Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
OAG Changes 6/14/2013:DL/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10545 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

NOTE: It appears that something changed recently and now we are seeing flights that are not available for sale such as scheduled charters. It does not appear there is any way to detect them as of now. They will now appear when they change.

3M ATL-LWB JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
3M ATL-MCN JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0.1>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
3M ATL-MEI JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0.1>1.7 FEB 0>1.7
3M ATL-MSL JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0.1>1.7 FEB 0>1.7
3M ATL-PIB JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0.1>1.7 FEB 0>1.7
3M ATL-TUP JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M EYW-FLL JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.1>3 FEB 0>3
3M EYW-RSW JUL 0>2.0 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>1.8 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0.1>2 FEB 0>2
3M EYW-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>1.4 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>4 FEB 0>4
3M FLL-BIM JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.4 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.4 NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
3M FLL-ELH JUL 0>1.5 AUG 0>1.4 SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.2 JAN 0.1>1.6 FEB 0>1.7
3M FLL-FPO JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>1.8 OCT 0>1.8 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>1.9 JAN 0.1>1.9 FEB 0>2
3M FLL-GGT JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.4 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0.1>1.2 FEB 0>1.1
3M FLL-GHB JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.5 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7
3M FLL-MCO JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M FLL-MHH JUL 0>3 AUG 0>1.4 SEP 0>0.7 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>1.2 DEC 0>1.3 JAN 0.1>2 FEB 0>2
3M FLL-TCB JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0.1>1.4 FEB 0>1.4
3M FLL-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M GLH-TUP JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M GNV-MCO JUL 0>1.1 AUG 0>1.1 SEP 0>1.2 OCT 0>1.2 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
3M GNV-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M JAX-MHH JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
3M JAX-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M MCN-MCO JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0.1>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
3M MCO-MHH JUL 0>1.2 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0.1>1.1 FEB 0>1.0
3M MCO-PNS JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M MCO-RSW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
3M PBI-MHH JUL 0>1.1 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.4 NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
3M PBI-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M PNS-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M TLH-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>1.6 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3

5V EAA-FAI JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.7 OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7

AA DFW-BMI DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
AA LAX-SJD SEP 1.3>1.1

AB JFK-DUS NOV 0.6>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0 JAN 0.6>0.8 FEB 0.6>0.8
AB JFK-TXL NOV 0.4>0.7 DEC 0.4>0.7 JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.4>0.7
AB MIA-DUS NOV 0.9>1.0 DEC 0.8>1.0 JAN 0.9>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0
AB ORD-TXL NOV 0.4>0.5 DEC 0.5>0.6 JAN 0.4>0.5 FEB 0.4>0.6
AB RSW-DUS NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.4>0.6 JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.3>0.5

AF JFK-CDG NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5

AS OME-OTZ NOV 0.9>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

AZ JFK-MXP NOV 0.9>1.0 DEC 0.9>1.0

BW JFK-GEO JUL 0.5>0.7 AUG 0.6>0.7
BW JFK-POS AUG 3>4
BW MCO-POS JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.4

CI LAX-TPE SEP 2>1.8

DL LGA-BTV OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
DL LGA-IAH OCT 3>4
DL LGA-JAX OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
the last gasp   
DL MEM-AUS SEP 3>0.8 OCT 3>0.9 NOV 3>0.8 DEC 3>0.9 JAN 3>0.9 FEB 3>0.9
DL MEM-BNA SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-BTR SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL MEM-CMH SEP 1.5>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
DL MEM-DCA SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
DL MEM-DFW SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
*DL MEM-FLL SEP 0.9>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.4>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL MEM-IAH SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
DL MEM-IND SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
*DL MEM-JAN SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
*DL MEM-LIT SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL MEM-MCI SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
DL MEM-MCO SEP 3>1.0 OCT 3>1.0 NOV 3>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 3>1.0
DL MEM-MKE SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-OKC SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
*DL MEM-OMA SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
*DL MEM-PHX SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL MEM-SAT SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
DL MEM-SDF SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-SHV SEP 1.6>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
*DL MEM-STL SEP 1.6>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0
*DL MEM-TUL SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
*DL MEM-TYS SEP 1.6>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0
*DL MEM-XNA SEP 1.6>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.6>0 FEB 1.7>0
strange route
*DL PHL-RDU SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4
DL SEA-KIX OCT 0.9>0.7
DL SEA-PEK NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6
DL SEA-PVG NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
DL SLC-BUR FEB 2>3

FL MCO-DCA AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0

G7 LGA-STL JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0

HA HNL-LIH OCT 18>16
HA HNL-OGG OCT 28>27

JJ JFK-GRU SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.5 FEB 1.0>1.3

LH PHL-FRA NOV 0.7>1.0 DEC 0.6>0.8 FEB 0.7>0.8

LO JFK-WAW NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 0.9>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6
LO ORD-WAW NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 0.9>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.6

interesting this is continuing
SY DCA-LAN SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.9
SY DCA-MSP SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.9
SY MSP-PHX DEC 0.0>0.9
SY MSP-RSW DEC 0.0>1.4

UA CLE-CLT JUL 4>3
UA CLE-FLL NOV 1.0>1.9
UA CLE-MHT NOV 1.7>3
UA CLE-PVD NOV 1.7>3
UA CLE-RSW DEC 1.0>1.7
UA DEN-BOS NOV 3>4
UA DEN-CUN DEC 0.5>0.7
UA DEN-DRO NOV 7>6
UA DEN-EGE NOV 1.7>1.0
UA DEN-HDN NOV 2>1.1
UA DEN-MFR NOV 1.7>1.1
UA DEN-PDX NOV 4>5
UA DEN-PHX NOV 4>5
UA DEN-PSP NOV 3>4
UA DEN-RAP NOV 7>6
UA DEN-TUL NOV 4>5
UA DEN-YYZ NOV 3>1.9
UA EWR-ARN NOV 0.6>0.8 DEC 0.5>0.6
UA EWR-BCN NOV 0.6>0.8 DEC 0.4>0.5 FEB 0.6>0.7
UA EWR-BHX FEB 0.9>0.7
UA EWR-BON DEC 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-BZE DEC 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-CDG NOV 1.7>1.9 DEC 1.5>1.7
UA EWR-EDI FEB 1.0>0.9
UA EWR-GUA DEC 0.2>0.3
UA EWR-GVA DEC 0.6>0.8
UA EWR-HAM DEC 0.4>0.5
UA EWR-LIS NOV 0.6>0.8 DEC 0.5>0.7 FEB 0.7>0.6
UA EWR-MAD NOV 0.7>0.8 DEC 0.6>0.7 JAN 0.6>0.5
UA EWR-NAS DEC 1.0>1.2
UA EWR-OSL DEC 0.7>0.9 FEB 0.9>1.0
UA EWR-PLS DEC 0.7>0.9
UA EWR-SAL DEC 0.2>0.3
UA EWR-SAP DEC 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-SNN JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
UA EWR-TXL NOV 0.6>0.8
UA EWR-ZRH NOV 0.9>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
all recoded to 3M
UA EYW-FLL JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 1.4>0 DEC 1.2>0
UA EYW-RSW JUL 2.0>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.7>0
UA EYW-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 1.4>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0
UA FLL-BIM JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.4>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.4>0
UA FLL-ELH JUL 1.5>0 AUG 1.4>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.7>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.6>0 FEB 0.7>0
UA FLL-FPO JUL 3>0.0 AUG 2>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.8>0 NOV 1.1>0 DEC 0.9>0
UA FLL-GGT JUL 0.8>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.5>0 FEB 0.4>0
UA FLL-GHB JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.5>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0
UA FLL-MCO JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.5>0
UA FLL-MHH JUL 3>0 AUG 1.4>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 1.2>0 DEC 1.2>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
UA FLL-TCB JUL 1.4>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.4>0 FEB 0.4>0
UA FLL-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0
UA GNV-MCO JUL 1.1>0 AUG 1.1>0 SEP 1.2>0 OCT 1.2>0
UA GNV-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 1.3>0 DEC 1.2>0
UA IAD-BTV NOV 3>2
UA IAD-CAE NOV 4>3
UA IAD-GSP JUL 3>2.0
UA IAD-MIA NOV 1.9>1.2
UA IAD-PUJ DEC 0.1>0.3
UA IAD-SAV NOV 3>4
UA IAD-ZRH JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
UA IAH-BON DEC 0.1>0.3
UA IAH-BZE DEC 1.8>3
UA IAH-DEN NOV 11>12
UA IAH-FRA DEC 0.8>1.0
UA IAH-GCM DEC 0.7>0.8
UA IAH-LFT JUL 9>8
UA IAH-MCI OCT 9>8
UA IAH-PBI JUL 1.9>1.1
UA IAH-POS DEC 1.0>1.2
UA IAH-RTB DEC 0.5>0.7
UA IAH-SAP DEC 1.0>1.2
UA JAX-MHH JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.2>0
UA JAX-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
UA LAX-CUN DEC 0.6>0.8
UA LAX-SAN OCT 13>12
UA MCO-MHH JUL 1.2>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.6>0 FEB 0.3>0
UA MCO-PNS JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 1.0>0
UA MCO-RSW JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
UA ORD-AMS NOV 0.8>0.9
UA ORD-BRU JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
UA ORD-BZN JAN 0>1.2 FEB 0>1.5
UA ORD-CDG DEC 0.7>0.9
UA ORD-FRA FEB 2>1.9
UA ORD-JAC JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
UA ORD-LIR DEC 0.1>0.2
UA ORD-LIT JUL 4>3
UA ORD-MSN OCT 8>9
UA ORD-MSY OCT 3>4
UA ORD-MUC NOV 0.7>0.8 JAN 0.9>0.7 FEB 0.9>0.6
UA ORD-ORF OCT 5>4
UA ORD-PUJ DEC 0.1>0.3
UA ORD-RAP OCT 2>1.0
UA ORD-ROC OCT 6>5
UA ORD-STL OCT 10>9
UA ORD-YVR DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
UA PBI-MHH JUL 1.1>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.4>0
UA PBI-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0
UA PNS-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 1.7>0
UA SFO-CDG DEC 0.7>0.9
UA SFO-DEN NOV 9>10
UA SFO-FRA FEB 1.0>0.9
UA TLH-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 1.6>0

US CLT-AVL SEP 9>8
US CLT-BGI FEB 0>0.1
US CLT-CUN SEP 1.6>1.8
US CLT-MEX SEP 0.9>0.7 OCT 0.9>0.7
US CLT-MHT SEP 1.6>1.0
US CLT-MYR SEP 9>8
US CLT-PHF SEP 7>6
US CLT-ROA SEP 9>8
US CLT-SDF SEP 8>7
US CLT-SJU OCT 1.4>0.9
US CLT-TYS SEP 9>8
US DCA-EYW JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0.1>1.0
US DCA-GSP SEP 1.8>3
US DCA-ORF SEP 5>6
US PHL-ALB SEP 7>6
US PHL-AVP SEP 6>5
US PHL-BDL SEP 8>7
US PHL-ELM SEP 4>3
US PHL-ERI SEP 4>3
US PHL-EWR SEP 6>7
US PHL-PHF SEP 6>4
US PHL-ROC SEP 6>5
US PHL-SYR SEP 7>6
US PHX-FLL SEP 1.0>0.6
US PHX-SNA SEP 6>5

VB IAH-MTY SEP 0.6>0.5 OCT 0.5>0.4 NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.6>0.4 JAN 0.6>0.5 FEB 0.6>0.4
VB SAT-MTY SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.5>0.3 NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3

VS MCO-LGW NOV 1.6>1.5 DEC 1.6>1.5 JAN 1.6>1.2 FEB 1.6>1.3
VS MCO-MAN JAN 1.2>1.0 FEB 1.1>1.0

WN BKG-MDW DEC 2>1.5 
WN DCA-HOU SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2

ZK DEN-DIK JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0
ZK

76 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10568 times:

ZK DEN-DIK JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0
ZK DEN-ISN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
ZK DIK-ISN JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0


User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

As always, thanks for the information. Great insight. I always look forward too this thread.

User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10403 times:

I am going to take a wild guess and say the PHL reductions on US are to allow ZW to pull planes from service to get painted in AA colors.

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10364 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SEA-KIX OCT 0.9>0.7
DL SEA-PEK NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6
DL SEA-PVG NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7

SEA slow down period i guess?


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10333 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 3):
I am going to take a wild guess and say the PHL reductions on US are to allow ZW to pull planes from service to get painted in AA colors.

And/Or due to the expected Piedmont aircraft retirements and potential hull loss in Newark.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10202 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-SAN OCT 13>12

Trust me.

With three different airlines flying the 110 mile route, no one will notice the change.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10204 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-BZE DEC 1.8>3
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-BZE DEC 0.1>0.3

UA showing BZE some love!



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently onlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10143 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
strange route
*DL PHL-RDU SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4

Strange indeed, both AA (Eagle) and WN have tried this route and subsequently cancelled it.

Also note that PHL-MEM remains status quo for now.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10102 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US DCA-EYW JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0.1>1.0

Neat!

Some congressional aids just became very happy.

And the $370 each-way fare should keep the E170 from overbooking too badly.


User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9849 times:

I wonder when we will start to see some AA/US route rejigging? Like to the the Caribbean.


When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9835 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
With three different airlines flying the 110 mile route, no one will notice the change.

Yeah, and aren't they all SkyWest under UA AA and DL brand?? Nothing like competeing with oneself lol. I bet OO is happy as a clam.....



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9610 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN DCA-HOU SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2

Maybe I missed the thread but did WN find another slot for the new DC-Hobby route? IIRC it was for one RT a day.



“Without seeing Sicily it is impossible to understand Italy.Sicily is the key of everything.”-Goethe "Journey to Italy"
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9587 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):

They ended one of an AirTran flights for the extra HOU flight. Correct me if I'm wrong though


User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-POS DEC 1.0>1.2

Wow now that is intresting. First time ever flying two flights a day to POS from IAH. They must be making a killing. On the date I check. First Class is sold out on both flight already!!!



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9419 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-MSY OCT 3>4

That's a small but nice add considering UA has not had 4 flights a day in that market since 2005.

UA's October schedule will be the biggest it's ever been...up to 28 flights depending on the day of the week.

12X IAH
4X ORD
4X EWR
3X IAD
2X DEN
1X CLE
1X LAX
1X SFO


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9413 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
strange route
*DL PHL-RDU SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4

Yeah i mean i guess they have some extra CRJ-200s and willing to give it a shot. They know frequency matters so its a legitimate try at 4x. Lets see. Definitely an unusual ad thats for sure but it might be a place to use some CRJ-200s and also remain competative in the RDU market.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9205 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):
Maybe I missed the thread but did WN find another slot for the new DC-Hobby route? IIRC it was for one RT a day.

There is a very long thread on it already.  

But the cliff notes...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL MCO-DCA AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9104 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL PHL-RDU SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 16):
Yeah i mean i guess they have some extra CRJ-200s and willing to give it a shot

My guess is along with the once daily flights from MEM is that DL has 50 seaters that are still on lease and no where to put them. When the leases are up, MEM will be shut down to hub only and the odd ball flights like PHL-RDU will be gone.

Though youd think that ATL-SPI/CMI/COU/AZO/LAN/MBS woudl be better places for 5 0seaters than MEM or P2Ps. I guess though if it is temporary, you dont want to open any new stations or start flights people will miss like AZO-ATL once they, the 50 seaters are gone.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9046 times:

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 2):

Thanks!

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):

I did notice that. Too much new SEA transpacific too fast I bet.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 8):

Considering DL is weak in both markets, it is perplexing.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 9):

That is a pretty cool daily route. Weight restricted I wonder?

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 16):

Assuming the plane basically comes from MEM it is a pretty sad commentary on how awful MEM was to choose this as a better choice. At least they were in a strong market position in MEM.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8812 times:

Oh dear Lawd.. Let me come up here and postulate another thought instead of everyone just assuming that surplus planes go to RDU to die...

Delta is pulling 30 flights from MEM... Basically bring it from 90 to 60ish.. Right? So let's think what Delta could have did with the plane....

1. Put it in RDU and start a new route..
2. Put it at a hub and start some additional frequencies for the cities that lost MEM service..
3. Put it in a hub and start new routes
4. Put it in a different out station and start P2P routes...
5. Put it in VCV and let the sucker rust until lease is up...

Which would have made everyone on A.net happy? Probably 2 or 3...

What would have made the most money? Honestly, none of us know..

What did Delta do? Number 1.. So evidently Delta thought it would strengthen its RDU operation with a destination to one of its Top 10 business market and slowly build DL as an even bigger player for RDU business traffic? Why? Because RDU is one of those few truly 50/50 markets where business travel and leisure travel equals out... And heaven forbid if Delta wants to make sure it's capturing as much traffic as it can...

And I know some say "if it ain't mainline, it ain't staying"... Well, that may be the case, but it's best to try in a station where you have a huge loyal base, than in an out station where your as known or less... Delta could have easily put the planes flying to MCO and FLL and been okay, but those experiments are cyclic and right now this ain't the upswing (I'm almost positive it will be in the future)..

I wonder what they will do when the 717 comes along.. Would RDU see some on these routes? Who knows.. But I can ponder..

But, my point is this.. Yes, they added RDU service, yes it's 50 sweaters, and no.. It's not dart boarding or temporary insanity.. All the flights added to RDU have been business markets.. BDL, CMH, PHL, LAX, SLC, TPA.. All business markets... And yes, RDU does have a lot of business travelers passing through and the amount is only expected to rise...

And with that, I digress....



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8790 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 15):
That's a small but nice add considering UA has not had 4 flights a day in that market since 2005.

Well technically UA has never had 4x IAH-MSY flights. CO OTOH lol.......  



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently onlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 14):
First Class is sold out on both flight already!!!

Not usuals for J to be sold out on this flight. It is next to impossible to get an upgrade as it is usually all paid up front. Got to love the oil business



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
Considering DL is weak in both markets, it is perplexing.

How is DL weak at RDU? It's one of DL's largest outstations with significant P2P service. I don't have the data, but I think DL might be the largest legacy at RDU now. Even if AA is still larger, DL is by no means weak in the market.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8544 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 23):
How is DL weak at RDU? It's one of DL's largest outstations with significant P2P service. I don't have the data, but I think DL might be the largest legacy at RDU now. Even if AA is still larger, DL is by no means weak in the market.

DL is a healthy #2 at RDU, behind only Southwest/Airtran. They will be #3 behind WN/FL and AA/US when that merger is complete.


25 Deltal1011man : except DL will be removing CRJs. This is the last ditch effort to make MEM profitable. If not, Hubs plus DCA,MCO,BOS,LAX will stay. Had this been any
26 MSYtristar : Not sure how they can expect a profit with those once daily CRJ's to many destinations without feed. All of those flights are as good as gone at some
27 Post contains images steeler83 : Can I insert option 6? Option 6: Rename the CR2 "Skeet," build a massive sling shot, and shoot the thing out of the sky with a cannon... In all serio
28 crj900lr : We are tight on aircraft right now at Express due to Chautauqua leaving after US did not renew their contract for the 9 ERJ-145's. PSA, ZW, & EN
29 cessna2 : DL actually just recently overtook WN/FL as the largest carrier at RDU. With WN pulling out of the route its left some room in the market. It is a to
30 FSDan : Well, they've hung onto RDU-BWI for a while now, even against strong competition from WN. WN recently left PHL-RDU, so maybe there's some room. Also,
31 silentbob : with staffing problems at all of those regionals, it will be interesting to see what happens once the deal is approved. I don't think it will take lo
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : They'll either be at 56 flights or 58 don't remember.
33 AVLAirlineFreq : Yes, that's correct. I was looking only at mainline stats.
34 Post contains images diverdave : To quote Howard Cosell, "Down goes Frazier." Thank you for the report, it is always something to look forward to. David
35 usairways85 : Here's the PHL-RDU schedule DL3971 PHL0855 – 1025RDU CRJ x67 DL3850 PHL1200 – 1330RDU CRJ x6 DL3878 PHL1535 – 1705RDU CRJ x6 DL3879 PHL1825 –
36 ERJ170 : If you look at the schedule, it is DEFINITELY catered to the RDU business passenger, not the PHL passenger.. Which should tell you who the flight is g
37 cessna2 : It'll be 58 when PHL starts. I forgot to take out the extra flights for the summer travel season. It'll move up to 59 once SLC starts in December.
38 SouthernDC9 : Where are these slots coming from - any insights?
39 BoeingGuy : Probably has more to do with the fact that the weather in SEA in NOV, DEC, JAN and FEB really sucks and it's a very slow travel time for traffic to S
40 Prost : DL has reduced PEK, KIX, CDG in the winter, and doesn't operate the second AMS flight in the summer. Its just a reflection of a smaller market in the
41 PSU.DTW.SCE : DL always pulls back capacity during the winter on West Coast - Asia routes, and every year they go less-than-daily on these non-hub flights. They ev
42 kbmiflyer : YEA! This has been the missing flight for us for a while. Nice to have two flights to DFW and an early morning / late evening option. It looks like i
43 ScottB : I'm not even sure BOS will manage to stay. The new schedule has MEM-BOS departing too early (0730) to pick up any connections at MEM and BOS-MEM arri
44 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Good to see some of use keeping an eye on DL OPS at RDU RDU has always held a special place with me. Glad to see DL maintaining its presence there.
45 Cubsrule : That's fine. If WN failed with somewhat more capacity but much lower costs, how will DL succeed? The CASM of the CRJ on a route like that has got to
46 bobloblaw : Well they wont get any PHL point of sale business travelers. I don't think it will survive the 50 seaters going away.
47 ExpressJet_ERJ : STL-ORD on UA going down to 9 a day. Never seems to have an empty seat for UA or AA. Makes for a tough commute. Would be nice to have a few non RJs fo
48 Post contains images enilria : In terms of point of sale/origin revenue (which is the ultimate scorecard of city market strength), AA is ahead of DL by quite a bit. In this industr
49 Cubsrule : More than anything else, AX and G7 positioning needs drive UA's STL-ORD/IAD/DEN schedule.
50 Post contains images MaverickM11 : They've been cutting KIX/PEK YOY here and there, separate from a seasonal reduction. I wonder how much the AS/DL spat figures into this as a large ch
51 PSU.DTW.SCE : DL has gotten a lot more aggressive at reducing day-of-the-week capacity during off peak periods, including Saturdays. For example: DL does not opera
52 enilria : I get reducing on weekends, but they need at least one. The problem of running none is that if a customer sees none in the schedule/Expedia/delta.com
53 bobnwa : I feel quite sure that DL realizes all that you said,but will do what is best for Delta
54 PSU.DTW.SCE : Not if the demand is so low it doesn't make financial sense to operate the route. DL has operated RDU-BDL nonstop on weekdays without Saturday servic
55 Post contains images cessna2 : Correct...a lot of times companies only offer incentives to fly routes for peak business days. A lot of routes out of RDU are strictly catered for th
56 PHLwok : Without overnighting a CRJ to do the route in PHL, they make it pretty much impossible to day trip to RDU. It's possible the other direction, but wit
57 ScottB : But there's probably no point in DL trying to cater to PHL-based business travelers with PHL being a hub for US. They don't have the network on the P
58 MSPNWA : I agree. No Saturday flights doesn't even pass the common sense test. Demand doesn't drop to zero on Saturdays. The customer looking for a Saturday n
59 PHLwok : Maybe, but it seems to decrease the route's likelihood of success. And plenty of firms here, mine included, have contracts with DL as well as US (and
60 PSU.DTW.SCE : RDU is one of DL's largest non-hub markets. History has shown us that DL is willing to invest in RDU and is willing to start new routes in attempt to
61 FlyPNS1 : But domestic business travel does go to almost zero on Saturdays. These flights whether it be the CVG routes or this new PHL-RDU are aimed almost sol
62 AVENSAB727 : Interesting, looks like an increase.
63 Cubsrule : It's a bit more nuanced than that. Short and medium-haul business travel is almost zero on Saturdays. Routes like LAX-ORD have some demand (from peop
64 bobnwa : I'm sure you would agree that DL management has more facts on hand than you do, to decide what it THINKS is best for the company
65 Post contains images EricR : This is supported by the fact that many initiatives, such as new on-board products or the launch of new routes, are often launched based on the expec
66 enilria : I'm not even aware of any other route that goes from 4 to 0 on Saturdays, so I'm not sure they have the data to make an informed decision on that. My
67 FlyPNS1 : CVG-DCA goes from 4 to 0 on Saturdays. It's even more drastic because those four flights are CR9's. As PSU_DTW_SCE pointed out, there's quite a few r
68 Coronado : Delta is further refining their seasonal strategy. Don't give back profits earned during the summer months by trying to maintain the same capacity dur
69 RDH3E : Your comment got me thinking, so I started doing some digging. SkyWest (incl ASA/XE) is the largest Domestic carrier by departures. According to the
70 casinterest : Do we know where the planes are coming from and going to ? I would imagine these planes are almost making a positional run based on the timing.
71 UALFAson : The times don't really work for them to be turns--at least not without significant amounts of wasted ground time. They most likely connect to and fro
72 casinterest : Most likey yes, I don't get why they didn't do a twice a day flight and maybe use the other planes on an MSY-RDU route. With MEM going away it would
73 Cubsrule : With horrendous delays at PHL, it seems that it would make more sense to isolate this operation than to tie it to other hubs and risk misconnecting p
74 PSU.DTW.SCE : Agreed that demand doesn't drop to zero on Saturdays, but DL believes it cannot profitably attempt to capture the demand on nonstop flights on Saturd
75 yellowtail : Anxiously awaiting the next OAG update!
76 Post contains images enilria : Well, I'm not suggesting they run 4, but I'd think 1 is not crazy. All true, but it all adds up to business on Saturday. The reason the conferences a
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
OAG Changes 3/15/2013: DL/UA/US/WN posted Tue Mar 12 2013 21:23:47 by enilria
OAG Changes 9/14/2012:DL/UA/US posted Mon Sep 10 2012 20:13:23 by enilria
OAG Changes 11/2/2012: DL/UA/US/WN posted Tue Oct 30 2012 07:24:19 by enilria
OAG Changes 9/7/2012: AA/DL/UA/US/WN posted Tue Sep 4 2012 13:27:00 by enilria
OAG Changes 5/10/2013: DL/FL/UA/US/VX posted Tue May 7 2013 10:21:37 by enilria
OAG Changes 4/26/2013: DL/NK/UA/WN/Y4 posted Mon Apr 22 2013 08:49:34 by enilria
OAG Changes 1/12/2012: F9/UA/US posted Tue Jan 10 2012 10:31:02 by enilria
OAG Changes 3/8/2013: AA/AM/DL/UA/US posted Wed Mar 6 2013 06:46:45 by enilria
OAG Changes 5/31/2013: AA/DL/NK/UA/Y4 posted Wed May 29 2013 06:52:01 by enilria
OAG Changes 5/24/2013: AM/B6/DL/NK/UA/WN posted Tue May 21 2013 06:24:34 by enilria