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Embraer To Launch E-Jet E2 Family  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10917 posts, RR: 32
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25003 times:

Embraer will launch its second-generation E-Jet at the Paris Air Show today. The E-Jet E2 family, as the airframer is dubbing it, will include three variants:

> 80-seat E-175
> 97-seat E-190
> 118-seat E-195

The E-170, will be dropped. The E-190 E2 will be the first to enter service, in the first half of 2018. The E-195 E2 will follow in 2019 and the E-175 E2 in 2020, says Embraer.



Story here:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...y-with-launch-of-new-e-jet-387169/

[Edited 2013-06-17 02:33:55]


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11617 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24893 times:

Finally - good to see this announced, although it was really the worst kept secret in aviation!


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26863 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24854 times:

Yes its great to see this. Hopefully it will attract alot of interest from both existing E Jet customers and new ones.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24755 times:

Are these aircraft, especially the 195-E2 longer then the earlier versions or will they just manage to squeeze in 3 more rows by slimmer seats, less pitch, removing the bulkhead aft, removing galleys?


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User currently onlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1847 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24737 times:
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It's interesting to see that the revised E95 now has 2 overwing exits! I hope the dispatch reliability will improve as the current Ejets have a habit of breaking down a lot.

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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24624 times:

How do they plan to cram 144 seats into the E195 fuselage? Surely that must be typo? Even at 118 seats, it is a tight fit. Or will the E195 be stretched?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10917 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24618 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 5):
Or will the E195 be stretched?

Yes, the airframe will be stretched.



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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24544 times:

So it will be a E190-300.... That makes sense.

User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24531 times:

I always thought a RE E175 would be favourite to replace KL's F70 fleet' but with EIS not earlier than 2020 this will probably be too late.


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User currently offlinePaolo92 From Italy, joined Oct 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 24451 times:

The E195 is already a headache for ground ops... The holds are a frustration for ground staff and it is a pain in the a$$ to balance... unlike other aircraft where an uneven distribution of pax onboard does not make a huge difference, the E195 simply makes loadplanners mad... I am one of them -.-"

I expect the stretch to be even more of a problem for ground ops....

[Edited 2013-06-17 03:24:29]


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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 24316 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 8):
I always thought a RE E175 would be favourite to replace KL's F70 fleet' but with EIS not earlier than 2020 this will probably be too late.

Well, KL and other operators do not have a choice - there is nothing else available if they do not want to buy turboprops. Makes perfect sense for Embraer to push those sub-types with which they compete with Bombardier.


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 24229 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 10):
Well, KL and other operators do not have a choice - there is nothing else available if they do not want to buy turboprops

How about MRJ? KL said they were taking a close look at them as possible F70 replacement.

[Edited 2013-06-17 03:47:04]


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User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23904 times:

The stretch of the E195 puts it right into CS100 territory, albeit with an EIS a few years later. This will get exciting...
P.S. I assume the E195E2 must be a small stretch, as even with slim seats, galley reconfiguration etc I don't see that 3 rows can be gained.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10917 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23854 times:

And they have a launch customer: SkyWest orders 100 E-175 E2 aircraft to launch 2nd generation E-Jet program.

http://twitter.com/ATWOnline/status/346594237078462464

Quoting r2rho (Reply 12):
The stretch of the E195 puts it right into CS100 territory

Correct!



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User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 23734 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 11):
How about MRJ? KL said they were taking a close look at them as possible F70 replacement.

Forgot about the MRJ - albeit for a reason: With all the delays of this programme, it remains to be seen how far away from the MRJ's EIS the E175E2's EIS will be in the end....


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2868 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23430 times:
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Parabens! Great news! I am happy for the amazing people inside Embraer and to Brazil, one of the world's most fabulous places!

It is great that Embraer has upgraded it's already great product (from a passenger POV) - from an RJ standpoint in general, they are FAR more comfortable. In fact once I caught a United E170 from ORD to White Plains (I often fly NYC to LGA - which was always on an old 737, A320 and occasional 757) and I found the E170 to be equally wonderful if not more. I was in Explus, but it was the way the 170 felt in flight, it's newness etc was joyful.

How long before we see the last E145 and CRJ's go? United out of EWR has 41,000 E145's coming and going every day. "Dear God, please get the new United E175's to Newark ASAP."



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User currently offlineMIflyer12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23352 times:

Embraer is going to need to keep the MTOW of the E2-175 under 86,000 pounds, and economics to be attractive at 76 seats, or leave DL/UA/AA to seek scope relief from mainline pilots - again.

http://airinsight.com/2013/05/03/sco...-new-regional-jets-a-coming-storm/


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23244 times:

So is there a range increase and fuel decrease? what is the difference? I need to see some numbers...


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10917 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 22803 times:

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 14):
Forgot about the MRJ

Today Mitsubishi said FAL start will begin within 2 months and it should fly at the end of the year.

http://twitter.com/tohmavis/status/346549031113203712

  



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7239 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 22582 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
And they have a launch customer: SkyWest orders 100 E-175 E2 aircraft to launch 2nd generation E-Jet program.

So Skywest is pretty much going to be getting rid of all CRJs in favor of the MRJ and the E2.....interesting to see the route pairings they end up with after this overhaul.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 18):
Today Mitsubishi said FAL start will begin within 2 months and it should fly at the end of the year.

This was pretty much the common buzz around here in Japanland for the last few months. Remember the thread I began about the MRJ a while ago? haha



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21076 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 18):

Today Mitsubishi said FAL start will begin within 2 months and it should fly at the end of the year.

Thanks for the update. The program has had its setbacks and I'm sure will face many more challenges, but they'll get there. I think lots of airlines are on the fence regarding both C-Series and MRJ, and even more about real performance data and reliability once the GTF is in service.

But Embraer already has 365 orders and options for their E2 series at launch, which is mighty impressive!    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ith-deals-for-365-aircraft-387226/



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12907 posts, RR: 100
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19474 times:
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Does anyone know any details of the 'new wing?' Is it an extension? CFRP (unlikely I know, but I thought I'd ask)? Just wing tip treatments? Did they stick with a common wing? (Images hint otherwise, but I'm not sure with the E-175-E2.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...or-re-engined-e-jet-family-372681/


Skywest and ILFC... Nice launch customer base for day #1.  http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...-show-embraer-idUSWEB006RY20130617

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 18):
Today Mitsubishi said FAL start will begin within 2 months and it should fly at the end of the year.

Good to hear. And the winner is Pratt!   

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User currently offlineHNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19345 times:

Interesting, the E-195 E2 will be entering service around the time HA will probably be looking for a 717 replacement.   

User currently onlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3919 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 19105 times:

I see the E195 E2 HD variant aimed very much at easyJet and to a lesser extent the hybrid European carriers like airBerlin, new germanWings, etc, I think it would be a massive boost for the programme to secure easyJet and really take the wind out of the C Series sails.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 19016 times:

Doesn't Boeing have a patent on raked wingtips? And I thought that they were intended for long-range flights, and did not offer much benefit over standard wingtip devices on shorter stages.

Either way, looks interesting, and I certainly hope these will be replacing CR2s/CR7s by the end of the decade...


25 EddieDude : And it is also inching closer to the A319 and 737. Congrats to SkyWest and Embraer! This is fantastic news! How will Embraer formally designate them?
26 golfradio : I don't mean to disparage the E2 program or rain on the parade, but I have a genuine question. Why would an airline commit for 100 firm orders for typ
27 YTZ : I would say that HA might be better off with the 319NEO for commonality. Heck, maybe even upsize to the 320NEO and get some increased capacity on int
28 lightsaber : HA will naturally bid off the E2 vs. CS100/CS300. With the A321NEO doing the run to the mainland, I could see HA buying a dedicated short haul aircra
29 Alias1024 : Assuming you are talking about SkyWest, ignoring commonality with their E175 order from a couple weeks ago, there's a issue with the CSeries that mak
30 golfradio : Thanks. Scope clauses ... now I get it, in the context of Skywest. I still wonder about the ILFC order for the 25 E190 + 25 E195, though it's just an
31 Post contains images PlymSpotter : The span is larger. Below is a very quick graphic I knocked up using a 3D E190 model I had to hand - it's overlayed onto the E2-195 model so terribly
32 Post contains images davs5032 : Congrats to Embraer! A great plane gets even better... One thing I'm curious is how they're gonna fit 132 standard config Y seats on this thing. I'd l
33 Post contains links planemaker : No detail specs in the press release via Rueters
34 lightsaber : E2's and C-series will have *very* related engines. In effect, E2 development will pay for and test a C-series PIP. They will each benefit from 'econ
35 queb : 4 months to complete final assembly and first flight ? The first flight will be in 2014, at best. I can't see E-jet E2 with the same wing. The first
36 planemaker : As per Rueters link above... "New aerodynamically advanced, high-aspect ratio, distinctively shaped wings.
37 Post contains images speedbird2263 : Scope. I believe Skywest is banking on some relaxation of scope by DL/ UA/ AA, and whatever they are counting I'm sure still wouldn't be enough to al
38 Post contains links and images lightsaber : I found a bit more on the E2: In a typical single-class layout, the E175-E2 was extended by one seat row, compared to the current generation E175, and
39 tharanga : While the E2 family sounds cool from a branding perspective, does anybody else think that E190-E2 is an awkward name?
40 Post contains links and images Devilfish : They could drop the first 'E' without losing its identity...190E2...rolls smoothly off the tongue. But others would immediately associate it with MB.
41 TSS : Do the E195s tend to be nose-heavy or tail-heavy with an uneven passenger load? Might adding the bulk of the fuselage stretch either ahead of or behi
42 BlueSky1976 : I think I have read a few months ago either in FG or AW that Boeing will help Embraer with development of the E-Jet update. Surely, raked wing tips c
43 JAAlbert : Are these planes suitable as private business jets?
44 sweair : Raked tips eat gate space, best wingtip device for cruise and longer routes. The P8 has them on the 737 wing even, not gate constrained.
45 Paolo92 : The E195 is very tail heavy, E190 not so much, but they all have a very restricted range of balance. Basically, if the airplane is full (of pax) you
46 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Perhaps they should have gone with E = mb² Dan
47 Post contains images Devilfish : Will it fly at the speed of light as a result? . I guess Embraer would be very pleased already if it just flew off the assembly line as fast as they
48 Post contains images queb : All infos & specs about E2 here: E175-E2: Dimensions (Length +0,6 m): E190-E2 Dimensions (Length unchanged): E195-E2 Dimensions (Length +2,8m): En
49 Aviaponcho : SO E190G2 = + 5450 kg OEW on a 27820 kg bird = +20 % ? Seems huge !
50 Post contains links vfw614 : The Embraer Lineage 1000 is an Embraer 190 variant: http://www.embraerexecutivejets.com/...s/lineage-1000/Pages/overview.aspx It is a slow seller, th
51 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Maybe they should come up with a Lineage 800 based on the 175E2? Takeoff perfomance and range could improve from the standard version's 2,240m TOFL f
52 JoeCanuck : I think Emb did the right thing. They have a fine plane and you don't go all new unless you have to. Like Boeing and Airbus, their current offering ju
53 queb : M 0.82 max speed is not enough for a business jet of this size (and price), another advantage of Global and G5/G6 bizjets. In addtion, E175 can't cru
54 ODwyerPW : The 195-E2 is a 10' stretch over the 195. It looks like more of it was put fore of the wing. Perhaps that will cure some of the weight distribution is
55 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Guess the hundreds of ACJ and BBJ users missed that memo..... http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamilies/corporate/acj-family/acj319/ http://businessairc
56 queb : hundreds ??? E175E2 BJ list price will be higher, interior completion is more expensive than green frame. ACJ & BBJ are also slow sellers. there
57 vfw614 : Wonder if they will make the E175E2 LCY capable. At the moment, only the E170 and E190 can operate into LCY, but with the E170 gone, the only model th
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