DXB has the most A380 movements? A380 movements mean nothing to me....
An airport/market can prove its weight by how many foreign airlines service it and type of aircraft they use to that airport (LAX, LHR, CDG, NRT etc), NOT by how many movements a subsidized airline can operate at its hub
jumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8321 times:
Quoting PW100 (Reply 4): Well, BA is a foreign airline for a US poster . . .
Given that BAs parent IAG is a listed company and has sizeable Spanish and other non UK shareholders you could argue that BA is at least an International or even a foreign airline from a UK [but not EU] perspective - but that's a whole big argument we don't want to get into on a Sunday morning....
TeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8138 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 3): He did say "foreign airlines", so you'd have to drop BA from the LHR list.
Quoting PW100 (Reply 4): Well, BA is a foreign airline for a US poster . . .
Quoting jumpjets (Reply 9): Given that BAs parent IAG is a listed company and has sizeable Spanish and other non UK shareholders you could argue that BA is at least an International or even a foreign airline from a UK [but not EU] perspective - but that's a whole big argument we don't want to get into on a Sunday morning....
Thank you for the support jumpjets, but regrettably it was more of me quickly reading what A380s were landing at an airport (totally missing the foreign airlines bit).
Weirdly though, I have lived in London for 2.5 years, and I still consider BA a foreign airline. It is hard to give up what you know to be domestic/foreign.
Since 2010: DL, KL, AF, WX, IG, FR , FL, U2, AK, BA, OK, UX, VS, VN, K6, AT, US, AY, BE, EI, LG, AZ, 9W, SG, AA
Azure From France, joined Dec 2012, 639 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8060 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 8): An airport/market can prove its weight by how many foreign airlines service it and type of aircraft they use to that airport
I have followed your approach and made a list of all the destinations served by A380 operators at today's date June 16th, 2013.
This list is subject to change in the next months (with BA introducing the aircraft in its fleet, AF ceasing A380 service to SIN and starting service to PVG, LH resuming MIA for the winter season, etc.)
I have included CZ domestic operations from CAN, but not included the hubs from where a given airline operates its A380 routes (ie CAN for CZ, FRA for LH, SYD for QF, etc).
A380 MAIN DESTINATIONS :
gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7951 times:
Quoting Azure (Reply 11): I have included CZ domestic operations from AND OLD: Guangzhou - Baiyun (CAN / ZGGG) (closed), China">CAN, but not included the hubs from where a given airline operates its A380 routes (ie AND OLD: Guangzhou - Baiyun (CAN / ZGGG) (closed), China">CAN for CZ, FRA for LH, SYD for QF, etc).
Ok it's debatable but you should include QF @ MEL, its not usually regarded as an international hub (just ask the Victorians!). I believe the A380 aircraft USUALLY operate SYD-DXB-LHR-DXB-MEL-DXB-LHR-DXB-SYD AND SYD-LAX-MEL-LAX-SYD.
ZRH will get a second A380 service in January 2014 when EK will change from 77W to A380 on the afternoon flight to DXB. I don't expect to see any other foreign airline to begin A380 service to Zurich in the short/medium term. The most likely candidate would be TG, but that would be a very long stretch since they only use their A346 to ZRH. But who knows what QR is up to in the next decade.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26508 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6166 times:
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 18): Quoting Azure (Reply 11):
Please do correct me if I am wrong.
YYZ - 1 (EK)
YUL - 1 (AF)
AF is not operating the A380 to YUL currently. Their schedule shows 3 daily CDG-YUL: one 744, one 77W, one A343. I think the A380 has far too many premium seats for YUL in the summer which is largely low-yield leisure traffic.
SFJeff From Spain, joined Dec 2009, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5973 times:
Quoting Azure (Reply 17): SFO is already included in the list and it is served by 2 carriers, LH and SQ !
Sorry; I overlooked that. However, SQ is not currently operating A380s to SFO. According to the SQ website. SQ1 and SQ15 are both 777-300ER. IIRC, SQ operated the A380 to SFO only for a short time last winter as a seasonal change.
legacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5679 times:
LH only flies their A380 into SFO seasonally, ~ March to December. AF flew in their A 380 for one Summer and has not flown in for the past two Summers. SQ flew their A 380 to SFO last Winter for ~ 4 months. No word if they plan on returning for W13.
Rumor, EK will start A 380 service 3/14.
: Correct. My mistake ! So the table after correction stands as follows : A380 MAIN DESTINATIONS : --------------------------------------------- HKG -
: It looks like JFK, LAX, and NRT have a significant number of A380 movements yet no A380s call those airports home. Interesting. Well there was the or
: And how about mentioning HKG as well ? Since EK has not been abiding by the IFRS norms so far, it is difficult to compare their accountings with thei
: Not a limit g500 respected in his comment that I responded to. PwC put their name on a legal document stating they do. "In our opinion, the accompany
: My bad ! And thanks for correcting me : I was forgetting the FY2013 was their first year to present accountings according to IFRS. Therefore you shou
: I only went back to 2008 but all of them are according to IFRS.
: I double checked and I was wrong on this point. The rest is valid, again.
: What other than using the EXIM bank remains? And why is EK using EXIM a big issue?
: We had that debate before. It is true that EK benefits from those credit export schemes. You may want to call that "subsidy" if you like. But by that
: They were also optimistic on number of airlines that took up the A388 and the production rate. I still believe once A388 production is increased, sal
: At first glance, Arbus' map quoted by Lightsaber gives six destinations for LAX
: To my knowledge,EXIM is not involved in the A380 case, but similar European Institutions (such as COFACE). Why is it a big issue ? Please ask Air Fra
: Sorry… Culpable of diagonal reading
: Don't think of EXIM as the US EXIM specifically but the function. What those airlines think about EXIM used in selling airlines doesn't isn't relevan
: Fine, then let me re-phrase it: You can look at a doped Olympic athlet and a normal person and say "the doped athlet has an unfair competitive advant
: Ok. I am taking your analogy : airlines from the OEM countries are athletes in a wheelchair, and all the others are not physically-challenged athlete
: Ok. But the US and Europe excluded their own airlines from the deals. Its for the two to sit down and hash out rules... rules that would make life ea
: I was surprised at the number of LHR A380s taxiing or at a gate that showed up in various wide shots during the recent Airport Live on BBC2. Mostly QA
: LAX has quite a selection of Super Jumbos. I noticed LH isn't flying their big bird to LAX. I would imagine LAX could fill more passengers to FRA than
: Can anyone tell me the numbers of A380 daily/weekly flights at each airport?
: Wrong. A market is indeed measured by the amount of Foreign carriers/equipment. Passenger counts isn't accurate to how strong a market is in an era o
: A high proportion of the 388 flights out of Heathrow leave between 8pm and 10pm - Both QFs daily 388 flights leave as do two of the SQs flights, 2 EK
: Then I'm sure you can provide published examples to support your claim. Because In my book a passenger is a passenger if they fly on a strong local c
: LH flies the A380 to SFO and not LAX because SFO is United's major West coast hub
: You will not find an airport/region with weak international service out perform an airport with both domestic and a strong international network. Per
: How is that confirmation of your statement that only international airlines count?
: There is a level of prestige/global importance that an airport/region receives when you see foreign tails from countries all over the world operating
: It's a bit messy, but looking at weekly operations: HKG - 6 (46) - SQ (7), EK (14), QF (4), KE (7), MH (7), TG (7) LAX - 5 (42) - SQ (7), QF (14), AF