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Boeing Launches The 787-10 Dreamliner  
User currently offlinemoderators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 514 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 50583 times:
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As announced at Le Bourget.

Boeing today announced they have officially launched the 787-10 Dreamliner, the third variant of the 787 after the -8 and -9.

They have received a total of 102 commitments from five customers as follows;

30 from Air Lease Corporation
10 from GECAS
12 from IAG / BA subject to shareholder approval
30 from Singapore Airlines
20 from United

Final assembly and flight testing are set to begin in 2017 with the first delivery targeted for 2018.

Be interesting to see which other carriers order it and whether we will see any conversions from existing models.

Source, The Boeing Company

As the model has officially been launched this thread is for the discussion of the launch without the speculation of the pre launch thread which can be found here Boeing 787-10 Launch Imminent (by KarelXWB Jun 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13215 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 50739 times:

And there is the slide again:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNBsIpZCEAA3eSG.jpg:large



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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 50627 times:

So no surprise really here ....
6700-7000 Nm depending on the PAX Load

Good to see the good old 3 classes layout (61 in for first, 39 in for biz, 31-32 in for econ)
Is the IFE included as standard (it is worth 1-3 t extra weight...)

Semi-levered gear needed if i recall yesterday twitt


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 50556 times:

The spec sheet given by Karel (pls repost) is strange,, I think someone at the B marketing department is in trouble (210 to 250 pax????, 57m, 228t and so on, this is the 788 spec !!!!!)

[Edited 2013-06-18 02:15:04]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13215 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 50461 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 3):
The spec sheet given by Karel (pls repost) is strange

Seems like their developers were in a hurry to launch the website. Let's wait a bit longer until they have fixed the spec sheet.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 50306 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 3):
The spec sheet given by Karel (pls repost) is strange,, I think someone at the B marketing department is in trouble (210 to 250 pax????)

Yes, and that is not all. Words are cut off. And two of the sample city pairs is NYC-HKG at 7,014nm (range is 7k?) and 'Tokya'-Casablanca. I am willing to wager it will not be used on either route. Someone really should get fired for this junk.

I like the following characterization:
787-8 for new routes
787-9 for long routes
787-10 for high density routes.

tortugamon

[Edited 2013-06-18 02:21:54]

User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 50224 times:

Any hope for an LH order later on? This aircraft has what they wanted, capacity over range. I wonder if SK is looking at it as well.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 50137 times:

Quoting moderators (Thread starter):
30 from Air Lease Corporation
10 from GECAS

Any ideas where those birds might end up?



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User currently offlineBreninTW From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49980 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 7):
Quoting moderators (Thread starter):
10 from GECAS

Any ideas where those birds might end up?

BR anyone?



I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49998 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 3):
pls repost

Some of the pictures on the new site are good and I like the ad campaign 'perfect 10'. Too bad they tripped a little. For those that haven't found it its all here: Lets hope they fix it quickly.

http://www.newairplane.com/787/787-10_announcement/

tortugamon


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49909 times:

Well, some were thinking British Airways would order 18, versus the 12 that they actually ordered. Perhaps 6 for British then?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13215 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49780 times:

Quoting Prost (Reply 10):
Well, some were thinking British Airways would order 18, versus the 12 that they actually ordered. Perhaps 6 for British then?

The thing is, those 18 units are intended as 744 replacements. I would be surprised if they order 12 787-10 + 6 787-9 aircraft for this purpose, maybe the remaining 6 will be 787-10 options.

[Edited 2013-06-18 02:35:09]


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User currently offlinemilestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49618 times:

Wow, what % more efficient is the 787-10 going to be than the 744? That is a huge leap!

User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49562 times:

Sorry, I meant to say that perhaps 6 of the 787-10 that leasing companies ordered are destined for British Airways, thus bringing their fleet total to 18.

User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49501 times:

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 12):

35% was posted somewhere, quite a bit, don't know if you can compare a 744 to a 787-10 though, maybe at 320 seats?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13215 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49452 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 14):
don't know if you can compare a 744 to a 787-10 though

Some BA 744 aircraft only have about 290 seats.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49379 times:

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 12):
Wow, what % more efficient is the 787-10 going to be than the 744?

35% has been speculated. BA has a bunch of 299 seat 744s.

tortugamon


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 49342 times:

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 12):
Wow, what % more efficient is the 787-10 going to be than the 744? That is a huge leap!

The will consume 40 kg/knm/m2 vs. 64 for the 744, I get this to be 37% more fuel efficient, I would say it is as close to a no brainer as you get   .

[Edited 2013-06-18 02:50:44]


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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 49114 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 17):

I guess the 787-10 will be a very popular TATL shuttle aircraft, it´s really perfect for this role.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 48921 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 18):
I guess the 787-10 will be a very popular TATL shuttle aircraft, it´s really perfect for this role.

I am surprised to only see 12 orders.

UA's purchase of 20 is a reasonable size order but I am surprised they decided to convert 10 of their other 787 orders. IMO they need more aircraft in this 300 seat area than the 60 they have to replace the 150 frames that they have on hand.

tortugamon


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 48826 times:

A couple heavy quotes:

“The 787-10 will be the most efficient jetliner in history,” Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Ray Conner said at the launch event in Paris. “The 787-10 is 25% more efficient than airplanes of its size today and more than 10% better than anything being offered by the competition for the future.”
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/awx_06_18_2013_p0-589320.xml&p=1

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13215 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 48811 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 20):
A couple heavy quotes:

The usual marketing talk  



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 48571 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):

I hear you. Doesn't his quote imply that the A359 would only be 15% more efficient than the A330. That does not sound right.

Once BA's additional six 787s are added to SuH's three -9s doesn't that take orders to 991. Just nine more to go! Lock up the 787-9 order for QR!

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13215 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 48350 times:

About the landing gear:

Quote:
In contrast with the internal design changes and wing clean-up required for the 787-9, the latest variant demands minor only tweaks involving two fuselage plugs and a 777-300ER-style, semi-levered landing gear to avoid tailstrikes on rotation.


http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...787-10-with-five-customers-387321/



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 48264 times:

Finally, the range is quite important, so Boeing will not have the same problem as the 764.


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25 PM : Engines? We know that the SQ (30) and BA (12) planes will have RR Trent 1000s. We know that the GECAS planes (10) will have GEnxs. The (30) for ALC wi
26 someone83 : Yes, but a 787-10 in a typical BA config wouldn't have 290 seats despite Boeing market it as a >300 seat aircraft
27 VH-BZF : I think that Qantas given their previous comments (Alan Joyce) about wanting the B787-10 will definitely be a customer for this variant. It will be pe
28 sweair : Does it have the range for Qantas?
29 kaitak : It's very early days yet; I don't know when exactly the 7810 is due to enter service (say 2018?), which is a good long way down the road and we will
30 Post contains links flood : Unfortunately not... "With this order and the six Dreamliners currently operated by the airline, United has ordered 65 GEnx-1B-powered 787s, making U
31 BlueSky1976 : Would anyone point me in a direction where I could download one of those amazing 787-10 images from newairplane.com site in high resolution, please? I
32 Post contains images Aither : If the market is routes like "tokya to Casablanca" I think Airbus should not be worried SIN-LHR ? HKG-JFK ? this is not serious
33 sunrisevalley : The quote from Hazy on MTOW is dubious. The value ascribed to him is that of the 789. PIANO-X suggests to me that it will need close to 254t to make t
34 sweair : It can do LHR-LAX at MTOW easy, how long routes does BA have? As I understand TALT is still their bread and butter?
35 Post contains links gemuser : Yes. All of Asia, (at least as far west as Pakistan) is within range, all the Pacific Islands, even South Africa & Chile & Argentina (ignorin
36 parapente : Re Reply 33. Yup thats' the million dollar question "about" 7,000 Nm is too vague (although I appreciate that perhaps they have to be). A new semi-lev
37 sweair : Seeing how the A333 kept growing the MTOW maybe the 787-10 will too with time, ending its life above 7500nm?
38 RayChuang : My guess is that the 787-10 is aimed for one market: replacing the A330-300 on most transatlantic and transpacific routes, but with way lower CASM. Th
39 lutfi : Perfect for CX to replace A330 regionally in 10 years time
40 Vhqpa : I'm not too sure The difference is when launched the A330 was intended to be a high density regional airliner primarily aimed at Asian carriers while
41 Post contains images EPA001 : Among other things. This will be a very versatile aircraft. And she looks good in the process too. . Just marketing talk of course. She will lose big
42 Flighty : Seems like more of an A330 competitor, or even -- the second coming of the 787-3. It has a good range, but like 767, it may be used for short-range a
43 nomadd22 : Sure. Other than 30% more cabin area and twice the range.
44 sunrisevalley : I can't agree with that . MZFW for both are within a tonne or two of each other; M^2 in floor area and M^3 in cargo space are pretty similar. It will
45 Flighty : Indeed. The 787-3 failed to get orders for its mission. It needed big changes. The range is impressive - but well below the 772. IMO we are looking a
46 DTWPurserBoy : I could see DL with a mix of -9's and -10X's. The 9 has awesome range and a good passenger load. Let's see if DL takes the bait and jumps. Richard And
47 Miami : I wonder if EK will purchase the 787-10x, now knowing it can carry 300-330 pax.
48 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here you go: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...iner-stretch-may-be-too-small.html
49 jayunited : What the big rush United still has time and according to some articles UA is looking at the A351 and may people on A.netters including myself would l
50 fun2fly : Guess not, but you now have some backup to the probability that EK will place a 50-100 plane order for the 777-8x and 777-9x.
51 Post contains images planesntrains : Well, and 65 787's and the rumored 35 A350's are a HUGE 100 airframe commitment as it is. I remember some years back reading the book "Airframe" (I t
52 Miami : Thank you for the link!
53 seabosdca : Don't forget that the range is much closer to A330-200 range than A330-300 range (and far, far greater than 767-400ER range). This aircraft will do ju
54 Miami : A more appropriate question would be: Would AA order the 787-10x. And maybe even the 777-8x, 777-9x..? That's a question a lot of people would like to
55 Post contains images Stitch : The key will be, however, how much of the A350-900's mission she can do and how much more efficiently can she do them? Even at 250t MTOW, the A330-30
56 RDH3E : That is an obscenely low number of seats! UA's config of F/J/E+/Y still manages 374! The only 300+seat aircraft United currently operates are the 744
57 Post contains images Stitch : BA flies a very premium-heavy configuration with large First and Business Class cabins. You want "obscenely low" seat counts - Korean Air puts only 4
58 TheRedBaron : It doesnt remove the market because its years away, and you have to take into account that the A330 is cheaper nad making money right now. In time we
59 frigatebird : Well, TC says EK will have look at it, so it's not completely out of the running. But another order or conversion to the A350-1000 is more likely. Ve
60 YTZ : Only an American (and maybe a Canadian) used to cramped long-haul would suggest that. Premium carriers tend to have substantially lower density layou
61 Atlflyer : Interesting enough Boeing's 300-330 seat 787-10 has a sample configuration of 350: First (Today's Business) @ 61: 18 Business (Today's PE): 58 Economy
62 b777erj145 : Did any of the mentioned airlines converted their 787-8/9 order to -10?
63 Stitch : United converted ten. The remainder look to be all new orders.[Edited 2013-06-18 09:58:45]
64 sunnyflyer : All this Hype from Boeing is lovely but I'm waiting for a flyable - 9, hope it Shows up faster than the - 8
65 b777erj145 : One more question Singapore is to launch 787-10 right or it has changed? My memory is giving hard time in this exciting news. Thanks. Congrats to Boei
66 bmacleod : Wonder if AC will be placing options on the 787-10?
67 Post contains images astuteman : The only observation I'd offer is that the cost and weight delta between a 777-200ER and an A330-300 is huge - 300 tonnes vs 233 tonnes - the 777 is
68 art : If the 787-1000 is 37% more fuel efficient than the 744, how many % more fuel efficient than the A388 is it? I do not recall reading anywhere that th
69 jumpjets : Which is almost exactly the same number as a BA 773ER - so if a 787-10 can replace a 744 it could also replace a 773. So I wonder what that says abou
70 Stitch : BA's comments have been very positive ("we wish we'd ordered them earlier").
71 Post contains images ghifty : Just realized that 787 - 10 = 777. Completely unintentional, probably, but just funny to point out! If they're looking for fleet replacements and/or g
72 delimit : DL doesn't prefer to purchase used; they prefer to purchase proven. They've bought all their 777s new. The used thing is entirely situational.
73 sunrisevalley : Quoting Clark.....We’ll certainly study the 787-10, but it could be a tad small for us,” Clark said in Paris, where he’s attending the world’
74 ghifty : Minimise CapEx is what I was trying to say. If they need to spend more, it has to be justified.
75 Post contains images flyabr : Concerning Delta...one would think the dreamliner range of 8-9-10 would almost perfectly cover replacement of the 763, 764, A332, A333 and even 77E. I
76 flightsimer : Singapore, United, British, Gecas and ALC are all the launch customers. The three airlines will all probably be the first operators, each for their r
77 Stitch : This comment somewhat puzzles me in that NW ordered the plane in May 2005 when the list price was $61 million cheaper. I can only assume that by defe
78 tortugamon : I agree. They do not need to do it all at once and the options will have the time slots that they will need come 2018-2020 when their fleet age is ge
79 ferpe : You have the info in Karels picture, B says you get 7000nm with 300 pax + bags, now add the seats for another 23 and their pax + bags weight (about 1
80 Post contains images KarelXWB : Wait, wut, you add more weight and the range goes up?
81 delimit : That I agree with, and I also agree that RA's comment was a fine example of negotiating through the press. That, or they want a lot more of them than
82 817Dreamliiner : I think he meant 6700nm lol.
83 Post contains images Flighty : Indeed. It is an amazingly capabable mid-hauler Airlines will need something more capable than it somewhere in their fleets. At least, most prospecti
84 ORDFan : Am I the only one that's surpised that the MTOW for the 787-10 is the same as for the 787-9? How can this be a good thing, given the operating empty w
85 Stitch : It appears that the 787-9's MTOW is already near the limit of what the landing gear is designed to handle so that limits the 787-10's MTOW.
86 morrisond : Or they have continued to find more weight savings and with another 3-4 years of development they are confident they can find more to make a 7,000NM A
87 waly777 : It's been assumed that the MTOW of the -10 was going to be the same as the -9 as Stich pointed out. The same MTOW is the reason why the -10 has consi
88 Post contains images ORDFan : I thought I remembered a few years ago, when the -10 was on the drawing board, that there were early indications/discussion that the -10 would have a
89 tortugamon : I suspect many of them will, you're right. Maybe it is semantics: I see mid-haul as between 3-6 hour flights. I do not see that as being 781 territor
90 frmrCapCadet : In a way the 78-10 could be the new 757, updated bigger and a fair amount more range.
91 waly777 : Oh yea I remember that as well. If I remember correctly, aspire aviation was the source of that rumour. I guess the airlines preferred the original c
92 RayChuang : I think the 787-10 is to the 787 line what the 767-400ER is to the 767 line: more pax/cargo capacity, but with some sacrifice in range. the 787-10 may
93 ghifty : Thankfully it already has more customers and more orders!
94 Atlflyer : Does anyone know how Boeing comes up with the 323 seat number? Am I missing something? The sample configuration is way more seats than this....
95 Post contains links tortugamon : Could be. Especially if an airline does not have an A321 and their MAX/NEO does not have enough legs. Boeing did their share to feed the rumor as wel
96 iMissPiedmont : Interesting that they stuck with the-10, it seems to me a bit awkward to say 787-1022 or 787-1033, etc.
97 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : 787 -8 -9 -10 777 -8x -9x A350 -900 -1000 Are customers going to be spoilt for choice?
98 brons2 : Still leaves room for a 787-10 IGW/ER later on with a 6 wheel bogie.
99 Stitch : I believe that Boeing no longer officially uses customer codes with the 787 family.
100 Post contains links mercure1 : yes indeed, for "Clark's mission", the 787-10 will beat it by ~ 800nm. 10hr missions are about what it will do w/ a 50t load. Not too shabby. http://
101 Post contains images PM : Ah. Oh well. That was a short-lived dream! Thanks for the link.
102 Post contains images ferpe : I think the press and we have jointly tried to make a hen out of a feather, B have appearantly been consistent and focused all the time. B leaked tha
103 aryonoco : I think this aircraft will be very popular, way more popular than the launch order book shows. This will be one of the main carriers TATL and intra-As
104 Post contains images columba : Me, too, most likely it will become the most popular model of the 787 at some point. Still hoping for LHto order the -10X, like it much better than t
105 sweair : LH and SK would two possible -10 customers, both have shown interest in this model above the other 787 models. Maybe SK wont need anymore range than i
106 Post contains links and images tortugamon : I did not help by attributing it to Boeing from flight global article instead of GN from AW editorializing . It does appear that is what is going on.
107 PHX787 : Where will these lease orders end up?
108 KarelXWB : Jackpot. As A330-300 replacement, the seat count in the real world will be around today's A330s.
109 trent1000 : So UA will have to maintain their 744s for another 5 years or so. This is not a problem per se, but means extra fuel costs until they can burn less wi
110 aerorobnz : This is gonna be in the fleet for NZ I reckon. 763/77E/77W/744 replaced by one 789/78X fleet = huge savings and hopefully a standardised product final
111 jupiter2 : You do realise that KE ordered 5 x 748i yesterday ? This aircraft I believe will be a sensation for it's operators, the economics look to be sensatio
112 VV701 : Talk of BA replacing their 77Ws with the 787-10 seems a little premature when BA's oldest 77W is not yet four years old and when BA will take delivery
113 Post contains links Aviaponcho : And the 787-8 with is 7620 to 8200 Nm is indeed in the same ballpark as A330-200 242 t with the samel payload http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamili...
114 KarelXWB : List price for the 787-10 is $290 million.
115 OldAeroGuy : I think the 787-10 is exactly the type of airplane LH has been asking for, ie sufficient range to fly the bulk of their routes, avoiding the OEW and
116 neutrino : So all three airline/airline group launch customers have on their order/commitment books all three models of the Dreamliner. *United: 788-36, 789-9, 7
117 flightsimer : Continental ordered 11 787-8's and 14 787-9's with delivery starting early in the production run. United then in 2009 ordered 25 787-8's with a deliv
118 RDH3E : It's probably going to be 788-26, 789-14, 781-20. Although I bet we see more of UA's orders moved to 789s from 788's in the far out deliveries. After
119 Prost : I still think the 788 is the best aircraft to replace the 763. Its a much larger capacity jump from a 763 to a 789 than from a 763 to a 788.
120 FriendlySkies : Is there an official source anywhere for these numbers? Seems like all we know is the original order (sCO 11 788s, sUA 25 788s, sCO 14 789s), suppose
121 Post contains images tortugamon : At 4.6m longer than the A333 it will seat one more seat per row in coach (if they go 9Y), 1 more row of J, and 3-4 rows of Y give or take. The -9 is
122 Prost : We'll have to ask Kanye West how that equation worked out.
123 PW100 : While I fully agree with your observations, I do believe one (small) factor is now being overlooked: cargo. While most airlines indeed won’t use th
124 sunrisevalley : At 6600nm distance , 34t payload , the 789 burns ~10% more fuel than the 788.
125 SonomaFlyer : The -10 should be ideal for Europe- U.S. trips for example which top out at roughly 5,700 miles. At that range with the possible exception of west-bo
126 JoeCanuck : I really don't think Boeing or the customers are going to be able to resist MTOW creep on the -10. I really hope they do manage to resist, at least o
127 sunrisevalley : This was what Clark was alluding to in his 50t /4000nm statement. Cargo capacity will be volume limited at about 19t based on a typical density of 16
128 Post contains links and images tortugamon : Its not working out that well Very true. Its cargo that will probably relegate it to 5,500nm or less. I do not think we will see too many 6,000nm mis
129 Post contains images EPA001 : The minimum size of an airplane which suits EK is getting up and up. If even the B787-10 is not big enough, they do not have much choices left. Their
130 sunrisevalley : quote=tortugamon,reply=128]Very true. Its cargo that will probably relegate it to 5,500nm or less. I do not think we will see too many 6,000nm mission
131 Post contains images tortugamon : Great information, thank you for running it. So 4,800+nm on full volume-limited payload. Theoretically the A359 would be able to carry more cargo tha
132 Stitch : The 787-10 should not need to dedicate more than two LD3 positions to passenger bags (and might get away with one for missions not to/from North Amer
133 BLRAviation : As a replacement for the A333s, absolutely. A more simpler method would be to say flights up to 10~11 hours would be the limit for the 78J. From Sydn
134 blueshamu330s : Talk of BA placing B787-10s in Gatwick, along other quite drastic moves to be announced, in a concerted effort to make Gatwick ops profitable... Rgds
135 Post contains images planesntrains : Well, I hope they're patient. It's going to be the end of the decade before they have a quantity of them to help. Hope they have an interim plan. -Da
136 sunrisevalley : Your numbers look about right , effectively the -10 has a 2-LD-3 advantage over the A359 or about 1.4t after allowing for baggage. But cargo is not c
137 Post contains links tortugamon : Even better. Good to know. Thanks. I started another thread about the 787-10 stretch. By looking at some of the detailed pictures Boeing has released
138 jupiter2 : Of course cargo is carried in LD-3's, thousands of them everyday, I know, I use to load and unload them. PMC pallets are better for bulky items, but
139 Post contains images sunrisevalley : Thanks for this . Nothing better than getting the facts from the hands on guy. Another hands on guy tells me he loads a 77W almost every day with 10
140 AirbusA6 : Quite a predictable plane to launch, as Boeing do seem to favour the simple stretch first, followed by the more comprehensive revisions to create a mo
141 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ferpe, the updates slides are finally online. Range 6800 to 7000 nm, 323 seats in a 3-class configuration. [Edited 2013-06-23 04:48:41]
142 KarelXWB : I agree it's a bit confusing but it means that 27 of the 247 economy seats have a 31" pitch instead of 32".
143 JerseyFlyer : Perfect to replace the GE 772s on holiday routes to the Caribbean.
144 SInGAPORE_AIR : That sample configuration is a bit useless isn't it ? 61" and 39" seat pitches in 'First' and 'Business' respectively.... really (?)
145 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here is an interesting article about Boeing's default cabin configurations: http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2012...-the-advertising-battle-commenced/
146 SInGAPORE_AIR : Thanks; an interesting read which prompts a debate (but elsewhere - I don't wish to hijack this thread).
147 Post contains links behramjee : Looks like Oman Air is also very keen at converting 3 of its 6 B787-800s on order with Boeing to the largest -100X version as officially announced by
148 aerorobnz : I expect that this will happen for many airlines with existing 788/789 orders due for delivery in the longer term.
149 777sigfan : Should make a good 772 replacement as well right? At that length that should be a very sharp looking aircraft!
150 Post contains links and images columba : Interesting quote by Lufthansa´s CEO Christoph Franz regarding the recent 787 problems: http://www.ausbt.com.au/lufthansa-eyes-airbus-a350-boeing-787
151 Prost : That could also be interpreted to read that by the time LH took delivery, all of the teething problems will be in the past. An interesting choice of w
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