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Air Zimbabwe Plans To Take On An A380  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18195 posts, RR: 50
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 28352 times:
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First it thought it was a joke but these words are coming from an Air Zimbabwe's spokesman:

Quote:
Air Zimbabwe has announced that it plans to take on an A380-800 as part of its long-haul fleet, in time for the resumption of Harare Int'l to London Gatwick flights in July. According to a report in Zimbabwe's Financial Gazette, Air Zimbabwe spokesman, Shingai Taruvinga, said a deal for a new A380 was underway, but could not disclose the identity of the owner, rumoured to be France-based. However, industry specialists have poured scorn on the move given that Harare International Airport has not the infrastructure to handle such an enormous aircraft. The Zimbabwean carrier was linked to two other high-profile deals in the past. The first, a planned deal with Ilyushin Design Bureau (Moscow Zhukovsky) for three Il-96s in 2008 and the second, for two A340-500s in 2011, neither of which ever came to fruition.

If true (which I doubt), I wonder where they could get an A380 so fast?

Story here:
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...3-air-zimbabwe-gung-ho-on-the-a380


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 12150 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 28137 times:

Hilarious!

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
I wonder where they could get an A380 so fast?

They have probably seen a Revell kit on eBay.


Dan  



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18195 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 28087 times:
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This article has more details:

Quote:
AirZim has not revealed from whom it is leasing this plane, but industry players speculate that this is also from a France-based airline.
http://www.financialgazette.co.zw/?p=43481

This leaves two options:

> They lease MSN002 from Airbus.
> Or they lease an A380 from AF.

Again: if true  



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User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 3464 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 28082 times:

I think the report is correct. You just have to deduct 40 from all numbers > 300  

User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 28076 times:

They would need the A380's freights ability to carry enough Zim. Dollars to pay for it.

Dave



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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 28077 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
The Zimbabwean carrier was linked to two other high-profile deals in the past. The first, a planned deal with Ilyushin Design Bureau (Moscow Zhukovsky) for three Il-96s in 2008 and the second, for two A340-500s in 2011, neither of which ever came to fruition.

So its safe to say that this "deal" is as real as the tooth fairy? They have a total of 4 planes, one of which is stored and they want to get a hold of an A380?  


User currently offlinescarebus03 From Ireland, joined Apr 2005, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 27909 times:

I wonder if it's part of an election strategy. Whatever happened to the Air Austral order for '380s?

Brgds



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User currently onlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 27913 times:

They would have to wet lease it, wouldn't they? I don't think 6 weeks would be enough time to train the crews required.

User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 27557 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 4):
They would need the A380's freights ability to carry enough Zim. Dollars to pay for it.

Zimbabwe has been using US Dollars for a while now, I'd know, I was there last year and also in January of this year.


This seems a little rediculous, however, Zimbabwe as a country is starting to pick up again. Harare is bustling, there's food on the shelves, new restaurants are popping up everywhere, people are still as happy and friendly as ever. It's great news for my family, as we love to go to Zimbabwe for holidays. Honestly still one of the best destinations for a holiday, period.

So, although an A380 seems a little rediculous, it seems as if Air Zimbabwe might become a Phoenix, reborn from its ashes.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 29316 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 27393 times:

Quoting scarebus03 (Reply 6):
Whatever happened to the Air Austral order for '380s?

Airbus is still showing the order for 2 A380s on the latest orders/deliveries spreadsheet. Speculation last year seemed to indicate that they were likely to be cancelled but can't find anything official.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 33963 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 27278 times:
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Maybe it's meant to be a presidential transport for Robert Mugabe?

User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 27237 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
First it thought it was a joke but these words are coming from an Air Zimbabwe's spokesman:

It could still be a joke.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 3):
I think the report is correct. You just have to deduct 40 from all numbers > 300

or this.


User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 27185 times:

Is Airbus THAT desperate for A380 sales?!

User currently offlinerampbro From Canada, joined Nov 2012, 462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 27125 times:

Due to their famous inflation levels, what is discussed as an 'A380' in Zim is actually a used A320 in all Y config, with no engines, and in NK livery.

User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1884 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 26875 times:

Jokes aside, once they abandoned the local currency, inflation has come under control, I think.

User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3468 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26747 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...j320neo-launch-says-airbus-386084/

Read the last sentance or two of this article.......

however MSN002 can't just be flown off now, it's got no engines and hasn't flown for a number of years - would be cheap though if someone wanted to buy it!


User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26638 times:

Seriously, I had to check my computer for the date in case I was having a senior moment and it was April. The first.

They can't afford a B735. There is no way they could afford the associated costs with an entirely new massive aircraft. If SA can't afford or need them, why would UM?



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User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 808 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 25215 times:

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 8):
This seems a little rediculous, however, Zimbabwe as a country is starting to pick up again. Harare is bustling, there's food on the shelves, new restaurants are popping up everywhere, people are still as happy and friendly as ever. It's great news for my family, as we love to go to Zimbabwe for holidays. Honestly still one of the best destinations for a holiday, period.

Indeed, that is great news. I have never been but hope to change that soon.


User currently offlineAmexair From Ethiopia, joined Sep 2009, 69 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 24788 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 4):

They would need the A380's freights ability to carry enough Zim. Dollars to pay for it.

  


User currently offlineplaneguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 24641 times:

Does HRE even have the infrastructure to accommodate an A380? What are they thinking?

User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 24492 times:

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 8):
So, although an A380 seems a little rediculous, it seems as if Air Zimbabwe might become a Phoenix, reborn from its ashes.

What Zimbabwe ultimately needs is a stable, democratic, free government. Until fundamental changes come, there will simply not be enough stability for a long term airline to do well.

What happens the next time anything happens?

WHat amazes me - banks are willing to end to UM.

Dave



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User currently offlinekhpn From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 24351 times:

there is simply no way this will ever come to fruition.
great laugh to start my day though!


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 1068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 24128 times:

Quoting planeguy (Reply 19):
Does HRE even have the infrastructure to accommodate an A380? What are they thinking?

They ain't!

This title is more suitable as a stand-up line ...  


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 15568 posts, RR: 100
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 23374 times:
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I am an enthusiast for the A380, but this makes no sense to me.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):
> They lease MSN002 from Airbus.
> Or they lease an A380 from AF.

Again: if true  

Those make sense as airframes.

Quoting rampbro (Reply 13):

Due to their famous inflation levels, what is discussed as an 'A380' in Zim is actually a used A320 in all Y config, with no engines, and in NK livery.

   You sure its not a used, but flying F100?

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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3282 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 23249 times:

If Air Zim got their hands on some new Antonov's or something rolling off a chinese production line (unlikely as even the Chinese US engines and I believe that's an issue) They'll be doing well. Believe this one when I see it.

User currently offlineflyingwithfish From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 23973 times:

If you think Air Zimbabwe can seriously take on an A380, take a look at this - Air Zimbabwe Comes To The End Of The Road - http://bit.ly/zuScfu

I covered their demise for more than a year and got hard confirmation from Airbus that squashed their repeated claims that they planned to receive two A340-500. The above story is laced with links to other stories that go into the depths of how much trouble AirZim has been in. While the airline is back, it is still barely a shell game.



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User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 23284 times:

This thread has great comedic potential.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 8665 posts, RR: 57
Reply 27, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23815 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
If true (which I doubt), I wonder where they could get an A380 so fast?

The money for the aircraft is found it seems.... Apparantly the finance minister is in touch via gmail with a prince in Nigeria who has some money he needs looking after...

 



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3438 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 22816 times:

Hey, they could beat EK and become the first scheduled A380 operator at LGW!

Even though I don't believe it will ever happen, nor do I think they should, it would be fun to see!

-CXfirst



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 10887 posts, RR: 33
Reply 29, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 22161 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Maybe it's meant to be a presidential transport for Robert Mugabe?

That was my first thought when I read the headline. Mugabe could pay this out of his pocket but why should he when he owns the state bank.

However, this won't happen, they simply don't have the infrastructure to handle, even if they base the aircraft at LGW.

BTW anyone checked the sanctions? This might be a much bigger hurdle than filthy cash.

.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 2128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20519 times:

First of all they wouldn't be able to fill and A380 to LGW, also aren't there a ton of political sanctions on Zimbabwe because of Mugabe? I also know a few Zimbabweans in the UK and none of them have any desire whatsoever to even go home and visit when the situation is as it is.

I think this is all propaganda.



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User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20442 times:

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 15):
however MSN002 can't just be flown off now, it's got no engines and hasn't flown for a number of years - would be cheap though if someone wanted to buy it!

I guess that will not happen very soon. Even as mentioned in the tread I also doubt this. Maybe they can get one from EK when they have about 100 of those in there fleet for a good price!!


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8383 posts, RR: 20
Reply 32, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20063 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):
> They lease MSN002 from Airbus.

If they lease it, it won't be 002...but is this no longer being the flying palace?



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User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20138 times:

A6-EDA will be 5 year old in July. UM can try getting that frame?

UM can have an ambition to buy A380, so to me it is bit upsetting laughing at them or their issues in the country. They are in a mess not by choice but because of some people who run their country.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 2128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19972 times:

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 33):
UM can have an ambition to buy A380, so to me it is bit upsetting laughing at them or their issues in the country. They are in a mess not by choice but because of some people who run their country.

That is true but you haven't got a hope in hell in running an airline if you have a completely wharped business plan. Also, remember the government and Air Zimbabwe are hardly independent of each other. It's propaganda; nothing more, nothing less.



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 4287 posts, RR: 4
Reply 35, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19617 times:

The whole thing appears to be complete fantasy, a struggling airline from a struggling Country states that they are going to operate the Worlds largest commercial airliner, when they don't have the infrastructure, and its a frame with a relatively small number flying, and no sign of one being available.

On the other hand when was reality ever a factor in places like Zimbabwe ? Mugabe and co will surely have enough money squirreled away somewhere to pay for one, so that's not a factor. Don't need it, case surely proven but it will be handy for those shopping trips to Harrods and Harvey Nichols. Infrastructure, once again it would only fly at best 1/3 full so no problem. Lack of aircraft availability, money as ever talks.

Its 99% certain that this is all hot air and wishful thinking, but stranger things have happened, and I'm sure Robert Mugabe would love to turn up at International conferences in his A380 whilst the leaders of far larger Countries fly scheduled. And it would even dwarf Air Force 1


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 36, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17142 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 35):
and I'm sure Robert Mugabe would love to turn up at International conferences in his A380 whilst the leaders of far larger Countries fly scheduled. And it would even dwarf Air Force 1

Much overcompensating for something indeed. Maybe he REALLY thinks that if he shows up at the next big wig days event. in his big shiny new plane, that those in that circle will find a new respect for him, and the lovely country of Zimbabwe.

My cousin used to pilot for UM, and if what he says is correct, then that 380 would indeed have a harder life than most 380s currently flying. Plus many last minute trips to China or where ever the shopping leads him and the Mrs.



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User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 15402 times:
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Well, the lease rate for an A380 is approx. 1.5 Mio USd per months. Certainly affordable for Air Zim...


Aircraft are marginal costs with wings.
User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15387 times:
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Quoting scarebus03 (Reply 6):
I wonder if it's part of an election strategy. Whatever happened to the Air Austral order for '380s?

Actually they ordered only one A380, S/N 129 with delivery 2014



Aircraft are marginal costs with wings.
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 33963 posts, RR: 85
Reply 39, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15357 times:
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Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 33):
A6-EDA will be 5 year old in July. UM can try getting that frame?

Are not most of EK's planes on lease (via sale-and-lease back)? And they seem to need every A380 they have.



Quoting RWA380 (Reply 36):
Maybe he REALLY thinks that if he shows up at the next big wig days event. in his big shiny new plane, that those in that circle will find a new respect for him, and the lovely country of Zimbabwe.

  

An A380 would reinforce his "Big Man" status amongst his peers in Africa.


User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15320 times:
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Well, I got it! S/N 149 is an unknown order. MUST be Air Zim...  


Aircraft are marginal costs with wings.
User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15243 times:
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There is a Rumour, that Air Koryo has ordered A380s too.... 


Aircraft are marginal costs with wings.
User currently offlinepeterinlisbon From Portugal, joined Jan 2006, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14647 times:

Maybe Mugabe needs a new private jet, and this is the only one big enough for his ego. Seriously though, a bankrupt airline from a bankrupt nation run by a crazy paranoid dictator that has run his country's economy into the ground and hates white people and especially Britain is going to start flying an A380 to London? They should get a few second hand 757/767s for the same price and try to create a realistic business plan, perhaps by providing onward connections to some of the other nearby economic disaster zones, genocide centres, warzones and rape and AIDs hotspots. If they do get them they should call their first A380 "Lunatic Dictator" and the second one "My Wallet".

User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14361 times:

G'day

I guess with South Africa's Zuma trying to get hold of a 777 for his personal use this is a matter of mine is bigger than yours. One size up from a B777 is A380, arguably also the B747-8, so Mugabe has not much of a choice.   


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User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 14064 times:
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Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 43):
this is a matter of mine is bigger than yours

He must have a pretty small one if he needs the biggest one available...  



Aircraft are marginal costs with wings.
User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 5541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13017 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 4):
They would need the A380's freights ability to carry enough Zim. Dollars to pay for it.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Maybe it's meant to be a presidential transport for Robert Mugabe?
Quoting rampbro (Reply 13):
what is discussed as an 'A380' in Zim is actually a used A320 in all Y config, with no engines
Quoting planeguy (Reply 19):
Does HRE even have the infrastructure to accommodate an A380?
Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 24):
If Air Zim got their hands on some new Antonov's or something
Quoting peterinlisbon (Reply 42):
Maybe Mugabe needs a new private jet

This does not cost as much as an A380 so it fits the bill nicely...    .

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Could go shopping at most European destinations if it gets too hot in HRE...    .

Might even get the earliest VIP delivery slot if the order is placed.  



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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 9706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 46, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12447 times:
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This post needs to be shut down. Cubana would be the next A380 airline if this was credible.

User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9896 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 32):
If they lease it, it won't be 002...but is this no longer being the flying palace?

Nope, Alwaleed bin Talal has sold it. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...o-invest-in-middle-east-firms.html

Btw, the A380 just seems to be a repeat of history as far as that part of Africa is concerned. Mobutu Sese Seko used to charter an AF Concorde for his (or was it the missus?) shopping trips.



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User currently offlinepfletch1228 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9778 times:

Quoting DexSwart (Reply 8):
This seems a little rediculous, however, Zimbabwe as a country is starting to pick up again. Harare is bustling, there's food on the shelves, new restaurants are popping up everywhere, people are still as happy and friendly as ever. It's great news for my family, as we love to go to Zimbabwe for holidays. Honestly still one of the best destinations for a holiday, period.

Ditto my recent experiences. Honestly, I was shocked by the rate of progress. Obviously it will take years to recover, but I am immensely pleased that they have taken such huge strides. 2009 was dismal...

As for Mugabe - he is 89 and in the departure lounge. He doesn't really have much influence in the country anymore, everything has been handed over to his cronies, and in most cases, for the better.

As a side note, Air Zim have recently taken delivery of 2 x A320 (c/n 630 & 1973).



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User currently offlinepeterinlisbon From Portugal, joined Jan 2006, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8262 times:

Ah, now I understand. It's not for Mugabe, it's for all of his cronies that are going to take over... that's why it needs to be so big!

User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 9122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Do we know the new owner of 002 yet?.

User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 3294 posts, RR: 26
Reply 51, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

Their are going to get the A380 that Mexicana ordered....

BTW I have a nice bridge I can sell to you real cheap... and its in Brooklyn !

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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 5541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

Saw a picture of the An-168 private jet model.....

.
http://m1.i.pbase.com/o5/93/329493/1...1.ADKHfnAl.DubaiAirshow2009019.jpg

Perhaps development work on the new AI-28 engine could reduce fuel burn and increase range significantly for what would likely be a lightly loaded business jet version.

May be a deft way around sanctions too, and (doubt this is desired) - for keeping a low profile...small CIS type able to slip in and out unnoticed    .

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ine-for-antonov-jet-family-374637/


However, as stated above.....

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 35):

Its 99% certain that this is all hot air and wishful thinking, but stranger things have happened



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 8726 posts, RR: 15
Reply 53, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 3):
I think the report is correct. You just have to deduct 40 from all numbers > 300

You forgot about 100% inflation, with that in mind a 380 becomes a ratty 732.



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User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6139 times:

Good enough with all these jokes !

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