nomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 566 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4750 times:
Not sure if this is reliable, but people on this forum know fact from fiction (for the most part). On my way back to DFW this afternoon from ORD (damn DFW weather, again) there was cockpit talk about EK coming to ORD with a 380 in March, after the new configuration and LH 748 "test flights" next month to be the first "Whale in Chicago." I highly doubt this as think LH, KE, or even BA woiuld be the launch 380 to ORD. But this is EK,and EK does what EK does.
jcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 555 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3829 times:
Before EK brings in the 380, let them announce service first. They did file for the last week of W13 with a 773.
LH is planning a taxi route proving run next month and then planning another 2 in August to see if it works or not for the 748. The FAA is focusing on this first. LH has moved a mountain to get the FAA to even reconsider this after their staunch no. At T5, M7, M11 and M12 are the 3 gates able to handle it.
As for the A380, there's no choice, it arrives and departs from T5 no matter who will operate. There's one gate currently that it could park at. There are diagrams showing where the stop goes but there's no reason now to paint the stop mark. In the future there plans to reconfigure a specific gate to add a 2nd upper level bridge. It's my understanding the City would like it completed around the time 10/28C is opened but I think that's being overly optimistic.
Quoting gemuser (Reply 5): Is there any reason that EK can't go with remote gates and airstair boarding at ORD?
There's no bussing operations at ORD for Intl. flights, the remote stands are used to park pulling aircraft or RON's. Also, USDA doesn't have the staff to drive out and inspect live flights even if we could.
thekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3512 times:
If EK comes a bloodbath may ensue. QR,TK, EY, RJ, EK and AI will all be competing( and with EU carriers) to south/southwest asia, and africa(exception of AI) Will they all be able to co exist peacfully at ORD, or will someone have to bow out? Can each carrier exploit their own nitche or will they begin to canabalize each other? Only time will tell.
As far as the A380, ORD may see a few over the years but will never be a A380 hub due to its geography and terminal layout. Any A380 service will be a bonus to a already impressive array of INTL widebody service to ORD.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13648 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3379 times:
EK start with an A380? From where? Despite their high delivery rates, the A380s seem to be allocated for 2013. If we're talking the end of EK's 2013-2014 calendar year, then I would understand. But I agree with prior posters than EK will start with a 777.
Quoting Miami (Reply 6):
Of what I've heard. EK will launch BOS and MIA before Chicago and apparently this year, but Chicago is on the radar for EK.
In particular, MIA fills a hole in EK's network nicely.
Quoting thekennady (Reply 8): If EK comes a bloodbath may ensue. QR,TK, EY, RJ, EK and AI will all be competing( and with EU carriers) to south/southwest asia, and africa(exception of AI) Will they all be able to co exist peacfully at ORD, or will someone have to bow out? Can each carrier exploit their own nitche or will they begin to canabalize each other?
EK will join. Since EK is very 'numbers run,' their costs are low. Thus, in that competition, they will not be the first to bow out. TK is a relatively short flight, so they'll have a cost advantage. In some ways, it will depend on the partnersl
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jayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1060 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3267 times:
Quoting nomorerjs (Thread starter): Not sure if this is reliable, but people on this forum know fact from fiction (for the most part). On my way back to DFW this afternoon from ORD (damn DFW weather, again) there was cockpit talk about EK coming to ORD with a 380 in March, after the new configuration and LH 748 "test flights" next month to be the first "Whale in Chicago.
First question is what airline were you flying on from ORD-DFW and could it just be idle chatter? Because as it has been pointed out by many others ORD is not an A380 compatible airport we haven't even gotten the 748i yet even though several test are scheduled to take place we still have to wait and see what becomes of those test. In my opinion the only gate at T5 that could even possible hold the A380 is M19, I would say M11 because the building is so far back from the airplane but the wing span of the A380 would mean closing M10 and M12 (which is British Airways gate during the afternoon) and M12's lead-in line can not be moved over due to the fact in between M12 and M13 is the entrance and exit to/from the baggage sorter. Another reason why I don't believe the A380 is coming to ORD any time in the near future is because the one time the A380 came here the FAA had to close down certain taxi ways and the City of Chicago had to take down light poles because the wing span on the aircraft is to much for ORD to handle with all the other air traffic we see at this airport. EK can come to ORD but it won't be with an A380 aircraft.
VTORD From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3032 times:
Quoting thekennady (Reply 8): If EK comes a bloodbath may ensue. QR,TK, EY, RJ, EK and AI will all be competing( and with EU carriers) to south/southwest asia, and africa(exception of AI) Will they all be able to co exist peacfully at ORD, or will someone have to bow out? Can each carrier exploit their own nitche or will they begin to canabalize each other? Only time will tell.
Curious how the EK-EY-AI game will play, particularly if the EY-9W deal gets the nod. 9W is talking of connecting Tier 2 cities to AUH so lots of Indians (EY is very popular amongst ORD Indians) are looking at 1 stop flights via AUH, - something that AI has been able to provide via DEL.
AI might have to up their game big time to survive the blood bath. Though EK is not exactly cheap....the few times I have tried to fly them (simply to fly the A380) I never could justify spending that much more......
AI is government subsidized and has a longer track record at ORD, Nonstop flights from north america to India are rare, so i hope AI holds thier own. On the other hand, I wonder who EK will work with at ORD. UA would be a good move as AA already feeds the other three Middle east carriers, RJ, EY, QR. Ive seen UA bookings avalible with AI and of course TK is in star with UA.
surfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2923 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2847 times:
Now that EK has added Tokyo services, Chicago is the only Alpha+ world city missing from their route map. With the exceptions of Brussels and Mexico City, EK even offers service to every Alpha world city. Chicago is also one of the most populous metropolitan areas in the entire world without EK service. Moreover, it is a popular destination for foreign tourists, and a massive aviation hub/gateway to the entire United States market. For these reasons, it is only a matter of time before EK finally starts service to ORD.
That said, there is absolutely no way they will serve ORD with the A380 off the bat. ORD would start with the 777 and prove itself, as North American stations JFK, LAX, and YYZ did, before getting any regularly scheduled A380 service. The U.S. certainly doesn't have a stellar track record when it comes to EK: JFK was their first A380 market amid much fanfare, only to get downgauged back to the 777 within a year; IAH and LAX both gained second daily frequencies only to have them cut 1 (IAH) or 2 (LAX) years thereafter. Never mind the failure of JFK-HAM, in spite of EK's success with numerous fifth freedom routes throughout the eastern hemisphere. SEA is rumored to be doing quite poorly. Past and present tribulations aside, EK seems very committed to U.S. upgauges and expansion, and although the strongest rumors for new U.S. EK service specifically mention BOS and MIA, I'm sure ORD service is not far off. ORD may have quite a bit of competition, but EK seems to be doing better with the more competitive U.S. markets (i.e. IAH, JFK, LAX) with lots of O&D to the Middle East and points beyond as oppose to less competitive niche ones like SEA.
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hohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2685 times:
Chicago is indeed an important business city, but it not a big tourist attraction for Americans or Foreigners alike. May be foreign tourists use Chicago as a gateway to enter US as it is a hub for American, United and Southwest.
ORD will indeed be a bloodbath, inspite of the large population Chicago probably does not have enough traffic to support all these carriers. Neither UA nor AA will provide feeds unless EK coughs up the regular interline fare for connections at Chicago.
I think EK should expand to ATL, as this city has relatively no competition from Middle East carriers, and they can easily take on DL.
liftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 320 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2605 times:
What needs to be remembered is most Arab travelers will be looking for the cheapest fare, strictly. As of now, only a few carriers offer single connections into AMM (for example):
RJ - Non-stop - ~$1900
OS - VIE - ~$1500
QR - DOH - ~$1750
EY - AUH - ~$2000
BA - LHR - ~$2400
TK - IST - ~$2000
AZ - FCO - ~$1700
Given RJ receives government funded refugee fares from AMM, I don't think there is much to be worried about for RJ. Although I know RJ has been sending out loads about 60% back to AMM, which must be incredibly hard to maintain with the A342 being SOOO fuel efficient.
If EK were to launch ORD, they would need an incredibly competitive fare, considering some Euro carriers can get PAX to their destination faster and cheaper, like OS is doing now. Personally, I think EK could very well deliver a fare somewhere near $1600 and push RJ out and if ever upgauged to A380, TK.
jayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1060 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
Quoting liftsifter (Reply 15): Personally, I think EK could very well deliver a fare somewhere near $1600 and push RJ out and if ever upgauged to A380, TK.
RJ has a very loyal following here in Chicago and they have been flying into ORD for years now and although they do not fly to AMM daily year around they still come in and go out full every time the flight operates. Even with all the new entrants into the Chicago to Middle East market RJ is still going strong I doubt EK will force them out. If EK does in fact start service to ORD they will have to slug it out with QR, EY and to some extent TK. However both EY and TK have a dedicated following and an established presence as well so it will be interesting to see what happens. Things are already interesting when is comes to QR flight to DOH I know the flight and the airline is still building their presence here in Chicago but so far they have struggled to fill their aircraft which probably was a direct result of the flight not operating daily but it soon will be a daily flight if it isn't already. If EK does come to ORD it will be good news for passengers but bad news for Middle East airlines reason being yields will suffer because they all are targeting the same passenger base (people traveling to the Middle East, India or Africa) and the current airlines have that base covered. So when it comes to making a choice on who to fly it will come down to price because from what I understand EK, QR, EY, and TK all have great on-board service and their flight attendants are friendly. So its not like passengers are choosing between a crappy airline and a excellent airline they all are excellent so then it comes down to price and someone is going to have to lower their price and once that happens the fare wars will begin and yields will surely suffer.
Wishful thinking about ATL, if it were that lucrative of a market EK would already be there. Sure EKs onboard product is superior to DL, But the amount of connections DL can generate from ATL cant be matched by EK at DXB. Why would EK go up againt DL for slim pickings from ATL, when DL already supports the DXB route mainly by connections in ATL?
LAX will be before IAH, its already announched. With the 2nd daily from IAH moved up to DFW, and with competition from QR and TK from IAH, i dont know if the A380 will come anytime soon. Also what about timings? IAH only has one gate that can handle a A380 so there may be some issues with its avalibility. For now U have LH daily with the A380 to keep you satisfied.
Yes, Chicago is not a huge leisure market, but it is a huge business and VFR market. The city is very diverse and demand to see family and friends in Chicago is quite large. Not to mention during the warmer months Chicago has alot to offer a would be tourist, but for outsiders its not the first talked about place to visit in the US unless its for business or VFR.
Every day operators at T5 at ORD receive a print out from the city of Chicago of all the arrivals into T5 on this print out is all the important information like gate arrival total number of seat available and the actual number of passengers on the plane. This is printed out everyday an the information is accurate for all aircraft that are currently in the air inbound to ORD. Every day T5 operators including UA recieves this information and I have yet to see QR post the numbers you claim they are posting for a in bound flight to ORD. The rest of your numbers are close to the daily average of each of these airlines but as far as I know you QR numbers do not match up to the numbers provided to us by the city.
Loads are looking good, by nature as ORD adds flights, connection oportunities at ORD will rise as well, the flights exist so people looking to travel to those regions will have more options. With all the added INTL service, i would like to see ORDs numbers so far for INTL passengers, hopefully it can jump into the top 4 again.