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Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders  
User currently offlineModerators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 514 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 78909 times:

The much awaited 2013 Paris Air Show is upon us and we have decided it would be appropriate to run two main threads on the major LOI / MOU / Order announcements.
 This thread is for Boeing announcements.

Additionally, we realise that many Military Contracts may be announced. We ask that those be posted for discussion in our Military Aviation & Space Forum. 

Though we understand there will be split orders, having the official threads should make it a lot easier to track orders for each OEM and make for a good reference for the future of the site.

In relation to Regional and other orders such as ATR, Bombardier, Embraer, Sukhoi, Mitsubishi and COMAC etc or any major new developments of new frames or further news of R&D in existing projects please feel free to go ahead and post a thread as normal, or in an existing thread.

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8289 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 78377 times:

Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent (by KarelXWB Jun 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)
As announced here, Boeing is going to launch the 7810 at PAS. UA, BA, SQ, and Air Lease Corp are launch partners.

The main question is who are Air Lease frames goin to be flying for?

In terms of BA, Reuters says they're going to be placing a prelim order for 10 of the 787-10s.
$2.5 billion price tag. Dang son.

Follow me on twitter: www.twitter.com/phx787
User currently offlinetkukucka From Australia, joined Apr 2013, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 73641 times:

Qatar to order more 787 possibly

Source http://www.arabianbusiness.com/qatar...e-more-787-dreamliners-505247.html

User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 73541 times:

Boeing is being reported as accumulating at least 100 orders for the -10 for a total of $30 Billion. If this does not include SQ, then I believe its the 10 options for BA, 30 options for QR, and ___ for UA.

My other guesses are Eva Air, and option conversions from AC.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 4408 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 72345 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):

It does not say 'at least' 30 orders it says 'up to'. ALC is assumed to be one of the customers and QR specifically said they will not be the launch customer. Though they could be a follow up customer.


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1672 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 71675 times:

I love that CEO from Qatar airlines: "We are extremely disappointed with Boeing and quite unhappy over the 787, so we will likely firm up our orders for 30 more 787s in the near future." Speaking out of both sides of one's mouth is an art, and this guy is a master!

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 14180 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 71223 times:
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Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 5):
I love that CEO from Qatar airlines: "We are extremely disappointed with Boeing and quite unhappy over the 787, so we will likely firm up our orders for 30 more 787s in the near future." Speaking out of both sides of one's mouth is an art, and this guy is a master!

Normally I would agree AAB has the ability to speak out of both sides of the mouth... this comes across as crass negotiation. Maybe it worked this time, but next?!?

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):
Boeing is being reported as accumulating at least 100 orders for the -10

I'm hearing rumors of 'more than a hundred.' Let's see as my sources, when they share this late, are not always the best indicator. (They're much better with longer lead times and the ability to 'relax and filter the information.')


Lawn set to brown: dang drought.
User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 70386 times:

Gecas to order ten Boeing 787-10 jets -sources

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7164 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 69985 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 7):
Gecas to order ten Boeing 787-10 jets -sources

Boeing to launch the -10 on Tuesday? Interesting.

Oh well, at least a few -10s will have GEnxs...     

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 4408 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 69721 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 7):

Similar to the IAG order, I am surprised this is for only 10 units.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 69354 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 9):
Similar to the IAG order, I am surprised this is for only 10 units.

If I'm not mistaken, the recent media reports on IAG's planned order for 10 frames was merely in reference to the 787-10. That doesn't exclude an additional 8 787-9s for 18 total.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 4408 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 69195 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 10):

I believe that to be correct. I just feel that only 10 frames from such large entities (IAG, GECAS) appears uncharacteristically small.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 68961 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 11):
I just feel that only 10 frames from such large entities (IAG, GECAS) appears uncharacteristically small.

It will be larger than their (BA's) first 77W order.......

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15204 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 68371 times:

Orders for today to be announced at

> 10:30
> 11:15
> 12:00

[Edited 2013-06-17 00:57:52]

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinemacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 67933 times:

no ones here updating this thread?

TUI FLY commits for 60 MAX

We celebrate with @tui_travel as they commit to 60 737 MAX airplanes-- with options for 60 more. #PAS13 #Boeing pic.twitter.com/MSmrlgIfKJ

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15204 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 67873 times:

Quoting macc (Reply 14):
TUI FLY commits for 60 MAX

That is old news, it was reported a few weeks ago.


[Edited 2013-06-17 01:18:30]

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15204 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 67169 times:

> Skymark orders @BoeingAirplanes 737 Max
> We're excited to announce that Skymark Airlines intends to renew its fleet with the #Boeing 737 MAX
> Skymark CEO says firm order for 4 @BoeingAirplanes 737 Maxs. Boeing says still in negotiations on final number


[Edited 2013-06-17 01:50:49]

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 66416 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
Skymark CEO says firm order for 4 @BoeingAirplanes 737 Maxs. Boeing says still in negotiations on final number.

Doesn't appear to be a firm order according to Boeing's release:

LE BOURGET, France, June 17, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Tokyo-based Skymark Airlines (Skymark) today announced the airline's intent to select the Boeing 737 MAX as its next generation single aisle aircraft of choice, making it Japan's first airline to do so. The announcement came on the first day of the 2013 Paris Air Show. Boeing will work closely with Skymark to finalize a firm order in the coming months.

"intent to select" doesn't really even sound like a commitment at this point.

[Edited 2013-06-17 02:11:49]

User currently offlinemacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 65834 times:

4 planes? Must have been a typo.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15204 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 65881 times:

> GECAS orders 10 787-10x orders starting delivery in 2019.
> GECAS has ordered 10 787-10X to be powered by GEnx, deliveries 2019 to 2021


[Edited 2013-06-17 02:22:01]

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7164 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 65580 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
> GECAS orders 10 787-10x orders starting delivery in 2019.

That's a good looking plane!

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 13896 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 65588 times:
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Congrats to Boeing on their first order for a new model.   

I'm surprised they selected GEnx though.     

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8289 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 65401 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
> Skymark orders @BoeingAirplanes 737 Max

Expected, and perhaps the order that was rumored through my particular friend.

I think that number will go up eventually.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15204 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 65241 times:

And here is the press release:


It's a commitment and will be firmed once the aircraft is launched.

[Edited 2013-06-17 02:32:53]

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15204 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 64495 times:

Qatars orders 9 777-300ER aircraft.


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
25 scbriml : Looks like a mix of firm and commitments. Confirmed by Boeing - 2 firm & 7 options.[Edited 2013-06-17 03:12:16]
26 Post contains links KarelXWB : It appears to be 2 firm and 7 options: http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346570755481419776
27 scbriml : Yes, but is it now firm?
28 Post contains links KarelXWB : It doesn't look like it: http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346546141984346112 There is also no press release on the Boeing website.[Edited 20
29 Post contains links PM : The two firm have previously been announced as 'unidentified': http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2705
30 Post contains images MadameConcorde : There are two Dreamliners at Le Bourget. The Air India 787 is being used for the flying displays The Qatar Airways is there for the static presentatio
31 Post contains images scbriml : Oh, that's a bit boring. So no new orders added by Boeing yet.
32 chiad : Anyone know exactly how many firm orders Boeing got on the first day?
33 Post contains images MadameConcorde : It is slightly past 1.00 PM right now. There is still the whole afternoon to go. We may find out more after closing time when the business day is ove
34 eclipz : Doesn't look like we'll have anything this afternon
35 KarelXWB : This is what I have: > Skymark: MoU for at least 4 737 Max > Gecas: MoU for 10 787-10 > Qatar: identified as the UFO behind the order for 2
36 flood : Seemed like a recycled announcement, the order doesn't appear to have been firmed yet.
37 scbriml : But the QR firm order for two had previously been booked by Boeing as a UFO, so no new firm orders today. There's always tomorrow...
38 KarelXWB : You are right, it's not a new booking. I'll update my post.
39 Post contains images scbriml : Given that the GECAS commitment for 787-10s is "subject to the 787-10 program launch", does that mean, contrary to expectation, the launch won't actua
40 KarelXWB : Yesterday there was a rumor about an announcement tomorrow but today, Boeing said "maybe later this week".
41 Post contains images EPA001 : Yes, she is. . Those are most certainly in place. . Not a real surprise I guess, but still 9 big ones count. . Well, they are not undisclosed anymore
42 garpd : No one should expect big order announcements from Boeing at this air show. They have never had the tradition of saving up announcements for air shows
43 PHX787 : This is the thing. Those gigantic orders we have seen for the NEO and the MAX in the last few years were simply because of the launch of those aircra
44 KarelXWB : Well, there is the 787-10 of course.
45 PHX787 : True but that's a launch. We already had one launch customer announce a mere 10 frames. Sure it's important and big but what else should we expect? U
46 Post contains images tortugamon : True. But as far as I see it they have been rumored for about 100 orders for the launch and now that is two orders of 10 frames so I am really expect
47 rj777 : Is it just me, or does the 787-10 look like a 757 from that angle?
48 RDH3E : What about it's 772's? If you're looking at 2019 and later, that's a real possibility.
49 airlinebuilder : Boeing has never been a star player on air shows, that has been a trend, the same way boeing has not been really making waves on sales except for the
50 Post contains links mffoda : We may see Qatar order 30 789's... http://www.4-traders.com/THE-BOEING-...unch-customer-for-777-9X-17027239/ "The airline is also studying the possibi
51 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Karel, Just one minor correction. The QR +7 should be an MOU, not options. You can tell by the wording in Boeing's PR. They use the term 'when,' not
52 JAAlbert : I thought so too. I wonder if it will have the same rocket-propelled qualities that the great 757 has! So my question: If say United and others are s
53 Post contains links flood : Boeing via Twitter: 2 firm orders and 7 options for 777-300ERs from @qatarairways valued at $2.8 billion at list prices http://twitter.com/BoeingAirp
54 kanban : my vote would be yes it's a new order if they were firm orders before and reflect as cancelled. if they are options that are switched and become firm
55 NYC777 : What Boeing order going to look like tomorrow. Looking for opinions. Here's my thoughts: ILFC - 737, 787 ALC - 787 BA - 787 UA - 787 QR - 787
56 tortugamon : Everything that I have read has said that the -10 order will be from a conversion of 787 options and not a conversion of firm orders. In which case t
57 RDH3E : Ya know, except for the ones they have on order..... I wouldn't be surprised if they converted to 35J's either, but I think that assumption is a litt
58 Post contains links and images tortugamon : Bloomberg sources do not feel it is premature: "The carrier will modify a 2009 order to take 25 wide-body A350-1000s instead of the smaller -900 vari
59 Post contains images garpd : Artist's prediction of a BA 787-10
60 Post contains links KarelXWB : Unfortunately no 787-10 for QR: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-as-airbus-trumps-smaller-jet.html
61 NYC777 : Yup I know, that's why I just pout down 787 and not specifying a sub type
62 Post contains images mffoda : I know that, look what I wrote. "We may see Qatar order 30 789's"
63 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Huh. Weird. Boeing must be supremely confident they're going to firm them, then. Regards, Hamlet69
64 KarelXWB : I quoted the wrong post, there were some reports that Qatar may be interested in the 787-10 but these rumors are now off the table.
65 Post contains links tortugamon : Haha, maybe it has to do with confidence: Straight out of AAB's mouth (who knows which side): CEO Akbar Al-Baker noted the airline's history of takin
66 BoeingGuy : Skymark is a small airline. They started with 2 or 3 763s only.
67 motorhussy : Yes, and now they have 4 x A380's on order don't they?
68 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Call it a hunch, but I feel the 737's are a 'done deal', if you take my meaning. . . OTOH, I'm not sure ILFC is ready to take any more 787's. You may
69 rotating14 : They do. Which struck me as odd initially. Maybe they see something we cannot.
70 NYC777 : Funny they put in an order in 2004 (or is it 2005), cancel it, now are re-ordering it. Very strange.
71 tortugamon : ...and still plan on getting them starting next year... tortugamon
72 PanAm_DC10 : Not only that but they increased the amount of frames from an initial 3 to 6(?) with the second order just going from memory. With day one over what
73 flightsimer : There was only one cancelation in the whole 787 program that was directly due to the delay. All of the others were directly related the GFC, hence th
74 columba : No same here
75 Post contains images Dan23 : That is off the GECAS Facebook page. It looks as though they're jumping the gun??
76 tortugamon : Good looking Ad. Do we think it will be announced at the 9:30 talk? What are we guessing: SIA - 30 UA - 30? ALC - 20? IAG - 10 GECAS - 10 tortugamon
77 KarelXWB : I still think they will take 18 units. Six, not four. Nope.[Edited 2013-06-18 00:51:30]
78 ghifty : My question is what aircraft are the tails at the bottom from? Looks like a mix of the original Dreamliner "shark tail" and the one it actually has.
79 Prost : Does this qualify as an 'oops' or is it no big deal?
80 BestWestern : Is it Singapore or is it Scoot?
81 KarelXWB : SQ will order them for Scoot.
82 BestWestern : Shouldn't the tail be scoot then? In the same way it mentions IAG / BA
83 scbriml : I suspected this might be the case, but has it been confirmed anywhere?
84 KarelXWB : It's not confirmed yet. Sorry, I made an assumption.
85 Post contains links KarelXWB : Thanks to @united for ordering 20 of the 787-10X. #PAS13 #Boeing http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346908451051560960
86 Post contains links KarelXWB : Thanks to ALC for their commitment to buy 30 of the 787-10X. http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346908845718790144
87 slinky09 : Reuters is reporting ALC x30, United x20, SQ x30, GECAS x10 plus BA x 10. So looks like someone was right above!
88 tortugamon : We can finally drop the 'x'. Its official. Still waiting on the # for BA; 10 or 18. tortugamon
89 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : It's now official, the 787-10 has been formally launched. > ALC (30) > Singapore Airlines (30) > United Airlines (20) > IAG - BA (12) >
90 KarelXWB : It turns out to be 12 for BA.
91 tortugamon : Now we are hearing 12 for BA (via twitter): "Jason Rabinowitz ‏@AirlineFlyer 787-10 officially launched. 102 committed orders from 5 companies. Sing
92 rotating14 : So with this bit of news the -10 will eclipse at least 100 commitments. Not too shabby.
93 Post contains links KarelXWB : There are some conversions from the 787-9 as well: http://twitter.com/e_russell/status/346911872483749888
94 B747forever : Congratulations to Boeing and the launch customers. Way to go for Boeing to launch the 787-10 with over a 100 orders.
95 rotating14 : Ah ok. No carriers from Asia. Yet?
96 Post contains links tortugamon : SIA? New website launched: http://www.newairplane.com/787/787-10_announcement/ tortugamon
97 col : Excellent news on the -10, 787 back on track.
98 bobmuc : Is SQ not from Asia? Well done Boeing and good luck for the 787-10!
99 tortugamon : Don't look too hard at it though. 'Tokya' and '210-250 seats' are just a couple of the typos. tortugamon
100 Post contains images PHX787 : A great launch for the 787-10 Can't wait to see it in UA colors
101 B747forever : Argh, can't open the website on my iPad. Do they state the specs there?
102 Post contains images rotating14 : It happens. Lol
103 B747forever : Got it. Saw your uploaded picture there.
104 frigatebird : Or from -8s? Wasn't United's order (pmCO) for 25x 787-8?
105 Post contains links flood : Sorry if I missed it mentioned above - ALC also committed to an additional 3 789s. http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2710 CO had ord
106 dynamicsguy : They do, but someone got it wrong. The specs on the site are for the -8 instead of the -10.
107 e195 : only just waking up haha good launch on the -10 version and admittedly she does look a sexy beast, in the same way the 757 looks D
108 Post contains images astuteman : Of course technically they're still commitments that need firming up into orders at this point, but I know what you mean The 787-10 was never going t
109 flood : Ostrower tweets: Korean Air to Order Five Additional Boeing 747-8 Passenger Jets
110 holzmann : Sorry but I have decided that the 787-10 is the prettier aircraft. Then again, I wouldn't mind seeing a version painted with the A350 mask...
111 Post contains images sweair : Best announcement yet! Comfort and class long haul travel.
112 Polot : I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these go to SQ (to replace the A333 on regional routes), unless SQ is extremely confident is Scoot. They only
113 Post contains images na : Yes, definitely the best news from Paris yet for Boeing
114 sweair : I wonder how many seats AF could cram into a 748i compared to a 77W?
115 Post contains links KarelXWB : Ryanair shareholders approve Boeing 737 deal: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...eing-approval-idUSWLB003KG20130618
116 Post contains images EPA001 : Well, congratulates to all involved parties are in place. This is a great line-up of the first customers to get this program underway. The trend of a
117 NobleRT : I'm interested in the Korean air 748i order. They have yet to receive their first one correct? When is that scheduled for?
118 KarelXWB : Somewhere next year. I'm very curious about the cabin configuration.
119 Post contains images EPA001 : Just as on the A380 the colour scheme of KE could be the best looking on the B748.
120 fpetrutiu : So we have so far: 30x 787-10 + 3x 787-9 commitment for ALC - Boeing 20x 787-10 commitment for United (10 of which conv from previous order) - Boeing
121 NYC777 : why would any aircraft manufacturer want to make their airplane look like Batman?
122 flood : 10 of United's frames are conversions but they apparently also exercised 5 options last year - so UA has 65 787s on order.
123 na : Two hours ago now, when do we hear more?
124 scbriml : It seems there'll be more A350s soon as well. They do have quite a few 767s (non -400s), 747s and non-ER 777s that these planes can/will replace.
125 na : Why not the 764s? The 787-10 is much better suited to replace them than they could replace 744s.
126 Post contains images scbriml : I just assumed they would be the last 767s to be replaced. If you include the 767-400s and eventually the 777-200ERs, then clearly, UA needs more ord
127 Post contains links Scipio : Official now: KAL getting 5 748i's and 6 77Ws. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing...announce-commitment-140800676.html
128 Post contains links flood : "Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Korean Air today announced that the airline has agreed to purchase five 747-8 Intercontinental airplanes and six 777-300ER (Ex
129 Post contains links mffoda : Those 5 Korean 747-8i's will be accompanied by 6 773ER's... http://www.4-traders.com/THE-BOEING-...-11-Twin-Aisle-Airplanes-17029643/
130 Post contains links KarelXWB : And the press release: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2712 No firm order yet.
131 Post contains images Scipio : Beat you by 4 seconds Congrats to Boeing and KAL. Seems like the Queen is not dead yet after all ...
132 Post contains links and images KarelXWB :
133 Post contains images flood : Not dead but still on life support... a great order nonetheless!
134 KarelXWB : This is the third 747 order this year: > Air China: 2 (MoU) > Silk Way: 4 (MoU) > Korean Air: 5 (MoU) It seems that Airbus and Boeing are go
135 Post contains images na : Mmmh, champaign... ...and more bread and butter. The 764s are almost of the same age as the latest 744s of UA, just one or two years apart, and many
136 fun2fly : Wow, big $ order. Nice win. 17 total 748's for KE with 10 being 748i's. Impressive.
137 Miami : I'm surprised AA hasn't announced anything at PAS...
138 Post contains images scbriml : What? How many more planes do you think they need to have on order?
139 Miami : Well... They do want to be the world's largest airline... They need more long range aircraft to compete with other airlines to be the world's largest
140 Stitch : As am I. They run a very low-density, premium-heavy configuration in their A380-800s so will they go for a more heavier Economy cabin configuration o
141 ER757 : I missed that Silk Way one - I must have been under a rock someplace! Great news to see KE convert their options - have always been a big fan of the
142 Post contains images neutrino : Reports of the death of the Queen have been greatly exaggerated.
143 B747forever : Yes, a well needed boost for the 748i program. Seems to be the last order for the replacement of their 744s.
144 flightsimer : Silk Way's are -8F's. Glad to hear more 747-8I's are being ordered. Now if all the Mou's for them would just turn into firm orders it would be even b
145 KarelXWB : This one may take a while, their first order for 5 units was announced in 2011 and firmed in 2012.
146 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Both Boeing and Airbus believe the VLA market is in recovery and 2014 should be the turning point. The sales in 2013 will tell us if they were right.
147 Post contains images EA CO AS : Ok, I know it's my OCD kicking in, but what moron assembled the B787-10 UA and SQ models? Check out the horizontal stabilizers - they're inverted! It
148 behramjee : seems like Korean Air has ordered 5 additional B748is + 6 more B77Ws at the Paris Air Show Link: https://twitter.com/intent/user?query=%23Pas13&sc
149 AA737-823 : Presumably the same moron that posted all of the WRONG SPECS to the Boeing "new airplane" website. Well done, Boeing. Their marketing department seem
150 Post contains images KarelXWB : Haha, nicely spotted!
151 Post contains images scbriml : Let's hope they put the real things together a bit better!
152 Post contains links flood : CIT has ordered 30 737 MAX: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2714
153 Post contains images BlueSky1976 : ...for the same reason Boeing made 7E7 look like the flying fish?
154 Post contains links KarelXWB : Additionally, Boeing moved the 737 Max schedule forward by 3 months and first delivery is now set for Q3 2017 instead of the end of 2017. http://twit
155 Post contains links KarelXWB : And now confirmed by Boeing: http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/347277815428820994
156 MCOflyer : Nice model. Cant wait to see the actual plane in person. It does indeed look like the 757 from that angle. Are we the only two people to think that??
157 Post contains images na : It does, but with much nicer wings
158 chiad : Nice one!!! And there maybe another deal for the MAX before the end of the year.
159 slinky09 : Boeing confounding those who say they don't wait for PAS to announce orders, a bumber crop so far: 4x 737 MAX commitment (?) for Skymark, number uncon
160 Post contains images LY777 : Well, that's not bad
161 eclipz : Even if Boeing doesn't want to wait for airshows, customers might... plus, the 787-10 launch helps... ! And i guess they can't sell 10 planes while A
162 Post contains images Alpage : This is what concerns me...(no wonder the mess with the 787) ...if they do this with models..... (Little joke)
163 NAV20 : Boeing already have 890 firm orders for the 788 and 789. Assuming that all the orders already announced at Paris are 'firmed up,' that will take the
164 Post contains images cuban8 : Any memorable comments from Mr O'Leary this time, or is he for once keeping low profile??
165 KarelXWB : Yes, he said he could fit more people in the 737 by removing the cockpit.
166 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Oman Air buys 5 737-900ER NG aircraft: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2717
167 scbriml : Previously booked by Boeing as UFO.
168 Post contains images astuteman : 100+ commitments for the 787-10 is indeed satisfactory. But 100+ firm orders for the A350-1000 means it will probably never make it into production?
169 Farzan : I had to look that one up in the dictonary. Good self ironic comment though. Congrats to Boeing for a great launch. Let's see all those commitments b
170 Post contains images sweair : Maybe you should invest less emotions into dead things? Its just a dead piece of metal and some plastic
171 Post contains links KarelXWB : Boeing and Travel Service Announce Commitment for Three 737 MAXs: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2718
172 Post contains images NAV20 : Fair enough, Astuteman, I guess I 'asked for it'............ But 100-plus commitments at 'launch,' all from pretty solid customers, on top of around
173 Post contains links NeutronStar73 : I don't think the A358 has much life left in it. It seems the customers are moving to the A359, and some seems to have ordered the 788 instead of the
174 Post contains images Stitch : If he said the A320 was more fuel efficient than the 737NG, his investors would be asking why he didn't order the A320.
175 clydenairways : Well it holds 9 more in his configuration so he is probably correct.
176 Post contains images astuteman : .. And not bother subscribing to an airliner enthusiasts website I guess.... Never expected to be told not to be passionate about planes on here. Thi
177 MIflyer12 : Antipodean logic? More like selective filtering of fact. If Boeing has no more than 100 firm orders for the 787-10 ~two years after launch, I suspect
178 Post contains images ghifty : I suspect this is what was originally intended. For comparison the A35J was launched in Dec. 2006. Wiki shows the first firm order for it coming alon
179 SEPilot : Unfortunately, I think it's only a temporary reprieve. Once the 779X is available nobody in his right mind will buy the 748i.
180 BlueSky1976 : Marketing BS. Qantas confirmed some time ago that on the same segment distance, both A320 and 737 burn exactly the same amount of fuel. Therefore, if
181 astuteman : Not to mention the programme had a 2 year delay stuck in it. for a better comparison, the A350-1000 has 110 firm orders 4 years before EIS the 787-10
182 ContnlEliteCMH : I'm struggling with your math, mate. You state that Qantas says they burn "exactly the same amount of fuel". We'll call this quantity of fuel FuelQty
183 NeutronStar73 : I'm struggling with that math, too. Perhaps BlueSky can weigh in on that statement?
184 AA737-823 : Speaking of antipodean... "They burn the same fuel! So if you put in the same seat number, the A320 is better!" Run that logic by me again?
185 DFWHeavy : The 738 also has slightly longer legs than the 320.
186 RDH3E : C'mon, it's clear he meant the fuel CASM is identical. But the only way I'm believing that is if he's talking about a classic 737. 320's of the same
187 KarelXWB : And others like JAL and ANA are seriously looking at the A35J because Airbus is now "aggressively' marketing the largest A350.
188 SPQR : soooo..... any scuttlebutt on Boeing order announcements tomorrow now that 737 vs. 320 CASM and A350 sales predictions have been discussed?
189 Post contains images frigatebird : And don't forget the 787-10X has been talked about since 2007 as well, specs were known for years, ATO was granted over half a year ago. Airlines hav
190 Post contains images N14AZ : It's completely unacceptable to hijack this thread and to discuss Boeing-PAS-orders. First, we shall discuss the A 380-break-even and EK's subsidies!
191 Post contains images EPA001 : Great news. Especially the B748i. . Indeed, will they choose a similar layout for the B748i or will they go for something different. Not unexpected,
192 nomadd22 : That wasn't for the Max. It was for 738s.
193 MCOflyer : I'd like to see that in writing for proof. Theres no way a 737-800 with 150pax will the burn the same amount fuel as an A320 with the same. I say 150
194 EPA001 : Oops, that is what I meant. But instead of NG's I wrote MAX. Thanks for the correction.
195 aryonoco : Super happy about the KE 748i order. Really glad that the Queen still has some life in her. Is it now safe to say that the 747 will be flying regular
196 astuteman : With 200 MAX planned to be ordered by the year-end I understand My understanding is that typically the 737-800 will burn less fuel up to c. 800Nm, an
197 Dan23 : It will be interesting to see if the Qatar 787-9 order comes about today or tomorrow. Their website is showing 6 787's in service with 54 still to be
198 QANTAS747-438 : I read that they ordered 175 737s at $3 Billion. That's $17M per jet. Is Boeing giving them away?
199 Stitch : No way it was that cheap unless that is just the basic airframe (no engines, no cabin, no electronics, landing gear, APU, etc.). Boeing and Airbus ar
200 Post contains images NAV20 : Can't be sure - not enough 0's on my calculator - but I suspect that they were talking European billions - which are 1,000 million, not the American
201 zeke : Probably right, they would not be buying engines from Boeing. That would be another deal, those would most probably be a large lease deal from GE and
202 flood : CFM valued the engine deal at $3.7 Billion list, maybe that's what the report was referring to.
203 tortugamon : Daniel Tsang of Aspire Aviation reported that the U2 A320 order was for a low $30 Million figure. Coupled with fleet commonality savings sounds like
204 cmf : That theory is nice but doesn't work as an "American" billion is 1,000 millions and an 'European" billion is 1,000,000 millions. I.e. an "American" b
205 chiad : Dont say Boeing got raped again.... If so I am sure we will hear about it from a certain rude fellow soon enough.
206 LY777 : No orders for Boeing, today?
207 nomadd22 : Uh....No. They're not selling frames for $17 million.
208 SEPilot : I have been out of school for over 40 years, so maybe they changed something since then; but here in America I always thought that a billion was 1,00
209 goosebayguy : The English Billion is always bigger than the American billion.
210 Post contains links scbriml : Historically, this was true. Nowadays, a UK billion = US billion (ditto with trillion). I'm not aware of anyone (Government or banks) that use the ol
211 Post contains images NAV20 : I've been 'out' even longer than that, SEpilot! But the original query was:- Commented on as follows:- My guess is that, if the deal goes through, gi
212 Post contains links KarelXWB : Impossible, the list price of the 737-800 is $89.1 million. http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/prices/
213 Post contains links KarelXWB : Sngapore Airlines and United Airlines firmed their 787 orders: http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
214 Post contains images NAV20 : Thanks, KarelXWB. As in any other field, one 'lives and learns'............
215 airlinebuilder : Is Boeing just betting on the 787s on its sales, A seem to ba making a fortune on both its NB and WBs not to mention their sole VLA. Almost at the hom
216 dk1967 : Boeing firmed 205 737's this week. Have net firm orders of 591 for 737s this year.
217 Post contains images planesntrains : LOL 600 orders by June is now a failing grade. Poor Boeing... -Dave
218 airlinebuilder : all things being considered, I still believe Boeing has got to sharpen their marketing approach to the airlines, like seriously go through a very exte
219 Post contains links kanban : Per http://www.businessinsider.com/ryana...rders-175-boeing-737-8-jets-2013-6 , it was $15 Billion spent..
220 flood : Not literally... that's at list prices.
221 Post contains images rotating14 : Who's "we"? Also this is not the thread to criticize Boeing and their lagging sales and how they need to "sharpen its marketing skills". This thread
222 planesntrains : Sigh. Well, it was a successful airshow for Boeing IMO. The 787-10 launch with 102 orders - if nothing else happpened - is very positive news. 205 fi
223 dc1030cf : airlinebuilder, please explain what you are talking about in your reply#218 It doesn't make any sense. Thank you.
224 dk1967 : Unfilled orders thru May 2013 excluding 737: - 747 (55). You might have a point here for passenger variant; currently dominates global freighter mark
225 NYC777 : No one is really looking to buy a whole lot of 450+ passenger aircraft. The A380 is exactly flying (pun intended) off the shelves.
226 747-600X : So, is there anywhere to get a summary of the total orders? Flightglobal has some nice infographics which really aren't very informative. Like, a list
227 Post contains links AeroWesty : http://www.pdxlight.com/pas13.htm
228 bikerthai : This is really curious. Looking into the near future, Boeing will have 4 major product models: 737 Max 787 777 X 747-8 Airbus will have 3: A320 Neo A3
229 Post contains images astuteman : Rightly so, as they are currently still commitments, rather than firm orders. It won't be long though Rgds
230 NYC777 : Actually UA and SQ's -10 orders are firm. That's 40 right there (net).
231 neutrino : 50, including UA's 10 conversions from -9.
232 cmf : Very true. But this is another step up from NAV20's theory.
233 Post contains images astuteman : Didn't spot that. My bad. told you it wouldn't be long Rgds
234 rheinwaldner : I assume A330 will continue to sell better than 748's. So Airbus has four too.
235 BoeingVista : But how many of these were new orders and not just conversions, 10 of UA's orders were conversions as were all of BA's 10, so how many new orders did
236 Post contains links tortugamon : I believe that 10 of UA's 20 were conversions and the rest of the 102 were new orders so 92. You mention BA. BA exercised 18 options a couple months
237 Stitch : BA converted 18 options into firm orders last month and assigned 10 of them to the 787-10 at PAS. So they have 8 new orders which they need to assign
238 planesntrains : Ok, even though it's been pretty well noted that most were new orders, let's just say 75 were new orders. Is launching a new derivative widebody mode
239 Post contains images astuteman : Of course it is Rgds
240 BoeingVista : I'm looking for the actual numbers, nobody seems clear on which were new orders and which were conversions.
241 Stitch : United converted 10 firm orders from the 787-9 to the 787-10 and placed 10 new orders (recorded by Boeing on their 19 June 2013 O&D Update). Sing
242 KarelXWB : Don't forget the 767, it hold a backlog for almost another 10 years of production.
243 Post contains images scbriml : Not according to Boeing. BA's top-up of 18 is not yet firm - niether is their 'order' for 18 A350s.
244 planesntrains : I feel like this has been posted multiple times over the past few days. Hopefully this ends the questioning. Thanks Stitch. -Dave
245 BoeingVista : But isn't this a conversion of 18 options that happened in April hence already captured on the Boeing spreadsheet that has now been switched to 12 78
246 Post contains links scbriml : BA is not yet listed on Boeing's 2013 order page, so at this point in time, none of the 18 options they said they would exercise has been made firm.
247 planesntrains : Were they defined as a particular model at that time and then switched now, or was it left open to decide later? If the latter, then I would say it w
248 BoeingVista : Ok, fair enough.
249 tortugamon : See reply #236 where all of this was mentioned. Not sure why any of this matters though. tortugamon
250 KarelXWB : Correct, both 787 and A350 orders will be approved during a shareholders meeting later this year.
251 planesntrains : Wanting to know the true numbers is fine. It's just that it came as a challenge to my comment after I referred to the 787-10 launch as a successful p
252 BoeingVista : Yup, I see it now, didn't check the link earlier got distracted.. Trying to keep an accurate count is one of the things we do around here, Both major
253 tortugamon : Ok, gotcha. tortugamon
254 Stitch : I guess we need to define up front what a "conversion" is in this context. I define it as a pre-existing firm order for a specific model that is then
255 BoeingVista : I agree with your definitions but the situation shown up with the Boeing O&D sheet of the April BA conversion, ie not in it even where there is a
256 scbriml : I never meant to imply there was any doubt. It would be a major shock if any of those weren't booked by Boeing in the next few months.
257 flightsimer : Just a small correction. Boeing still has not added the -10 to the order spread sheets to be searched, so they still list United as having 14 -9's an
258 Post contains links PIEAvantiP180 : It was the -9 that UA converted its 10 previous orders from, at least according to this link. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE95J08120130620
259 tortugamon : I believe that would leave them with 4 787-9s right? That is very surprising IMO. However, I thought it was surprising that they converted any firm o
260 flightsimer : Until it comes straight from the horse's mouth, I still would not say it is for sure -9's. It is the only source that is reporting -9's as even unite
261 flightsimer : Yes, it is. I had 4 down originally, but as I was reviewing it, I kept reading -9 for the model and I went back and changed it to five since 14 -9 wa
262 Post contains links and images tortugamon : It happens (to me a lot) How do we know they want larger? 767s appear to be older than the 777s. Regardless I think this is moot. These guys can chan
263 Stitch : The searchable database is updated at the end of each month. As to the 787-9's, I believe those will mostly replace the 767-400ER fleet. As UA looks
264 tortugamon : If all airlines adopt similar logic to what you are suggesting it might be a three way horse race to determine which is the best selling variant of t
265 fun2fly : I think that is the right answer, coupled with the fact that UA seems to be going to a 2 class airline so they don't need the 789 space. When will th
266 PW100 : I think I know what's meant here, but what does the "s" stand for? Thanks, PW100
267 AeroWesty : "Subsidiary".
268 Post contains images KarelXWB : In fact, he only paid 50 euros for the whole deal. Cash that is. [Edited 2013-06-28 14:18:59]
269 Post contains links flightsimer : United's Conversions for -10 were all from -8's according to flightglobal's ascend database. 27 787-8's 18 787-9's 20 787-10's. http://www.flightgloba
270 fpetrutiu : so is United the only airline thus far to fly all models of the 787?
271 Polot : BA and SQ do as well (if you count Scoot as part of SQ).
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