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OAG Changes 6/14/2013:DL/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10289 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

NOTE: It appears that something changed recently and now we are seeing flights that are not available for sale such as scheduled charters. It does not appear there is any way to detect them as of now. They will now appear when they change.

3M ATL-LWB JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
3M ATL-MCN JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0.1>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
3M ATL-MEI JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0.1>1.7 FEB 0>1.7
3M ATL-MSL JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0.1>1.7 FEB 0>1.7
3M ATL-PIB JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0.1>1.7 FEB 0>1.7
3M ATL-TUP JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M EYW-FLL JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.1>3 FEB 0>3
3M EYW-RSW JUL 0>2.0 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>1.8 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0.1>2 FEB 0>2
3M EYW-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>1.4 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>4 FEB 0>4
3M FLL-BIM JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.4 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.4 NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
3M FLL-ELH JUL 0>1.5 AUG 0>1.4 SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.2 JAN 0.1>1.6 FEB 0>1.7
3M FLL-FPO JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>1.8 OCT 0>1.8 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>1.9 JAN 0.1>1.9 FEB 0>2
3M FLL-GGT JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.4 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0.1>1.2 FEB 0>1.1
3M FLL-GHB JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.5 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7
3M FLL-MCO JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M FLL-MHH JUL 0>3 AUG 0>1.4 SEP 0>0.7 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>1.2 DEC 0>1.3 JAN 0.1>2 FEB 0>2
3M FLL-TCB JUL 0>1.4 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0.1>1.4 FEB 0>1.4
3M FLL-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M GLH-TUP JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M GNV-MCO JUL 0>1.1 AUG 0>1.1 SEP 0>1.2 OCT 0>1.2 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
3M GNV-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M JAX-MHH JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
3M JAX-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M MCN-MCO JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.9 SEP 0>0.8 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0.1>0.9 FEB 0>0.9
3M MCO-MHH JUL 0>1.2 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0.1>1.1 FEB 0>1.0
3M MCO-PNS JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M MCO-RSW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
3M PBI-MHH JUL 0>1.1 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.4 NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
3M PBI-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M PNS-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3
3M TLH-TPA JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>1.6 JAN 0.2>3 FEB 0>3

5V EAA-FAI JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.7 OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7

AA DFW-BMI DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
AA LAX-SJD SEP 1.3>1.1

AB JFK-DUS NOV 0.6>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0 JAN 0.6>0.8 FEB 0.6>0.8
AB JFK-TXL NOV 0.4>0.7 DEC 0.4>0.7 JAN 0.4>0.7 FEB 0.4>0.7
AB MIA-DUS NOV 0.9>1.0 DEC 0.8>1.0 JAN 0.9>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0
AB ORD-TXL NOV 0.4>0.5 DEC 0.5>0.6 JAN 0.4>0.5 FEB 0.4>0.6
AB RSW-DUS NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.4>0.6 JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.3>0.5

AF JFK-CDG NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5

AS OME-OTZ NOV 0.9>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0

AZ JFK-MXP NOV 0.9>1.0 DEC 0.9>1.0

BW JFK-GEO JUL 0.5>0.7 AUG 0.6>0.7
BW JFK-POS AUG 3>4
BW MCO-POS JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.4

CI LAX-TPE SEP 2>1.8

DL LGA-BTV OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
DL LGA-IAH OCT 3>4
DL LGA-JAX OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4
the last gasp   
DL MEM-AUS SEP 3>0.8 OCT 3>0.9 NOV 3>0.8 DEC 3>0.9 JAN 3>0.9 FEB 3>0.9
DL MEM-BNA SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-BTR SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL MEM-CMH SEP 1.5>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
DL MEM-DCA SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
DL MEM-DFW SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
*DL MEM-FLL SEP 0.9>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.4>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL MEM-IAH SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
DL MEM-IND SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7
*DL MEM-JAN SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
*DL MEM-LIT SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL MEM-MCI SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
DL MEM-MCO SEP 3>1.0 OCT 3>1.0 NOV 3>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 3>1.0
DL MEM-MKE SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-OKC SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
*DL MEM-OMA SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
*DL MEM-PHX SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL MEM-SAT SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
DL MEM-SDF SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-SHV SEP 1.6>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
*DL MEM-STL SEP 1.6>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0
*DL MEM-TUL SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
*DL MEM-TYS SEP 1.6>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0
*DL MEM-XNA SEP 1.6>0 OCT 1.7>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.6>0 FEB 1.7>0
strange route
*DL PHL-RDU SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4
DL SEA-KIX OCT 0.9>0.7
DL SEA-PEK NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6
DL SEA-PVG NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
DL SLC-BUR FEB 2>3

FL MCO-DCA AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0

G7 LGA-STL JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0

HA HNL-LIH OCT 18>16
HA HNL-OGG OCT 28>27

JJ JFK-GRU SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.5 FEB 1.0>1.3

LH PHL-FRA NOV 0.7>1.0 DEC 0.6>0.8 FEB 0.7>0.8

LO JFK-WAW NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 0.9>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6
LO ORD-WAW NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 0.9>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.6

interesting this is continuing
SY DCA-LAN SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.9
SY DCA-MSP SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.9
SY MSP-PHX DEC 0.0>0.9
SY MSP-RSW DEC 0.0>1.4

UA CLE-CLT JUL 4>3
UA CLE-FLL NOV 1.0>1.9
UA CLE-MHT NOV 1.7>3
UA CLE-PVD NOV 1.7>3
UA CLE-RSW DEC 1.0>1.7
UA DEN-BOS NOV 3>4
UA DEN-CUN DEC 0.5>0.7
UA DEN-DRO NOV 7>6
UA DEN-EGE NOV 1.7>1.0
UA DEN-HDN NOV 2>1.1
UA DEN-MFR NOV 1.7>1.1
UA DEN-PDX NOV 4>5
UA DEN-PHX NOV 4>5
UA DEN-PSP NOV 3>4
UA DEN-RAP NOV 7>6
UA DEN-TUL NOV 4>5
UA DEN-YYZ NOV 3>1.9
UA EWR-ARN NOV 0.6>0.8 DEC 0.5>0.6
UA EWR-BCN NOV 0.6>0.8 DEC 0.4>0.5 FEB 0.6>0.7
UA EWR-BHX FEB 0.9>0.7
UA EWR-BON DEC 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-BZE DEC 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-CDG NOV 1.7>1.9 DEC 1.5>1.7
UA EWR-EDI FEB 1.0>0.9
UA EWR-GUA DEC 0.2>0.3
UA EWR-GVA DEC 0.6>0.8
UA EWR-HAM DEC 0.4>0.5
UA EWR-LIS NOV 0.6>0.8 DEC 0.5>0.7 FEB 0.7>0.6
UA EWR-MAD NOV 0.7>0.8 DEC 0.6>0.7 JAN 0.6>0.5
UA EWR-NAS DEC 1.0>1.2
UA EWR-OSL DEC 0.7>0.9 FEB 0.9>1.0
UA EWR-PLS DEC 0.7>0.9
UA EWR-SAL DEC 0.2>0.3
UA EWR-SAP DEC 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-SNN JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
UA EWR-TXL NOV 0.6>0.8
UA EWR-ZRH NOV 0.9>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
all recoded to 3M
UA EYW-FLL JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 1.4>0 DEC 1.2>0
UA EYW-RSW JUL 2.0>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.7>0
UA EYW-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 1.4>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0
UA FLL-BIM JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.4>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.4>0
UA FLL-ELH JUL 1.5>0 AUG 1.4>0 SEP 0.8>0 OCT 0.7>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 0.6>0 FEB 0.7>0
UA FLL-FPO JUL 3>0.0 AUG 2>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.8>0 NOV 1.1>0 DEC 0.9>0
UA FLL-GGT JUL 0.8>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.5>0 FEB 0.4>0
UA FLL-GHB JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.5>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0
UA FLL-MCO JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.5>0
UA FLL-MHH JUL 3>0 AUG 1.4>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 1.2>0 DEC 1.2>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0
UA FLL-TCB JUL 1.4>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.4>0 FEB 0.4>0
UA FLL-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0
UA GNV-MCO JUL 1.1>0 AUG 1.1>0 SEP 1.2>0 OCT 1.2>0
UA GNV-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 1.3>0 DEC 1.2>0
UA IAD-BTV NOV 3>2
UA IAD-CAE NOV 4>3
UA IAD-GSP JUL 3>2.0
UA IAD-MIA NOV 1.9>1.2
UA IAD-PUJ DEC 0.1>0.3
UA IAD-SAV NOV 3>4
UA IAD-ZRH JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
UA IAH-BON DEC 0.1>0.3
UA IAH-BZE DEC 1.8>3
UA IAH-DEN NOV 11>12
UA IAH-FRA DEC 0.8>1.0
UA IAH-GCM DEC 0.7>0.8
UA IAH-LFT JUL 9>8
UA IAH-MCI OCT 9>8
UA IAH-PBI JUL 1.9>1.1
UA IAH-POS DEC 1.0>1.2
UA IAH-RTB DEC 0.5>0.7
UA IAH-SAP DEC 1.0>1.2
UA JAX-MHH JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.2>0
UA JAX-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
UA LAX-CUN DEC 0.6>0.8
UA LAX-SAN OCT 13>12
UA MCO-MHH JUL 1.2>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.6>0 FEB 0.3>0
UA MCO-PNS JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 1.0>0
UA MCO-RSW JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
UA ORD-AMS NOV 0.8>0.9
UA ORD-BRU JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
UA ORD-BZN JAN 0>1.2 FEB 0>1.5
UA ORD-CDG DEC 0.7>0.9
UA ORD-FRA FEB 2>1.9
UA ORD-JAC JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
UA ORD-LIR DEC 0.1>0.2
UA ORD-LIT JUL 4>3
UA ORD-MSN OCT 8>9
UA ORD-MSY OCT 3>4
UA ORD-MUC NOV 0.7>0.8 JAN 0.9>0.7 FEB 0.9>0.6
UA ORD-ORF OCT 5>4
UA ORD-PUJ DEC 0.1>0.3
UA ORD-RAP OCT 2>1.0
UA ORD-ROC OCT 6>5
UA ORD-STL OCT 10>9
UA ORD-YVR DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
UA PBI-MHH JUL 1.1>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.4>0
UA PBI-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0
UA PNS-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 1.7>0
UA SFO-CDG DEC 0.7>0.9
UA SFO-DEN NOV 9>10
UA SFO-FRA FEB 1.0>0.9
UA TLH-TPA JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 1.6>0

US CLT-AVL SEP 9>8
US CLT-BGI FEB 0>0.1
US CLT-CUN SEP 1.6>1.8
US CLT-MEX SEP 0.9>0.7 OCT 0.9>0.7
US CLT-MHT SEP 1.6>1.0
US CLT-MYR SEP 9>8
US CLT-PHF SEP 7>6
US CLT-ROA SEP 9>8
US CLT-SDF SEP 8>7
US CLT-SJU OCT 1.4>0.9
US CLT-TYS SEP 9>8
US DCA-EYW JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0.1>1.0
US DCA-GSP SEP 1.8>3
US DCA-ORF SEP 5>6
US PHL-ALB SEP 7>6
US PHL-AVP SEP 6>5
US PHL-BDL SEP 8>7
US PHL-ELM SEP 4>3
US PHL-ERI SEP 4>3
US PHL-EWR SEP 6>7
US PHL-PHF SEP 6>4
US PHL-ROC SEP 6>5
US PHL-SYR SEP 7>6
US PHX-FLL SEP 1.0>0.6
US PHX-SNA SEP 6>5

VB IAH-MTY SEP 0.6>0.5 OCT 0.5>0.4 NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.6>0.4 JAN 0.6>0.5 FEB 0.6>0.4
VB SAT-MTY SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.5>0.3 NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3

VS MCO-LGW NOV 1.6>1.5 DEC 1.6>1.5 JAN 1.6>1.2 FEB 1.6>1.3
VS MCO-MAN JAN 1.2>1.0 FEB 1.1>1.0

WN BKG-MDW DEC 2>1.5 
WN DCA-HOU SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2

ZK DEN-DIK JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0
ZK

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10312 times:

ZK DEN-DIK JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0
ZK DEN-ISN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
ZK DIK-ISN JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0


User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10290 times:

As always, thanks for the information. Great insight. I always look forward too this thread.

User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4228 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10147 times:

I am going to take a wild guess and say the PHL reductions on US are to allow ZW to pull planes from service to get painted in AA colors.

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10108 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SEA-KIX OCT 0.9>0.7
DL SEA-PEK NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6
DL SEA-PVG NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7

SEA slow down period i guess?


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2031 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 3):
I am going to take a wild guess and say the PHL reductions on US are to allow ZW to pull planes from service to get painted in AA colors.

And/Or due to the expected Piedmont aircraft retirements and potential hull loss in Newark.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9946 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-SAN OCT 13>12

Trust me.

With three different airlines flying the 110 mile route, no one will notice the change.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6025 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9948 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-BZE DEC 1.8>3
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-BZE DEC 0.1>0.3

UA showing BZE some love!



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9887 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
strange route
*DL PHL-RDU SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4

Strange indeed, both AA (Eagle) and WN have tried this route and subsequently cancelled it.

Also note that PHL-MEM remains status quo for now.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9846 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US DCA-EYW JAN 0.1>1.0 FEB 0.1>1.0

Neat!

Some congressional aids just became very happy.

And the $370 each-way fare should keep the E170 from overbooking too badly.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6025 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

I wonder when we will start to see some AA/US route rejigging? Like to the the Caribbean.


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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9579 times:
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Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
With three different airlines flying the 110 mile route, no one will notice the change.

Yeah, and aren't they all SkyWest under UA AA and DL brand?? Nothing like competeing with oneself lol. I bet OO is happy as a clam.....



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN DCA-HOU SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2

Maybe I missed the thread but did WN find another slot for the new DC-Hobby route? IIRC it was for one RT a day.



Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9331 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):

They ended one of an AirTran flights for the extra HOU flight. Correct me if I'm wrong though


User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA IAH-POS DEC 1.0>1.2

Wow now that is intresting. First time ever flying two flights a day to POS from IAH. They must be making a killing. On the date I check. First Class is sold out on both flight already!!!



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9163 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-MSY OCT 3>4

That's a small but nice add considering UA has not had 4 flights a day in that market since 2005.

UA's October schedule will be the biggest it's ever been...up to 28 flights depending on the day of the week.

12X IAH
4X ORD
4X EWR
3X IAD
2X DEN
1X CLE
1X LAX
1X SFO


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9157 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
strange route
*DL PHL-RDU SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4

Yeah i mean i guess they have some extra CRJ-200s and willing to give it a shot. They know frequency matters so its a legitimate try at 4x. Lets see. Definitely an unusual ad thats for sure but it might be a place to use some CRJ-200s and also remain competative in the RDU market.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4541 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8949 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):
Maybe I missed the thread but did WN find another slot for the new DC-Hobby route? IIRC it was for one RT a day.

There is a very long thread on it already.  

But the cliff notes...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL MCO-DCA AUG 1.0>0.4 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0



Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1581 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8848 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL PHL-RDU SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 16):
Yeah i mean i guess they have some extra CRJ-200s and willing to give it a shot

My guess is along with the once daily flights from MEM is that DL has 50 seaters that are still on lease and no where to put them. When the leases are up, MEM will be shut down to hub only and the odd ball flights like PHL-RDU will be gone.

Though youd think that ATL-SPI/CMI/COU/AZO/LAN/MBS woudl be better places for 5 0seaters than MEM or P2Ps. I guess though if it is temporary, you dont want to open any new stations or start flights people will miss like AZO-ATL once they, the 50 seaters are gone.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8790 times:

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 2):

Thanks!

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):

I did notice that. Too much new SEA transpacific too fast I bet.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 8):

Considering DL is weak in both markets, it is perplexing.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 9):

That is a pretty cool daily route. Weight restricted I wonder?

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 16):

Assuming the plane basically comes from MEM it is a pretty sad commentary on how awful MEM was to choose this as a better choice. At least they were in a strong market position in MEM.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

Oh dear Lawd.. Let me come up here and postulate another thought instead of everyone just assuming that surplus planes go to RDU to die...

Delta is pulling 30 flights from MEM... Basically bring it from 90 to 60ish.. Right? So let's think what Delta could have did with the plane....

1. Put it in RDU and start a new route..
2. Put it at a hub and start some additional frequencies for the cities that lost MEM service..
3. Put it in a hub and start new routes
4. Put it in a different out station and start P2P routes...
5. Put it in VCV and let the sucker rust until lease is up...

Which would have made everyone on A.net happy? Probably 2 or 3...

What would have made the most money? Honestly, none of us know..

What did Delta do? Number 1.. So evidently Delta thought it would strengthen its RDU operation with a destination to one of its Top 10 business market and slowly build DL as an even bigger player for RDU business traffic? Why? Because RDU is one of those few truly 50/50 markets where business travel and leisure travel equals out... And heaven forbid if Delta wants to make sure it's capturing as much traffic as it can...

And I know some say "if it ain't mainline, it ain't staying"... Well, that may be the case, but it's best to try in a station where you have a huge loyal base, than in an out station where your as known or less... Delta could have easily put the planes flying to MCO and FLL and been okay, but those experiments are cyclic and right now this ain't the upswing (I'm almost positive it will be in the future)..

I wonder what they will do when the 717 comes along.. Would RDU see some on these routes? Who knows.. But I can ponder..

But, my point is this.. Yes, they added RDU service, yes it's 50 sweaters, and no.. It's not dart boarding or temporary insanity.. All the flights added to RDU have been business markets.. BDL, CMH, PHL, LAX, SLC, TPA.. All business markets... And yes, RDU does have a lot of business travelers passing through and the amount is only expected to rise...

And with that, I digress....



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8534 times:
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Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 15):
That's a small but nice add considering UA has not had 4 flights a day in that market since 2005.

Well technically UA has never had 4x IAH-MSY flights. CO OTOH lol.......  



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6025 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8374 times:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 14):
First Class is sold out on both flight already!!!

Not usuals for J to be sold out on this flight. It is next to impossible to get an upgrade as it is usually all paid up front. Got to love the oil business



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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
Considering DL is weak in both markets, it is perplexing.

How is DL weak at RDU? It's one of DL's largest outstations with significant P2P service. I don't have the data, but I think DL might be the largest legacy at RDU now. Even if AA is still larger, DL is by no means weak in the market.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8288 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 23):
How is DL weak at RDU? It's one of DL's largest outstations with significant P2P service. I don't have the data, but I think DL might be the largest legacy at RDU now. Even if AA is still larger, DL is by no means weak in the market.

DL is a healthy #2 at RDU, behind only Southwest/Airtran. They will be #3 behind WN/FL and AA/US when that merger is complete.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 18):

My guess is along with the once daily flights from MEM is that DL has 50 seaters that are still on lease and no where to put them. When the leases are up, MEM will be shut down to hub only and the odd ball

except DL will be removing CRJs.

This is the last ditch effort to make MEM profitable. If not, Hubs plus DCA,MCO,BOS,LAX will stay.
Had this been anything like you think it is, Delta would have dumped MEM and added frequency at hub markets. MEM isn't getting Dallased just yet.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-AUS SEP 3>0.8 OCT 3>0.9 NOV 3>0.8 DEC 3>0.9 JAN 3>0.9 FEB 3>0.9

OO CRJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-BNA SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9

OO CRJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-CMH SEP 1.5>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9

RP ERJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-DCA SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7

2x 9E CR9

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-DFW SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7

1x OO CRJ 1x 9E CRJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-IAH SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7

2x 9E CRJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-IND SEP 3>1.6 OCT 3>1.7 NOV 3>1.7 DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.7

1x RP ERJ 1x 9E CRJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-MCI SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9

OO CRJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-MCO SEP 3>1.0 OCT 3>1.0 NOV 3>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 3>1.0

DL 320

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-MKE SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9

OO CRJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-SAT SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9

9E CRJ

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL MEM-SDF SEP 1.6>0.8 OCT 1.7>0.9 NOV 1.7>0.8 DEC 1.7>0.9 JAN 1.7>0.9 FEB 1.7>0.9

RP ERJ



yep.
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8385 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 25):
This is the last ditch effort to make MEM profitable

Not sure how they can expect a profit with those once daily CRJ's to many destinations without feed. All of those flights are as good as gone at some point. They can't expect the local market to fill a daily CRJ to BNA...CMH...SDF...MKE...etc. This is the continuing saga of death by a thousand cuts. MEM will be down to about 30 flights a day more or less by this time next year. Sad, but it's the nature of the beast.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9174 posts, RR: 18
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8531 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):
1. Put it in RDU and start a new route..
2. Put it at a hub and start some additional frequencies for the cities that lost MEM service..
3. Put it in a hub and start new routes
4. Put it in a different out station and start P2P routes...
5. Put it in VCV and let the sucker rust until lease is up...

Which would have made everyone on A.net happy? Probably 2 or 3...

Can I insert option 6?
Option 6: Rename the CR2 "Skeet," build a massive sling shot, and shoot the thing out of the sky with a cannon...  

In all seriousness, tho, not sure what sense if any PHL-RDU would make, as some have indicated on here...



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User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8506 times:

Quoting silentbob (Reply 5):
And/Or due to the expected Piedmont aircraft retirements and potential hull loss in Newark.

We are tight on aircraft right now at Express due to Chautauqua leaving after US did not renew their contract for the 9 ERJ-145's. PSA, ZW, & EN picked up those flights and with the Dash-8's coming to the end of their life their is basically no room for extra flights that are not needed. Once the merger is official and we know who is going to be flying the regional flights for AA we can get a better look on the future scheduling as to any addition or subtraction of more flying.


User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 325 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8496 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 24):
DL is a healthy #2 at RDU, behind only Southwest/Airtran. They will be #3 behind WN/FL and AA/US when that merger is complete.

DL actually just recently overtook WN/FL as the largest carrier at RDU.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 27):
In all seriousness, tho, not sure what sense if any PHL-RDU would make, as some have indicated on here...

With WN pulling out of the route its left some room in the market. It is a top ten business market for RDU and DL is trying to win over many business travelers at RDU. Also remember the AA/US merger is set to close 3Q. Its beefing up competition in a market DL believes is theirs. Its a smart move. With the addition of PHL I think it puts RDU over the 60 flights a day mark. Pretty impressive....all in all just my two cents.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
strange route
*DL PHL-RDU SEP 0>4 OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4

Strange indeed, both AA (Eagle) and WN have tried this route and subsequently cancelled it.

Also note that PHL-MEM remains status quo for now.

Well, they've hung onto RDU-BWI for a while now, even against strong competition from WN. WN recently left PHL-RDU, so maybe there's some room. Also, perhaps DL got a piece of a contract with a pharmaceutical company or something like that. Both Philly and the Research Triangle do a lot of business in that area.

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
Considering DL is weak in both markets, it is perplexing.

DL's not weak in RDU... I think they're actually ahead of AA there nowadays, with more than 50 flights and something like 17 or 18 destinations. PHL is an average to slightly-above-average station for them (they do have the summer-only PHL-CDG flight, otherwise just hubs + now RDU).



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2031 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8145 times:

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 28):
Once the merger is official and we know who is going to be flying the regional flights for AA we can get a better look on the future scheduling as to any addition or subtraction of more flying.

with staffing problems at all of those regionals, it will be interesting to see what happens once the deal is approved. I don't think it will take long to find out.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8015 times:

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 29):
I think it puts RDU over the 60 flights a day mark. Pretty impressive....all in all just my two cents.

They'll either be at 56 flights or 58 don't remember.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 29):

DL actually just recently overtook WN/FL as the largest carrier at RDU.

Yes, that's correct. I was looking only at mainline stats.


User currently offlinediverdave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
the last gasp

To quote Howard Cosell, "Down goes Frazier."

Thank you for the report, it is always something to look forward to.  

David


User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7608 times:

Here's the PHL-RDU schedule

DL3971 PHL0855 – 1025RDU CRJ x67
DL3850 PHL1200 – 1330RDU CRJ x6
DL3878 PHL1535 – 1705RDU CRJ x6
DL3879 PHL1825 – 1955RDU CRJ x6

DL3971 RDU0700 – 0830PHL CRJ x67
DL3870 RDU0855 – 1225PHL CRJ x6
DL3878 RDU1340 – 1510PHL CRJ x6
DL3879 RDU1630 – 1800PHL CRJ x6

No flights on Sat. Also the first departure out of PHL and the last departure out of RDU are rather late for any business travelers


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

If you look at the schedule, it is DEFINITELY catered to the RDU business passenger, not the PHL passenger.. Which should tell you who the flight is geared towards.. And since there are no Saturday flights, it's definitely geared towards the business traveler, not the leisure (which would just be a bonus)...


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 325 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 32):
They'll either be at 56 flights or 58 don't remember.

It'll be 58 when PHL starts. I forgot to take out the extra flights for the summer travel season. It'll move up to 59 once SLC starts in December.


User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6633 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

SY DCA-MSP SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.9

Where are these slots coming from - any insights?



What does AA/US merger mean for CLT/JFK/PHX/North America/Southern Hemisphere/God's Plan for the Universe
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2954 posts, RR: 7
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day ago) and read 6511 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SEA-KIX OCT 0.9>0.7
DL SEA-PEK NOV 1.0>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.6 FEB 1.0>0.6
DL SEA-PVG NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7

SEA slow down period i guess?
Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
I did notice that. Too much new SEA transpacific too fast I bet.

Probably has more to do with the fact that the weather in SEA in NOV, DEC, JAN and FEB really sucks and it's a very slow travel time for traffic to SEA. I assume these are winter seasonal frequency reductions, just like the many others during Winter, and not a reflection that there is too much new SEA trans-pac.


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day ago) and read 6515 times:

DL has reduced PEK, KIX, CDG in the winter, and doesn't operate the second AMS flight in the summer. Its just a reflection of a smaller market in the winter versus the summer.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day ago) and read 6378 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):
I did notice that. Too much new SEA transpacific too fast I bet.
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 39):

Probably has more to do with the fact that the weather in SEA in NOV, DEC, JAN and FEB really sucks and it's a very slow travel time for traffic to SEA. I assume these are winter seasonal frequency reductions, just like the many others during Winter, and not a reflection that there is too much new SEA trans-pac.

DL always pulls back capacity during the winter on West Coast - Asia routes, and every year they go less-than-daily on these non-hub flights.

They even do this on DTW flights too. Nothing really new here as where they can't go lower in equipment size, they go less than daily on certain routes.


User currently offlinekbmiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 6005 times:

Quote:
AA DFW-BMI DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2

YEA! This has been the missing flight for us for a while. Nice to have two flights to DFW and an early morning / late evening option. It looks like it starts October 1.

BMI has been doing ok lately, we are now 2x mainline on DL to Atlanta, Frontier seems to be doing ok (although they keep shuffling times of their DEN and MCO flights), they somehow found money to install a bunch of jetbridges. I guess we might survive without FL after all.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6696 posts, RR: 32
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 25):
This is the last ditch effort to make MEM profitable. If not, Hubs plus DCA,MCO,BOS,LAX will stay.

I'm not even sure BOS will manage to stay. The new schedule has MEM-BOS departing too early (0730) to pick up any connections at MEM and BOS-MEM arrives too late (1924) to offer connections at MEM. While one would think that the O&D in the market is large enough for a CR9 -- it's about 100 PDEW -- a single daily round-trip will lose a fair number of passengers to connecting options on DL or other carriers.

All the single or 2x daily flights to non-hubs are going to fail due to schedule. There are going to be too many better schedule options via DFW/IAH/HOU.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 37):
It'll be 58 when PHL starts. I forgot to take out the extra flights for the summer travel season. It'll move up to 59 once SLC starts in December.



Good to see some of use keeping an eye on DL OPS at RDU  

RDU has always held a special place with me. Glad to see DL maintaining its presence there.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 36):
If you look at the schedule, it is DEFINITELY catered to the RDU business passenger, not the PHL passenger.. Which should tell you who the flight is geared towards..

That's fine. If WN failed with somewhat more capacity but much lower costs, how will DL succeed? The CASM of the CRJ on a route like that has got to be 15 cents or more.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1581 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 5535 times:
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Quoting usairways85 (Reply 35):

Well they wont get any PHL point of sale business travelers. I don't think it will survive the 50 seaters going away.


User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 833 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

STL-ORD on UA going down to 9 a day. Never seems to have an empty seat for UA or AA. Makes for a tough commute. Would be nice to have a few non RJs for UA.


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 24):
Quoting FSDan (Reply 30):
Quoting HVNandrew (Reply 23):

In terms of point of sale/origin revenue (which is the ultimate scorecard of city market strength), AA is ahead of DL by quite a bit. In this industry you have probably noticed that in nearly every legacy route, the carrier is the #1 carrier in either the origin or the destination. The routes where that is not the case are nearly always a financial challenge. If they truly thought this route would be any good they would at let fly one flight on Sat. That's crazy and 4x is one too many for a new route like this.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 25):

Have to disagree. 1x in those markets has no chance of success. I agree it's a reaccom strategy. They move all existing local bookings to the one flight and later drop it.

Quoting diverdave (Reply 34):

Thanks. Wish I could hear your Cosell imitation.  
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 35):

No Saturday flight is very weird. They couldn't fly one?

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 38):

No idea really, but there have been rumors since F9 took the SY Apple contract over in LAN that SY would leave. It's odd that they extended the schedule on both, but I don't think they can move the LAN slot to MSP as they wish. I wonder if it's a Freudian slip. Perhaps they were toying with a schedule where LAN is dropped and misfiled it. Is there a press release on the MSP?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

Quoting ExpressJet_ERJ (Reply 47):
STL-ORD on UA going down to 9 a day. Never seems to have an empty seat for UA or AA. Makes for a tough commute. Would be nice to have a few non RJs for UA.

More than anything else, AX and G7 positioning needs drive UA's STL-ORD/IAD/DEN schedule.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17281 posts, RR: 46
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 41):
DL always pulls back capacity during the winter on West Coast - Asia routes, and every year they go less-than-daily on these non-hub flights.They even do this on DTW flights too. Nothing really new here as where they can't go lower in equipment size, they go less than daily on certain routes.
Quoting Prost (Reply 40):
DL has reduced PEK, KIX, CDG in the winter, and doesn't operate the second AMS flight in the summer. Its just a reflection of a smaller market in the winter versus the summer.

They've been cutting KIX/PEK YOY here and there, separate from a seasonal reduction. I wonder how much the AS/DL spat figures into this as a large chunk of the flow is essentially controlled by AS--they have a lot of TYO capacity to fill!   



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 48):
In terms of point of sale/origin revenue (which is the ultimate scorecard of city market strength), AA is ahead of DL by quite a bit. In this industry you have probably noticed that in nearly every legacy route, the carrier is the #1 carrier in either the origin or the destination. The routes where that is not the case are nearly always a financial challenge. If they truly thought this route would be any good they would at let fly one flight on Sat. That's crazy and 4x is one too many for a new route like this.
Quoting enilria (Reply 48):
No Saturday flight is very weird. They couldn't fly one?

DL has gotten a lot more aggressive at reducing day-of-the-week capacity during off peak periods, including Saturdays.

For example:
DL does not operate MEM, CVG, and now RDU to PHL on Saturdays
CVG - 4 flights weekdays, none on Saturday
MEM - 2 flights weekdays, none on Saturday


There a number of routes at CVG & MEM that do not operate on Saturdays. In the core hubs, DL pulls a number of flights too although I can't think of any where they do not fly the route at all.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month ago) and read 5096 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 51):

I get reducing on weekends, but they need at least one. The problem of running none is that if a customer sees none in the schedule/Expedia/delta.com/etc they may assume DL doesn't fly the route nonstop at all and just go to US.com and buy. You need one flight everyday if for no other reason than advertising that you fly the route.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6432 posts, RR: 9
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month ago) and read 5034 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 52):
I get reducing on weekends, but they need at least one. The problem of running none is that if a customer sees none in the schedule/Expedia/delta.com/etc they may assume DL doesn't fly the route nonstop at all and just go to US.com and buy. You need one flight everyday if for no other reason than advertising that you fly the route

I feel quite sure that DL realizes all that you said,but will do what is best for Delta


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 52):
I get reducing on weekends, but they need at least one. The problem of running none is that if a customer sees none in the schedule/Expedia/delta.com/etc they may assume DL doesn't fly the route nonstop at all and just go to US.com and buy. You need one flight everyday if for no other reason than advertising that you fly the route.

Not if the demand is so low it doesn't make financial sense to operate the route.

DL has operated RDU-BDL nonstop on weekdays without Saturday service for years.

No different really than less-than-daily international service that is very commonplace.


User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 325 posts, RR: 2
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 54):
Not if the demand is so low it doesn't make financial sense to operate the route.

DL has operated RDU-BDL nonstop on weekdays without Saturday service for years.

No different really than less-than-daily international service that is very commonplace.

  
Correct...a lot of times companies only offer incentives to fly routes for peak business days. A lot of routes out of RDU are strictly catered for the businesses in the area. Thats why schedules are very reduced on saturdays. No need to fly empty planes around and not make any money. If I may point out it seems to be working very well. The people in ATL are some of the smartest...I have faith they know what they are doing.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 35):
Here's the PHL-RDU schedule

Without overnighting a CRJ to do the route in PHL, they make it pretty much impossible to day trip to RDU. It's possible the other direction, but with that early last departure from RDU (4:30pm) this definitely isn't catering to the PHL-based business traveler. This is one reason I, and many others, routinely use US 1093 (5:59pm departure RDU-PHL) and it often sells out on peak days; for day trip purposes, US has long had a PHL-RDU flight in the 7:30 flight bank, usually on an E75.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6696 posts, RR: 32
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4447 times:

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 56):
with that early last departure from RDU (4:30pm) this definitely isn't catering to the PHL-based business traveler.

But there's probably no point in DL trying to cater to PHL-based business travelers with PHL being a hub for US. They don't have the network on the PHL end to be the preferred carrier for those folks.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1896 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4405 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 52):
I get reducing on weekends, but they need at least one. The problem of running none is that if a customer sees none in the schedule/Expedia/delta.com/etc they may assume DL doesn't fly the route nonstop at all and just go to US.com and buy. You need one flight everyday if for no other reason than advertising that you fly the route.

I agree. No Saturday flights doesn't even pass the common sense test. Demand doesn't drop to zero on Saturdays. The customer looking for a Saturday nonstop flight won't take DL for either leg, lowering demand for the other 6 days in the process. This have the looks of a dartboard, have-to-find-CR2-flying-somewhere route.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 53):
I feel quite sure that DL realizes all that you said,but will do what is best for Delta

I'd rephrase that a bit. Management does what it THINKS is best for the company. Doesn't mean it is.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 54):
Not if the demand is so low it doesn't make financial sense to operate the route.

So demand drops from 200 to 0 on Saturday? I know that's an overly simplistic way to look at it, but just think about that for a minute. It really doesn't make sense, does it. 200 down to 150, or 200 down to 100 at least appears logical on the surface.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 54):

No different really than less-than-daily international service that is very commonplace.

Very poor comparison if you ask me. This isn't 1x versus 0x on an high-cost route. This is 4x versus 0x on a low-cost route. RDU-BDL is much better comparison, and that goes from 1x to 0x on Saturday, which makes some sense.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4334 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 57):
But there's probably no point in DL trying to cater to PHL-based business travelers with PHL being a hub for US. They don't have the network on the PHL end to be the preferred carrier for those folks.

Maybe, but it seems to decrease the route's likelihood of success. And plenty of firms here, mine included, have contracts with DL as well as US (and AA, UA, WN etc) and might otherwise use the service.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):
I agree. No Saturday flights doesn't even pass the common sense test. Demand doesn't drop to zero on Saturdays. The customer looking for a Saturday nonstop flight won't take DL for either leg, lowering demand for the other 6 days in the process. This have the looks of a dartboard, have-to-find-CR2-flying-somewhere route.

RDU is one of DL's largest non-hub markets. History has shown us that DL is willing to invest in RDU and is willing to start new routes in attempt to grow the market. Many of the routes started at RDU over the past 5 years have been successful, and some have not always lasted. This is no different than any other airline when attempting to expand into new markets.

Why does everyone have such a problem with DL attempting new routes in RDU?

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):

I agree. No Saturday flights doesn't even pass the common sense test. Demand doesn't drop to zero on Saturdays. The customer looking for a Saturday nonstop flight won't take DL for either leg, lowering demand for the other 6 days in the process. This have the looks of a dartboard, have-to-find-CR2-flying-somewhere route.

There are plenty of flights and markets that do not operate on Saturdays. The entire CVG hub essentially does not operate on Saturdays.

For example:
CVG - PHL, DFW, MKE, ORD, STL, DCA, BWI, EWR, RDU, MSY, MEM, RIC, PIT, BNA
None of these routes operate at all on Saturdays. None, and during the week some of these flights operate as much as 3-4 times per day on 76 seaters.

MEM is the same way.

DL reduces capacity on the weekends on routes where they believe it is not profitable to fly and instead keeps more of the schedule intact for its larger connecting hubs.

Saturday easily has a 20-25% reduction in flights versus a weekday.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6572 posts, RR: 24
Reply 61, posted (1 year 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):
No Saturday flights doesn't even pass the common sense test. Demand doesn't drop to zero on Saturdays

But domestic business travel does go to almost zero on Saturdays. These flights whether it be the CVG routes or this new PHL-RDU are aimed almost solely at business travel. The reason being is that you can't make money filling RJ's with leisure travelers, so you might as well ground them on Saturday anyway.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):
200 down to 150, or 200 down to 100 at least appears logical on the surface.

Sure, there's still some demand on Saturday, but it's almost all leisure. DL can't make money on those folks with an RJ especially with US in the market flying larger low-cost metal.


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

Interesting, looks like an increase.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 61):
But domestic business travel does go to almost zero on Saturdays. These flights whether it be the CVG routes or this new PHL-RDU are aimed almost solely at business travel.

It's a bit more nuanced than that. Short and medium-haul business travel is almost zero on Saturdays. Routes like LAX-ORD have some demand (from people who get done with their work too late on Friday night to catch a flight out that night). PHL-RDU, however, is not such a route.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6432 posts, RR: 9
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 53):I feel quite sure that DL realizes all that you said,but will do what is best for Delta

I'd rephrase that a bit. Management does what it THINKS is best for the company. Doesn't mean it is.

I'm sure you would agree that DL management has more facts on hand than you do, to decide what it THINKS is best for the company


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):
Management does what it THINKS is best for the company. Doesn't mean it is.


This is supported by the fact that many initiatives, such as new on-board products or the launch of new routes, are often launched based on the expectations that they will succeed, but the success rate is no where close to 100%.

In addition, not all decisions are supported unanimously by management. Often times there are varying degrees of viewpoints on new initiatives, but a decision must ultimately be made and time will tell whether the decision is right or wrong.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 66, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3361 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 53):
I feel quite sure that DL realizes all that you said,but will do what is best for Delta

I'm not even aware of any other route that goes from 4 to 0 on Saturdays, so I'm not sure they have the data to make an informed decision on that. My guess is that there is an operational reason why they aren't flying on Sat. Could be station related or crew or C-check driven.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 54):
Not if the demand is so low it doesn't make financial sense to operate the route.
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):
I agree. No Saturday flights doesn't even pass the common sense test. Demand doesn't drop to zero on Saturdays.

Exactly

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):
The customer looking for a Saturday nonstop flight won't take DL for either leg, lowering demand for the other 6 days in the process.

Agreed

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):
This have the looks of a dartboard, have-to-find-CR2-flying-somewhere route.

Not sure it is a dartboard, but I do think it won't make money.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 61):
But domestic business travel does go to almost zero on Saturdays.

I disagree. A lot/lot/lot of conferences start on Sunday now and many people fly in the night before. Also, there are times you just can't get home on Friday night and need to fly on Saturday. I fly for business on Saturdays as often as I fly on Tuesday or Wednesday.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6572 posts, RR: 24
Reply 67, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 66):
I'm not even aware of any other route that goes from 4 to 0 on Saturdays,

CVG-DCA goes from 4 to 0 on Saturdays. It's even more drastic because those four flights are CR9's. As PSU_DTW_SCE pointed out, there's quite a few routes in DL's system that behave this way now. It's a brave new world in airline scheduling.

Quoting enilria (Reply 66):
I fly for business on Saturdays as often as I fly on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Then you are quite the outlier because that's simply not how most business travelers fly. My guess is that DL would run 25% LF's on this route if they ran it on Saturday. It's cheaper to leave the plane on the ground at that point. DL is going to struggle to make money on this route to begin with, no reason to make things worse by flying empty planes on Saturdays.


User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1166 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3208 times:
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Delta is further refining their seasonal strategy. Don't give back profits earned during the summer months by trying to maintain the same capacity during winter months. Now it is don't give back the profits earned Monday through Friday by running unprofitable flights on Saturday. Business people flying Saturday are few. The leisure passenger looking for a Saturday flight as long as they get a cheap fare will not complain if they are routed via ATL or DTW as long as the fare is cheap enough. Plus they will get some extra Delta Skymiles so that after 1 year they may have enough to fly to Orlando!


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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1570 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting silentbob (Reply 31):
with staffing problems at all of those regionals, it will be interesting to see what happens once the deal is approved. I don't think it will take long to find out.

Your comment got me thinking, so I started doing some digging. SkyWest (incl ASA/XE) is the largest Domestic carrier by departures. According to the DOT, in 1Q13 OO/EV had 333,011 departures. Next highest was WN with 271,426.

Crazy to think about!


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 70, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 35):
Here's the PHL-RDU schedule

DL3971 PHL0855 – 1025RDU CRJ x67
DL3850 PHL1200 – 1330RDU CRJ x6
DL3878 PHL1535 – 1705RDU CRJ x6
DL3879 PHL1825 – 1955RDU CRJ x6

DL3971 RDU0700 – 0830PHL CRJ x67
DL3870 RDU0855 – 1225PHL CRJ x6
DL3878 RDU1340 – 1510PHL CRJ x6
DL3879 RDU1630 – 1800PHL CRJ x6

Do we know where the planes are coming from and going to ?

I would imagine these planes are almost making a positional run based on the timing.



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User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 689 posts, RR: 4
Reply 71, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 70):
Do we know where the planes are coming from and going to ?

I would imagine these planes are almost making a positional run based on the timing.

The times don't really work for them to be turns--at least not without significant amounts of wasted ground time. They most likely connect to and from other hubs at PHL--CVG and DTW to be specific.

I've noticed UAX doing that a lot here at BNA--a plane and crew from IAH will continue to CLE or will go from ORD to IAD, as examples, rather than back to the hub from which it came.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 71):
The times don't really work for them to be turns--at least not without significant amounts of wasted ground time. They most likely connect to and from other hubs at PHL--CVG and DTW to be specific.

Most likey yes, I don't get why they didn't do a twice a day flight and maybe use the other planes on an MSY-RDU route.

With MEM going away it would seem RDU-MSY becomes much more profitable as a direct connect.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 73, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 71):
The times don't really work for them to be turns--at least not without significant amounts of wasted ground time. They most likely connect to and from other hubs at PHL--CVG and DTW to be specific.

With horrendous delays at PHL, it seems that it would make more sense to isolate this operation than to tie it to other hubs and risk misconnecting people on delayed hub flights.

One needs look no further than various UA outstations (including BNA) to see this point in action; when it's perfectly sunny in Houston, IAH flights can still take long delays if EWR inbounds operate the IAH flights.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 74, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 66):
I'm not even aware of any other route that goes from 4 to 0 on Saturdays, so I'm not sure they have the data to make an informed decision on that. My guess is that there is an operational reason why they aren't flying on Sat. Could be station related or crew or C-check driven.
Quoting enilria (Reply 66):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 54):Not if the demand is so low it doesn't make financial sense to operate the route.Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):I agree. No Saturday flights doesn't even pass the common sense test. Demand doesn't drop to zero on Saturdays.
Exactly

Agreed that demand doesn't drop to zero on Saturdays, but DL believes it cannot profitably attempt to capture the demand on nonstop flights on Saturdays. Are they walking away from business - yes. Is it profitable business - probably not.

Quoting enilria (Reply 66):
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 58):The customer looking for a Saturday nonstop flight won't take DL for either leg, lowering demand for the other 6 days in the process.
Agreed

This is fundamentally different than in decades past when airlines were chasing market share and every last passenger even if it was unprofitable business.

Quoting enilria (Reply 66):
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 61):But domestic business travel does go to almost zero on Saturdays.
I disagree. A lot/lot/lot of conferences start on Sunday now and many people fly in the night before. Also, there are times you just can't get home on Friday night and need to fly on Saturday. I fly for business on Saturdays as often as I fly on Tuesday or Wednesday.

I hate those conferences that start early on Sunday where you can't fly out in the morning. I really hate having to leave Saturday night for a conference. Most conferences that do start on Sunday usually don't start until early afternoon and Sundays are usually more of the fun/fluff/outing/networking type events wheras the real content usually doesn't kick-off until Sunday night or Monday morning.

RDU-PHL is not a huge convention/conference route anyways.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 67):
CVG-DCA goes from 4 to 0 on Saturdays. It's even more drastic because those four flights are CR9's. As PSU_DTW_SCE pointed out, there's quite a few routes in DL's system that behave this way now. It's a brave new world in airline scheduling.

Almost all of the 50 seat RJ flying at CVG, MEM, & RDU. A significant amount of the RJ flying at LGA. The last 1-2 evening banks of RJ flights out of DTW, MSP, ATL.

A vast majority of those flights do not operate on Saturdays.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6025 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Anxiously awaiting the next OAG update!


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 76, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 74):
Agreed that demand doesn't drop to zero on Saturdays, but DL believes it cannot profitably attempt to capture the demand on nonstop flights on Saturdays. Are they walking away from business - yes. Is it profitable business - probably not.

Well, I'm not suggesting they run 4, but I'd think 1 is not crazy.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 74):
I hate those conferences that start early on Sunday where you can't fly out in the morning. I really hate having to leave Saturday night for a conference. Most conferences that do start on Sunday usually don't start until early afternoon and Sundays are usually more of the fun/fluff/outing/networking type events wheras the real content usually doesn't kick-off until Sunday night or Monday morning.

All true, but it all adds up to business on Saturday. The reason the conferences are running Sunday to Tues or Weds is mostly to stay out of hotel room peaks driven by weekend leisure.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 75):

Anxiously awaiting the next OAG update!

Will post when available.  


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