on others, and occasionally have business i
160 chrisair : Didn't they move to the Ahwatukee reservations center not that long ago? They're a good airline.
161 EA CO AS : That was in August 2007.
162 Post contains links PHX787 : A new office building opened near PHX, with first tenants announced: http://www.4-traders.com/LIBERTY-PRO...Harbor-Center-in-Phoenix-17207358/
163 PSAJet17 : What does this have to do with KPHX? This building is on 7th St, south of the I-17 near the Salt River, it's not near or on the airport. Just wonderi
164 aztrainer : Probably because of the name alone "Sky Harbor Center". I agree as it is nothing more than a large warehouse/distribution center.
165 dlramp4life : Why don't they do something with the old FAA offices on the west end by the executive ramp.... At least has something to do with KPHX...
166 PHX787 : I got to thinking recently...where is the nearest hotel at PHX?
167 wn676 : 44th St. between Washington and the 202, and a bunch of motels along Van Buren. Aloft and Coast Phoenix are probably the most accessible, you also ha
168 Post contains images Maverick623 : I hear you can rent those by the hour
169 chrisair : Before I moved up here, I would split my stays between the Hampton Inn at 48th and Broadway in Tempe and the Doubletree at 44th and Van Buren. Ventur
170 wn676 : A few of them actually aren't that bad, but yeah, I know what you mean.
171 aztrainer : As a long time resident of the greater Phoenix metro area. That is one of the best comments I have heard on here.
172 PHX787 : It's interesting that PHX doesn't have an on-site hotel...CVG has one, and DTW's leads directly into the concourse! You know this is a common sight in
173 dlramp4life : Please explain why PHX needs an onsite hotel? There are alot of hotels within five minutes of the airport IN OTHER NEWS SY resumes ops today on T3 ha
174 ThomasCook : Heads up on 3 Qantas 747 charters next year; QF6032 16MAR14 PHX-SYD DEP: 2110 QF6030 16MAR14 PHX-SYD DEP: 2330 QF6031 23MAR14 SYD-PHX ARR: 1740 Thanks
175 Post contains images PHX787 : Woah woah woah where did these come from? You know, this is during my spring vacation. I guess I'll have to fancy a trip to PHX
176 osubuckeyes : Likely has to do with the Dbacks and Dodgers opening the season in Australia!
177 Post contains links 93Sierra : Sacremento state (after getting their butts whooped by Asu ) flew home from Gateway on Allegiant today. http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/KIWA/KS
178 93Sierra : Allegiant 1001 Oak to Iwa is currently diverting to PHX, was on short final to IWA then executed a go around and declared minimum fuel. Visability is
179 Post contains images AllegiantFlyer : I know what im going to be doing over my spring break This is really exciting, I wonder what these are for.
180 2travel2know2 : Visited PHX for the 1st time this week. No rail-link between any of the terminals and Car Rental Centre, but bus shuttle was fine. In US from LAS, out
181 Post contains links wn676 : They're for the MLB season opener announced back in June: http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/s...ndbacks-open-2014-season-australia Both teams have s
182 Post contains images PHX787 : Me too! I'll probably fly back to PHX from Japan~ Anything else effected tonight? That rail link should come within the next 7 years, as the SkyTrain
183 wn676 : We've actually had a few, I think '06, '08, and '09 we had multiple JL 744s. They would park them next to each other at B25 and 23. The last pair tha
184 Maverick623 : For US/USX: US 517 SJC-PHX to SAN US 659 SFO-PHX to SAN US 628 SNA-PHX back to SNA YV 2811 TUS-PHX to AZA YV 2835 LGB-PHX to AZA OO 2929 SBA-PHX to Y
185 93Sierra : Looks like Ameriflight 1067 did as well, LAS to PHX diverted to IWA.
186 4holer : I was watching the drama unfold on flightradar24 (flightaware was down it seemed) and in addition to the narrowbodies doing all sorts of spaghetti pat
187 aztrainer : I was in Chandler and there was not much lighting, BUT it was too damn close for my comfort. I saw a flash of light and did the head jerk and before
188 PHX787 : Someone messaged us on PHX Spotters saying 2 BA 744s were at T-4. Anyone snap any photos?
189 wn676 : They haven't arrived yet, BAW9289 from LAS was showing a 4pm arrival at last check.
190 aztrainer : I would take it that this was the diverted flight from yesterday and the crew timed out so they could not get into PHX last night? Would this mean th
191 Post contains links and images mach2is2slowaz : Any idea what was happening on this flight? US Airways 1857 PHX to CLT. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE1857[Edited 2013-09-11 16:36:31]
192 phx787 : UA brought in a 772 for the Lions whoopin' at the hands of the Cards the other day. Photos on FB.
193 Maverick623 : US has loaded the December schedule, and it appears that the A332 will make an appearance in PHX. US 746 19 DEC 7:59 PM CLT 10:29 PM PHX A332 US 744 2
194 Post contains links treebeard787 : That was a 767-400ER actually. http://phxspotters.com/forums/index....4.msg16732/topicseen.html#msg16732
195 treebeard787 : I saw that the other day, if only it was scheduled to arrive or depart while the sun's still up.
196 dlramp4life : Does US have any wide body ground equipment(k-loader, tow bar, transporters,etc..) in PHX? Should be a cool treat to see
197 osubuckeyes : Looks like they have the same schedule for the 18-19th. Do they handle the equipment for the BA 744? I would think they would use that or use DLs equ
198 wn676 : They sold their remaining widebody equipment to Servisair a couple years ago. Servisair has been handling BA since HP lost the contract over a decade
199 Post contains images PHX787 : I wonder why they're running the A330 into PHX.... this will be the first regular widebody service into PHX by US, right? Is this continuing on to Eur
200 wn676 : San Juan, PR via CLT. It's a through-flight both ways actually. Looks like US is in the middle of a schedule load right now though so it would be goo
201 SANFan : Sorry but I'm a bit unclear about this. I can't tell from any of the posts on this topic: is this a one-time r/t op'ing only on 19Dec-20Dec or is thi
202 treebeard787 : I don't know for sure, but I think it's probably only a temporary addition for the holiday travel rush.
203 atcsundevil : Almost certainly a one-off for the holidays. Airlines generally pull back on int'l flights around the holidays to provide extra domestic lift, so tha
204 osubuckeyes : Yep, looks like it is a two-off for the holiday rush. Operating the inbound and the ensuing outbound redeye on the 18/19th and 19th/20th. I wonder th
205 Post contains images YQBexYHZBGM : Fascinating. Looks like it could be FlightAware tracking errors, or perhaps multiple attempts to navigate through towering cumulonimbus and turbulenc
206 4holer : Spacing for ATC?
207 washingtonflyer : Very odd. I spent a day at PHX yesterday. Client meetings and then return to DC on the PHX-EWR red-eye. I always wonder how half the rampers don't ke
208 YQBexYHZBGM : Could be, but I've never seen zigzags like this. Why wouldn't they just circle? Also seems odd to have them hold over northern Louisiana, that's quit
209 Post contains links SANFan : Thanx for the clarification guys. Kind of tough -- for me anyway -- to read much into this other than a couple of isolated holiday equipment upgrades
210 mach2is2slowaz : Flight US Airways 1854 was about an hour behind and did a little bit of diversions around the same lines of thunderstorms but nothing quite as drasti
211 dlramp4life : Gate movement news in T3: B6 is moving operations to gate 26 NK will be using gate 25 SY also will be looking for a new home, I have heard it will be
212 wn676 : US typically already has two redeyes to CLT on the flex schedule (A321s) so your looking at an increase of 75 seats. It's equivalent to sending an ad
213 treebeard787 : Interesting, those moves make sense to me. An interesting fact, SY used gate 9 back in the 90s then they flew the 727s here.
214 sacampb : It has been cool lately considering this was officially the hottest summer on record.
215 Maverick623 : PHX has plenty of widebody qualified ground crew, not to mention that would violate the CBA.
216 dlramp4life : At US? When was the last time HP/US crews worked a widebody in PHX that wasn't a charter.
217 wn676 : The last CLT-HNL diversion back in mid-2010. Most/all of the equipment was sold after that. I wasn't the one who floated the idea...this came from a
218 Post contains images Maverick623 : Not everyone that works in PHX has only and always been in PHX. Indeed.
219 Post contains images mach2is2slowaz : Question for Canceled Allegiant flights at IWA, If A flight is canceled and it is a one time daily or twice weekly flight does Allegiant bus people to
220 Post contains links PSAJet17 : Suggest reading the thread at Allegiant Grounds MD80s Over Slides (by Logos Sep 20 2013 in Civil Aviation) From that post: Allegiant continues to add
221 dlramp4life : Wow.... Is there any way the union can file a grievance or are they on board with this idea also? I'm quite aware of that, it was just a general ques
222 Raventech : This is pure speculation but I bet they will allow it for this because if they forced the issue then they just would not do the flight. Cost of the r
223 mach2is2slowaz : I read that and thank you for sharing, but my understanding is that this particular issue is because of extenuating circumstances were multiple fligh
224 wn676 : It would be "fixed" by having a bunch of people come in on additional overtime to effectively sit around while the work is performed by a contractor.
225 sacampb : Allegiant will try to reschedule to another day such as Tuesday, Wednesday, or Saturday which are "no fly" days or just take delays. They will not bo
226 PHX787 : How many MD80s are sitting in AZA awaiting the slide checks?
227 atcsundevil : Which all goes into my argument that PHX isn't a real hub for US. People get all pissy and defensive every time I say it, but I can't recall a single
228 sacampb : 4 or 5. Allegiant just leased from Falcon Air, Miami Air, Ameristar, and SCX. I don't know the exact details but that is what I have heard.
229 osubuckeyes : It was only basically a net increase of about 75 seats. It only got noteriety because it was a 332 to PHX which doesn't happen too often. As the old
230 atcsundevil : * Ever. US has yet to utilize the B762, A332, or A333 on any PHX service. It isn't about a net increase or decrease in seats, it's about the airline
231 chrisair : In other news, it appears the Coyotes have gotten rid of their 727 and switched to a 757. I saw when I landed last week. PreCheck is coming to both T2
232 wn676 : Don't think so, they were selling as 20C/242Y.
233 treebeard787 : There were two Falcon MD-80s operating Allegiant flights at IWA this afternoon. N125MN and N836NK, otherwise it was all standard G4 A319s or MD-83s.
234 PHX787 : Is it in Yotes colors? Anymore info?
235 atcsundevil : I hope this is true. I got so tired of hearing one BS excuse/rumor after another from TSOs last time. They had the PreCheck banners up in T2 for a ye
236 wn676 : Yep, it's a slight variation from the 727 paint job. Photos are on the PHX Spotters FB page.
237 Byrdluvs747 : I haven't kept up with this thread for a while now. Is the AA move to T4 independent of the merger trial outcome? If not, how will it affect any UA/AS
238 atcsundevil : That seems a little bit stupid given their plans to rebrand next year to the Arizona Coyotes. I don't know if the logo and colors will remain the sam
239 Post contains links atcsundevil : Never mind...I think I just answered my own question. It looks like it's N757SS originally delivered to BA just over 30 years ago. It's no spring chic
240 dlramp4life : Its true. We were told about it last week. Master plan shows the South terminal will get rebuilt to a 15 gate concourse. But there is enough gate spa
241 atcsundevil : I don't doubt you or what you were told. In my experience with the government, I've become of the opinion that I'll believe it when I see it. It was
242 PHX787 : So any updates on the T3N gates? I heard they're doing maintenance on it now in anticipation of the HA move
243 chrisair : Do you know when it's supposed to be operational? Every time I asked last year they said T3 wasn't due for it. T2 was the one where it was promised (
244 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will be locked down for further contributions as part 7 has been created. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion. Phoenix Aviati
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