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Skytrax: 2013 Awards  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1797 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 23200 times:

Emirates! Congrats to EK, it also won best airline in the Middle East.

- best Economy seats -- Garuda Indonesia
- best LCC -- Air Asia
- best airline aliance -- OneWorld
- Best Cabin Staff -- Cathay Pacific
-- Best Europe Airline -- Turkish

Souce: Twitter: @phatsawat and a lot of other sources at the Paris Air Show


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User currently offlineAquila3 From Italy, joined Nov 2010, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 22962 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
- Best Europe Airline -- Turkish

Small OT /
I wonder why TK is an European airline. While I respect a lot the minority in Turkey that would like that, the majority (through their elected representatives) seems in these days take huge steps in other directions . As territory, Turkey, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) seats by the most part in Asia. BTW, their competition with EK would make the contest more fun.
/end OT.

Then congrats to TK, a really wonderful airline to fly with, form the aircrafts to the really nice people that fly with them.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 22818 times:

Turkey is Eurasian like Cyprus, Russia and some Caucasus states, therefore it is European too, for Russia Europe ends in the middle of Ekaterinburg, its marked by a line.

User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 867 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22342 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Souce: Twitter: @phatsawat and a lot of other sources at the Paris Air Show

wut? What is this about?

In other news... who is the best person in the world? ... ME

Source: my mom and a lot of other friends of mine



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User currently offlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 864 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22189 times:
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Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):


QR won best business class



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3802 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21768 times:

Hey, seriously? SKYTRAX? This is a highly questionable source.

Skytrax awards are bought by the airlines, this has been known for a long time. I would have thought the users of Airliners.net knew this and would refrain from posting threads like this.

Soren   



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User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 867 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21689 times:

I'm very serious...

How is Skytrak helping me if I need to get from NRT to SYD? Am I really going to go through Dubai to get there? No

Not a single airline-served city pair is served by enough airlines to be able to fairly rate any airline as the world's best. Skytrak is useless, as is all of their ilk. Except for PR types, they love it.


Seriously though - next time you book a flight - let a.net know how valuable Skytrak was in your decision making.



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User currently offlineb2319 From China, joined Jan 2013, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21641 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 8):
Skytrax awards are bought by the airlines, this has been known for a long time. I would have thought the users of Airliners.net knew this and would refrain from posting threads like this.

Indeed. I believe the only 'one star' airline is Air Koryo. Now, honestly, how many of us here would not want to fly Air Koryo? Possibly the best fleet, though banned from most international routes (well, China) from the start of the year.....

Definitely the prettiest flight attendants.....  

Regards

B-2319


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24729 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21519 times:

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 1):
I wonder why TK is an European airline.

Lets see.

IATA defines Turkey in "Europe"
ICAO defines Turkey in "Southern Europe"
TK is a member Association of European Airlines for some 50-years
Turkey is a member of dozens of European organizations including Council of Europe, European Free Trade Association, customs union with EU, Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, etc...



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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21494 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 8):

Skytrax awards are bought by the airlines, this has been known for a long time

Yes I have heard this conspiracy theory but never seen any proof, that would be a major scandal in the business. All airlines bought their awards? Is there some kind of of secret auction?


User currently offlineinfinit From Singapore, joined Jul 2008, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21470 times:

This gets my vote for most tragic thread of the year.

airliners.net users taking Skytrax seriously is like academics getting their information from wikipedia

Come on guys, please tell me you know better than this...


User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10332 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21469 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 5):
presented by Skytrax at the 2013 World Airline Awards.

This pretty well explains the awards. Even if the U.S. legacies were up there, it wouldn't make much difference because SKYTRAX pretty well ignores them.



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2604 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21371 times:

EK, king of the super squeezed Y cabin, bad food and poor customer service keys "Worlds best airline"?

PAh, shows you how much SKYTRAX get's it wrong.

BA may not be perfect, but I rate them above EK any day.



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User currently offlineb2319 From China, joined Jan 2013, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21298 times:

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 1):
I wonder why TK is an European airline.

I wonder why Israel's football clubs play under UEFA regulations, yet are in no way European..... (Actually, I know the reason.....  )

If TK's headquarters are west of the Bosphorus in Istanbul, then, for me, the company can safely claim to be European.....

Regards

B-2319


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1797 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21250 times:

Quoting FlyPIJets (Reply 3):
wut? What is this about?

In other news... who is the best person in the world? ... ME

Source: my mom and a lot of other friends of mine

'What' is spelled what not wut. Get a dictionary.

What is this about? Airplanes.

And I got the news live as it happened; ie. there were no available sources other than twitter from people who witnessed the occasion.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 8):
Skytrax awards are bought by the airlines, this has been known for a long time. I would have thought the users of Airliners.net knew this and would refrain from posting threads like this.

Skytrax is only a big failure only if you had a disspointed flight with the 'top' airline in that category. Its all relative to one's experience.



لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
User currently offlineb2319 From China, joined Jan 2013, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21198 times:

Quoting garpd (Reply 15):
BA may not be perfect, but I rate them above EK any day.

I respectfully disagree. My typical response, to the question, on long haul; "Can I have another beer?"

BA- "Why do you want another beer?"
EK- "Here you go, sir!"

Asides the A330s & A340s, Emirates' entertainment system pisses on BA's in Y. (And, yes, I have flown BA's 77W PVG-LHR-PVG)

Food.....well, there were some reasons I left the UK for good......  

Is EK the 'Best Airline in the World?'

Certainly not!

Regards

B-2319


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7062 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20506 times:

Skytrax has it's issues, but it has worked wonders on getting Chinese carriers to focus on quality. And it is making a difference.

I know for certain that a certain three star Chinese carrier has bought Skytrax consultancy for a number of years, and has rightfully remained a three star carrier.

So, to be fair, it isn't just about buying results.



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User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20389 times:

Quoting infinit (Reply 10):
This gets my vote for most tragic thread of the year.

airliners.net users taking Skytrax seriously is like academics getting their information from wikipedia

Come on guys, please tell me you know better than this...

I vote for that too....better watch it though, if we get four votes this could get "The Best Thread of the Year Award 2013"


For those of you who don't know where to find Turkey.....


Turkey can be found in the fresh meat aisle, between the chicken and the duck!


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6293 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20319 times:

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 1):
I wonder why TK is an European airline
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Lets see.

IATA defines Turkey in "Europe"
ICAO defines Turkey in "Southern Europe"
TK is a member Association of European Airlines for some 50-years
Turkey is a member of dozens of European organizations including Council of Europe, European Free Trade Association, customs union with EU, Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, etc...
Quoting b2319 (Reply 13):
If TK's headquarters are west of the Bosphorus in Istanbul, then, for me, the company can safely claim to be European.....

I could be wrong, but I was under the assumption that TK Headquarters was at IST airport, meaning both HQ and largest operations (by far) are both in Europe.


User currently offlineDrmlnr1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 19318 times:

Surprisd that no one is mentioning that OW the smallest alliance is the best!!! I thought that *a would get it, but I guess this proves that bigger isn't always better. Congrats OW!!


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User currently offlineflyingthe757 From UK - England, joined Mar 2013, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 19047 times:
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Quoting b2319 (Reply 15):

In all my flights on BA, I have never once heard that response when asking for another drink??


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6293 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18942 times:

Quoting flyingthe757 (Reply 20):
In all my flights on BA, I have never once heard that response when asking for another drink??

Yeah same here. And I fly BA quite often (considering I don't live in the UK or even Europe).


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17286 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18674 times:

Quoting b2319 (Reply 15):
I respectfully disagree. My typical response, to the question, on long haul; "Can I have another beer?"

BA- "Why do you want another beer?"

I think everyone is rightly calling BS. I have never, in my life, on any carrier, in any class, heard anything like this.

Quoting Drmlnr1 (Reply 19):
Surprisd that no one is mentioning that OW the smallest alliance is the best!!! I thought that *a would get it, but I guess this proves that bigger isn't always better. Congrats OW!!

How is the quality of an alliance determined? I'd nominate oneworld as alliance most likely to collapse first in today's market: minimal cooperation between QF/CX/AA, EK blowing up the QF/BA partnership, and minimal connectivity to AB, who is in a state of flux to say the least.



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User currently offlineflyingthe757 From UK - England, joined Mar 2013, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18172 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 22):

How is the quality of an alliance determined? I'd nominate oneworld as alliance most likely to collapse first in today's market: minimal cooperation between QF/CX/AA, EK blowing up the QF/BA partnership, and minimal connectivity to AB, who is in a state of flux to say the least.

----------------------------------

QF have agreements with AA

AA BA IB joint business,

BA/JL joint business

BA/CX coop

oneworld global support centres in major hubs saving money and helping assist customers with transfers

Co-location and joint handling at major stations

Airline integrations due shortly AA/US and LAN/TAM

New aircraft and cabins across all airlines

New members QR UL


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17286 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18126 times:

Quoting flyingthe757 (Reply 23):
QF have agreements with AA

AA BA IB joint business,

BA/JL joint business

BA/CX coop

oneworld global support centres in major hubs saving money and helping assist customers with transfers

Co-location and joint handling at major stations

Airline integrations due shortly AA/US and LAN/TAM

New aircraft and cabins across all airlines

New members QR UL

Skyteam and Star do that too  



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25 Post contains images HH65MAN : Awesome thread, .......great entertainment.......
26 Post contains images LAXintl : And speaking of TK their awards this year are: Best Airline in Europe for 3rd year running. Best Airline in Southern Europe Best Business Class Cater
27 FlyPIJets : no kidding, right!?! Best Airline salt and pepper shakers in business class... Best Airline hq'd in a county located on two or more continents... Bes
28 Northstar80 : Oh boy. With such an interesting thread, and so much to read and discuss about, this is probably the single most subject not to discuss here. And you
29 flyingthe757 : So makes you think oneworld would collapse first over the other 2?
30 zippyjet : What happened to stalwarts such as Virgin Atlantic and Singapore? They used to run away with the top honors.
31 motorhussy : If I had to fly a 10hr leg in Y on the airline of my choice, the answer for me would be SQ. If I had to fly a 10hr leg in Y+ on the airline of my choi
32 jumpjets : Maybe the FA thought you'd had enough already and were showing signs of being tired and emotional [= a bit drunk]. In my experience on BA long haul i
33 Post contains images SCL767 : Best South American Airline -- LAN Airlines
34 b2319 : You are welcome to speculate, in this case such speculation is widely inaccurate. My speculation is the time of the requests was possibly a weird one
35 q120 : this was great! made me laugh...
36 q120 : this is why I started to back away from this site.... because people "think" they know everything! Occasionally I post if its worth it.. like now. Sk
37 Post contains images hz747300 : I would have thought Saudia would have bought the top spot What is the 'best' airline in America?
38 brilondon : My grandma always told me I was good looking...there for my vote goes to me, now if I can two other people to agree I will be the best person in the
39 sierra3tango : EK .....what a joke Living within an hour's drive of DXB and flying somewhere most weeks its not on my no fly list , but its near last on my preferred
40 flyenthu : Why so much rhetoric? Some skepticism is fine but I think that the results are largely accurate. If you are saying that the ratings are bought by the
41 flyingthe757 : That puts into into much more easier to understand context then your first post which made out everytime you asked on a BA flight you got that respon
42 OzGlobal : My thoughts exaclty. If you want to know the best North American carrier, they have a category for that. So use it. This is not a valid criticism of
43 aviasian : BA's inflight service was absolutely superb when I flew them from Hong Kong to London ... and yes, alcoholic beverages were flowing freely. Perhaps it
44 1400mph : Most of these airlines are the usual suspects and do have exceptional levels in standard for both their hard and soft product. However, I think it is
45 CaliAtenza : you know i have always had great crews with EK on every flight ive been on. Granted the last time i flew EK was 2011, so things may have changed by n
46 DexSwart : If that is truly the case, then surely SA would have much better things to spend their money on? By the way, if SA take out Best Airline to Africa ag
47 TheAviator380 : I have flown on BA and EK both....My honest and unbiased opinion is > BA is no way even near to EK when it comes to IFE, Food, Customer service and
48 sierra3tango : You wouldn't think that if it was your local airline just down the road & you sometimes had to fly them Admittedly the IFE is very good & you
49 1400mph : Being able to offer non-stop... .'service'.... is a massive attraction when deciding which airline to fly with and is most certainly a customer ...'s
50 TheAviator380 : You can ask for more drinks while having food isn't it ? I have not seen food and drinks served togather...every time on different airliners, drinks
51 TheAviator380 : I agree your last point that no Airline can satisfy all customers but when ever I read reviews about different airlines, I don't see that many positi
52 Post contains images flythere : It's hard to believe in a 3-4-3 configured onboard 777 can win the best airline out there..... UNBELIEVABLE
53 sierra3tango : Not going to get buried in this just one its one example of loads Well all airlines (don't know about NA airlines, haven't flown one since PA / TWA i
54 1400mph : In the premium cabins I would be equally happy on either airline. I would choose BA for my benefits though. In economy considering BA's current equip
55 eljas : I don't understand the problem people have with the backwards seats... Anyway, if you don't want to face backwards, pick a forward facing seat at che
56 flyforever : Conspirancy or not, I'm going to fly for the first time in both Emirates and Qantas next September. I know a flight won't tell me if I flew the best a
57 b2319 : Thanks. I can see I could have come across as being flippant, which was not my intention. My point is I don't think it's in the mindset of the Asian
58 flyenthu : If you break down the average Emirates product and compare with others: - food that you can actually eat - decent food quantity - food available throu
59 1400mph : PLEASANT and CONVENIENT ? Transitting ? Don't think so. Well I'm sorry but something has to make up for schlepping through a hot and sweaty DXB airpo
60 mcogator : If you go on any car enthusiast website, you will see most people hate the Toyota Camry and can't imagine ever owning one, yet it's the best selling c
61 sierra3tango : As follows food that you can actually eat Poor in comparison with many airlines in this part of the world, with limited choice and regularly the choi
62 mcogator : This is an opinion not found by many. Sounds like someone just has a serious "beef" with the airline. Disgruntled former employee? Competitor employe
63 MaverickM11 : There's so little coordination among airlines outside of the transatlantic/transpacific, and Latin American relationships. Asia/Australia/Europe are
64 flyenthu : Sierra3tango, I usually travel long haul SQ or EK. I will travel QR next month. I used to travel BA, AA etc. Domestic I travel Southwest. So, I have a
65 1400mph : Apart from non-stop. Their Achilles heel has and always been that their model is based around transfer traffic. Their change of stance regarding co-o
66 sierra3tango : First off my business is in offshore marine so never worked in the airline business, though I now wished I had. "Beef" yes I've got one - years of pu
67 sierra3tango : Try QR I think the new Doha airport is fully open now (worth checking, if you have to transfer from old to new AVOID until it has!). You are totally
68 1400mph : Yes but my concern is what goes on the ground not in the air. They are already struggling with ATC and when EK 'finally' reaches maturity the mind si
69 TheAviator380 : [quote=sierra3tango,reply=61]As follows food that you can actually eat Poor in comparison with many airlines in this part of the world, with limited c
70 sierra3tango : Probably they can do it, but as you say to what standard They think big here
71 ETinCaribe : I have never seen any proof on this though it is a widely held belief esp here on a.net. Can anyone comment on how the bias may be put in place? Perh
72 Post contains links and images SIA747Megatop : Surprised to find a serious discussion on here considering that the folks over at SQTalk and FlyerTalk are cracking jokes about this. What interests m
73 sierra3tango : [quote=TheAviator380,reply=69][quote=sierra3tango,reply=61]As follows This thread will end up a mile long so its heavily cut food that you can actuall
74 TheAviator380 : Obviously no one asking you to travel from MAN to DEL but EK has got best connections to travel from point A to B if there is no option of direct fli
75 Post contains images SIA747Megatop : I'm no fan of Emirates (in all cabins) and have expressed this view many times but I've got to say travelling with infants is one of the hardest thin
76 flyenthu : That's why they surveyed "how many million people now?" Have you ever heard of a sample that large? They cater to a wide variety of travellers crissc
77 TheAviator380 : True, they gave us 2-3 baby packs, 2-3 nice soft toys to take with us even 2 little blankets. They were looking how baby is doing etc...what else you
78 Viscount724 : Agree. When I see the word "Skytrax" in any surveys or ratings I stop reading.
79 flyenthu : Could you please educate me on this? I mean it sincerely and not sarcastically. Why do so many on here, who are very knowledgeable, say that Skytrax
80 SIA747Megatop : Reading the thread may help. In my earlier post I questioned how KLM and Air Asia along with Virgin Atlantic can hold the same "Star" rating. Further
81 HELyes : Their European rankings: The Best Airlines: 1. Turkish Airlines 2. Lufthansa 3. Swiss 4. British Airways 5. Aegean Airlines 6. Austrian 7. Finnair 8.
82 Post contains images sq_ek_freak : Regarding you, probably not. But x1000, x5000 others who might start to sway closer to your line of thought, maybe. DXB is a mess and I really don't
83 Post contains images SIA747Megatop : When the airline is offering three or four main courses, sometimes two with the same meat it makes life a lot easier for the passengers and the crew.
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