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DL 717 Fleet Number Update  
User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17639 times:
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Just to let everyone know these aircraft will not be reregistered. The DL fleet numbers will start at 9500. The fleet numbers will coincide with the Line numbers not registrations. For instance 5004 which is N949AT will be F/N 9500. F/N 9501 is line number 5005 but registration is N940AT. This part will be a little confusing for spotters.


bigbird from georgia
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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17142 times:

Seems a lot like the DC-9 series.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17105 times:

I can't wait to see these baby Boeings flying around the country in DL colors.

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17085 times:

Quoting bigbird (Thread starter):

Any word yet on what work will be done in house and what won't on the airframe side? Also where said work will be done?
Unless they move something out of TOCI (ie send some 737 or 757 work to MSP or send the airbus back to MSP) they don't have the space. Not sure they can fit them into bays 5 or 6 (as in work load, the plane with physically fit)



yep.
User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5152 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16469 times:

Maybe they can keep the work in Atlanta by outsourcing the maint to Airtran.

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16402 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 3):
Any word yet on what work will be done in house and what won't on the airframe side? Also where said work will be done?

I don't believe any of it is being done in ATL. All at one of the MROs in the Southeast.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16213 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 4):
Maybe they can keep the work in Atlanta by outsourcing the maint to Airtran.

Airtran MX no longer exists.. Southwest MX maintains both fleets


User currently offlinePEK777 From China, joined Jun 2012, 137 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16050 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 1):
Seems a lot like the DC-9 series.

Maybe a sign DL won't be retiring the DC-9's after all...

  


User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5152 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15996 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 6):
Airtran MX no longer exists.. Southwest MX maintains both fleets

Semantics. Are you saying that they laid off all the Airtran workers? Are you saying that they didn't add the Airtran RON locations to the Southwest network?


User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15962 times:

On their website, Delta is already showing the B717 & 737-900ER on the list of planes for seat maps, yet they haven't "installed" the seat maps as of yet....

User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15813 times:

Hey DeltaL1011man. I was hearing the 717 work was going to MSP like the 88-90s. I'll find out more in a few weeks in class. And PEK777 I heard a rumor Last Tuesday that the DC-9-50 retirement has been pushed out as long as fuel stay cheap.   Would be great if that does work out that way  

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15599 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 3):

To clarify my earlier post, if you mean checks after the airplanes have entered the fleet and not the initial work/reconfiguration, I have no idea.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15367 times:

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):
Semantics. Are you saying that they laid off all the Airtran workers? Are you saying that they didn't add the Airtran RON locations to the Southwest network?

No all FL mx activites have been merged under southwest mx. there is no seperation between the two. Southwest MX handles mx for WN & FL. (FL AMT's are now WN AMT's)


User currently offlineindcwby From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15320 times:

Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 9):
On their website, Delta is already showing the B717 & 737-900ER on the list of planes for seat maps, yet they haven't "installed" the seat maps as of yet....

In other words, PAGE NOT FOUND.


User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13544 times:

Training for crews began back in March... Sims and LOFT training are being done in Miami... First flights will be in August/September time frame.

User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13081 times:

Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 9):
On their website, Delta is already showing the B717 & 737-900ER on the list of planes for seat maps, yet they haven't "installed" the seat maps as of yet....

Correct, the seat maps are completed but not uploaded to the system yet, I wouldn't expect to see that until the fleets get schedules loaded.



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User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10587 times:

Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.


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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1617 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

The real trick is getting an interview with Delta and not many pilots are going to be willing to give up all their seniority and start at the bottom of the list. It is ALWAYS about seniority!



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10187 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

Some might but not for the reason of staying on an airplane. They would be retrained at Delta anyway, and might very well not get the 717.



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User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10149 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

I am sure a few considered it. But then they had conversion with their bank accounts and realized flying a red belly was the way to go.


User currently offlineTWACaptain From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 29 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9895 times:
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Kind of ironic that DL is using 95XX for the fleet number considering the B717 started life as the MD-95.

Glenn



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User currently offlinecomairguycvg From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9681 times:

Quoting bigbird (Thread starter):
For instance 5004 which is N949AT

Funny you mentioned that aircraft. I just saw it taxi by here at ATL in fresh Air Tran regular colors...ex Magic bird. The other 2 aircraft that were still left in team colors were Ravens and Brewers but I haven't seen them in at least a month. They might be back to regular Air Tran as well.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2092 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9512 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 19):
I am sure a few considered it. But then they had conversion with their bank accounts and realized flying a red belly was the way to go.

More like had the conversation with the wife...

 


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4977 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9470 times:

Quoting Grisee08 (Reply 16):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

There are a handful of scabs from the Eastern strike at FL. Rehiring at Delta may be problematic for them. They are still listed on the ALPA scablist.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1617 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9373 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 23):
Is it possible that many former FL 717 pilots may go on to DL instead of sticking to WN and going to 737 training. I will say that from my point of view, if I had flown a certain airplane for years, and enjoyed said airplane, I would do what it takes to stay on that airplane. I know some pilots prefer to go on to the 737, but as a passenger, I have enjoyed the 717, and I have heard many pilots tell me they prefer it over the 717.

Has DL indicated that they will take a number of former FL 717 pilots as part of the deal?



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User currently offlinecomairguycvg From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9837 times:

Just got eyes on N932AT...ex Brewers in regular Air Tran colors taxiing to the gate here in ATL. Still on the lookout for Ravens.

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 11):

No I mean PSVs

I assume Delta won't be doing HMVs on them sadly

Quoting n901wa (Reply 10):

Ah roger. We don't know, doesn't make any sense to have the work done in MSP if they are basing them here and DTW but we don't have any room.
But I can't see the airbus or 37 leaving so I guess the checks will have to be done in MSP





Or they could add hangar space in atlanta  (had to try)



yep.
User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9944 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):
The real trick is getting an interview with Delta and not many pilots are going to be willing to give up all their seniority and start at the bottom of the list. It is ALWAYS about seniority!

It is about seniority followed by potential aircraft upgrade time

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 24):
Has DL indicated that they will take a number of former FL 717 pilots as part of the deal?

Delta has not indicated anything regarding FL pilots and is currently not hiring any pilots


User currently offlineHOmSaR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9665 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 27):

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 24):
Has DL indicated that they will take a number of former FL 717 pilots as part of the deal?

Delta has not indicated anything regarding FL pilots and is currently not hiring any pilots

Besides, wouldn't the 717s most likely be flown by pilots who will be leaving the DC-9 once that fleet is retired?



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User currently offlinecomairguycvg From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9622 times:

Eyes on N946AT, ex Ravens, now in regular Air Tran colors. All of the Air Tran special team colors jets are back to regular Air Tran paint scheme.

User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9467 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 23):
There are a handful of scabs from the Eastern strike at FL. Rehiring at Delta may be problematic for them. They are still listed on the ALPA scablist.

Why would Delta care? Equal opportunity...


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2092 posts, RR: 3
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9164 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 30):
Why would Delta care? Equal opportunity...

The airline doesn't care (and legally can't disqualify someone because they were a "scab"). Some fellow pilots might dislike them greatly, however....


User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9082 times:
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Quoting chrisair (Reply 31):
Quoting SSTeve (Reply 30):
Why would Delta care? Equal opportunity...

The airline doesn't care (and legally can't disqualify someone because they were a "scab"). Some fellow pilots might dislike them greatly, however....

They could have a hard time passing some of their check flights.   


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9075 times:

Lol red bellies..they could only wish they were flying for an intl airline like DL. Whoops..can't fly in BE for free..  

User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5152 posts, RR: 22
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8983 times:

I seriously doubt that anyone is going to give up their seniority at FL in order to go back on reserve and have a chance of flying the 717 at DL (if their seniority permits it). Not gonna happen.

User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1617 posts, RR: 7
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 8382 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 30):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 23):There are a handful of scabs from the Eastern strike at FL. Rehiring at Delta may be problematic for them. They are still listed on the ALPA scablist.
Why would Delta care? Equal opportunity...

Being labeled as a scab at any airline is a professional death sentence whether you are a pilot, flight attendant or ground staff. It follows you wherever you go. Stickers mysteriously appear in crew areas of the aircraft with names on it. Check rides are failed. No one wants to eat with you on your layover. No one will speak to you unless it is in direct connection with doing the job.

I have seen people resign after being hit with the label "scab." While management will say they don't care, they certainly do not want the disruption they cause. So if you have two candidates and on job you will hire the non-scab just to keep the peace.

Airline pilots are consummate professionals but they also take pride in their unity. Put your own interests ahead of the group and you are out in the cold.

Besides---it is a moot point as DL is not hiring pilots at the moment. As the 739's and 717's come online there will be a lot of rebidding for seats and bases -- it is a constant reshuffling of the deck.



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User currently offlineMIflyer12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 36):
Airline pilots are consummate professionals but they also take pride in their unity.

Consummate professionals don't practice harassment - period.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7877 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 19):
I am sure a few considered it. But then they had conversion with their bank accounts and realized flying a red belly was the way to go
Quoting HOmSaR (Reply 28):
Besides, wouldn't the 717s most likely be flown by pilots who will be leaving the DC-9 once that fleet is retired?

I have wondered who would be the likely candidate to fly the 717s for DL. I thought the same things, transfers from FL, DC-9-50 pilots as DL retires the 9s, or ???. Anyone with insight have something to say on the topic? Will the typical 717 pilot be certified to fly other types?



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7483 posts, RR: 7
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 29):
Eyes on N946AT, ex Ravens, now in regular Air Tran colors. All of the Air Tran special team colors jets are back to regular Air Tran paint scheme.

Glad i 'got' them when I did .



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User currently offlinedalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2540 posts, RR: 14
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 7777 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
I have wondered who would be the likely candidate to fly the 717s for DL. I thought the same things, transfers from FL, DC-9-50 pilots as DL retires the 9s, or ???. Anyone with insight have something to say on the topic? Will the typical 717 pilot be certified to fly other types?

Zero transfers. Pilots rarely change airlines just to follow a type, unless there is no job when a type leaves an airline. I would think many of the DC9 crew would bid the 717 IF the DC9 is really retired in Jan. The bases will be the same and the typical trip will be similar. Those are the two biggest factors on who bids what. How close is the base to where I want to live and do the trips work into my life? Others are very reluctant to switch aircraft. It is a lot of work to learn a new type.
The 717 might also be the entry into the left seat for many that have been FO on other aircraft. So yes many will be certified to fly other types, but will only fly the type they are holding a bid on.


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

Who really is the one thinking only of themselves, the "scab" or the "professional"? When one employee group strikes all other employee groups suffer. Hardly altruistic if you ask me and quite hypocritical.

Im glad to see that all of the "logo jets" are back in standard paint. No objection to the concept but FL had horrible taste in the teams they chose to promote.

I cant wait to see the 717 in DL service. My market is likely to see quite a few and and its one of my favorite aircraft. A huge improvement over every model of the CRJ.


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4977 posts, RR: 19
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 7724 times:

Some of the scab workers hired on at EA during the strike as they thought it would be a good way to get their foot in the door.
They later found out that it hurt them more than they could imagine. Is Airtran an ALPA carrier?

I wonder what the average cycles/hours are on these 717's?



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7627 times:

Quoting dalmd88 (Reply 41):
Zero transfers. Pilots rarely change airlines just to follow a type, unless there is no job when a type leaves an airline. I would think many of the DC9 crew would bid the 717 IF the DC9 is really retired in Jan. The bases will be the same and the typical trip will be similar. Those are the two biggest factors on who bids what. How close is the base to where I want to live and do the trips work into my life? Others are very reluctant to switch aircraft. It is a lot of work to learn a new type.
The 717 might also be the entry into the left seat for many that have been FO on other aircraft. So yes many will be certified to fly other types, but will only fly the type they are holding a bid on.

Right now there are less than 20 DC-9-50s left, and ATL will be the final base left here once they close the DTW DC9 pilot base.

By early 2014 there will more 717s in the fleet than there are DC9s currently in the fleet so they were be pilots moving over to fly the 717s from other fleet types.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7519 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 24):
Has DL indicated that they will take a number of former FL 717 pilots as part of the deal?

No pilots from FL, right now all the 717 flying will be coming from the current pilot pool.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
I have wondered who would be the likely candidate to fly the 717s for DL. I thought the same things, transfers from FL, DC-9-50 pilots as DL retires the 9s, or ???. Anyone with insight have something to say on the topic? Will the typical 717 pilot be certified to fly other types?

717 will be its own group.



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

Very few of the DC9 drivers will be going to the 717. The 717 bid went quite senior and the -9 displacements are moving fleet wide. It's not a "hop over to a similar airplane" kind of thing. It was all rebid/displacements as needed.


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User currently offlineSELMER40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7329 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 46):
..bid went quite senior


Why would a pilot bid down to to the lowest pay scale airplane?



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7324 times:

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 47):
Why would a pilot bid down to to the lowest pay scale airplane?

There's a variety of reasons - right seat to left seat, domicile preference, bid line availability, etc.

A capt on a 717 is going to be making significantly more than he would in the right seat of a 757, for example. Even more so if he's now domiciled out of MSP or ATL instead of NYC, when you factor in COL.

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but there isn't much difference in hourly rate between the various DL narrowbodies and I doubt you're going to have many stepping down from an international widebody gig into the 717.

http://www.aviationinterviews.com/pilot/airlinepayrates.html

[Edited 2013-06-16 11:13:07]


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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1179 posts, RR: 10
Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7283 times:

At Delta inflight, we are being told Delta is taking delivery in August and EIS for October.

User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 7105 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 35):
Successive interviews with airlines have resulted in abbreviated interviews to outright accusations of trying to sabotage the union.
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
I have wondered who would be the likely candidate to fly the 717s for DL. I thought the same things, transfers from FL, DC-9-50 pilots as DL retires the 9s, or ???. Anyone with insight have something to say on the topic? Will the typical 717 pilot be certified to fly other types?

Like all the other aircraft,the 717 pilots will bid based solely on senority.


User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 7
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 49):
At Delta inflight, we are being told Delta is taking delivery in August and EIS for October.

When do you think they will hit the schedule?


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4194 posts, RR: 37
Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6567 times:

The first 200ish 717 positions were awarded in a bid in March. 100 captains and 100 FOs. Mostly DC-9, MD-88, and 767ER guys bid to it. Captain went surprisingly senior due to the possibility of having much of the summer off after sim training while waiting on delivery of the airplanes.

No transfers from AirTran- it doesn't work that way. DL isn't hiring pilots, at least not until late this year, and whoever wanted to come over to DL would start at square 1 on seniority.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4977 posts, RR: 19
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

That's just not a position I would like to ever be in. 30 years of flying Queen Airs around before getting on with an airline as a former scab is just not what I would do. May as well find another career.


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10387 posts, RR: 14
Reply 52, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 51):

When do you think they will hit the schedule?

Maybe the large schedule change that takes place with the time change in Oct. Do they still do that one?



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7555 posts, RR: 28
Reply 53, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 55):
Maybe the large schedule change that takes place with the time change in Oct. Do they still do that one

They will likely start loading them into the October schedule in July.


User currently offlineokie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 47):
Why would a pilot bid down to to the lowest pay scale airplane?


There are a lot of reasons a pilot may bid down to a smaller/lower paying aircraft. Better schedule is usually the reason. Someone who is a very junior captain on the 767 would be a very senior captain on the 717.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3032 posts, RR: 5
Reply 55, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5236 times:
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Quoting HOmSaR (Reply 28):
wouldn't the 717s most likely be flown by pilots who will be leaving the DC-9 once that fleet is retired?

Not all of the DC-9 pilots are going to the 717s. I talked to a couple of DC-9 pilots before our fliht to ATL a few weeks ago and they were both moving up to the MD-88s.



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User currently offlineokie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5194 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 59):
Not all of the DC-9 pilots are going to the 717s. I talked to a couple of DC-9 pilots before our fliht to ATL a few weeks ago and they were both moving up to the MD-88s.

The bid for the 717 went pretty senior. A lot of the DC9 guys/gals could not hold the 717. As someone said earlier, what you flew before had no bearing on who was awarded the 717. Strict seniority. Lot's of fairly senior wide body FO's bid captain on the 717.


User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1803 posts, RR: 9
Reply 57, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

Quoting bigbird (Thread starter):
Just to let everyone know these aircraft will not be reregistered. The DL fleet numbers will start at 9500. The fleet numbers will coincide with the Line numbers not registrations. For instance 5004 which is N949AT will be F/N 9500. F/N 9501 is line number 5005 but registration is N940AT. This part will be a little confusing for spotters.

So I have to ask, would this be correct?

LN / CN / Registration / Fleet#

5004 55003 N949AT 9500
5005 55004 N940AT 9501
5006 55005 N942AT 9502
5007 55006 N943AT 9503
5008 55007 N944AT 9504
5009 55008 N945AT 9505
5010 55009 N946AT 9506
5011 55010 N947AT 9507
5012 55011 N948AT 9508
5017 55058 N936AT 9509
5018 55012 N950AT 9510
5019 55069 N935AT 9511
5021 55013 N951AT 9512
5022 55070 N934AT 9513
5024 55071 N933AT 9514
5025 55072 N930AT 9515
5027 55014 N952AT 9516
5028 55073 N932AT 9517
5030 55074 N607AT 9518
5032 55075 N929AT 9519
5033 55015 N953AT 9520
5035 55076 N928AT 9521
5036 55016 N954AT 9522
5038 55077 N927AT 9523
5039 55078 N926AT 9524
5040 55017 N955AT 9525
5042 55079 N925AT 9526
5043 55080 N924AT 9527
5044 55018 N956AT 9528
5045 55081 N608AT 9529
5046 55082 N921AT 9530
5047 55019 N957AT 9531
5049 55083 N920AT 9532
5051 55020 N958AT 9533
5052 55084 N919AT 9534
5055 55085 N915AT 9535
5056 55086 N910AT 9536
5057 55021 N959AT 9537
5058 55022 N960AT 9538
5060 55087 N906AT 9539
5062 55023 N961AT 9540
5063 55088 N987AT 9541
5065 55068 N988AT 9542
5066 55024 N963AT 9543
5067 55089 N986AT 9544
5068 55090 N985AT 9545
5071 55025 N964AT 9546
5074 55127 N603AT 9547
5075 55091 N937AT 9548
5076 55026 N965AT 9549
5081 55027 N966AT 9550
5082 55028 N967AT 9551
5085 55152 N989AT 9552
5088 55134 N990AT 9553
5090 55135 N991AT 9554
5091 55029 N968AT 9555
5094 55030 N969AT 9556
5096 55031 N970AT 9557
5097 55032 N971AT 9558
5099 55033 N972AT 9559
5100 55136 N992AT 9560
5101 55034 N974AT 9561
5102 55035 N975AT 9562
5103 55137 N993AT 9563
5104 55138 N994AT 9564
5105 55139 N995AT 9565
5106 55036 N977AT 9566
5107 55140 N996AT 9567
5108 55037 N978AT 9568
5109 55038 N979AT 9569
5110 55141 N997AT 9570
5111 55039 N980AT 9571
5112 55142 N998AT 9572
5113 55040 N981AT 9573
5114 55041 N982AT 9574
5115 55042 N717JL 9575
5131 55043 N891AT 9576
5134 55044 N892AT 9577
5136 55045 N893AT 9578
5137 55046 N894AT 9579
5139 55047 N895AT 9580
5141 55048 N896AT 9581
5143 55049 N899AT 9582
5144 55050 N922AT 9583
5148 55051 N923AT 9584
5150 55052 N983AT 9585
5155 55098 N938AT 9586
5156 55099 N939AT 9587


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 52):
The first 200ish 717 positions were awarded in a bid in March.

Why bid so early? When will that March bid be effective? How long will training be for the 717? So these pilots will just sit around getting guarantee all this time? Good for the pilots but doesn't seem very efficient for DL. Thanks!



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User currently offlineMd88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 59, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Why bid so early? The bid may have been a little late. Training started right on the heals of the bid closing. And it was a 1 year bid - allowing conversion to the 717 anytime over the next year. So most of those 150 Captains and approximately 125 FO's did not convert right away to a "sitting around" position.

Bringing this aircraft on line in October is requiring a Herculean effort from the operational and training guys. The 717 requires FAA approved everything - checklists, ODM, MEL, AQP, ARM, MDM, FCTM, POM, ... fill in 1000 other things. All approved by the FAA. Ground school instructors must be trained - full course. Sim instructors. LCA. All full courses. The Sim instructors and LCA are getting their experience post sim in an actual aircraft. It requires a staggering effort, but know one except those involved really get how much work is involved.

If you could come up with a more efficient way to do it, DAL would hire you right away.


User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

I wonder if DL/WN/FL have some sort of agreement in place where upcoming DL 717 flight crews can ride along on FL 717 flights and observe as part of the training.

User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 61, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4676 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 64):
I wonder if DL/WN/FL have some sort of agreement in place where upcoming DL 717 flight crews can ride along on FL 717 flights and observe as part of the training.

Don't know it for a fact, but I would hardly think so.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Quoting Md88Captain (Reply 63):

Great info, thanks for the explanation. Didn't know about the one year conversion, that makes total sense now. Exciting but busy times again with a new aircraft I'm sure.



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 63, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Alright folks, the seat maps have been uploaded...

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-aircraft/Aircraft/boeing-717.html

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...Aircraft/boeing-737-900er-73j.html



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User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 63):
Alright folks, the seat maps have been uploaded...

Note 20 in F on the 739! Also, an interesting 'stagger' with a closet in row 10 -- will that be a low closet or a full bulkhead?

Many of us were concerned that there would be only 16 due to the proposed 739 as a 757 replacement, so this is some relief! Just 2 less than the 'nasties' ... (75N) which hopefully will be heading off to the desert.

Just need that L2 door!



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User currently offlinen515cr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 64):
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...Aircraft/boeing-737-900er-73j.html

The exit row config is certainly interesting...


User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 7
Reply 66, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

I wonder why no 20 A or F on the 717?

User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 67, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 66):
I wonder why no 20 A or F on the 717?

I can only assume that in the DL configuration that an A or F seat would not allow adequate egress at the over-wing exits.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 68, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 64):
Many of us were concerned that there would be only 16 due to the proposed 739 as a 757 replacement, so this is some relief! Just 2 less than the 'nasties' ... (75N) which hopefully will be heading off to the desert.

The seating caps were published quite a while ago. It was known that the 739s would be 20F some months back.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1617 posts, RR: 7
Reply 69, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 66):
I wonder why no 20 A or F on the 717?

Pretty standard to eliminate that seat at the overwing exits.



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User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

There was a displacement bid recently with a lot of ER FOs being displaced to other equipment types... Most of the new FOs that I know on the 17 were lifer reserves on the 88 in ATL and wanted the summer off.

User currently offlinephllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Quoting skymiler (Reply 64):
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 63):
Alright folks, the seat maps have been uploaded...

Note 20 in F on the 739! Also, an interesting 'stagger' with a closet in row 10 -- will that be a low closet or a full bulkhead?

Many of us were concerned that there would be only 16 due to the proposed 739 as a 757 replacement, so this is some relief! Just 2 less than the 'nasties' ... (75N) which hopefully will be heading off to the desert.

Just need that L2 door!

I'm delighted that there's 3 lavs in Y, but disappointed they didn't put one across from the closet ala CO with their mid-cabin lav.


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 984 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

You and approximately 20,000 flight attendants as well.

User currently offlinerscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

I just flew home from FLL-BWI yesterday on a FL 717 and I am looking forward to flying on them with DL. To think that I started my relationship with the FL 717 as a ramp rat at BWI loading bags and no many years later I will be flying around on them under the DELTA name  

On a side note the FL717's are pretty beat up on the inside and will look so much better with the new interiors.

RYAN


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