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User currently onlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 648 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4171 times:
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So TPA is growing at a steady rate, but I was wondering what y'all though was coming. First off, B6 is starting service to Hartford and SWA to Memphis. Could BA switch the LGW flight to LHR and offer a wider range of connections?


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

I have no idea what Tampa airport has to do with Jet Blue in Hartford or Southwest in Memphis or British Airways at London Gatwick. So confused.

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User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Quoting avi8 (Thread starter):

Doubt they would waste a very precious heathrow slot on TPA. TPA is leisure travel essentially, so they would not use a slot on it, and it seems gatwick is fine. If anything, I would hope for year round daily, and possibly twice daily in peak season. But that's wishful thinking. Blah blah blah about that barely once weekly charter service I see from edelweiss. Continue boasting about that ninety eight percent load factor. Hopefully in the next five or so years, we could hear the announcement of a LH flight. Whether it being Avianca or B6, I would imagine a flight to Bogota could be a top priority, and realistic given the large, and growing population of columbians in Tampa. Also it could work as a gateway to south and parts of central America. Maybe Copa? But what I am waiting on is more transcontinental service. AS would be a dream, and I thought we had a good shot for virgin America in the future, but losses, and cutting fleet growth, has lessened the chance. Maybe if they rebound from it, they could inaugurate service to LAX and SFO. But basically, we are just filling in domestic holes, more carriers adding service to same cities. I wonder if B6 could fill in more markets, domestically, and even test out Midwest markets and western markets from TPA. And in the later future, south America. As far as international growth, Canada possibly, slightly, and south/central America. If Europe, a large hub, such as Frankfurt, is all we will likely see.


User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 2):
Doubt they would waste a very precious heathrow slot on TPA. TPA is leisure travel essentially, so they would not use a slot on it, and it seems gatwick is fine. If anything, I would hope for year round daily, and possibly twice daily in peak season. But that's wishful thinking.

   When it comes to transatlantic, TPA is pretty much 100% leisure traffic. Like MCO, TPA could never justify the use of a scarce LHR slot. Many connections can still be made at LGW, though. Every major European city can also be accessed 1-stop via ATL, BOS, DTW, EWR, IAD, JFK, MIA, ORD, PHL, YYZ, or YUL.

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 2):
Hopefully in the next five or so years, we could hear the announcement of a LH flight.

LH, no. DE or AB, perhaps.

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 2):
Whether it being Avianca or B6, I would imagine a flight to Bogota could be a top priority, and realistic given the large, and growing population of columbians in Tampa. Also it could work as a gateway to south and parts of central America. Maybe Copa?

There have been rumors about CM to TPA for quite some time, and given their continuing U.S. expansion it's probably only a matter of time until it happens.

BOG is far less likely, especially if CM does start PTY-TPA. BOG/Colombia would probably be a critical feeder market for any CM service. AV only serves major U.S. gateways and destinations - DC, NYC, Orlando, South Florida, and previously LAX. B6 got burned on their last attempt at international service from TPA. I can't see either carrier even remotely considering a nonstop TPA-BOG service as it stands today, although I do think it may be time for B6 to start thinking about TPA-FLL (and MCO-FLL) as they continue to expand into Latin America and the Caribbean from FLL. Sooner or later WN will drop TPA-FLL, although they cut MCO-FLL and nobody seemed to care.

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 2):
what I am waiting on is more transcontinental service. AS would be a dream, and I thought we had a good shot for virgin America in the future, but losses, and cutting fleet growth, has lessened the chance. Maybe if they rebound from it, they could inaugurate service to LAX and SFO.

Well, DL did recently retime the one transcon that TPA does have (TPA-LAX) for the better. I recently read here that AS is seriously considering TPA, so like CM, that may be a new airline for Tampans to watch for.

As for VX, Florida seems to be one of the weakest parts of their network. They are cutting SFO-MCO altogether, leaving MCO with just one daily flight (LAX) up against 3 nonstop competitors (AA, DL, and UA) that all offer superior 2x daily frequency on the route. Then there's FLL, where B6 has successfully increased frequency on both FLL-LAX and FLL-SFO (I guess having feed at FLL is more helpful than feed at SFO and LAX) while for reasons that I still don't understand legacies have joined the fray - AA on FLL-LAX, UA on FLL-SFO. Somehow VX appears to be holding its own in spite of all the competition, but I can't see them being able to pull off any kind of TPA service, even just from LAX. In any case they have bigger fish to fry, like ATL, Houston, and PHX.

Now, if SEA-TPA is potentially viable, I would be very surprised if SFO-TPA is not. This is a perfect mission for UA, and seeing as how they have been willing to add some surprisingly long, thin routes out of SFO like MSY and RDU, I wouldn't rule it out. It really just comes down to O&D, and TPA is probably competing against dynamic similar-sized markets like BDL, BNA, CMH, and IND for possible nonstop UA service to their SFO hub.

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 2):
basically, we are just filling in domestic holes, more carriers adding service to same cities.

Well, F9 to ILG is technically a new market, even if there is a lot of service to nearby PHL  . WN may well be the only carrier to MEM in a year or so, but in any case competition on that route and BDL is a great thing. Lower fares to and from TPA, more tourists coming in and spending money in the area. Also don't forget about PIE, which hosts G4 service to tons of small and medium-sized markets that aren't served nonstop from TPA by any carrier. Just be glad that TPA has kept costs for its airline partners reasonable, unlike one major Florida airport that has driven away several major airlines due to its sky high costs.

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 2):
I wonder if B6 could fill in more markets, domestically, and even test out Midwest markets and western markets from TPA. And in the later future, south America.

TPA seems to be one of B6's favorite markets that isn't a hub or focus city. They allocated one of those scarce DCA slots to TPA service, and now are starting nonstop BDL. B6 is very weak in the Midwest, and other than JFK-ABQ and SEA-ANC hasn't done much of anything out west lately, but perhaps some more p2p service linking TPA with their Northeast stronghold, and TPA-FLL as I mentioned earlier - give access to Latin America and the Caribbean, like NK and AA do. Not sure if any additional nonstop TPA-Latin America/Caribbean stuff would be viable on B6 though.

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 2):
As far as international growth, Canada possibly, slightly, and south/central America. If Europe, a large hub, such as Frankfurt, is all we will likely see.

Actually, I think Mexico should be a major focus. If there is one airline that can pull off TPA-CUN, it's WN. They would have superior feed and FFer loyalty compared to anyone/everyone else that has tried or seriously considered it. If they can make something like AUS-SJD work, TPA-CUN should be easy. Akin to EYW and perhaps CUN, WN might have enough feed at TPA to serve major foreign tourist markets like MBJ, NAS, or PUJ. I recall NW serving MBJ from TPA back in the early 2000s! Maybe WN could even try MEX from TPA, or they could woo a Mexican LCC.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6465 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 2):
I recall NW serving MBJ from TPA back in the early 2000s

NW flew to both MBJ and CUN at that time.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 4):
NW flew to both MBJ and CUN at that time.



And the 1990s, also they served Grand Cayman but I don't remember if it was through TPA. If you watch the movie "The Firm" Tom Cruise and Gene Hackman fly NWA from MEM to Grand Cayman.



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User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 3):

relating to the PTY and BOG topic, I was figuring a one or the other thing. Even though it may seem more likely that CM is coming to Tampa, it surprises me, and I recently found this article on the Columbian growth in Tampa: http://tbo.com/news/breaking-news/co...d-home-in-hillsborough-b82497621z1
That doesn't necessarily call for a route, but continued growth, and that as a start could bring forth a 1/daily a320 service from AV to BOG. And there has been delegations discussing further trade between Tampa and Columbia, although I believe the city is Medellin-Cordova, and that route is no where near being brought up. Basically, either PTY or BOG could be started in the future. Also, what backs up the flight to MCO? Isn't there Colombian population only a fraction of Tampa's? Is it based fully off tourism?

Going back to the German flight, I doubt AB would fly to TPA, as they already fly to RSW. But they would operate different locations, which changes it up. I guess it is my ego, which is against Condor. I would prefer a large international carrier offering widebody jets, and higher-frequencies compared to the charter-like service that Edelweiss, and similarly Condor would bring forth. I was annoyed when I saw that they were not operating a second weekly flight this number. "Well of course, they operate three longhaul aircraft to 20+ destinations", and one was added (NRT, for some reason it was delayed previously).

VX seems like a carrier that would not really succeed in Florida, and they are ditching the SFO service from MCO. They want to attract the business people, flying transcon flights from LAX and SFO to NYC. Maybe with very little to no competition from TPA, they could lock up some business travelers, and get the general market to, and fill up flights. I cannot testify as to the FLL service, but they are facing competition with Jetblue, and American to LAX, and United to SFO. At MCO, I guess they couldn't even survive only competing against UA to SFO. I see SFO as a matter of time, and a market that is there.

I think B6 could build up TPA well domestically, although as you mention, they should start multi daily E90 service between TPA-FLL, and book people through FLL to the caribbean, and south America, adn central America. But would this be new experimenting, as they have very little connecting service, and seem they ant to stick away from it. But here, they could take some passengers off of AA's hands, because so many of the passengers flying on TPA-MIA, which is six daily 738 right now, is people heading to that region.

And once the Southwest situation with airtran resolves, i think TPA could have a great route structure, and start service to those few popular caribbean cities (punta cana, montego bay, and even NAS). Currently, DL has service to CUN, but once weekly seasonally is not taking it that seriously, so maybe some carrier could start it, and possibly other destinations in mexico. MEX is less of e tourist market from TPA, and more of a market capturing the large amound of mexicans in Tampa Bay area. According to wiki, I believe it is 2010 census, the Tampa Bay area has alomst 150,000 mexican people. Volaris could be a good option, but they do serve MCO.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6465 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
And the 1990s, also they served Grand Cayman but I don't remember if it was through TPA. If you watch the movie "The Firm" Tom Cruise and Gene Hackman fly NWA from MEM to Grand Cayman.

The NW flight to GCM went via MIA


User currently onlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 892 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 6):
Even though it may seem more likely that CM is coming to Tampa

How is it more than likely, google "Tampa Copa Airlines" and you get a few articles about the mayor and the airport director begging for CM to come.

In my opinion, CM serves DEN before TPA even though its a bit long.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 3):
unlike one major Florida airport that has driven away several major airlines due to its sky high costs.

If you're talking about MIA....what MAJOR airlines have left?

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 4):
flew to both MBJ and CUN at that time.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
And the 1990s, also they served Grand Cayman but I don't remember if it was through TPA. If you watch the movie "The Firm" Tom Cruise and Gene Hackman fly NWA from MEM to Grand Cayman.

Well remember.....NW had a hub @ TPA

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 6):
I was annoyed when I saw that they were not operating a second weekly flight this number.

Annoyed???  

[quote=tortugamon,reply=1]I have no idea what Tampa airport has to do with Jet Blue in Hartford or Southwest in Memphis or British Airways at London Gatwick. So confused.

REALLY???? That hard to figure out???








By the way, has anyone noticed that WN and FL have started gate swapping @ Airside C? I wonder why they did that.  



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User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 8):

I think you misinterpreted what I read, it is more likely than AV coming to TPA.
Edit: my bad, I meant, "what I wrote"

[Edited 2013-06-14 19:08:33]

User currently offlinebillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

TPA is holding its own and taking passengers away from SRQ in droves.
PIE was up 28% in may and 11% YTD.
TPA is up through April as well while SRQ is down in the area of -14%.

Cost per enplanement at TPA is about $7.00, is about $4.00 at PIE and is about $14.00 at SRQ. This appears to be driving a lot of the business. I looked at a ticket to Central Illinois today and the RT cost on DL was $350 higher from SRQ than from TPA. $495 vs. $850 sick!
So it appears airlines are consciously driving traffic into TPA and PIE through pricing.
I would suspect this is great news for TPA and dreadful news for SRQ which appears to be in a downward spiral staircase.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 3):
There have been rumors about CM to TPA for quite some time, and given their continuing U.S. expansion it's probably only a matter of time until it happens.
Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 8):
In my opinion, CM serves DEN before TPA even though its a bit long.

CM may try a shorter PTY-TPA-PTY (7hours) route before a long PTY-DEN-PTY (12hour?), even if @ DEN - depending on CM schedule - CM could get plenty connections w/UA.
IMHO, if ever any AV or LATAM to TPA may come after any MCO service.



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User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 12):

If I am following you correctly, are you saying that MCO needs service before TPA? But they already have AV serving MCO, and two other cities besides Bogota, LAN flies to MCO, and so does TAM. What are you trying to say in the last sentence?


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 13):
If I am following you correctly, are you saying that MCO needs service before TPA? But they already have AV serving MCO, and two other cities besides Bogota, LAN flies to MCO, and so does TAM. What are you trying to say in the last sentence?

Only if MCO have gotten LAN and AV there's a small chance that some day TPA could get them. Just like AV in both MIA and FLL.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2816 times:
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Quoting TPAfan (Reply 13):
LAN flies to MCO, and so does TAM.

Just to clarify, LAN only operates the SCL-MCO route on a seasonal basis. LAN code-shares on TAM's GRU-MCO service and AA's MIA-MCO service. LAN Colombia recently applied to operate BOG-MCO with Colombia's Aerocivil.


User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 14):

Well, I think LAN and AV are different subjects. First off, a narrowbody aircraft can easily access TPA from BOG. On the other hand, a narrowbody can't reach TPA from SCL? Also, if I recall correctly, Tampa has a far greater Colombian population than a Chilean. If you are referring to TAM, a route to GRU would happen before SCL, but I still have my doubts even though Lopano is saying his nightly prayers for this route to happen (I'm not serious). Also, BOG is a good gateway to South America and central america, which is another benefit of PYT.

MCO without a doubt has established themselves as a vacation destination (especially in South America), and they are a growing community, in terms of population. But Tampa has a relatively large hispanic population, that should be able to support its own routes (right now, they basically just connect through MIA and FLL). While Tampa and Orlando serve similar purposes for tourists, as both sunny destinations within a few hours of each, a route from BOG-TPA and BOG-MCO would capture different markets (I would assume). Orlando would attract alot more tourists, while Tampa's route would capture their Colombian population, and other hispanics and latinos from Tampa. Typically, a route's first option is Orlando, and then Tampa, especially large tourism driven markets that clearly cannot support a route without tourism, and Orlando is more noteworthy for their theme parks, well, Disney. But, basically, I believe a route from BOG is not that case, Tampa has a large market for Colombia, and south america, and central, that is not totally driven by tourism. I would love to see statistics comparing the latino and hispanic populations from the the orlando metro and Tampa metro. I do agree with the case that TPA usually gets a route when the leisure and tourism market is big enough to support both, and enough people are coming to Tampa. But just because Orlando can support a route from BOG on tourism, doesn't mean Tampa can support a route to BOG more so on their population for the market. This could be applied the other way too, except Orlando's tourism in this case is likely big than Tampa's population for that market (my way of trying to say Colombian population & South American connection possibilities). Now if we were talking about say Glasgow England, that market is likely driven 100% by tourism, and Orlando takes that market. Summing it up, a route to Bogota I believe would capture different markets, for the most part.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 16):
On the other hand, a narrowbody can't reach TPA from SCL?

Not from SCL, unless it's a B757 and LATAM has none, but from LIM it could, but pushing the A320-type range.
If it's BOG we're talking about, the TPA-BOG route is up to grab by LATAM and AV, however for connections it seems AV should perform better.
Anyhow, hands down, the best Latinamerican airline to serve TPA right now is CM. BOG, other Colombian airports, LIM, SCL, GRU.. traffic could all do TPA via PTY.
Same would apply for JAX or even RSW.   



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User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 17):

I wonder the O&D from PTY though. It would seem BOG would have more O&D from TPA. Both are great for connections, and CM is rapidly expanding, and could continue their plans of building a connecting airport, with many routes to central and south america, which would benefit TPA greatly.


User currently offlineN312RM From Cayman Islands, joined Mar 2012, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2400 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
And the 1990s, also they served Grand Cayman but I don't remember if it was through TPA. If you watch the movie "The Firm" Tom Cruise and Gene Hackman fly NWA from MEM to Grand Cayman.

NW never served GCM from TPA. At various times, their service originated from MEM, DTW (seasonally) and MIA.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

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User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Quoting TPAfan (Reply 6):
Going back to the German flight, I doubt AB would fly to TPA, as they already fly to RSW

Are there a lot of Germans that travel to RSW? I see them a lot in MIA but never considered RSW to be that big of a destination.



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