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Paris Air Show 2013 - Boeing Orders  
User currently offlineModerators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 77739 times:
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The much awaited 2013 Paris Air Show is upon us and we have decided it would be appropriate to run two main threads on the major LOI / MOU / Order announcements.
 This thread is for Boeing announcements.



Additionally, we realise that many Military Contracts may be announced. We ask that those be posted for discussion in our Military Aviation & Space Forum. 

Though we understand there will be split orders, having the official threads should make it a lot easier to track orders for each OEM and make for a good reference for the future of the site.

In relation to Regional and other orders such as ATR, Bombardier, Embraer, Sukhoi, Mitsubishi and COMAC etc or any major new developments of new frames or further news of R&D in existing projects please feel free to go ahead and post a thread as normal, or in an existing thread.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days ago) and read 77207 times:

Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent (by KarelXWB Jun 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)
As announced here, Boeing is going to launch the 7810 at PAS. UA, BA, SQ, and Air Lease Corp are launch partners.

The main question is who are Air Lease frames goin to be flying for?

In terms of BA, Reuters says they're going to be placing a prelim order for 10 of the 787-10s.
$2.5 billion price tag. Dang son.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...87-10s-order-idUSL5N0ES0DM20130616



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User currently offlinetkukucka From Australia, joined Apr 2013, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 72471 times:

Qatar to order more 787 possibly


Source http://www.arabianbusiness.com/qatar...e-more-787-dreamliners-505247.html


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 72371 times:

Boeing is being reported as accumulating at least 100 orders for the -10 for a total of $30 Billion. If this does not include SQ, then I believe its the 10 options for BA, 30 options for QR, and ___ for UA.

My other guesses are Eva Air, and option conversions from AC.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...w-dreamliner-idUSL5N0ES0LG20130616


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 71175 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):

It does not say 'at least' 30 orders it says 'up to'. ALC is assumed to be one of the customers and QR specifically said they will not be the launch customer. Though they could be a follow up customer.

tortugamon


User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1572 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 70505 times:

I love that CEO from Qatar airlines: "We are extremely disappointed with Boeing and quite unhappy over the 787, so we will likely firm up our orders for 30 more 787s in the near future." Speaking out of both sides of one's mouth is an art, and this guy is a master!

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12981 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 70053 times:
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Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 5):
I love that CEO from Qatar airlines: "We are extremely disappointed with Boeing and quite unhappy over the 787, so we will likely firm up our orders for 30 more 787s in the near future." Speaking out of both sides of one's mouth is an art, and this guy is a master!

Normally I would agree AAB has the ability to speak out of both sides of the mouth... this comes across as crass negotiation. Maybe it worked this time, but next?!?

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):
Boeing is being reported as accumulating at least 100 orders for the -10

I'm hearing rumors of 'more than a hundred.' Let's see as my sources, when they share this late, are not always the best indicator. (They're much better with longer lead times and the ability to 'relax and filter the information.')

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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 69216 times:

Gecas to order ten Boeing 787-10 jets -sources
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...r-show-gecas-idUSL5N0ET08L20130617


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 68815 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 7):
Gecas to order ten Boeing 787-10 jets -sources
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...30617

Boeing to launch the -10 on Tuesday? Interesting.

Oh well, at least a few -10s will have GEnxs...     


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 68551 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 7):

Similar to the IAG order, I am surprised this is for only 10 units.

tortugamon


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 68184 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 9):
Similar to the IAG order, I am surprised this is for only 10 units.

If I'm not mistaken, the recent media reports on IAG's planned order for 10 frames was merely in reference to the 787-10. That doesn't exclude an additional 8 787-9s for 18 total.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 68025 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 10):

I believe that to be correct. I just feel that only 10 frames from such large entities (IAG, GECAS) appears uncharacteristically small.

tortugamon


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3358 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 67791 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 11):
I just feel that only 10 frames from such large entities (IAG, GECAS) appears uncharacteristically small.

It will be larger than their (BA's) first 77W order.......


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 67201 times:

Orders for today to be announced at

> 10:30
> 11:15
> 12:00

[Edited 2013-06-17 00:57:52]


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User currently offlinemacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 66763 times:

no ones here updating this thread?

TUI FLY commits for 60 MAX

We celebrate with @tui_travel as they commit to 60 737 MAX airplanes-- with options for 60 more. #PAS13 #Boeing pic.twitter.com/MSmrlgIfKJ



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 66703 times:

Quoting macc (Reply 14):
TUI FLY commits for 60 MAX

That is old news, it was reported a few weeks ago.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2686

[Edited 2013-06-17 01:18:30]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 65999 times:

> Skymark orders @BoeingAirplanes 737 Max
> We're excited to announce that Skymark Airlines intends to renew its fleet with the #Boeing 737 MAX
> Skymark CEO says firm order for 4 @BoeingAirplanes 737 Maxs. Boeing says still in negotiations on final number

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346548369117810688

[Edited 2013-06-17 01:50:49]


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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 65246 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
Skymark CEO says firm order for 4 @BoeingAirplanes 737 Maxs. Boeing says still in negotiations on final number.

Doesn't appear to be a firm order according to Boeing's release:

LE BOURGET, France, June 17, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Tokyo-based Skymark Airlines (Skymark) today announced the airline's intent to select the Boeing 737 MAX as its next generation single aisle aircraft of choice, making it Japan's first airline to do so. The announcement came on the first day of the 2013 Paris Air Show. Boeing will work closely with Skymark to finalize a firm order in the coming months.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2703

"intent to select" doesn't really even sound like a commitment at this point.

[Edited 2013-06-17 02:11:49]

User currently offlinemacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 64664 times:

4 planes? Must have been a typo.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 64711 times:

> GECAS orders 10 787-10x orders starting delivery in 2019.
> GECAS has ordered 10 787-10X to be powered by GEnx, deliveries 2019 to 2021

http://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status/346557245116530688
http://twitter.com/ghimlay/status/346557293929852928



[Edited 2013-06-17 02:22:01]


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 64410 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
> GECAS orders 10 787-10x orders starting delivery in 2019.

That's a good looking plane!


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 64418 times:
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Congrats to Boeing on their first order for a new model.   

I'm surprised they selected GEnx though.     



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 64231 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
> Skymark orders @BoeingAirplanes 737 Max

Expected, and perhaps the order that was rumored through my particular friend.

I think that number will go up eventually.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 64071 times:

And here is the press release:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2704

It's a commitment and will be firmed once the aircraft is launched.

[Edited 2013-06-17 02:32:53]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 63325 times:

Qatars orders 9 777-300ER aircraft.

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346568328464179200



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 64789 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
Qatars orders 9 777-300ER aircraft.

Looks like a mix of firm and commitments.

Confirmed by Boeing - 2 firm & 7 options.

[Edited 2013-06-17 03:12:16]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 64517 times:

It appears to be 2 firm and 7 options:

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346570755481419776



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 65925 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):
That is old news, it was reported a few weeks ago.

Yes, but is it now firm?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 65908 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 27):
Yes, but is it now firm?

It doesn't look like it:

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346546141984346112

There is also no press release on the Boeing website.

[Edited 2013-06-17 03:37:55]


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6882 posts, RR: 63
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 65378 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
Qatars orders 9 777-300ER aircraft.
Quoting scbriml (Reply 25):
Confirmed by Boeing - 2 firm & 7 options.

The two firm have previously been announced as 'unidentified':

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2705


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 65341 times:

There are two Dreamliners at Le Bourget. The Air India 787 is being used for the flying displays The Qatar Airways is there for the static presentation for Boeing guests to visit and for all to admire.

I will find out more tomorrow when I am there. I hope Boeing will get many new orders for this really awesome aircraft.

     



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 65059 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 29):
The two firm have previously been announced as 'unidentified':

Oh, that's a bit boring. So no new orders added by Boeing yet.  



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User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 65031 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 29):

Anyone know exactly how many firm orders Boeing got on the first day?


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 64923 times:

Quoting chiad (Reply 32):
Anyone know exactly how many firm orders Boeing got on the first day?

It is slightly past 1.00 PM right now. There is still the whole afternoon to go. We may find out more after closing time when the business day is over.

  



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User currently onlineeclipz From France, joined Jun 2006, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 64759 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 33):
It is slightly past 1.00 PM right now. There is still the whole afternoon to go. We may find out more after closing time when the business day is over.


Doesn't look like we'll have anything this afternon

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):

Orders for today to be announced at

> 10:30
> 11:15
> 12:00


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 64967 times:

Quoting chiad (Reply 32):
Anyone know exactly how many firm orders Boeing got on the first day?

This is what I have:

> Skymark: MoU for at least 4 737 Max
> Gecas: MoU for 10 787-10
> Qatar: identified as the UFO behind the order for 2 77W + 7 options

Not sure about that TUI order.

[Edited 2013-06-17 04:32:01]


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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 64530 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
Not sure about that TUI order.

Seemed like a recycled announcement, the order doesn't appear to have been firmed yet.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 64568 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
> Qatar: firm for 2 77W + 7 optionst

But the QR firm order for two had previously been booked by Boeing as a UFO, so no new firm orders today. There's always tomorrow...



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 64487 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 37):
But the QR firm order for two had previously been booked by Boeing as a UFO, so no new firm orders today.

You are right, it's not a new booking. I'll update my post.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 64181 times:
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Given that the GECAS commitment for 787-10s is "subject to the 787-10 program launch", does that mean, contrary to expectation, the launch won't actually be announced at Paris?  


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 63955 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 39):
the launch won't actually be announced at Paris?

Yesterday there was a rumor about an announcement tomorrow but today, Boeing said "maybe later this week".



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 39
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days ago) and read 62340 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 20):
That's a good looking plane!

Yes, she is.  .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 21):
Congrats to Boeing on their first order for a new model.   

Those are most certainly in place.   .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
Qatars orders 9 777-300ER aircraft.

Not a real surprise I guess, but still 9 big ones count.  .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 31):
Oh, that's a bit boring. So no new orders added by Boeing yet.  

Well, they are not undisclosed anymore.  .


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 months 5 days ago) and read 61919 times:

No one should expect big order announcements from Boeing at this air show. They have never had the tradition of saving up announcements for air shows like Airbus do and I see no reason they would start to do so. I know some of their customers might prefer to do so (Qatar comes to mind), which will account for some announcements, but Boeing generally announce orders whenever they are booked.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 60286 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 42):
No one should expect big order announcements from Boeing at this air show.

This is the thing.

Those gigantic orders we have seen for the NEO and the MAX in the last few years were simply because of the launch of those aircraft and the projected replacement times for the current operators' fleets coincided perfectly. We won't see much Boeing this year because there really isn't anything special that has happened in the last year ----except of course, the horrible battery issues.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 60102 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43):
We won't see much Boeing this year because there really isn't anything special that has happened in the last year

Well, there is the 787-10 of course.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 59969 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Well, there is the 787-10 of course.

True but that's a launch. We already had one launch customer announce a mere 10 frames. Sure it's important and big but what else should we expect? UA isn't going to replace its entire 744 fleet with this.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 59407 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 45):
UA isn't going to replace its entire 744 fleet with this.

True. But as far as I see it they have been rumored for about 100 orders for the launch and now that is two orders of 10 frames so I am really expecting at least one 30+ order for the 787-10 (other than SQ) or two-25 unit orders from ALC & UA. Those would be some big announcements to come. At this point I think it will be a large order from UA as they appear to have moved all of their A359s to A351s and they have a very large number of 777s.

>SW 30
>BA 10
>GECAS 10
>ALC ?
>UA ?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):

Good looking aircraft but it does make me kinda glad they are stretching it 5.5m instead of 6m. That looks borderline long relative to the wing to me. Somebody get your tape measure out and do the math, are those 60m or 63m wings!  

tortugamon


User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 59257 times:

Is it just me, or does the 787-10 look like a 757 from that angle?

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1640 posts, RR: 3
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 58645 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 45):
True but that's a launch. We already had one launch customer announce a mere 10 frames. Sure it's important and big but what else should we expect? UA isn't going to replace its entire 744 fleet with this.

What about it's 772's? If you're looking at 2019 and later, that's a real possibility.


User currently offlineairlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 58117 times:

Boeing has never been a star player on air shows, that has been a trend, the same way boeing has not been really making waves on sales except for the salvaging of whats left of the B737 till kingdom come.

As much as I would like to see Boeing making a whole lot of headlines, it seem that commercially meaning sales pitching, Airbus has garnered all the expertise on that department. They can make the A380 look as if it is the most practical of all aircrafts ever made, and what do you know, airlines and leasing firms are buying it.......

I hope Boeing can at least garner some B748i orders from airlines


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Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 57522 times:

We may see Qatar order 30 789's...

http://www.4-traders.com/THE-BOEING-...unch-customer-for-777-9X-17027239/

"The airline is also studying the possibility of exercising options for a further 30 787-9 Dreamliners on top of 30 787s already confirmed, he told reporters."



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2742 posts, RR: 58
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 55515 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
> Skymark: MoU for at least 4 737 Max
> Gecas: MoU for 10 787-10
> Qatar: identified as the UFO behind the order for 2 77W + 7 options

Not sure about that TUI order.

Karel,

Just one minor correction. The QR +7 should be an MOU, not options. You can tell by the wording in Boeing's PR. They use the term 'when,' not 'if.' Having followed these announcements for years, I can tell you Boeing almost always use 'if firmed' when they are talking about options, while they use 'when firmed' when talking about an MOU or Commitment.  


In regards to TUI, we should see that order firmed on or around July 9th.


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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1572 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 55454 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 47):
Is it just me, or does the 787-10 look like a 757 from that angle?

I thought so too. I wonder if it will have the same rocket-propelled qualities that the great 757 has!

So my question: If say United and others are simply switching orders from the 8 to the 10, does that really count as a new order? The new order would essentially be cannibalizing existing orders - without a net gain. I guess Boeing would get to change the price significantly upwards so that is something, but it doesn't give bragging rights to say the plane is more popular than ever ( or does it).


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 55295 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 51):
The QR +7 should be an MOU, not options. You can tell by the wording in Boeing's PR.

Boeing via Twitter:

2 firm orders and 7 options for 777-300ERs from @qatarairways valued at $2.8 billion at list prices
http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346570755481419776


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3472 posts, RR: 27
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 54830 times:
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Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 52):
If say United and others are simply switching orders from the 8 to the 10, does that really count as a new order?

my vote would be yes it's a new order if they were firm orders before and reflect as cancelled. if they are options that are switched and become firm, it's a new order.


User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5744 posts, RR: 47
Reply 55, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 54806 times:

What Boeing order going to look like tomorrow. Looking for opinions.

Here's my thoughts:

ILFC - 737, 787
ALC - 787
BA - 787
UA - 787
QR - 787



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 56, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 54745 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 52):
If say United and others are simply switching orders from the 8 to the 10,

Everything that I have read has said that the -10 order will be from a conversion of 787 options and not a conversion of firm orders. In which case that would be a new order.

With nearly 150 753s, 763s, 764s, 772s, and 77Es on hand and potentially no A359s on order I believe UA will need as many -8s and 9s as it has on order and probably more.

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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1640 posts, RR: 3
Reply 57, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 54424 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 56):
nd potentially no A359s on order

Ya know, except for the ones they have on order..... I wouldn't be surprised if they converted to 35J's either, but I think that assumption is a little premature.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 58, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 54172 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 57):
Ya know, except for the ones they have on order..... I wouldn't be surprised if they converted to 35J's either, but I think that assumption is a little premature.

Bloomberg sources do not feel it is premature:
"The carrier will modify a 2009 order to take 25 wide-body A350-1000s instead of the smaller -900 variant as once planned"
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...gest-dreamliner-787-a350-1000.html

I think the 351 is the better fit but I thought they would need some -900s as well. I think we will have a better idea tomorrow  .

tortugamon


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 59, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 54294 times:

Artist's prediction of a BA 787-10



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 60, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 54003 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 50):
We may see Qatar order 30 789's...
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55):
QR - 787

Unfortunately no 787-10 for QR:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-as-airbus-trumps-smaller-jet.html



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User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5744 posts, RR: 47
Reply 61, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 53646 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 60):

Unfortunately no 787-10 for QR:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0....html

Yup I know, that's why I just pout down 787 and not specifying a sub type



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User currently onlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 53602 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 60):
Quoting mffoda (Reply 50):
We may see Qatar order 30 789's...
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55):
QR - 787

Unfortunately no 787-10 for QR:


I know that, look what I wrote. "We may see Qatar order 30 789's"  



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2742 posts, RR: 58
Reply 63, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 53613 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 53):
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 51):
The QR +7 should be an MOU, not options. You can tell by the wording in Boeing's PR.

Boeing via Twitter:

2 firm orders and 7 options for 777-300ERs from @qatarairways valued at $2.8 billion at list prices
http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346570755481419776


Huh. Weird.

Boeing must be supremely confident they're going to firm them, then.  

Regards,

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 64, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 53511 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 62):
I know that, look what I wrote

I quoted the wrong post, there were some reports that Qatar may be interested in the 787-10 but these rumors are now off the table.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 65, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 53304 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 63):
Boeing must be supremely confident they're going to firm them, then.

Haha, maybe it has to do with confidence: Straight out of AAB's mouth (who knows which side):

CEO Akbar Al-Baker noted the airline's history of taking planes it's had on option.
"We do not make orders to have planes on paper," Al-Baker said.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...-airways-boeing-777-300er/2429979/

I found this sentence to be interesting though:
"The planes are scheduled to begin arriving to the Doha-based carrier early next year"

This must be the UFO from 10/31/11 versus the later ones. Even then a


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3045 posts, RR: 7
Reply 66, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 52331 times:

Quoting macc (Reply 18):
4 planes? Must have been a typo.

Skymark is a small airline. They started with 2 or 3 763s only.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3179 posts, RR: 9
Reply 67, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 52140 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 66):
Skymark is a small airline. They started with 2 or 3 763s only.

Yes, and now they have 4 x A380's on order don't they?



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2742 posts, RR: 58
Reply 68, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 52337 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55):
ILFC - 737, 787

Call it a hunch, but I feel the 737's are a 'done deal', if you take my meaning. . .  

OTOH, I'm not sure ILFC is ready to take any more 787's. You may see them do some more conversions, tho.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55):
ALC - 787
BA - 787
UA - 787
QR - 787

It certainly appears to be shaping up that way.

It may not be very 'sexy', but I'd like to see some more of the current UFO orders identified. There's a couple groups in particular that I honestly don't understand what they are waiting on. . .

I also think the 777 will get a bit more press time before the show is over. . .

Edited to add:

Now that Xiamen has decided on the GEnx to power their 787's, perhaps it's time to get around to finally re-ordering the darn things!  Silly


Regards,

Hamlet69

[Edited 2013-06-17 15:53:17]


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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 51699 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 67):
Yes, and now they have 4 x A380's on order don't they?

They do. Which struck me as odd initially. Maybe they see something we cannot.


User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5744 posts, RR: 47
Reply 70, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 51574 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 68):
Now that Xiamen has decided on the GEnx to power their 787's, perhaps it's time to get around to finally re-ordering the darn things!

Funny they put in an order in 2004 (or is it 2005), cancel it, now are re-ordering it. Very strange.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 71, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 51397 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 70):
Funny they put in an order in 2004 (or is it 2005), cancel it, now are re-ordering it

...and still plan on getting them starting next year...

tortugamon


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4135 posts, RR: 90
Reply 72, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 50940 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 71):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 70):
Funny they put in an order in 2004 (or is it 2005), cancel it, now are re-ordering it

...and still plan on getting them starting next year...

Not only that but they increased the amount of frames from an initial 3 to 6(?) with the second order just going from memory.

With day one over what are the orders so far, from Boeing;

- Skymark Airlines intent to order the MAX
- GECAS commitment to order 10 787-10X
- Qatar for 2 UFO 77W + 7 additional commitments yet to be firmed

Any more?



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 50034 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 70):
Funny they put in an order in 2004 (or is it 2005), cancel it, now are re-ordering it. Very strange.

There was only one cancelation in the whole 787 program that was directly due to the delay. All of the others were directly related the GFC, hence the reason why carriers that canceled are now reordering or will be soon now that the economies are starting to return.



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 74, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 48877 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 47):

No same here



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User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 48529 times:



That is off the GECAS Facebook page. It looks as though they're jumping the gun??  


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 76, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 48372 times:

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 75):
That is off the GECAS Facebook page.

Good looking Ad. Do we think it will be announced at the 9:30 talk?

What are we guessing:

SIA - 30
UA - 30?
ALC - 20?
IAG - 10
GECAS - 10

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 77, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 47963 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 76):
IAG - 10

I still think they will take 18 units.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 67):
Yes, and now they have 4 x A380's on order don't they?

Six, not four.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 72):
Any more?

Nope.

[Edited 2013-06-18 00:51:30]


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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 47942 times:

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 75):
That is off the GECAS Facebook page. It looks as though they're jumping the gun??

My question is what aircraft are the tails at the bottom from? Looks like a mix of the original Dreamliner "shark tail" and the one it actually has. I like it!



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User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 47833 times:

Does this qualify as an 'oops' or is it no big deal?

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 80, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 47577 times:

Is it Singapore or is it Scoot?


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 81, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 47597 times:

SQ will order them for Scoot.


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7113 posts, RR: 57
Reply 82, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 47322 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
SQ will order them for Scoot.

Shouldn't the tail be scoot then? In the same way it mentions IAG / BA



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 83, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 47179 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
SQ will order them for Scoot.

I suspected this might be the case, but has it been confirmed anywhere?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 84, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 47044 times:

It's not confirmed yet. Sorry, I made an assumption.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 85, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46923 times:

Thanks to @united for ordering 20 of the 787-10X. #PAS13 #Boeing

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346908451051560960



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 86, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46900 times:

Thanks to ALC for their commitment to buy 30 of the 787-10X.

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/346908845718790144



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User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46839 times:

Reuters is reporting ALC x30, United x20, SQ x30, GECAS x10 plus BA x 10. So looks like someone was right above!

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 88, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46740 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 86):
787-10X.

We can finally drop the 'x'. Its official. Still waiting on the # for BA; 10 or 18.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 89, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46873 times:

It's now official, the 787-10 has been formally launched.

> ALC (30)
> Singapore Airlines (30)
> United Airlines (20)
> IAG - BA (12)
> GECAS (10)



[Edited 2013-06-18 01:42:32]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 90, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46609 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 88):
Its official. Still waiting on the # for BA; 10 or 18.

It turns out to be 12 for BA.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 91, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46681 times:

Now we are hearing 12 for BA (via twitter):

"Jason Rabinowitz ‏@AirlineFlyer
787-10 officially launched. 102 committed orders from 5 companies. Singapore 30, United 20, British 12, GECAS 10

tortugamon


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46600 times:

So with this bit of news the -10 will eclipse at least 100 commitments. Not too shabby.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 93, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46527 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 92):
So with this bit of news the -10 will eclipse at least 100 commitments. Not too shabby.

There are some conversions from the 787-9 as well:

http://twitter.com/e_russell/status/346911872483749888



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17061 posts, RR: 10
Reply 94, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46554 times:

Congratulations to Boeing and the launch customers. Way to go for Boeing to launch the 787-10 with over a 100 orders.


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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46368 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 94):

Ah ok. No carriers from Asia. Yet?


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 96, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46429 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 96):
No carriers from Asia. Yet?

SIA?

New website launched:

http://www.newairplane.com/787/787-10_announcement/

tortugamon


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2104 posts, RR: 22
Reply 97, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46400 times:

Excellent news on the -10, 787 back on track.

User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46396 times:

Is SQ not from Asia?  Wow!

Well done Boeing and good luck for the 787-10!


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3433 posts, RR: 10
Reply 99, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46475 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 97):
New website launched:

Don't look too hard at it though. 'Tokya' and '210-250 seats' are just a couple of the typos.

tortugamon


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7394 posts, RR: 17
Reply 100, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46551 times:

A great launch for the 787-10  

Can't wait to see it in UA colors  



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17061 posts, RR: 10
Reply 101, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46469 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 97):


New website launched:

http://www.newairplane.com/787/787-10_announcement/

tortugamon


Argh, can't open the website on my iPad. Do they state the specs there?



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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46729 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 97):
Quoting bobmuc (Reply 100):

     

It happens. Lol


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17061 posts, RR: 10
Reply 103, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46558 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 105):
Yes, but I suggest we discuss the specs in here:

Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent (by KarelXWB Jun 13

Got it. Saw your uploaded picture there.



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 46564 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 94):
There are some conversions from the 787-9 as well:

http://twitter.com/e_russell/status/...49888

Or from -8s? Wasn't United's order (pmCO) for 25x 787-8?



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 45640 times:

Sorry if I missed it mentioned above - ALC also committed to an additional 3 789s.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2710

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 106):
Or from -8s? Wasn't United's order (pmCO) for 25x 787-8?

CO had ordered 20 788s, later added 5 789s (and simultaneously converted 12 788s to 789s).
I tried putting it together some time ago here http://www.pdxlight.com/787.htm


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 869 posts, RR: 9
Reply 106, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 45021 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 103):
Argh, can't open the website on my iPad. Do they state the specs there?

They do, but someone got it wrong. The specs on the site are for the -8 instead of the -10.


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Reply 107, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 44478 times:
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only just waking up haha
good launch on the -10 version and admittedly she does look a sexy beast, in the same way the 757 looks

D



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9997 posts, RR: 96
Reply 108, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 43566 times:
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 94):
Way to go for Boeing to launch the 787-10 with over a 100 orders.

Of course technically they're still commitments that need firming up into orders at this point, but I know what you mean  

The 787-10 was never going to be anything other than a success   

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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 43600 times:

Ostrower tweets: Korean Air to Order Five Additional Boeing 747-8 Passenger Jets

User currently offlineholzmann From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 43085 times:

Sorry but I have decided that the 787-10 is the prettier aircraft.

Then again, I wouldn't mind seeing a version painted with the A350 mask...


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 43002 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 109):
Ostrower tweets: Korean Air to Order Five Additional Boeing 747-8 Passenger Jets

Best announcement yet!   Comfort and class long haul travel.


User currently onlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 42707 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
SQ will order them for Scoot.
Quoting scbriml (Reply 83):
I suspected this might be the case, but has it been confirmed anywhere?

I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these go to SQ (to replace the A333 on regional routes), unless SQ is extremely confident is Scoot. They only have 4 planes right now with the 20 787s on order. Adding 30 additional 787s to Scoot seems a little excessive at the moment.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 113, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 42664 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 111):
Quoting flood (Reply 109):
Ostrower tweets: Korean Air to Order Five Additional Boeing 747-8 Passenger Jets

Best announcement yet!   Comfort and class long haul travel.


Yes, definitely the best news from Paris yet for Boeing 


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 42359 times:

I wonder how many seats AF could cram into a 748i compared to a 77W?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 115, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 42086 times:

Ryanair shareholders approve Boeing 737 deal:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...eing-approval-idUSWLB003KG20130618



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 39
Reply 116, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 41585 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 89):
It's now official, the 787-10 has been formally launched.

> ALC (30)
> Singapore Airlines (30)
> United Airlines (20)
> IAG - BA (12)
> GECAS (10)

Well, congratulates to all involved parties are in place. This is a great line-up of the first customers to get this program underway.     

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 93):
There are some conversions from the 787-9 as well:

The trend of airplanes becoming bigger and bigger continues.  .

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 100):
A great launch for the 787-10  

   It is indeed.

Quoting astuteman (Reply 108):
The 787-10 was never going to be anything other than a success   

Yes it was, and now it is.  .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 115):
Ryanair shareholders approve Boeing 737 deal:

Good news as well.  


User currently offlineNobleRT From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 41711 times:

I'm interested in the Korean air 748i order. They have yet to receive their first one correct? When is that scheduled for?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 118, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 41531 times:

Quoting NobleRT (Reply 117):
When is that scheduled for?

Somewhere next year. I'm very curious about the cabin configuration.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 39
Reply 119, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 41529 times:
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Quoting NobleRT (Reply 117):
I'm interested in the Korean air 748i order.

Just as on the A380 the colour scheme of KE could be the best looking on the B748.  


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 41431 times:

So we have so far:

30x 787-10 + 3x 787-9 commitment for ALC - Boeing
20x 787-10 commitment for United (10 of which conv from previous order) - Boeing
30x 787-10commitment for Singapore Airlines - Boeing
12x 787-10 commitment for BA subject to shareholder approval - Boeing
10x 787-10X commitment for lessor GECAS - Boeing

that's 102 frames. Not bad for 2 days. that is 10% of all 787's ordered to date. What is really interesting is the United MoU. 20 extra 787's on top of their 50 on the books + the A350's seem quite a bit.

[Edited 2013-06-18 06:31:20]

User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5744 posts, RR: 47
Reply 121, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 41223 times:

Quoting holzmann (Reply 110):
Then again, I wouldn't mind seeing a version painted with the A350 mask...

why would any aircraft manufacturer want to make their airplane look like Batman?



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 41214 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 120):
What is really interesting is the United MoU. 20 extra 787's on top of their 50 on the books + the A350's seem quite a bit.

10 of United's frames are conversions but they apparently also exercised 5 options last year - so UA has 65 787s on order.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 123, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40895 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 109):
Ostrower tweets: Korean Air to Order Five Additional Boeing 747-8 Passenger Jets

Two hours ago now, when do we hear more?


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 124, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40869 times:
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Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 120):
20 extra 787's on top of their 50 on the books + the A350's seem quite a bit.

It seems there'll be more A350s soon as well. They do have quite a few 767s (non -400s), 747s and non-ER 777s that these planes can/will replace.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 125, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40732 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 124):
They do have quite a few 767s (non -400s), 747s and non-ER 777s that these planes can/will replace.

Why not the 764s? The 787-10 is much better suited to replace them than they could replace 744s.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 126, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40548 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 125):
Why not the 764s?

I just assumed they would be the last 767s to be replaced. If you include the 767-400s and eventually the 777-200ERs, then clearly, UA needs more orders.  wink 

[Edited 2013-06-18 07:07:40]


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User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 127, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40902 times:

Official now: KAL getting 5 748i's and 6 77Ws.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing...announce-commitment-140800676.html


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40886 times:

Quoting na (Reply 123):
Two hours ago now, when do we hear more?

"Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Korean Air today announced that the airline has agreed to purchase five 747-8 Intercontinental airplanes and six 777-300ER (Extended Range) jetliners, valued at approximately $3.6 billion at current list prices. Boeing will work with Korean Air to finalize the order, at which time the order will be posted to Boeing's Orders & Deliveries website."

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2712


User currently onlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40809 times:

Those 5 Korean 747-8i's will be accompanied by 6 773ER's...

http://www.4-traders.com/THE-BOEING-...-11-Twin-Aisle-Airplanes-17029643/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40678 times:

And the press release:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2712

No firm order yet.



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User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40716 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 128):
"Boeing (NYSE: BA) and Korean Air today announced

Beat you by 4 seconds  

Congrats to Boeing and KAL. Seems like the Queen is not dead yet after all ...


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 132, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40658 times:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/file.php/88028/kal_pas.jpg


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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40658 times:

Not dead but still on life support... a great order nonetheless!

Quoting Scipio (Reply 131):
Beat you by 4 seconds

    


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40856 times:

Quoting Scipio (Reply 131):
Seems like the Queen is not dead yet after all ...

This is the third 747 order this year:

> Air China: 2 (MoU)
> Silk Way: 4 (MoU)
> Korean Air: 5 (MoU)

It seems that Airbus and Boeing are going to sell some VLAs this year.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 40675 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 129):
...has agreed to purchase five 747-8 Intercontinental airplanes...


 Mmmh, champaign...

Quoting mffoda (Reply 129):
...and six 777-300ER

...and more bread and butter.  

Quoting scbriml (Reply 126):
If you include the 767-400s and eventually the 777-200ERs, then clearly, UA needs more orders.

The 764s are almost of the same age as the latest 744s of UA, just one or two years apart, and many of their 77Es are older, up to 17 years old, so its time to think about replacements for them.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 134):
It seems that Airbus and Boeing are going to sell some VLAs this year.

About time, high time.


User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 40669 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 129):
Those 5 Korean 747-8i's will be accompanied by 6 773ER's...

Wow, big $ order. Nice win. 17 total 748's for KE with 10 being 748i's. Impressive.


User currently offlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 970 posts, RR: 45
Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 40445 times:
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I'm surprised AA hasn't announced anything at PAS...


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 40295 times:
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Quoting Miami (Reply 137):
I'm surprised AA hasn't announced anything at PAS...

What? How many more planes do you think they need to have on order?   



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User currently offlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 970 posts, RR: 45
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 40087 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 138):

Well... They do want to be the world's largest airline... They need more long range aircraft to compete with other airlines to be the world's largest airline. Now I do know they have 777W, 787-8, and 787-9 on order.

They just need more routes to: Asia, the Pacific, Europe, and even Africa to compete with airlines that come in to their hub airports.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30857 posts, RR: 86
Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 40129 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 118):
I'm very curious about the cabin configuration (of KE's 747-8s).

As am I. They run a very low-density, premium-heavy configuration in their A380-800s so will they go for a more heavier Economy cabin configuration on their 747-8s, or follow LH's lead and load her up with premium cabin seating?


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 39941 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 134):
This is the third 747 order this year:

> Air China: 2 (MoU)
> Silk Way: 4 (MoU)
> Korean Air: 5 (MoU)

It seems that Airbus and Boeing are going to sell some VLAs this year.

I missed that Silk Way one - I must have been under a rock someplace!

Great news to see KE convert their options - have always been a big fan of the 747 and would love to see her live on for some time to come in the passenger variant.


User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 39418 times:

Quoting Scipio (Reply 131):
Seems like the Queen is not dead yet after all ...

Reports of the death of the Queen have been greatly exaggerated.  



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17061 posts, RR: 10
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 38329 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 129):

Those 5 Korean 747-8i's will be accompanied by 6 773ER's...

http://www.4-traders.com/THE-BOEING-...-11-Twin-Aisle-Airplanes-17029643/

Yes, a well needed boost for the 748i program. Seems to be the last order for the replacement of their 744s.



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 36922 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 141):

Silk Way's are -8F's.

Glad to hear more 747-8I's are being ordered. Now if all the Mou's for them would just turn into firm orders it would be even better; Transareo, Hainan, Air China for another 21 frames.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 36106 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 144):
Air China

This one may take a while, their first order for 5 units was announced in 2011 and firmed in 2012.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 35930 times:

Quoting na (Reply 135):
About time, high time.

Both Boeing and Airbus believe the VLA market is in recovery and 2014 should be the turning point. The sales in 2013 will tell us if they were right.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/6ih310.jpg



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 35076 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 89):
It's now official, the 787-10 has been formally launched.

Ok, I know it's my OCD kicking in, but what moron assembled the B787-10 UA and SQ models? Check out the horizontal stabilizers - they're inverted!   

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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4766 posts, RR: 43
Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33831 times:

seems like Korean Air has ordered 5 additional B748is + 6 more B77Ws at the Paris Air Show

Link: https://twitter.com/intent/user?query=%23Pas13&screen_name=KoreanAir_KE&tw_i=347235508486811648&tw_p=embeddedtimeline&tw_w=344754756645969920


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5765 posts, RR: 11
Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 33516 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 147):
Ok, I know it's my OCD kicking in, but what moron assembled the B787-10 UA and SQ models? Check out the horizontal stabilizers - they're inverted!

Presumably the same moron that posted all of the WRONG SPECS to the Boeing "new airplane" website.
Well done, Boeing.
Their marketing department seems to match their customer service levels these days.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 33362 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 147):
they're inverted!

  

Haha, nicely spotted!  



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 33274 times:
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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 147):
Ok, I know it's my OCD kicking in, but what moron assembled the B787-10 UA and SQ models? Check out the horizontal stabilizers - they're inverted!

Let's hope they put the real things together a bit better!   



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 152, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 33439 times:

CIT has ordered 30 737 MAX:
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2714


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1874 posts, RR: 4
Reply 153, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 33250 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 121):
why would any aircraft manufacturer want to make their airplane look like Batman?

...for the same reason Boeing made 7E7 look like the flying fish?  



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 154, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 33180 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 152):
CIT has ordered 30 737 MAX:

Additionally, Boeing moved the 737 Max schedule forward by 3 months and first delivery is now set for Q3 2017 instead of the end of 2017.

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/347261557861908481

[Edited 2013-06-19 00:58:09]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 155, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32575 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 115):
Ryanair shareholders approve Boeing 737 deal:

And now confirmed by Boeing:

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/347277815428820994



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 156, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32463 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):

Nice model. Cant wait to see the actual plane in person.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 47):
Is it just me, or does the 787-10 look like a 757 from that angle?

It does indeed look like the 757 from that angle. Are we the only two people to think that??

KH



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 157, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32242 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 156):
It does indeed look like the 757 from that angle. Are we the only two people to think that??

It does, but with much nicer wings 


User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 31942 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 155):
And now confirmed by Boeing:

Nice one!!!
And there maybe another deal for the MAX before the end of the year.


User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31796 times:

Boeing confounding those who say they don't wait for PAS to announce orders, a bumber crop so far:

4x 737 MAX commitment (?) for Skymark, number unconfirmed - Boeing
10x 787-10X commitment for lessor GECAS - Boeing
2x firm 777-300ER (previously listed as unidentified) + 7 options for Qatar - Boeing
30x 787-10 + 3x 787-9 commitment for ALC - Boeing
20x 787-10 commitment for United (10 of which conv from previous order) - Boeing
30x 787-10 commitment for Singapore Airlines (previously announced in May, pending launch) - Boeing
12x 787-10 commitment for BA subject to shareholder approval - Boeing
5x 747-8i + 6x 777-300ER commitment for Korean Airlines - Boeing
30x 737 MAX-8 firm order for lessor CIT - Boeing
175x 737NG order firmed for Ryanair


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 160, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31659 times:

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 159):

Well, that's not bad  



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User currently onlineeclipz From France, joined Jun 2006, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31553 times:

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 159):
Boeing confounding those who say they don't wait for PAS to announce orders

Even if Boeing doesn't want to wait for airshows, customers might... plus, the 787-10 launch helps... !
And i guess they can't sell 10 planes while Airbus sells hundreds, that would be bad for PR... so they have to play a bit.

Anyway, great announcements for them so far.

[Edited 2013-06-19 02:51:27]

User currently offlineAlpage From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 31556 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 150):

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 147):
they're inverted!

  

Haha, nicely spotted!  

This is what concerns me...(no wonder the mess with the 787) ...if they do this with models..... (Little joke)  
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 147):


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 163, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 30933 times:

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 159):
a bumper crop so far

Boeing already have 890 firm orders for the 788 and 789. Assuming that all the orders already announced at Paris are 'firmed up,' that will take the total number of orders in hand above 1,000 - and, importantly, with 100-plus orders already expected for the 7810, all three versions look like selling in satisfactory numbers, no 'weak links.'

Thanks for the information, slinky09.



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User currently offlinecuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 164, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30246 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 155):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 115):
Ryanair shareholders approve Boeing 737 deal:

And now confirmed by Boeing:

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/s...20994

Any memorable comments from Mr O'Leary this time, or is he for once keeping low profile??   


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 165, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30235 times:

Quoting cuban8 (Reply 164):
Any memorable comments from Mr O'Leary this time, or is he for once keeping low profile??  

Yes, he said he could fit more people in the 737 by removing the cockpit.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 166, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 30119 times:

Oman Air buys 5 737-900ER NG aircraft:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2717




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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 167, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 29845 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 166):
Oman Air buys 5 737-900ER NG aircraft:

Previously booked by Boeing as UFO.



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9997 posts, RR: 96
Reply 168, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 29791 times:
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Quoting NAV20 (Reply 163):
with 100-plus orders already expected for the 7810, all three versions look like selling in satisfactory numbers, no 'weak links

100+ commitments for the 787-10 is indeed satisfactory.
But 100+ firm orders for the A350-1000 means it will probably never make it into production?
Antipodean logic I guess. I must learn to move on  

Rgds

[Edited 2013-06-19 04:42:06]

User currently offlineFarzan From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 169, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 29331 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 168):
Antipodean logic I guess. I must learn to move on

I had to look that one up in the dictonary. Good self ironic comment though.

Congrats to Boeing for a great launch. Let's see all those commitments being firmed up. Beautiful airplane.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 170, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 29358 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 168):

Maybe you should invest less emotions into dead things? Its just a dead piece of metal and some plastic  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11181 posts, RR: 33
Reply 171, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 29032 times:

Boeing and Travel Service Announce Commitment for Three 737 MAXs:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2718



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 172, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 29194 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 168):
Antipodean logic I guess. I must learn to move on

Fair enough, Astuteman, I guess I 'asked for it'............  

But 100-plus commitments at 'launch,' all from pretty solid customers, on top of around 400 for each of the other sub-types, looks pretty 'encouraging' on the face of it.

We'll 'stay in touch'.........  

For the record, I'm pretty sure that the 1000 will make it into production. On the face of it, Airbus has no option. Not at all sure about the 800 though, given the way the 788 and 789 are selling.

[Edited 2013-06-19 05:29:16]


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User currently offlineNeutronStar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 173, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 27518 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 172):
For the record, I'm pretty sure that the 1000 will make it into production. On the face of it, Airbus has no option. Not at all sure about the 800 though, given the way the 788 and 789 are selling.

I don't think the A358 has much life left in it. It seems the customers are moving to the A359, and some seems to have ordered the 788 instead of the A358.

And looks like Mike O'Leary decided to get some headlines:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...how-boycott-with-737-order-387444/

Interesting he says that on a per-seat basis, the 737 is more fuel efficient than the A320.

Comments, anyone?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30857 posts, RR: 86
Reply 174, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 27548 times:
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Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 173):
Interesting he says that on a per-seat basis, the 737 is more fuel efficient than the A320.

Comments, anyone?

If he said the A320 was more fuel efficient than the 737NG, his investors would be asking why he didn't order the A320.  


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 175, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 27117 times:

Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 173):

Interesting he says that on a per-seat basis, the 737 is more fuel efficient than the A320.

Comments, anyone?

Well it holds 9 more in his configuration so he is probably correct.


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9997 posts, RR: 96
Reply 176, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 26406 times:
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Quoting sweair (Reply 170):
Maybe you should invest less emotions into dead things? Its just a dead piece of metal and some plastic

..

And not bother subscribing to an airliner enthusiasts website I guess....  

Never expected to be told not to be passionate about planes on here.   

Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 173):
Comments, anyone?

Think Stitch and clydenairways pretty much covered it  

Rgds


User currently offlineMIflyer12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 177, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 26582 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 168):

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 163):
with 100-plus orders already expected for the 7810, all three versions look like selling in satisfactory numbers, no 'weak links

100+ commitments for the 787-10 is indeed satisfactory.
But 100+ firm orders for the A350-1000 means it will probably never make it into production?
Antipodean logic I guess. I must learn to move on  

Antipodean logic? More like selective filtering of fact. If Boeing has no more than 100 firm orders for the 787-10 ~two years after launch, I suspect that it, too, would be considered a commercial disappointment.


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