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DL 717 Fleet Number Update  
User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17647 times:
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Just to let everyone know these aircraft will not be reregistered. The DL fleet numbers will start at 9500. The fleet numbers will coincide with the Line numbers not registrations. For instance 5004 which is N949AT will be F/N 9500. F/N 9501 is line number 5005 but registration is N940AT. This part will be a little confusing for spotters.


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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17150 times:

Seems a lot like the DC-9 series.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12136 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17113 times:

I can't wait to see these baby Boeings flying around the country in DL colors.

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17093 times:

Quoting bigbird (Thread starter):

Any word yet on what work will be done in house and what won't on the airframe side? Also where said work will be done?
Unless they move something out of TOCI (ie send some 737 or 757 work to MSP or send the airbus back to MSP) they don't have the space. Not sure they can fit them into bays 5 or 6 (as in work load, the plane with physically fit)



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User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16477 times:

Maybe they can keep the work in Atlanta by outsourcing the maint to Airtran.

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16410 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 3):
Any word yet on what work will be done in house and what won't on the airframe side? Also where said work will be done?

I don't believe any of it is being done in ATL. All at one of the MROs in the Southeast.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16221 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 4):
Maybe they can keep the work in Atlanta by outsourcing the maint to Airtran.

Airtran MX no longer exists.. Southwest MX maintains both fleets


User currently offlinePEK777 From China, joined Jun 2012, 139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16058 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Seems a lot like the DC-9 series.

Maybe a sign DL won't be retiring the DC-9's after all...

  


User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16004 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 6):
Airtran MX no longer exists.. Southwest MX maintains both fleets

Semantics. Are you saying that they laid off all the Airtran workers? Are you saying that they didn't add the Airtran RON locations to the Southwest network?


User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15970 times:

On their website, Delta is already showing the B717 & 737-900ER on the list of planes for seat maps, yet they haven't "installed" the seat maps as of yet....

User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15821 times:

Hey DeltaL1011man. I was hearing the 717 work was going to MSP like the 88-90s. I'll find out more in a few weeks in class. And PEK777 I heard a rumor Last Tuesday that the DC-9-50 retirement has been pushed out as long as fuel stay cheap.   Would be great if that does work out that way  

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15607 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 3):

To clarify my earlier post, if you mean checks after the airplanes have entered the fleet and not the initial work/reconfiguration, I have no idea.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15375 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):
Semantics. Are you saying that they laid off all the Airtran workers? Are you saying that they didn't add the Airtran RON locations to the Southwest network?

No all FL mx activites have been merged under southwest mx. there is no seperation between the two. Southwest MX handles mx for WN & FL. (FL AMT's are now WN AMT's)


User currently offlineindcwby From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15328 times:

Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 9):
On their website, Delta is already showing the B717 & 737-900ER on the list of planes for seat maps, yet they haven't "installed" the seat maps as of yet....

In other words, PAGE NOT FOUND.


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13552 times:

Training for crews began back in March... Sims and LOFT training are being done in Miami... First flights will be in August/September time frame.

User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13089 times:

Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 9):
On their website, Delta is already showing the B717 & 737-900ER on the list of planes for seat maps, yet they haven't "installed" the seat maps as of yet....

Correct, the seat maps are completed but not uploaded to the system yet, I wouldn't expect to see that until the fleets get schedules loaded.



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User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10595 times:
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Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.


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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1619 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

The real trick is getting an interview with Delta and not many pilots are going to be willing to give up all their seniority and start at the bottom of the list. It is ALWAYS about seniority!



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3403 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10195 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

Some might but not for the reason of staying on an airplane. They would be retrained at Delta anyway, and might very well not get the 717.



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User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

I am sure a few considered it. But then they had conversion with their bank accounts and realized flying a red belly was the way to go.


User currently offlineTWACaptain From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 29 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9903 times:
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Kind of ironic that DL is using 95XX for the fleet number considering the B717 started life as the MD-95.

Glenn



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User currently offlinecomairguycvg From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9689 times:

Quoting bigbird (Thread starter):
For instance 5004 which is N949AT

Funny you mentioned that aircraft. I just saw it taxi by here at ATL in fresh Air Tran regular colors...ex Magic bird. The other 2 aircraft that were still left in team colors were Ravens and Brewers but I haven't seen them in at least a month. They might be back to regular Air Tran as well.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2099 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9520 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 19):
I am sure a few considered it. But then they had conversion with their bank accounts and realized flying a red belly was the way to go.

More like had the conversation with the wife...

 


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4990 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9478 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

There are a handful of scabs from the Eastern strike at FL. Rehiring at Delta may be problematic for them. They are still listed on the ALPA scablist.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1619 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9381 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 23):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

Has DL indicated that they will take a number of former FL 717 pilots as part of the deal?



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25 comairguycvg : Just got eyes on N932AT...ex Brewers in regular Air Tran colors taxiing to the gate here in ATL. Still on the lookout for Ravens.
26 Post contains images Deltal1011man : No I mean PSVs I assume Delta won't be doing HMVs on them sadly Ah roger. We don't know, doesn't make any sense to have the work done in MSP if they
27 bobnwa : It is about seniority followed by potential aircraft upgrade time Delta has not indicated anything regarding FL pilots and is currently not hiring an
28 HOmSaR : Besides, wouldn't the 717s most likely be flown by pilots who will be leaving the DC-9 once that fleet is retired?
29 comairguycvg : Eyes on N946AT, ex Ravens, now in regular Air Tran colors. All of the Air Tran special team colors jets are back to regular Air Tran paint scheme.
30 SSTeve : Why would Delta care? Equal opportunity...
31 chrisair : The airline doesn't care (and legally can't disqualify someone because they were a "scab"). Some fellow pilots might dislike them greatly, however...
32 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : They could have a hard time passing some of their check flights.
33 Post contains images toobz : Lol red bellies..they could only wish they were flying for an intl airline like DL. Whoops..can't fly in BE for free..
34 wjcandee : I seriously doubt that anyone is going to give up their seniority at FL in order to go back on reserve and have a chance of flying the 717 at DL (if t
35 DTWPurserBoy : Being labeled as a scab at any airline is a professional death sentence whether you are a pilot, flight attendant or ground staff. It follows you whe
36 MIflyer12 : Consummate professionals don't practice harassment - period.
37 RWA380 : I have wondered who would be the likely candidate to fly the 717s for DL. I thought the same things, transfers from FL, DC-9-50 pilots as DL retires
38 United_fan : Glad i 'got' them when I did .
39 dalmd88 : Zero transfers. Pilots rarely change airlines just to follow a type, unless there is no job when a type leaves an airline. I would think many of the
40 Flaps : Who really is the one thinking only of themselves, the "scab" or the "professional"? When one employee group strikes all other employee groups suffer.
41 type-rated : Some of the scab workers hired on at EA during the strike as they thought it would be a good way to get their foot in the door. They later found out t
42 PSU.DTW.SCE : Right now there are less than 20 DC-9-50s left, and ATL will be the final base left here once they close the DTW DC9 pilot base. By early 2014 there
43 burnsie28 : No pilots from FL, right now all the 717 flying will be coming from the current pilot pool. 717 will be its own group.
44 B727FA : Very few of the DC9 drivers will be going to the 717. The 717 bid went quite senior and the -9 displacements are moving fleet wide. It's not a "hop ov
45 SELMER40 : Why would a pilot bid down to to the lowest pay scale airplane?
46 Post contains links 777STL : There's a variety of reasons - right seat to left seat, domicile preference, bid line availability, etc. A capt on a 717 is going to be making signif
47 cokepopper : At Delta inflight, we are being told Delta is taking delivery in August and EIS for October.
48 bobnwa : Like all the other aircraft,the 717 pilots will bid based solely on senority.
49 kcrwflyer : When do you think they will hit the schedule?
50 XFSUgimpLB41X : The first 200ish 717 positions were awarded in a bid in March. 100 captains and 100 FOs. Mostly DC-9, MD-88, and 767ER guys bid to it. Captain went su
51 type-rated : That's just not a position I would like to ever be in. 30 years of flying Queen Airs around before getting on with an airline as a former scab is just
52 mayor : Maybe the large schedule change that takes place with the time change in Oct. Do they still do that one?
53 PSU.DTW.SCE : They will likely start loading them into the October schedule in July.
54 okie73 : There are a lot of reasons a pilot may bid down to a smaller/lower paying aircraft. Better schedule is usually the reason. Someone who is a very juni
55 mesaflyguy : Not all of the DC-9 pilots are going to the 717s. I talked to a couple of DC-9 pilots before our fliht to ATL a few weeks ago and they were both movi
56 okie73 : The bid for the 717 went pretty senior. A lot of the DC9 guys/gals could not hold the 717. As someone said earlier, what you flew before had no beari
57 bmibaby737 : So I have to ask, would this be correct? LN / CN / Registration / Fleet# 5004 55003 N949AT 9500 5005 55004 N940AT 9501 5006 55005 N942AT 9502 5007 55
58 71Zulu : Why bid so early? When will that March bid be effective? How long will training be for the 717? So these pilots will just sit around getting guarante
59 Md88Captain : Why bid so early? The bid may have been a little late. Training started right on the heals of the bid closing. And it was a 1 year bid - allowing conv
60 rj777 : I wonder if DL/WN/FL have some sort of agreement in place where upcoming DL 717 flight crews can ride along on FL 717 flights and observe as part of t
61 bobnwa : Don't know it for a fact, but I would hardly think so.
62 71Zulu : Great info, thanks for the explanation. Didn't know about the one year conversion, that makes total sense now. Exciting but busy times again with a n
63 Post contains links burnsie28 : Alright folks, the seat maps have been uploaded... http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-aircraft/Aircraft/boeing-717.html http://www.delta.com/cont
64 skymiler : Note 20 in F on the 739! Also, an interesting 'stagger' with a closet in row 10 -- will that be a low closet or a full bulkhead? Many of us were conc
65 n515cr : The exit row config is certainly interesting...
66 kcrwflyer : I wonder why no 20 A or F on the 717?
67 B757forever : I can only assume that in the DL configuration that an A or F seat would not allow adequate egress at the over-wing exits.
68 FlyASAGuy2005 : The seating caps were published quite a while ago. It was known that the 739s would be 20F some months back.
69 DTWPurserBoy : Pretty standard to eliminate that seat at the overwing exits.
70 bhmdiversion : There was a displacement bid recently with a lot of ER FOs being displaced to other equipment types... Most of the new FOs that I know on the 17 were
71 phllax : I'm delighted that there's 3 lavs in Y, but disappointed they didn't put one across from the closet ala CO with their mid-cabin lav.
72 Prost : You and approximately 20,000 flight attendants as well.
73 Post contains images rscaife1682 : I just flew home from FLL-BWI yesterday on a FL 717 and I am looking forward to flying on them with DL. To think that I started my relationship with t
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