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Airbus In Advanced Talks With Easyjet  
User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 530 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14680 times:

From Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...asyjet-order-idUSBRE95C0SH20130613


Looks like Airbus has prevented the rumored re-defection

[Edited 2013-06-13 09:55:41]

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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14033 times:

Quote:
now wants to replace easyJet's ageing 156-seat A319s, which make up around three quarters of its fleet, with more cost effective and fuel-efficient 180-seat jets.

Those are the days I remember when airlines flying 727s, Dc 9s (some still do   ) and 737-200s for more than twenty years, now A319s build in the earls 2000 years are considered AGEING !!!!!!!

Also interesting it will be no more A319s but A320NEOs for Easy if Airbus wins the order. Maybe we will see an order in Le Bourget  



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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13955 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 1):
Also interesting it will be no more A319s but A320NEOs for Easy if Airbus wins the order. Maybe we will see an order in Le Bourget

Despite all the rumours .... I would be very surprised if Airbus didn't get this order.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13893 times:

So far for the CSeries rumors. The original thread can be found here:

Possible CSeries Order By EasyJet (by KarelXWB May 16 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting columba (Reply 1):
Also interesting it will be no more A319s but A320NEOs for Easy if Airbus wins the order.

Perhaps this still leaves some room for the CSeries? Going from 100 A319s to 100 A320s is a big capacity increase.



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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13568 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
Perhaps this still leaves some room for the CSeries? Going from 100 A319s to 100 A320s is a big capacity increase.

Yes- it will leave a nice gap for the c series.

Quoting chiad (Reply 2):
Despite all the rumours .... I would be very surprised if Airbus didn't get this order.

And giving one more win for the all conquering NEO. I expected that the MAX program would pull in the NEO lead a lot quicker than it is doing now.

[Edited 2013-06-13 13:49:56]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13493 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 4):
I expected that the MAX program would pull in the NEO lead a lot quicker than it is doing now.

The Neo will likely stay in the "lead" because it has an 2-years delivery slot advantage.

[Edited 2013-06-13 13:57:13]


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12707 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
Quoting columba (Reply 1):Also interesting it will be no more A319s but A320NEOs for Easy if Airbus wins the order.
Perhaps this still leaves some room for the CSeries? Going from 100 A319s to 100 A320s is a big capacity increase.

That would be my thinking; they need an aircraft in the 150 seat class, but that's more likely to be a C-series, not a 319NEO; the Airbus order will be for 320NEOs.

It would be a massive boost to the C-series to get a blue-chip low cost carrier on board.


User currently offlinetkukucka From Australia, joined Apr 2013, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12359 times:

All this Boeing talk made airbus knees knock so they said something to make themselves feel better lol.

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9021 times:

What will also be interesting is what engine they choose. Their A319s have CFMs but will the GTF cause them to switch engine supplier, especially with the potential commonality with the GTF on the C series?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8839 times:
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Quoting ap305 (Reply 4):
I expected that the MAX program would pull in the NEO lead a lot quicker than it is doing now.

I haven't run the numbers myself, but I have heard that the MAX is tracking about as well as the A320neo did at the same point in their respective launches.

Overall, the A320neo has averaged 2.33 sales a day (across 911 days) compared to the MAX's 2.03 sales per day (across 680 days) per http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm so the MAX is closing the gap even though it's been on sale 2/3rds as long (and is spotting the A320neo many, many hundreds of delivery positions due to it's later EIS).


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3003 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8496 times:

What do people think about easyJet getting the A321 NEO???

I was thinking there might be a likelihood of a mixed order of A321 and A320 NEOs... Especially for slot contrained airports like LGW.

It wouldn't surprise me if we saw an order of 20-30 A321's...

I think we will also see a similar order of around 100 C-Series aircraft too, ordered at the same time.


User currently onlineRickNRoll From Afghanistan, joined Jan 2012, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8006 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
I haven't run the numbers myself, but I have heard that the MAX is tracking about as well as the A320neo did at the same point in their respective launches.

Overall, the A320neo has averaged 2.33 sales a day (across 911 days) compared to the MAX's 2.03 sales per day (across 680 days) per http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm so the MAX is closing the gap even though it's been on sale 2/3rds as long (and is spotting the A320neo many, many hundreds of delivery positions due to it's later EIS).

Isn't the problem for Airbus a sheer inability to build enough? If Easyjet places an order, when will they expect to get them at the earliest?

Quoting columba (Reply 1):
Those are the days I remember when airlines flying 727s, Dc 9s (some still do ) and 737-200s for more than twenty years, now A319s build in the earls 2000 years are considered AGEING !!!!!!!

By the time they actually get their planes, how old will the current ones be?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7979 times:

Quoting RickNRoll (Reply 11):
Isn't the problem for Airbus a sheer inability to build enough? If Easyjet places an order, when will they expect to get them at the earliest?

They probably have some delivery slots left because not every customer will take all Neo's before 2020. Many are slated for a > 2020 delivery, leaving some slots open before the end of the decade.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 10):
What do people think about easyJet getting the A321 NEO???

The article is talking about the A320, not the A321.



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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7666 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
haven't run the numbers myself, but I have heard that the MAX is tracking about as well as the A320neo did at the same point in their respective launches.

There was a feature in Flightglobal last week saying that the MAX had outsold the NEO during the period it had been on offer.

This of course can be interpereted as many airlines that wanted the NEO had already ordered it before the MAX was offered.


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7056 times:

Stitch

If the Max is selling 2.03 per day, and the NEO 2.33 per day, then the NEO is moving away rather than the MAX catching up.

David


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1781 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

Quoting RickNRoll (Reply 11):

By the time they actually get their planes, how old will the current ones be?

It is possible, I imagine, that an additional order may be made for 'conventional'/current models to bridge the gap until the neo/max/cseries are delivered.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5217 times:
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Quoting ap305 (Thread starter):
Looks like Airbus has prevented the rumored re-defection

Would be good if they did so. But the rumours could also be made bigger as part of negotiations tactics. Everything is possible here. But another 100 A320-neo's would of course be very welcome for Airbus and Easyjet.  .


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 10):

What do people think about easyJet getting the A321 NEO???

It is inevitable.


Dan  



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

Given that they acquired A321 as part of GB Air, and offloaded them, I see no reason to assume that they will buy the A321NEO.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11615 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4996 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 18):

Given that they acquired A321 as part of GB Air, and offloaded them, I see no reason to assume that they will buy the A321NEO.

Different engines, they offloaded all the GB Airways A320s too.


Dan  



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 10):
What do people think about easyJet getting the A321 NEO???
I was thinking there might be a likelihood of a mixed order of A321 and A320 NEOs

Despite all the MAX talk, I assumed that this order would go to Airbus (of course, I might yet be proved wrong). Definitely don't see A319NEOs (or B737MAXs) being ordered by Easy but think that A321NEOs will be part of the fleet at some point.

That leaves the question of a smaller capacity aircraft. They could eliminate routes not capable of supporting the A320, could run a smaller fleet of the more recent A319s until 2020 or later while they decide what to do (the most recent are only a couple of years old) or order C-Series. I will be pleasantly surprised if they go down the C-Series route in the near future.



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9978 posts, RR: 96
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4000 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Overall, the A320neo has averaged 2.33 sales a day (across 911 days) compared to the MAX's 2.03 sales per day (across 680 days)

Thanks for the metrics and the links Stitch

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 14):
If the Max is selling 2.03 per day, and the NEO 2.33 per day, then the NEO is moving away rather than the MAX catching up

The complication is that the launches are closer together (1 year) than the EIS (c. 2 years), so based on availability alone, the MAX is likely to lag in this metric

Rgds


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

> 35 A320ceo
> 100 A320neo
> 100 options
> Deliveries from 2017

http://corporate.easyjet.com/media/l...2013/18-06-2013-en.aspx?sc_lang=en



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Stelios will not be happy

He was pushing for them to spend less on planes and pay dividends instead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21215916


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

About the possibility of ordering the CSeries:

Quote:
Regarding #Airbus fleet deal, EasyJet says "that's everything" - in other words, don't expect a bolt-on order for any other aircraft.
http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/346890532204732416



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12393 posts, RR: 46
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2984 times:
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Quoting bennett123 (Reply 23):
Stelios will not be happy

He was pushing for them to spend less on planes and pay dividends instead.

Is he ever? This still has to be approved by the shareholders, so he'll get a chance to make his point.



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

So, after all the talk and the rumours and the "Easy are switching to the MAX" and "Easy are going to order the C Series" and "Ryanair are talking Airbus again" stories, we ended up with the totally and utterly predictable result! (FR ordered more 737s, U2 ordered more A320s).

Oh well, at least we got to talk about something while waiting   Back to "When will DL(NW) retire DC-9s?"..........



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User currently offlineblueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2865 posts, RR: 25
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

It is as it was always going to be.

Congratulations to Airbus and Easy on an excellent deal.

Rgds



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

I feel sorry for the C-Series... The NEO and Max just seem to be swallowing up existing customers and gaining new ones whilst the new E-jet is annihilating its regional capacity.

One of the biggest lame ducks of modern times?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 23):
Stelios will not be happy

Here is his statement:

Quote:
Stelios on EasyJet #Airbus order: “Yet another huge capital expenditure deal with the same supplier at 'secret' prices.


http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/346932302363885569



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2294 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 22):
> 35 A320ceo
> 100 A320neo
> 100 options
> Deliveries from 2017

http://corporate.easyjet.com/media/l...ng=en

That is nice result for all parties involved, except for Stelios.   The 100 options are the bonus in this deal I guess.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3872 posts, RR: 5
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

The "pending shareholder approval" part worries me, as Stelios has been an outspoken critic of both fleet renewal in general and of the Airbus fleet in specific in recent years - can he potentially block this? Can he threaten. To withdraw Easy trademark rights to force the issue?

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12393 posts, RR: 46
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2032 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 31):
The "pending shareholder approval" part worries me, as Stelios has been an outspoken critic of both fleet renewal in general and of the Airbus fleet in specific in recent years - can he potentially block this? Can he threaten. To withdraw Easy trademark rights to force the issue?

I believe he has something like a 35-37% holding, so on his own he can't block anything. He was certainly unable to block the last big order, despite his opposition to it.

I think he's already given up control of the trademarks.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...show-easyjet-idUSBRE95H04Q20130618

Quote:
Sources close to easyJet CEO Carolyn McCall said she is confident of winning approval for the deal from shareholders despite opposition from Stelios, who is expected to vote against it at a shareholder meeting due to take place next month.

EasyJet is sending a detailed circular to shareholders this afternoon and airline executives will meet its top institutional investors to discuss the order in the coming weeks, sources close to the airline said.



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 31):
can he potentially block this?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...jun/18/easyjet-stelios-airbus-deal

"led by Haji-Iaonnou and his family, who speak for 37% of the airline."
"The airline said 85 of the 135 A320s would replace ageing planes in its fleet. McCall said the rest would be deployed for "organic growth in existing markets from our main network centres"."



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