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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 6  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14585 times:
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Due to length of the previous thread, here is part 6.

Previous thread: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 5 (by iowaman Feb 2 2013 in Civil Aviation)

244 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14493 times:

Welcome to part 6!!!

It's been a while since I've been in Phoenix- Part 5 was started in February   

It's been kinda a slow news time for PHX, but oh well, at least the weather seems to be getting hot again   

In Japan, the weather is soooo humid...I almost can't take it!!

Some talking points-
F9 apparently not flying to AZA, per the updated schedule
Quite a few BA repos coming through PHX (POST YOUR PHOTOS!!!!)
AS starting service ANC-PHX
Anything else???

If you haven't yet, be sure to "LIKE" PHXSpotters on Facebook!!!!
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Stay cool out there folks   

See you all in August too! 

PHX787



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User currently offlineosubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14415 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
AS starting service ANC-PHX
Anything else???

Great news for AS and the PHX community. I think this has been a long time coming. I feel like half the time I fly PHX-SEA a large portion of the connections are to ANC.

With DL closing MEM the rumor is that DL will be ending PHX-MEM. I remember not so long ago, 2010 or 2011 i think, that this flight was 2x A320/A319. Any possibility that US or WN fills in if the route ends? I know US used to fly this route with a couple daily CRJ-900s.

Also it appears UAs PHX-CLE will be back this fall down a frequency from 2 to 1 daily compared to last year.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14391 times:

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 2):
With DL closing MEM the rumor is that DL will be ending PHX-MEM. I remember not so long ago, 2010 or 2011 i think, that this flight was 2x A320/A319. Any possibility that US or WN fills in if the route ends? I know US used to fly this route with a couple daily CRJ-900s.

I think its only a matter of time till WN starts up MEM-PHX, even if DL stays on the route which probably isn't likely now that the hub is gone. I doubt US/AA will restart that route as they will have bigger fish to fry then a route that would only be on RJ's.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14288 times:

Does anyone know why there's a KC-135 (or whatever the ANG calls their 707s) without a tail at the ANG base? I've seen it the parked over there last few weeks.

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 2):
Great news for AS and the PHX community. I think this has been a long time coming. I feel like half the time I fly PHX-SEA a large portion of the connections are to ANC.

Not only are people connecting down from ANC (there were a bunch on my flight tonight) but a few come from the North Slope. Lots of oil workers live down here and work up there.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14254 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 4):
Does anyone know why there's a KC-135 (or whatever the ANG calls their 707s) without a tail at the ANG base? I've seen it the parked over there last few weeks.

It has been without it's vertical stabilizer for a while. I was wondering the same thing, but I assume that the hangers are full an they had to send the stabilizer out for major repairs. I was spotting on t-4 and the strange thing is that the opening seemed to not be covered.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 3):
I think its only a matter of time till WN starts up MEM-PHX, even if DL stays on the route which probably isn't likely now that the hub is gone. I doubt US/AA will restart that route as they will have bigger fish to fry then a route that would only be on RJ's.

Agree, also if the new AA/US is going to be pulling down flights from PHX, I do not see them adding anything anytime soon.

I was checking out HA-35 and saw this tracking on flightaware. I know that it is notorious for being wrong, but this is totally different any the normal track. They must of found some serious winds as they flew up past Las Vegas all the way up to San Francisco and came in ahead of schedule.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/H...5/history/20130606/1500Z/KPHX/PHNL


User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14251 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 5):
I was checking out HA-35 and saw this tracking on flightaware. I know that it is notorious for being wrong, but this is totally different any the normal track. They must of found some serious winds as they flew up past Las Vegas all the way up to San Francisco and came in ahead of schedule.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/H.../PHNL

The flight path looks correct. If you look at the filed route it was via OAK:
CHILY3 BTY OAL OAK BEBOP BAART R464 BARAZ R464 BOARD R464 BITTA MAGGI3

Checking other days, they seem to fly to LAX and then out so you are probably correct in assuming that the winds were more favorable by flying north to OAK and then southwest to HNL.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14224 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 6):
Checking other days, they seem to fly to LAX and then out so you are probably correct in assuming that the winds were more favorable by flying north to OAK and then southwest to HNL.

Yeah, I have been on the flight a lot and have never flown that far north. That must of been a killer tailwind. Thanks for the info.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14174 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 5):
I was spotting on t-4 and the strange thing is that the opening seemed to not be covered.

It also didn't appear to be weighted or tied down. It looks really bizarre.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 7):
Yeah, I have been on the flight a lot and have never flown that far north. That must of been a killer tailwind.

Wouldn't the westbound flight encounter a headwind, not a tailwind?  


User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14139 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 8):
It also didn't appear to be weighted or tied down. It looks really bizarre.

Well, all of the engines were still on the frame, so the CG would be moved a little farther forward. I do not think it would require extra security to the ground. Heck, with our horizontal winds it may make it more stable than if the horizontal stabilizer was on the plane.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 8):
Wouldn't the westbound flight encounter a headwind, not a tailwind?

Oh dang, yeah....I had a brain lockup on that one..... I should of know that as I was on a UA DC-10 in the 90's that went from HNL to LAX in just over 3 hours. My dad asked the pilot what happened and he said that they caught a 180 mph tailwind, but that the flights going over were taking 6+ hours.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13979 times:

IFP is said to be increasing some charter flights, rumor says some serious Flint to IFP charters.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13864 times:

For whatever reason a DL 330 is on short final to PHX.

http://i39.tinypic.com/mwu101.jpg



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3032 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13844 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
For whatever reason a DL 330 is on short final to PHX.

Same thing showed up on flightradar24 the other night but it was actually an A320 or something, but a continued flight number from Dallas originating from, I believe, Italy? But it wasn't a A333, I know that!
Edit: Ok, I was a bit off. It's a 737 from JFK. But if you look at the link, you'll see the A333 into JFK.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL245

[Edited 2013-06-09 22:23:17]


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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13755 times:

WN plane diverted due to a questionable threat/package. I drove by the western end of the airport and DPS and Phoenix PD have the I-10 off ramp closed. The plane is parked over by the executive terminal.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...e-diverted-threat-device-abrk.html


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13731 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 13):

Runway 26 will be closed for at least another hour. Good thing the controllers have had plenty of practice with (effectively) single-runway ops...  



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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13671 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 14):

Agree, they stated on the news that there was not an effect on arrivals or departures. I also heard that T-2 was basically shut down due to the fact that people could not get to the terminal. Shish.

My wife asked why the did not put it down someplace else and I simply said direct route and they wanted down now. I just do not understand the F-16 escort when it was a explosive threat and not a hijacking.


User currently offlineSevensixtyseven From United States of America, joined May 2011, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13661 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 15):

Wouldn't have it been better to divert to TUS?



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User currently offlinefutureatp From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

I would think the reason it went to Phx vs tus or even aza would have to do with how timely law enforcement can secure the aircraft. Tuscon and mesa may not be best located to get the FBI there in force before the aircraft lands and the level of availability of local law enforcement.

User currently offlineRaventech From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13638 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 16):
Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 15):

Wouldn't have it been better to divert to TUS?

If I were to take a guess it would be a combination of the time you factor in the decent and approach it would end up being a wash or relatively little extra distance to go to PHX. Then given that PHX is a major hub for two major airlines (WN being one of them), PHX SWAT might be better prepared to deal with such a scenario than TUS SWAT would be given that there is a higher probability of it occurring in PHX.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13603 times:

Azcentral is saying that the f16s were not escorting the plane but rather were monitoring them.....?


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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13565 times:

I would think that an approach to PHX was a direct line for a flight between LAX and Austin. As if goes for LEO, I do not think that has/had much to do with it as there is a large FBI office in Tucson. AZA would be difficult as there would be no WN service there for passengers.

If it was only about securing the plane, Luke AFB would probably of been the best place to land. Saying that, I also know hat it would of been the last place that WN would of wanted to land. IMHO


User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13547 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 16):
Wouldn't have it been better to divert to TUS?

If you look at the flight data on FlightAware, WN 2675 was at FL370 NE of TUS when they made their turn. Since they had to loose quite a bit of altitude, PHX was a more logical option with a steady direct descent. To land at TUS would have required some circleing or a more rapid descent.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...5/history/20130610/2030Z/KLAX/KPHX


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3032 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13526 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 21):
If you look at the flight data on FlightAware, WN 2675 was at FL370 NE of TUS when they made their turn. Since they had to loose quite a bit of altitude, PHX was a more logical option with a steady direct descent. To land at TUS would have required some circleing or a more rapid descent.

All true. But you san see that the track then took it right past AZA/IWA and if they were in fact concerned about an onboard threat, getting on the ground and evacuating should be ASAP, right? Maybe Southwest and the passengers would be more inconvenienced, but you wouldn't have gridlocked a city or monkeywrenched a busy airport!



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 13488 times:

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 2):
With DL closing MEM the rumor is that DL will be ending PHX-MEM. I remember not so long ago, 2010 or 2011 i think, that this flight was 2x A320/A319.

The MEM route was gone for a long time and recently came back this past winter. It was a Pinnacle airlines CRJ-900 flight during the day, then a 738, and now a A319/20. I don't know what the future has in store for PHX-MEM. Maybe the same fate as PHX-CVG?



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9412 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13457 times:

Allegiant folks gave a presentation at Cowen Securities today -- saying Allegiant is expecting combined AMR/US Airways to shrink in Phoenix, which will benefit their operation.

For what it's worth, flights to Mexico are on the agenda - aiming for mid 2014.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13528 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 24):

I think every airline could benefit from the merger if AA draws down PHX. WN for sure but UA, AS, DL, and G4 all will benefit.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13531 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 25):
I think every airline could benefit from the merger if AA draws down PHX. WN for sure but UA, AS, DL, and G4 all will benefit.

That's why theres a lot of speculation that AA won't draw down PHX much at all. They would be pretty much losing out to other airlines.



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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13526 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 24):
Allegiant folks gave a presentation at Cowen Securities today -- saying Allegiant is expecting combined AMR/US Airways to shrink in Phoenix, which will benefit their operation.

For what it's worth, flights to Mexico are on the agenda - aiming for mid 2014.

The only problem I can see is that the draw-down will be in PHX and G4 flys out of AZA/IWA. That would require people not originating in PHX to take a cab or bus to IAW/AZA. Saying that I agree with dlramp4life that DA, UA AS and WN will step up and take the profitable routes.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
That's why there's a lot of speculation that AA won't draw down PHX much at all. They would be pretty much losing out to other airlines.

Well, to say that US/AA will not cut some flights in PHX will be foolish. I think where the interesting dichotomy could take place is the cost of operation in PHX vs others like LAX, & DFW. There will be only so much space at LAX and I can see it being the international destination for the airlines. That being said, could PHX see international flights. Yes. I can see PHX being the gateway for Mexico flights as that could take some of the load away from LAX and DFW. It will all be a cost analysis decision and what is/are redundant flights between the cities. IMHO


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13473 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
That's why theres a lot of speculation that AA won't draw down PHX much at all. They would be pretty much losing out to other airlines.

There most certainly will be a decrease in service, the extent to which is of course speculation. I think it's safe to say there will be a 5% minimum reduction within the first two years. I say this based on the diminished value of PHX to the new combined carrier (compared to the increased importance of other hub cities) and the reductions that took place in recent mergers' comparable cities (e.g. UA/CO, WN/AT, DL/NW). The majority of that gap will be filled, but most likely by LCCs like WN and G4. PHX won't be decimated ala CVG, MEM, etc., but the cuts will have a significant impact on the dynamic of the market.

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 27):
The only problem I can see is that the draw-down will be in PHX and G4 flys out of AZA/IWA. That would require people not originating in PHX to take a cab or bus to IAW/AZA. Saying that I agree with dlramp4life that DA, UA AS and WN will step up and take the profitable routes.

I agree, because G4's growth is mainly from its creation of the ULCC market in the East Valley, but probably won't be significantly boosted by an AA/US drawback and rather from its own continued expansion. Their future growth may capture some of the market from from those who live in the immediate area (Mesa, Gilbert, Chandler, QC, etc.), but to think that they'll somehow be able to capitalize on any significant number of pax who live in Phoenix and the West Valley is a pipe dream. Like you say, a reduction from AA/US will result in increased business for UA, DL, and in particular WN.

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 27):
Well, to say that US/AA will not cut some flights in PHX will be foolish. I think where the interesting dichotomy could take place is the cost of operation in PHX vs others like LAX, & DFW. There will be only so much space at LAX and I can see it being the international destination for the airlines. That being said, could PHX see international flights. Yes. I can see PHX being the gateway for Mexico flights as that could take some of the load away from LAX and DFW. It will all be a cost analysis decision and what is/are redundant flights between the cities. IMHO

I agree with the first part but you lost me towards the end. I personally don't think PHX can compete on any significant level for Mexico/LATAM service against IAH, MIA, and the obvious AA hubs in DFW and LAX. Mexico and LATAM are expanding markets, but service from PHX to Mexico has traditionally been weak...which is completely illogical to me but that's beside the point. I don't think AA/US will be willing to attempt to put forth the effort to build PHX into a Mexico gateway, but that's of course my opinion. If they were, I would have thought US would have already done so.


User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13407 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 23):
The MEM route was gone for a long time and recently came back this past winter. It was a Pinnacle airlines CRJ-900 flight during the day, then a 738, and now a A319/20

DL/NW has flown MEM-PHX uninterrupted for over 12 years.


User currently offlineosubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13353 times:

On the way to work today I heard a report that a UA flight from IAH-LAX was diverted to PHX due to mysterious smoke in the cockpit. Anyone have any more info on this or what type of aircraft it was?

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13328 times:

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 30):
Anyone have any more info on this or what type of aircraft it was?

It was a 752, landed about 2:45 on 26 with one CFR vehicle on standby. It taxied to the gate under its own power, and cancelled due to odors in the cabin.

Likely a pack failure leading to a dirty sock smell.



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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13325 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 28):
I agree with the first part but you lost me towards the end. I personally don't think PHX can compete on any significant level for Mexico/LATAM service against IAH, MIA, and the obvious AA hubs in DFW and LAX. Mexico and LATAM are expanding markets, but service from PHX to Mexico has traditionally been weak...which is completely illogical to me but that's beside the point. I don't think AA/US will be willing to attempt to put forth the effort to build PHX into a Mexico gateway, but that's of course my opinion. If they were, I would have thought US would have already done so.

I was talking about elevating some of the pressure at LAX to move in the more profitable Trans-pacific routes. In reflection of saying that the farthest west that US currently flys is Hawai'i, so that may be a very illogical point. I just wonder at what point does LAX reach capacity and becomes financially too high to operate. Other have stated that they could see US moving the Hawai'i flight to LAX, but I think that they will stay in PHX as they have proven to be very successful and profitable where they are and it would not add other flights into a saturated LAX to Hawai'i routes.

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 30):
n the way to work today I heard a report that a UA flight from IAH-LAX was diverted to PHX due to mysterious smoke in the cockpit. Anyone have any more info on this or what type of aircraft it was?

This occurred yesterday (From AZcentral)


A Los Angeles-bound flight made an emergency landing in Phoenix on Wednesday afternoon after smoke was found in the cockpit, according to a spokesman from Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport.

United Airlines flight 468 landed in Phoenix safely about 2:45 p.m., and maintenance crews are inspecting the plane, a spokesman for United Airlines said.

It was unclear what caused the smoke.

The flight was headed to Los Angeles from Houston. United Airlines is trying to get the passengers on another flight this evening, the airline spokesperson said.


User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13218 times:

any updates on the Volaris thing?

User currently offlineSevensixtyseven From United States of America, joined May 2011, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13088 times:

Does anyone know the largest planes for domestic flights scheduled into PHX this summer? (I know about the daily HA 767, the BA 747 doesn't count)


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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13044 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 34):
Does anyone know the largest planes for domestic flights scheduled into PHX this summer? (I know about the daily HA 767, the BA 747 doesn't count)

B757-200 (probably no -300s in the summer), A321, B737-900.

US hasn't ever had scheduled wide body service (which is ridiculous, IMO), making the 752/321 the largest aircraft they've ever operated and currently operate from PHX.

DL seasonally operates with a B767-300, although I think that went away some time ago and I don't think has operated in the summer. The 757-300 is common in the spring/fall but, as far as I know, does not operate during the summer season. They also send the occasional A330, but mostly in the spring/fall and it is usually a last minute upgauge rather than scheduled service.

UA used to sub the odd wide body, but its been a long time. Like DL, they still operate the B757-200 regularly and last year had occasional -300 service. B737-900s are very common.

AA and WN don't operate anything larger than the B737-800. AS has -800s and occasional -900s, I think.

I'm pretty sure that covers it. Hopefully that helps.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13005 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 34):
Does anyone know the largest planes for domestic flights scheduled into PHX this summer? (I know about the daily HA 767, the BA 747 doesn't count)

atcsundevil covered all the passenger flights I believe. There are several cargo heavy's, FX sends in MD-10s and A300s regularly, 5X usually uses a 763 and ABX/DHL typically use a 762.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12948 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 35):

One of the ATL turns on DL is a 753, flight 1546 I believe.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12938 times:

The DL 763D is usually during the winter for a month or so.

Of course we can always wonder about the merger and see if that spawns a larger airframe being sent to Hawaii or Alaska.



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12924 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 38):
The DL 763D is usually during the winter for a month or so.

Well, define "usually". DL used to have B763 service pretty much year-round until a couple of years ago when it randomly disappeared, then randomly reappeared, then randomly disappeared again. For the past 2-3 years its kinda seemed like a crapshoot to me.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12895 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 38):
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 39):

It should be back in November for holiday travelers. If a 763 comes in now it will be a equipment upgrade or sub. With DL taking two 763s out of storage maybe PHX will be lucky to see some more regular widebody service which is always a nice sight to see as a traveler and employee.

Also do keep in mind that HA A330s will be soon be a common sight in PHX.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12865 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 38):
[Of course we can always wonder about the merger and see if that spawns a larger airframe being sent to Hawaii or Alaska.

If you're talking about US/AA, not a chance to Hawaii. Widebodies would kill margins with their current cost structure, which is almost certain to increase after the merger. And why Alaska? The largest plane ANC has supported for the last 5 or so years is a 320, and has only sporadically seen a second daily flight.



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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12828 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 41):
If you're talking about US/AA, not a chance to Hawaii. Widebodies would kill margins with their current cost structure, which is almost certain to increase after the merger. And why Alaska? The largest plane ANC has supported for the last 5 or so years is a 320, and has only sporadically seen a second daily flight.

Agree, why would they add wide body on flights that do fine with their 752's to Hawai'i. HA can fill a 763 because they only fly to HNL, but US is flying to HNL, LHU, OGG, and KOA

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 40):
Also do keep in mind that HA A330s will be soon be a common sight in PHX.

Well, I have a booked flight going out on December 21st and coming back on December 28th and it states it still is a 763. Do you know if they are going to swap gates before they start to fly the A330 into PHX?

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 36):
There are several cargo heavy's, FX sends in MD-10s and A300s regularly, 5X usually uses a 763 and ABX/DHL typically use a 762.

You are correct, but you forgot that FX also flys the MD-11


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12798 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 42):
HA can fill a 763 because they only fly to HNL, but US is flying to HNL, LHU, OGG, and KOA

Well, and HA only has widebodies...for now  . US can also offer more frequencies with the smaller 757s which gives them an advantage in schedule. Compare their schedule this December, when they're flying 4 daily to HNL versus HA's single flight. I don't think this trend to smaller aircraft will reverse itself anytime soon.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12728 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 42):
Well, I have a booked flight going out on December 21st and coming back on December 28th and it states it still is a 763. Do you know if they are going to swap gates before they start to fly the A330 into PHX?

I am not aware of any dates of when the A330 will be coming in or gate changes.. sorry



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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12714 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 43):
Well, and HA only has widebodies...for now . US can also offer more frequencies with the smaller 757s which gives them an advantage in schedule.

True, but you also do not have to book a trip on US 6+ months in advanced to get seats with the people that you are traveling with you. I book 10 months in advanced and they are normally at 30 - 40% occupancy at that time.

Thanks for the info that you know about HA. Also remember to drink a lot of water out on the ramp.


User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 12585 times:

With the fire up in Prescott area they are bringing another DC-10 tanker from Pueblo, CO.

This means that there will be two DC-10's stained at IWA/AZA


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 12557 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 33):
any updates on the Volaris thing?

According to this document Volaris was approved on June 06 for GDL/MEX-PHX
http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOT-OST-2013-0108-0002

But no announcement as of today


User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12429 times:

Does anybody know the registration number of the BAe-146/RJ-85 fire air tanker that is in Prescott working on the Doce fire?

Thanks.

Edit: Disregard. I located the info I needed. It is N146FF.

Thanks.

[Edited 2013-06-19 17:50:23]

User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12338 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 48):

I thought that there are two up in Prescott?


User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12259 times:

Hey everyone!  

As Hawaiian starts getting more deliveries of A330's I am wondering, do ya'll still think HA will send them over to PHX? if so what are your predictions? also im not sure but i think i remember reading somewhere that the BA 744 will be down graded to the tripple 7, was this real or am I daydreaming again? if so please tell me so i can wake up! hahah see everyone on the flip side.


User currently offlineosubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12238 times:

Went by the airport today and the departure level for cars on both sides of Terminal 4 were blocked off by police. Any word on what was going on, or if it was scheduled?

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12231 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 50):
As Hawaiian starts getting more deliveries of A330's I am wondering, do ya'll still think HA will send them over to PHX?

Yes. But as of dates of when it will start or gate locations, I do not know.

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 42):
HA can fill a 763 because they only fly to HNL, but US is flying to HNL, LHU, OGG, and KOA

Possible A321 routes......hmmmm  



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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12193 times:

Possible suspicious item at Sky Harbor Terminal 4
Posted: Jun 24, 2013 12:59 PM Updated: Jun 24, 2013 1:01 PM

PHOENIX -

Police are investigating a possible suspicious item at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport's Terminal 4.

The ticket counter has been cleared and will remain that way until the situation is resolved.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/22672828/2013/06/24/terminal-4-phx


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12191 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 53):
The ticket counter has been cleared and will remain that way until the situation is resolved.

This sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Gotta love when TV interns write copy...


User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12184 times:

All Clear given for Terminal 4. Appears to be a cooler that caused the concern. (Reported by local TV @ 13:20)


I heard from another source that they evacuated employees and customers from Level 2 (Ticket Counters) of Terminal 4 and also restricted vehicular access to the upper driveway (outside Level 2).

[Edited 2013-06-24 13:26:50]

User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12149 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 50):
also im not sure but i think i remember reading somewhere that the BA 744 will be down graded to the tripple 7, was this real or am I daydreaming again?

I'm not exactly an insider when it comes to BA ops, but a downgauge to a 777 would be news to me. They went daily from x6 weekly last December-ish and have been operating with a 744 throughout. I can't recall a 777 having operating LHR-PHX in in many years.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12123 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 56):

I'm not exactly an insider when it comes to BA ops, but a downgauge to a 777 would be news to me.

There was a rumor floating around a couple of months ago that it would become a 777 in July.

It appears that won't be the case, as it's listed as a 744 in Sabre.



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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12095 times:

Regarding the security scare at Terminal 4 today, the suspicious item was a cooler. What also knocked it up a notch was when one of the canines took a hit on the trash bin where the cooler was located.

Seems the cooler had both chill and warm packs inside and a canine officer mentioned that the chemicals in those packs will sometimes attract the animals.


User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12115 times:

With BA retiring the 744, they have stated that they will be switching the LHR-PHX flight to a 777. What the timeline is, I do not know.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 52):
Possible A321 routes......hmmmm

That could be possible, but I do not know if HA was planing on going this far west due to the heat during the summer. I thought that the 321 NEO was going to hit the LAX, SFO, SAN, OAK, SEA, San Jose and Portland. I know Airbus states that the 321 NEO has the legs to go that far, but the winds will have to be calculated in. Saying that, I would not mind taking HA direct from PHX to OGG, KOA, or LIH rather than going through HNL.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 50):
Hey everyone!

As Hawaiian starts getting more deliveries of A330's I am wondering, do ya'll still think HA will send them over to PHX? if so what are your predictions?

Well, I have a flight in December and it still states a 763, so I think it will be some time now as they are expanding and need the 330's on other routes. I hope they change it, but it is a wait and see right now....


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12053 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 57):
There was a rumor floating around a couple of months ago that it would become a 777 in July.

I thought the yields were good enough to support the 744. I guess the lack of downgauge would indicate that they are good enough. I'm assuming the rumors must have come from the service now being daily year-round?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 61, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12051 times:

I heard its a 77W and will be from October......


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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11992 times:

There is an article in today's paper ( Az republic) talking about Frontier leaving Gateway and G4s Hnl flight being axed.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...ateway-airport-takes-big-hits.html

I wonder how spirits numbers have done


User currently offlineosubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11972 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 62):
I wonder how spirits numbers have done

Spirit pulled the DEN route if I recall from the current OAG thread so doesn't look like that market faired to well out of AZA.


User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 11911 times:

Just read the article and I am not to surprised. While I do think there is a place for AZA/IWA, I really do not see it being effective until PHX is built out. My question is why do they not try to draw more businesses like Cessna, Bombardier, and Boeing? There is so much room around the airport for growth.

I also think it would be a good place for Cargo aircraft, but they have a good thing at PHX with its central location and easy access to I-10, I-17, AZ-51, and AZ-202


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 11899 times:

Forgot to post this last week when I flew out of here, but it looks like the tailless ANG KC-135 has its tail back. It's painted with the AZ flag. Looked really cool in the early morning light.

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 11922 times:

PHX will be doing some serious development(it got approved correct?)over the next 8 years or so with the closing of terminal 2 and making a 15 gate concourse on T3 south. It would not be a shock to me if G4 and NK move their ops to sky harbor.


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User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 11901 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 66):
PHX will be doing some serious development(it got approved correct?)over the next 8 years or so with the closing of terminal 2 and making a 15 gate concourse on T3 south. It would not be a shock to me if G4 and NK move their ops to sky harbor.

as much as i am excited for the new concourse im also upset that right after a big building project on the airport (skytrian) another is coming in action. Although it is exciting when they get complete, the years it is getting worked on make it hard and confusing for passengers,not only that but all their tarps and building material make the place look really ugly. there is nothing more annoying that driving with a ton of traffic cones in the street,let alone this project will be 8 years! that's a lot hahhaha. cant wait till it gets complete!


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (1 year 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 11888 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 67):
as much as i am excited for the new concourse im also upset that right after a big building project on the airport (skytrian) another is coming in action. Although it is exciting when they get complete, the years it is getting worked on make it hard and confusing for passengers,not only that but all their tarps and building material make the place look really ugly. there is nothing more annoying that driving with a ton of traffic cones in the street,let alone this project will be 8 years! that's a lot hahhaha. cant wait till it gets complete!

Skyharbor has always had construction going on in one form or another for the 21 years I've lived in the valley, and that trend seems like it will continue.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3032 posts, RR: 9
Reply 69, posted (1 year 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 11883 times:

So what's the new Int'l airline at Sky Harbor? (Assuming Southwest isn't going International and are trying to be sly with a press release)
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...r-to-get-new-international-airline
Edit typo

[Edited 2013-06-25 14:30:47]


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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 70, posted (1 year 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 11858 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 69):

Volaris. There was a thread about their DOT application a few weeks ago.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 71, posted (1 year 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 11856 times:

"An announcement at 4 p.m. will reveal the international airline addition at Terminal 3, said spokeswoman Deborah Ostreicher."

This is why I don't like using ABC15.com. Their writers are atrocious at clarity.

The announcement will take place at T3, obviously Volaris will operate out of T4.



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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (1 year 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 11831 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 71):
"An announcement at 4 p.m. will reveal the international airline addition at Terminal 3, said spokeswoman Deborah Ostreicher."

I have a question about the placement in T-3. Is there a gate for CBP (Customs and Border Protection) checkpoint or is this a typical news reporting the wrong terminal?


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 73, posted (1 year 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 11802 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 72):

I have a question about the placement in T-3. Is there a gate for CBP (Customs and Border Protection) checkpoint or is this a typical news reporting the wrong terminal?

See my post above:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 71):
The announcement will take place at T3, obviously Volaris will operate out of T4.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (1 year 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 11803 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 72):
I have a question about the placement in T-3. Is there a gate for CBP (Customs and Border Protection) checkpoint or is this a typical news reporting the wrong terminal?

No, there is no room to support customs in T3, the airport offices are on T3. The only places that I know have customs at PHX is T4 and South Cargo.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 75, posted (1 year 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 11756 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 74):
No, there is no room to support customs in T3

They could always send out a couple of guys with the CBP van to clear all the passengers on the ramp...   



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 76, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11578 times:

There's a fighter jet down at LUF today. Fox10 has a live feed.


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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3032 posts, RR: 9
Reply 77, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11592 times:

http://www.azfamily.com/news/F16-fig...Luke-Air-Force-Base-213247641.html


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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11581 times:

http://ktar.com/?sid=1644983&nid=131

F-16 down near Northern, both pilots ok. Yesterday a Pinal County Sherrif Helicopter crashed near Casa Grande with 3 on board.

Does anybody know if anything new is going on at Tus or IFP? I've been seeing more and more Suncountry and Republic flights into IFP and I thought this was the slow season.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3032 posts, RR: 9
Reply 79, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11499 times:

Wish I'd known about this! It fllew right over me on the way out, but I was indoors! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/POT4109


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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11481 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 79):
Wish I'd known about this! It fllew right over me on the way out, but I was indoors! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/P...T4109

Agree, that is a very weird track, but it may be the typical error by flightaware.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 75):
They could always send out a couple of guys with the CBP van to clear all the passengers on the ramp...

The sad fact is that I could see someone stating that this could be a logical idea. Does anyone know what time the flights will arrive and depart?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 76):
There's a fighter jet down at LUF today. Fox10 has a live feed.

All F-16's are grounded until further notice. I heard that the men at the fire station heard loud bangs before the plane went down. I wonder if this will be a bird strike.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11474 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 80):
The sad fact is that I could see someone stating that this could be a logical idea. Does anyone know what time the flights will arrive and depart?

Not yet, Volaris hasn't released what the flight times will be or what the exact start date will be.



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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11431 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 81):
Not yet, Volaris hasn't released what the flight times will be or what the exact start date will be.

Thank you for the response.


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11372 times:

Does anyone know when WS will release their 2013 winter schedule? Do you think its possible they could add YYZ, YUL or YOW from PHX?

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 84, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11364 times:

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 80):
All F-16's are grounded until further notice. I heard that the men at the fire station heard loud bangs before the plane went down. I wonder if this will be a bird strike.

News reports are leaning towards a bird strike.

I do remember not too long ago when F-16s were going down with unsettling frequency, and although the problem was fixed, probably best to ground the fleet until the cause is determined.



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11308 times:

Nice to see TuS getting some love from AS via OO Crj700 to PDX. Any update on Awromexico flying PhX to rocky point Mexico?

User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11217 times:

How does the extreme heat affect commercial operations at both PHX and AZA?

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 87, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11211 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 86):
How does the extreme heat affect commercial operations at both PHX and AZA?

Mostly just weight restrictions (especially on the CR2s).

However, I heard that the OO CR2s can't operate at or above 48C (about 118F). Luckily it only topped out at 47C at 330pm, followed by a quick drop to 46C due to cloud cover


More takeoffs than normal on 8/26 today... PHX switched to east flow (8s and 7s) about 4PM or so.



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 88, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11165 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 86):
How does the extreme heat affect commercial operations at both PHX and AZA?

Generally it affects folks on the ramp more than the aircraft themselves. Temps on the ramp can exceed 150°F on really hot days like today. As Maverick said, the CRJ2s really struggle because they're underpowered on a good day, much less in >40°C temps. Airbus sometimes have a slower-than-usual climb because they tend to be fairly underpowered as well (compared to the equivalent Boeings). Some aircraft do request 8/26 and seem to use every inch of the 11,489ft of concrete, but most are able to depart unrestricted.

There used to be a greater affect years ago than there is today. NW's old DC-9s used to have a hell of a time getting out of here. They used to run it to MEM and would often have to stop to refuel. That's why several years back they switched to all Airbus/757.


User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11137 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 85):

Nice to see TuS getting some love from AS via OO Crj700 to PDX. Any update on Awromexico flying PhX to rocky point Mexico?

wait,what,what? why am i the last to hear bout this? oes Puerto Penasco even have a airport? i need all details please!

Oh and his is was off topic,but i cannot wait to tan in the 119 F weather. woot woot.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 90, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11082 times:

For those interested, the new issue of Airports magazine has a lengthy article/pictures on Phoenix-Mesa Gateway. There are a few errors and the centerpiece picture is OLD (circa 2007ish), but it's great exposure for the airport.

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 89):
Oh and his is was off topic,but i cannot wait to tan in the 119 F weather. woot woot.

There is a distinct difference between tanning and baking, and at these temps, you'll definitely be baking!


User currently offlineSevensixtyseven From United States of America, joined May 2011, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11000 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 87):

Several OO and YV flights were cancelled today. One ELP-PHX flight diverted to TUS, and a YUM-PHX flight turned back to YUM (which I find odd, as it is generally hotter in YUM than PHX..). Did anyone see any other diversions and oddities?



Will that ex-HP 752 get delayed...again?
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 92, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10801 times:

My buddy tried to fly out yesterday and said that there was heavy rain- anything affected by it?


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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10766 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 92):
My buddy tried to fly out yesterday and said that there was heavy rain- anything affected by it?

From where? FLG? Flagstaff received some heavy rain and hail yesterday...1.89". I could see a delay if they were trying to leave during the downpour.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 94, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10695 times:

There was brief heavy rain near the airport yesterday but it was a spotty shower and wouldn't have affected the airport ops.

User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 95, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10637 times:

As reported in the OAG thread, US is resuming service to MIA from PHX effective October 27th:

US458 PHX-MIA 1450-2205 320
US433 MIA-PHX 0710-0922 320

And effective October 3rd appears to be adding a 4th daily round trip to JFK:

US494 PHX-JFK 1225-2014 321
US611 JFK-PHX 1330-1526 321



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10608 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 95):

It's great that they're bringing MIA back, but it's a little annoying that they cut an FLL frequency to accomplish this.

From the OAG thread:
US PHX-FLL OCT 1.9>0.9 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
*US PHX-MIA NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 97, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10516 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 96):

True, although FLL service seems to have been waning over the past couple years. Now with an AA codeshare and the merger on the horizon, I would expect them to drop PHX-FLL completely in favor of MIA, and it will probably bring an increased presence in PHX-south Florida overall.

[Edited 2013-07-04 15:26:03]


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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10493 times:

I wonder if WN will start a single direct PHX-FLL? They have a lot of non direct flights, but no direct right now.

User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 99, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10438 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 98):

They already do, flight 3684 x6 and flight 3862 on Saturdays.

Edit: I guess those are nonstops, they do have a direct flight on Saturdays as well, flight 2133.

[Edited 2013-07-04 19:50:06]


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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10227 times:

Does anyone know what is going on with NK schedule into AZA? DEN was loaded back on 7/5 OAG thread but the current schedule doesnt show where the inbound flight for AZA-DEN-AZA is coming from. Both ORD & DFW return back after arriving into AZA. Would this mean 2 new flights one morning and one late afternoon are being added? Or would ORD/DFW be re timed?

December 13 arrival/departure
AZA-DEN
01:15PM - 03:03PM
DEN-AZA
04:00PM - 05:50PM

ORD-AZA
08:50PM - 11:45PM
AZA-ORD
01:50AM - 06:00AM

DFW-AZA
11:10PM - 12:40AM
AZA-DFW
01:55AM - 05:05AM


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

Heard this week from a former F9 employee that Menzies will be taking over F9 ground services in September.


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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 102, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10228 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 101):
Heard this week from a former F9 employee that Menzies will be taking over F9 ground services in September.

Ick. We have some of the defectors from F9 over here, sad to see that airline heading in that direction.

On a side note, how many different ground handling companies does that make here? We have Servisair, ATS, DGS, and now Menzies...does ASIG still handle Alaska?



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10204 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 102):
On a side note, how many different ground handling companies does that make here? We have Servisair, ATS, DGS, and now Menzies...does ASIG still handle Alaska?

Swissport does fueling and cargo but no ground handling. IAS handles DHL at west cargo.

DGS handles AS now.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 104, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 103):
Swissport does fueling and cargo but no ground handling. IAS handles DHL at west cargo.

DGS handles AS now.

Ah ok, for as many times as I've been by T2 this month I guess I should have noticed that. Is Swissport doing BA cargo or is it Servisair? Not sure who picked that up after US lost the contract.

While we're on the subject, I've heard that ATS will continue to handle American after the move over to T4. Which from what I gather will be in the next two or three months. My memory is a little faded but I believe HP started handling US shortly after their move under some kind of LOA. It was definitely way before a combined contract. I guess we shall see how this one goes.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10058 times:

When AA moves to T-4 are they going to transfer AS, UA and Great Lakes from T - 2 to T-3? OR would they refurbish T-3 South with HA moving to T-3 North and then once all improvements are done they can move UA, AS and Great Lakes over and the demo T-2.

On a side note, I was in T-2 last Saturday night and it seems like a lot of wasted space and should be removed. I will hate to see it go as I remember getting on Hughes Air West and flying to SNA as a kid and watching the 727's and DC-9 from the observation point at T-2....

Hell I am old enough and lived here long enough to remember T-1 and when they demoed that the observation windows.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10030 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 104):
Swissport doing BA cargo or is it Servisair?

Swissport does BA along with DL,B6,AS,F9,and HA. They just moved into in a bigger warehouse right next to DHL.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 104):
While we're on the subject, I've heard that ATS will continue to handle American after the move over to T4. Which from what I gather will be in the next two or three months.

Interesting, I know when DL and NW started to combined their ops they called back employees that were on furlough. I thought AA would do the same. Any word on what gates they will use or ticket counter space in T4?

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 105):
When AA moves to T-4 are they going to transfer AS, UA and Great Lakes from T - 2 to T-3?

I believe so. it would make sense because there is ample gate space on T3 south for AS,UA, and ZK. Also some gate space on T3 North.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 105):
OR would they refurbish T-3 South with HA moving to T-3 North and then once all improvements are done they can move UA, AS and Great Lakes over and the demo T-2.

Did the new south terminal project get approved? I know HA should be moving all their operations to T3 North.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9981 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 106):
Interesting, I know when DL and NW started to combined their ops they called back employees that were on furlough. I thought AA would do the same. Any word on what gates they will use or ticket counter space in T4?

After combined ops they might, though I'm not sure what provisions the new American might be bound to regarding furlough recalls. When those PHX agents were cut last October, I've heard that most of them took buyouts so I'm unsure of how many are even left that would be eligible. Maybe they would be from other parts of the system.

No word on gates/terminal space yet. On the ticketing level there's vacant space next to Westjet. Not sure how many gates can meet the length and slope requirements for the MDs but those are easy issues to fix. It'll probably be something similar to HP/US when PMUS was sectioned off at the end of the N3 concourse.



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User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9754 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE230P

whats this guy doing? i had no idea Winslow had a runway long enough to support a 319


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 109, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9746 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 108):

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE230P

whats this guy doing? i had no idea Winslow had a runway long enough to support a 319


Looks like incorrect data. All PHX-DTW flights on US are/were operating as scheduled. It seems as if FA is tracking flight 239 which is due to arrive in DTW at 01:40.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9654 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 107):
Not sure how many gates can meet the length and slope requirements for the MDs but those are easy issues to fix. It'll probably be something similar to HP/US when PMUS was sectioned off at the end of the N3 concourse.

What about the area's where the RJ's are using now? This would get the MD's out of the main alleyways with all of the 319's, 320's and 321's. That is a very interesting question.


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3045 posts, RR: 28
Reply 111, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9492 times:

Volaris will start flights to PHX October 19, 2013. Y4 will fly GDL-PHX 3X weekly; Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays. No News on flights to MEX.

Y4 974 GDL 11:45AM- 12:30PM PHX
Y4 975 PHX 1:45PM- 6:20PM GDL


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9471 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 111):

Y4 974 GDL 11:45AM- 12:30PM PHX
Y4 975 PHX 1:45PM- 6:20PM GDL

I assume that will change to a 1:30PM arrival / 2:45PM departure at PHX after the time change...



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3032 posts, RR: 9
Reply 113, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9483 times:

Today's storms provided some unusual overflights down here in Gilbert. Consecutive flights at 10K ft from NE cut a nice slice thru the overcast at the time. It looked like the opposite of a contrail!. Then the BA744 and a bunch of other flights also flew over south Gilbert/Chandler to approach Sky Harbor from the west. Was pretty cool to see.


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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3045 posts, RR: 28
Reply 114, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9475 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 112):
I assume that will change to a 1:30PM arrival / 2:45PM departure at PHX after the time change...

     
That's correct. Starting in November those will be the times.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 115, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9248 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 112):
Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 111):

Y4 974 GDL 11:45AM- 12:30PM PHX
Y4 975 PHX 1:45PM- 6:20PM GDL

I assume that will change to a 1:30PM arrival / 2:45PM departure at PHX after the time change...

It's safe to say this is operating out of T4 right? The Wiki page still says "TBD"



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9241 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 115):
It's safe to say this is operating out of T4 right? The Wiki page still says "TBD"

Where else would it operate from?


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9227 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 115):
It's safe to say this is operating out of T4 right?

Yes. Probably B23, maybe B26.



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9158 times:

T4 is the only CPB entry point, where else would they come in at? For being a former Phoenician you should know that.... Awromexico, British, Air Canada and Westjet all pull into only T4, along with US international ops.


Quoting PHX787 (Reply 115):


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9126 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 118):
T4 is the only CPB entry point

There's a customs office on the South ramp... but I don't think that'd be a good idea  



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9117 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 118):
T4 is the only CPB entry point, where else would they come in at? For being a former Phoenician you should know that.... Awromexico, British, Air Canada and Westjet all pull into only T4, along with US international ops.


Quoting PHX787 (Reply 115):

Indeed. I remember when Air Canada parked at a United gate at Terminal 2 years ago, That's the only "International" carrier that I can remember not using Terminal 4. Back before Terminal 4 opened, T2 was where the International flights parked at the time. I have no doubt Volaris will use one of the B gates at T4, likely B-23 or B-26 and possibly B-25.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 4
Reply 121, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9079 times:

Air Canada and Westjet flights technically don't have to use international gates if they're arriving from a precleared city, but I think they do so in PHX because the city gives them better lease rates than other airlines (though WS does use one US gate during peak times).

Volaris could use any of the common use FIS gates at T4, and since no one has said it yet, I think they'll use either B28 or 27.  



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9046 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 121):

So if the new T3 south project gets approved could we see that area become the new home for the Canadian airlines?



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9048 times:

It will be good to see another airline at PHX.

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 6
Reply 124, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9047 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 122):
So if the new T3 south project gets approved could we see that area become the new home for the Canadian airlines?

It's possible that AC could move to be close to their *A partner UA (who would move there with AS, allowing T2 to be demolished). Since AA codeshares with WS, and some WS arrivals are not pre-cleared, they'll likely stay at T4.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9027 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 124):
It's possible that AC could move to be close to their *A partner UA (who would move there with AS, allowing T2 to be demolished). Since AA codeshares with WS, and some WS arrivals are not pre-cleared, they'll likely stay at T4.

I was also wondering if the move to T-4 by AA leaving T-3 South open with HA moving to the North. Then you bring UA, AS and Great Lakes over to T-3 and demo T-2 and add the T-3 Extension. Also have they ever thought of reconfiguring T-3 North to extend the gates along Sky Harbor Blvd?

Another question is has there ever been any discussion of moving the executive terminal? There seems like the layout would be hard to put anything down there due to the roads. I remember when there was a lot of GA hangers down there. But other than the Fiesta Bowl and some other VIP's it seems as a wast of space.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 126, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8965 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 118):
T4 is the only CPB entry point, where else would they come in at? For being a former Phoenician you should know that.... Awromexico, British, Air Canada and Westjet all pull into only T4, along with US international ops.

I know I know, I was just making sure something else wasn't happening, such as the plane being towed to a different ramp.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 127, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

NK to pull out of AZA and into PHX

From the OAG thread:

Quote:
WOW...experiment ended. Guess they better stop that terminal project at AZA.
NK AZA-DEN DEC 0.8>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK AZA-DFW NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK AZA-ORD NOV 0.8>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK DEN-PHX NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK DFW-PHX NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK ORD-PHX NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9412 posts, RR: 26
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8804 times:

from their morning e-blast:

Miramar, Florida (July 30, 2013) - Spirit Airlines (NASDAQ: SAVE) today
announced that it is starting service from Phoenix Sky Harbor
International Airport (PHX) to three cities:

  * Daily nonstop service between Phoenix (PHX) and Dallas/Fort Worth
(DFW) starts October 24, 2013.
* Daily nonstop seasonal service between Phoenix (PHX) and Chicago
O’Hare (ORD) starts November 7, 2013.
* Daily nonstop seasonal service between Phoenix (PHX) and Denver (DEN)
starts November 7, 2013.

Spirit is relocating its operations from Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport in
Mesa (AZA) to Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix.  Spirit
is reaching out to customers currently holding reservations for flights to
and from Gateway Airport.  Spirit will discontinue its operations at AZA
on October 23, 2013.

 



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8785 times:

What terminal will they operate from?

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8748 times:

News and Facebook saying T3 North

fffffffillllllaaaarrrrr



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8687 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 129):
What terminal will they operate from?

My question would also be how many gates would they need. HA's single flight would tie up one gate until 08:00. The arrival is not an issue as it is 23:55 and it is dead in T-3 at midnight.

Could UA, AS, NK and Great Lakes all be in T-3? If not who is going to stay at T-2 and what would this do to the plans to extend T-3 South?


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8644 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 131):
My question would also be how many gates would they need. HA's single flight would tie up one gate until 08:00. The arrival is not an issue as it is 23:55 and it is dead in T-3 at midnight.

Could UA, AS, NK and Great Lakes all be in T-3? If not who is going to stay at T-2 and what would this do to the plans to extend T-3 South?

NK will only need 1 gate for their service if it's anything like what they ran from AZA. I think NK will use gate 24 for their ops which leaves 25 and 26 open, where HA and AS could operate from. I would put UA on the south side once AA moves over to T4. ZK could either go to T3 or T4.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 132):
NK will only need 1 gate for their service if it's anything like what they ran from AZA. I think NK will use gate 24 for their ops which leaves 25 and 26 open, where HA and AS could operate from. I would put UA on the south side once AA moves over to T4. ZK could either go to T3 or T4.

I never thought about ZK moving over to T-4. They have the ground access with all of the RJ and CJ traffic. I thought that DL was handling the ground ops for HA and that was part of the reason to move to T-4 North as well as going to a 330.

Does DL have gate 25 and 26 right now? I know HA was moving to there from 5 due to the wingspan of the 330.

Where is/are F9's and B6's gate. I think F9 is on the North, but I have never seen a B6 plane at PHX.

Thanks for the information.


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Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8631 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 132):

Times as shared on their press release

Phoenix Sky Harbor — Dallas/Fort Worth 1:00 AM 5:10 AM 772* 0 Daily
Dallas/Fort Worth — Phoenix Sky Harbor 11:15 PM 11:35 PM 771 0 Daily
*Departure and arrival times in Phoenix will be one hour later effective November 3, 2013.

Spirit's Phoenix Sky Harbor (PHX) — Chicago (ORD) seasonal schedule effective November 7, 2013 — April 30, 2014:
Phoenix Sky Harbor — Chicago O'Hare 1:50 AM 6:00 AM 168 0 Daily
Chicago O'Hare — Phoenix Sky Harbor 8:50 PM 11:45 PM 167 0 Daily



Now here's the catch -- Phoenix/Denver times don't make sense. I highly suspect the times below should be flipped, but as of now, this is the times they are running with on their release. I emailed inquiring about a correction but have not received a response.

Spirit's Phoenix Sky Harbor (PHX) — Denver (DEN) seasonal schedule effective November 7, 2013 — April 30, 2014:
Phoenix Sky Harbor — Denver 1:15 PM 3:03 PM 816 0 Daily
Denver — Phoenix Sky Harbor 4:00 PM 5:50 PM 815 0 Daily



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8615 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 133):
Where is/are F9's and B6's gate. I think F9 is on the North, but I have never seen a B6 plane at PHX.

jetBlue is on the south concourse at T3. F9 is on the north side, gate 20, IIRC.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8616 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 133):
I never thought about ZK moving over to T-4. They have the ground access with all of the RJ and CJ traffic. I thought that DL was handling the ground ops for HA and that was part of the reason to move to T-4 North as well as going to a 330.

Does DL have gate 25 and 26 right now? I know HA was moving to there from 5 due to the wingspan of the 330.

Where is/are F9's and B6's gate. I think F9 is on the North, but I have never seen a B6 plane at PHX.

Thanks for the information.

T4 I think is the best place for ZK to go the more I think about it, there are plenty of stands at the B gates to park the Beech 1900 at, without effecting US Airways ops.

DL no longer uses 25 and 26, so those are both wide open for HA and AS to use. HA is handled by Serviceair at the moment.

AA uses gates 2, 4, 6, and 7 on the south side. Gate 8 doesn't have a jetway installed anymore. Gate 5 is used by HA and B6. DL has gates 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 23 and F9 has 20 on the north side right now. SY uses one of the DL gates. Which leaves 24, 25, and 26 open, Once AA moves that will free up 4 gates, 5 once HA moves, which would be enough I think for UA to use.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 134):
Now here's the catch -- Phoenix/Denver times don't make sense. I highly suspect the times below should be flipped, but as of now, this is the times they are running with on their release. I emailed inquiring about a correction but have not received a response.

Spirit's Phoenix Sky Harbor (PHX) — Denver (DEN) seasonal schedule effective November 7, 2013 — April 30, 2014:
Phoenix Sky Harbor — Denver 1:15 PM 3:03 PM 816 0 Daily
Denver — Phoenix Sky Harbor 4:00 PM 5:50 PM 815 0 Daily

Good catch! These are the times showing in the NK booking engine so they are apparently correct. Which implies that there will be more happening with the winter schedule out of PHX; whether it's a complete schedule make-over for all flights, or a new route remains to be seen.

  

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Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

Not sure of you guys saw this on PHX spotters but a BA 777 diverted to PHX the other day from Denver. Quite the sight. Photos on the Facebook page.

Meanwhile I'm in osaka. Via Shinkansen.



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User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8212 times:

will anybody be spotting the arrival of president Obama today? I totally would but i have school to go to haha

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

He's back? Oh boy. I wonder what Grandma Jan will do this time hahah


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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

Ill take grandma jan over pres bozo. TFR in affect today is affecting many of the smaller airports in the east valley. As mentioned in another thread, last A318 flew DEN-PHX and then went to GYR to die.

A friend of mine working up at Laughlin said that their are rumors circulating of OO starting service to LAX on a Brasilia, has anyone heard anything like this?


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 136):
T4 I think is the best place for ZK to go the more I think about it, there are plenty of stands at the B gates to park the Beech 1900 at, without effecting US Airways ops

It would but also keep in mind there is also a commuter gate on T3 south by gate 2.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 136):
DL no longer uses 25 and 26

Well 26 hasn't been used in about a year or so for DL parking. But they use 25 nightly for RON parking.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 136):
HA and AS to use. HA is handled by Serviceair at the moment.

HA uses 26 for parking their RON and then they tow it over to the south side. Gate 26 maybe a widebody capable gate but An A330 will not fit there, Gate 24 would be a good fit for HA because of the new ramp and jetway improvements with dual power cords and dual A/C hoses. NK could use 26 and AS could use 25 and 24 when HA is not on the ground.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 136):
AA uses gates 2, 4, 6, and 7 on the south side. Gate 8 doesn't have a jetway installed anymore. Gate 5 is used by HA and B6. DL has gates 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 and 23 and F9 has 20 on the north side right now. SY uses one of the DL gates. Which leaves 24, 25, and 26 open, Once AA moves that will free up 4 gates, 5 once HA moves, which would be enough I think for UA to use.

If UA moves to the south end (that is if the new project does not get approved) then they would have to reinstall all the jetways on all the gates so they can get use out of all the gates.



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User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7992 times:

can somebody pllleeeeeaaasssseeeee go up to GCN and take pictures of Vision Air 733's and the grand canyon?  

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

Spotters! I'm coming in on AS 638 today at around 1:30-2pm. Just a heads up  


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

Anyone know when the BA flight is to switch to a 77W? I know it was supposed to be sometime this year but not sure when.


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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days ago) and read 7364 times:

NK is adding MSP-PHX flights starting on November 7th.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/spirit...nonstop-minneapolis-172826565.html



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days ago) and read 7354 times:

Allegiant has added more service to Gateway... Fort Wayne, Indiana and Manhattan,Kansas. Total number of destinations served by Allegiant from Gateway is now up to 38.

Does anyone have any info on how Great Lakes is doing of its phoenix to Santa Fe and Silver City routes?


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7292 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 146):
NK is adding MSP-PHX flights starting on November 7th.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/spirit....html

Oh boy DL and SY will not like this.



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 148):

Don't forget WN, they have more pax then SY on this route.


User currently offlineosubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7263 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 149):
Don't forget WN, they have more pax then SY on this route.
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 148):
Oh boy DL and SY will not like this.

Don't forget US too. I wonder if there will be some ultra low fares similar to DEN particularly last January-March when F9, US, WN, and NK were all 49-59$ish each way.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7261 times:

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 150):

I feel like an idiot for forgetting US! Thanks    ( Who also flies more PAX than SY)

And as mentioned above, G4 also flies to the MSP area via Saint Cloud to AZA.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 152, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 149):
Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 150):

I was talking about the three airlines in T3 that will be flying to MSP. But yes this will be interesting to watch with US and WN as well.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 153, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7164 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 146):
NK is adding MSP-PHX flights starting on November 7th.
Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 150):
Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 149):
Don't forget WN, they have more pax then SY on this route.
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 148):
Oh boy DL and SY will not like this.

Don't forget US too. I wonder if there will be some ultra low fares similar to DEN particularly last January-March when F9, US, WN, and NK were all 49-59$ish each way.

Man....I wish the MSP-PHX market was as wild as the PHX-CVG market    I wouldn't be complaining at all about getting home 

Wasn't this also the case with DEN? F9, NK, US, UA, and WN operating that route not too long ago. Who bowed out of it ?



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 154, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7158 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 153):

Wasn't this also the case with DEN? F9, NK, US, UA, and WN operating that route not too long ago. Who bowed out of it ?

F9, UA, WN, US, and NK will all be operating DEN-PHX. The change was F9 dropped the DEN-AZA service and NK will be moving it to PHX.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 155, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6989 times:

What's this year's expected upgauges from the airlines for the peak season?

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 154):
F9, UA, WN, US, and NK will all be operating DEN-PHX. The change was F9 dropped the DEN-AZA service and NK will be moving it to PHX.

Yeah it's pretty saturated indeed



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 156, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 155):
What's this year's expected upgauges from the airlines for the peak season?

The usual upgauges I'd expect. DL will probably bring in more 752s and 753s on the MSP, ATL, and DTW routes. US will probably put more A321s on the busier routes as well and maybe a 752. AA and UA don't seem to change a whole lot, maybe a few more frequencies on the main routes, but they don't usually use any bigger aircraft it seems like.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13649 posts, RR: 62
Reply 157, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6931 times:
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Kinda-sorta PHX aviation related; AS recently moved their PHX Reservations Center from the former site just south of Ray on 50th Street in Ahwatukee to a new site further east in Chandler, just north of Chandler Blvd.

The importance of this? The old site was 30,000sf and in the past few years 80% of AS reservations sales agents have been deployed to work from home, drastically reducing the real-estate needs for the call center. The new site is just under 6800sf total and will save AS over $400,000 per year in lease costs alone.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 158, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6885 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 157):
The importance of this? The old site was 30,000sf and in the past few years 80% of AS reservations sales agents have been deployed to work from home, drastically reducing the real-estate needs for the call center. The new site is just under 6800sf total and will save AS over $400,000 per year in lease costs alone.

That's an interesting idea by AS. I flew them to PHX and I was pretty happy with their service  

Are you working from home or from the call center?



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13649 posts, RR: 62
Reply 159, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6856 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 158):
Are you working from home or from the call center?

"Yes."

I'm part of the management team so I wear a lot of hats; I work from home some days, in the office on others, and occasionally have business in SEA so it's not uncommon to fly there for a day or two, but generally it's just for a few hours of meetings and back the same day.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 160, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6741 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 157):
Kinda-sorta PHX aviation related; AS recently moved their PHX Reservations Center from the former site just south of Ray on 50th Street in Ahwatukee to a new site further east in Chandler, just north of Chandler Blvd.

Didn't they move to the Ahwatukee reservations center not that long ago?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 158):
I flew them to PHX and I was pretty happy with their service

They're a good airline.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13649 posts, RR: 62
Reply 161, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6649 times:
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Quoting chrisair (Reply 160):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 157):Kinda-sorta PHX aviation related; AS recently moved their PHX Reservations Center from the former site just south of Ray on 50th Street in Ahwatukee to a new site further east in Chandler, just north of Chandler Blvd.

Didn't they move to the Ahwatukee reservations center not that long ago?

That was in August 2007.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 162, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6517 times:

A new office building opened near PHX, with first tenants announced:


http://www.4-traders.com/LIBERTY-PRO...Harbor-Center-in-Phoenix-17207358/



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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 162):
A new office building opened near PHX, with first tenants announced:

What does this have to do with KPHX? This building is on 7th St, south of the I-17 near the Salt River, it's not near or on the airport.

Just wondering why you thought this was noteworthy?


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 164, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 163):
What does this have to do with KPHX? This building is on 7th St, south of the I-17 near the Salt River, it's not near or on the airport.

Just wondering why you thought this was noteworthy?

Probably because of the name alone "Sky Harbor Center". I agree as it is nothing more than a large warehouse/distribution center.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 948 posts, RR: 1
Reply 165, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6351 times:

Why don't they do something with the old FAA offices on the west end by the executive ramp.... At least has something to do with KPHX...


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