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Are DL 739ERs replacing 757s?  
User currently offlineDELTArodeo From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 6 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13707 times:

Hi All...... be kind, first post ever ! thrilled to see the big Delta order for the 739-ER ...... obviously going to replace the older 757's ( especially the 75N) from Northwest. Curious... as the 739's come online, one older 757 will be removed from the fleet ?

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User currently onlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13530 times:

Quoting DELTArodeo (Thread starter):
as the 739's come online, one older 757 will be removed from the fleet ?

You will be seeing the older 757-232 leaving soonest, those retirements have already started. The 757-251 (75N) aircraft are also slated for retirement but will not be the first to leave. The majority, but not all of the 737-900ER aircraft will be 757 replacements.


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7552 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13425 times:

Aircraft that are approaching cycle limits / the next heavy maintenance checks.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6547 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13236 times:

When is the first 737-900/ER due for Delta ?

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User currently offlinedalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2540 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13067 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
When is the first 737-900/ER due for Delta ?

I think they come on property sometime in Sept and in service beginning of Oct.


User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13048 times:
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I am not sure but I think the first delivery is around the end of next month.


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User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12927 times:
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I just found the delivery schedule. The first is in September. Then 3 for Oct, and 4 each in Nov. & Dec. Then 19 per year until all aircraft are on property. This includes 30 possible options. By the way all of these will be ETOPS equipped.


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User currently offlineUGA777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

Does anyone know some of the initial routes they will be used on? Thanks.

User currently offlineSELMER40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12581 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 1):
...these retirements have already started

According to http://www.airwaysmag.com six 757s have been retired since mid March.
501US 87,477 hours; 503US 87,872 hours; 602DL 89,259 hours, 604DL ? hours
636DL 80,555 hours; 637DL 81,590 hours.....
Also http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9761 shows another 757 on 12 June going to KBYH, an airport normally used for parting.

[Edited 2013-06-14 13:30:38]


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User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1803 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12363 times:

Are the CNs known for any of these yet, I see none of Delta's 737-900ERs listed on any of the main production sites.

User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7552 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11999 times:

Quoting UGA777 (Reply 7):
Does anyone know some of the initial routes they will be used on? Thanks.

Out of ATL, on routes that typically see some combination 738/MD90/757 equipment.


User currently offlineDELTArodeo From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11726 times:

Quoting UGA777 (Reply 7):
I just found the delivery schedule. The first is in September. Then 3 for Oct, and 4 each in Nov. & Dec. Then 19 per year until all aircraft are on property. This includes 30 possible options. By the way all of these will be ETOPS equipped.

Think they'll use them to replace the 757's configured for Europe? can they make it ?


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11673 times:

Quoting DELTArodeo (Reply 11):
Think they'll use them to replace the 757's configured for Europe? can they make it ?

No. No 739s to Europe.



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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2191 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10636 times:

Quoting DELTArodeo (Reply 11):
Think they'll use them to replace the 757's configured for Europe?

No - the 75Es are among the newest of Delta's 757s. They aren't going anywhere for a very long time.


User currently onlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8597 times:

DTW, LAX, and SLC will most likely see the 739s at first and on flights between those airports. The sizeable fleet of 757s maybe around for a long time yet like the DC-9s.


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User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8582 times:

739 replacing the 757?

From a passenger's's viewpoint, that will not happen unless they put an L2 door on them and make the F cabin at least 24!



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1616 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8524 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 15):
739 replacing the 757?

From a passenger's's viewpoint, that will not happen unless they put an L2 door on them and make the F cabin at least 24!

Boy, from a crew member's standpoint I agree 100%! Boarding through 2L is SO much easier. FC can settle in and get a beverage without the flight attendants always having to swim upstream.

Sadly, Boeing will never add a door there because they would lose so many seats.



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User currently onlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8277 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 16):
Sadly, Boeing will never add a door there because they would lose so many seats.

Wouldn't that be up to the airlines and not Boeing? They are the ones who decide on the configurations and interiors.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1616 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7985 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 17):

Wouldn't that be up to the airlines and not Boeing? They are the ones who decide on the configurations and interiors

Of course the ultimate decision would rest with the airline purchasing the plane but it would require some retooling at Boeing increasing the price and would dramatically reduce the revenue potential for the airplane.

Another aircraft that is great for 2L boarding is the A330. It drives us crazy when they insist on boarding through 1L and makes things chaotic and overcrowded in the front of the plane. Most versions of DL's 767's don't have a door 2L and it is a difficult aircraft to board without drama.



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User currently onlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 18):
Quoting brilondon (Reply 17):

Wouldn't that be up to the airlines and not Boeing? They are the ones who decide on the configurations and interiors

Of course the ultimate decision would rest with the airline purchasing the plane but it would require some retooling at Boeing increasing the price and would dramatically reduce the revenue potential for the airplane.

Another aircraft that is great for 2L boarding is the A330. It drives us crazy when they insist on boarding through 1L and makes things chaotic and overcrowded in the front of the plane. Most versions of DL's 767's don't have a door 2L and it is a difficult aircraft to board without drama.


Yes, I see what you were saying. My body and mind are about 10 hours ahead of my physical time then. Yes, I agree that it is very chaotic when getting on a DL 763 in HNL, with people in the aisle trying to take up the overhead storage in the front just so they don't have to carry their life's belongings to their seat in row 30 or so. I must say that you username tells me that you know what I am talking about. I don't enjoy the arguments that ensue when my carryon was crushed under the weight of a "carry on" that did not fit the overhead bin was stuffed on top and then they tried to squeeze    the bin shut. I was in row 3.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1616 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 19):
Yes, I see what you were saying. My body and mind are about 10 hours ahead of my physical time then. Yes, I agree that it is very chaotic when getting on a DL 763 in HNL, with people in the aisle trying to take up the overhead storage in the front just so they don't have to carry their life's belongings to their seat in row 30 or so. I must say that you username tells me that you know what I am talking about. I don't enjoy the arguments that ensue when my carryon was crushed under the weight of a "carry on" that did not fit the overhead bin was stuffed on top and then they tried to squeeze the bin shut. I was in row 3.

We try to monitor it but frequently people just ignore us. We can ask but we cannot enforce. It has been known that occasionally someone who dumped their carry on into a forward overhead bin when they were seated in row 34 and were very politely asked to place it closer to their actual seat was somehow unaware that at some point in the flight it was moved to about row 58....don't know how that happens. One of those "mysteries of flight."



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User currently onlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 20):
We try to monitor it but frequently people just ignore us. We can ask but we cannot enforce. It has been known that occasionally someone who dumped their carry on into a forward overhead bin when they were seated in row 34 and were very politely asked to place it closer to their actual seat was somehow unaware that at some point in the flight it was moved to about row 58....don't know how that happens. One of those "mysteries of flight."

  

Ah ha ha, I have seen that happen as well as removed to be gate checked by my seat partner. Thank you for that memory and I hope that you would be on a flight I am on someday.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1616 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 21):
Ah ha ha, I have seen that happen as well as removed to be gate checked by my seat partner. Thank you for that memory and I hope that you would be on a flight I am on someday.

Back in the "bad old days" when everyone was carrying garment bags that looked like they had a corpse in there I was working a 727-100 flight. It had a coat closet that would hold about 5 bags. The closet was located right across the aisle from the galley which was amidships. This big, nasty businessman came on saw that the closet was full and threw a Level IV Hissy Fit. He threw the heavy garment bag at this very petite female flight attendant and snarled "Hey you--DO something with this." Without any emotion she whipped open the galley service door, kicked his garment bag down onto the ramp and said when she had reclosed the door--"Consider it done." He was so shocked he just sat down and never said a word. We had to lock ourselves in the cockpit because we were laughing so hard.

[Edited 2013-06-15 12:54:51]


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User currently offlineSELMER40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 8):
...going to KBYH

The 14 June issue of airwaysmag.com fleet update reports N640DL 82,886 hours was the 757 that went to KBYH. They have previously reported that two 767s and two 757s have been removed from storage and returned to service.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 13):
No - the 75Es are among the newest of Delta's 757s. They aren't going anywhere for a very long time.

I'm not so sure--they're really not used very much for their original intention; they're only dedicated to BSB and 1-2 daily transatlantic flights off season, and not many more during the summer.



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User currently onlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):
I'm not so sure--they're really not used very much for their original intention; they're only dedicated to BSB and 1-2 daily transatlantic flights off season, and not many more during the summer.

The 75E aircraft will remain in the fleet. They will be getting 16 flatbed seats and expanded EC. These will become the mainstay of the premium transcon fleet.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5769 times:

If they are ETOPS I wonder if they are trying to phase out the -212 series 757s out of LAX to Hawaii? Some were originally delivered to Singapore Airlines in 1984.


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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5399 times:
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Quoting tommy767 (Reply 26):
If they are ETOPS I wonder if they are trying to phase out the -212 series 757s out of LAX to Hawaii? Some were originally delivered to Singapore Airlines in 1984.

That's a great question, Tommy. They need to do something with those 757s they use to KOA, OGG, LIH, etc.. The 753s are fine, but the 752s are in bad shape for a market with so much competition. I wonder if they will place a 73J (737-900ER) on KOA, LIH, and change to a newer 757 on others, etc... They really do need to upgrade both cabins in these markets.

I think we'll see 739ERs flown on some shorter legs, i.e., ATL-JAX/MCO/FLL/MIA/PBI, in the beginning. Those routes have so many quick turns, they can get a lot of early training done on them.

Midcons still flown with older 75Ns are other routes where I wouldn't be surprised to see them being utilized early on.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 928 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 23):
They have previously reported that two 767s and two 757s have been removed from storage and returned to service

Any info on these birds? Tail numbers, etc?



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User currently offlineSELMER40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 28):
Tail numbers,

Sorry, I should have pulled out my paperwork and given them.
757s 682DA, 683DA. 767s 124DE, 126DL removed from storage in April.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9317 posts, RR: 14
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 24):

they won't go anywhere.....

at worst they would get put into a domestic configuration. Having said that they will be getting lie-flats in J and will be the backbone of the transcon fleet. Europe will come back at some point and they will see some limited Euro-JFK flying.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 26):

highly likely. (though I looked at the retirement schedule and didn't see them.....but i didn't look that hard.)



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 928 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 29):
Sorry, I should have pulled out my paperwork and given them.
757s 682DA, 683DA. 767s 124DE, 126DL removed from storage in April.

Thank you very much!



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1616 posts, RR: 7
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4041 times:

DL is investing heavily in an upscale transcon product. The 75E is the perfect airplane for that. With more seats than the A320 it should be a moneymaker.


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User currently offlinehighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Can the 737-900ER make it from the West Coast to Hawaii without significant weight penalties?


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting highliner2 (Reply 33):
Can the 737-900ER make it from the West Coast to Hawaii without significant weight penalties?

The Delta 57s currently plowing California-Hawaii are regularly restricted so the 737s definitely will be.



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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

Gawd those 757s DL runs to Hawaii are just awful. Will never do that again. AS is so much better wth their 738 equip an can get skymiles anyways with them. No brainer. DL should send those birds to VCV for permanent retirement.

User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

These seem like the kind of birds to do mid to transcon routes as well as high density Florida and Carribbean routes. I don't really see these birds taking over the Hawaii routes, mainly because the range (according to dl.com) states that the 73J will have a range somewhere just shy of 900 miles less range than the 75V.

However, that being said, I really hope that DL plans on having a few inches more pitch than 37" in F. I know this won't be true, but one can hope.



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User currently offlinepeachair From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 366 posts, RR: 3
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 28):
Any info on these birds? Tail numbers, etc?

It'll be the 3800 series. First ship is 3801 - delivery scheduled for Mid-Sep.

Reg'n will be N801DZ


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting timpdx (Reply 35):
Gawd those 757s DL runs to Hawaii are just awful. Will never do that again.

What was wrong with the flight?


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1616 posts, RR: 7
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 38):
Quoting timpdx (Reply 35):Gawd those 757s DL runs to Hawaii are just awful. Will never do that again.

That is the way that I feel about working 757's on trans-Atlantic flights. But then I think back to the pre-747 days. All trans-Atlantic flights were flown by 707 or DC-8's....albeit with a lot more room between the rows!



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Quoting timpdx (Reply 35):
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 38):
What was wrong with the flight?

Actually, the 75Vs were among the first to get the most recent cabin refresh including Economy Comfort. I flew on one last year and found it to be about the same as any other Delta 757. In fact, in the back there is a little more room because the configuration is less dense...

People seem to cry about gasper vents but IDK...



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User currently onlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting timpdx (Reply 35):
Gawd those 757s DL runs to Hawaii are just awful. Will never do that again. AS is so much better wth their 738 equip an can get skymiles anyways with them. No brainer. DL should send those birds to VCV for permanent retirement.

I highly doubt there is a noticeable difference for the average flyer. The fact that it is a 739 vs 752 is not really that much different than the other airlines flying their 738s from California.



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