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Why Did Pan Am Get Rid Of Pan American Titles.  
User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 527 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

When Pan Am's Boeing 747s came out in 1970 they did not have Pan American titles and just Pan Am in small lettering.Most of Pan Am's Boeing 707s,727s and DC-8s(retired in 1968) had Pan American on them at the time. What was the objective to shortening the titles on their planes to just Pan Am. In 1984 when they came out with their billboard scheme I thought it looked very plain.

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5562 times:

There wasn't any reason to continue to spell out Pan American on the planes any longer. The company was getting ready to change the corporate name to its popular nickname, Pan Am, which it finally did in 1972.

[Edited 2013-06-18 18:37:15]


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User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

Could you please pass me another Budweiser light? Or: Give me a Bud light!

That should about cover it... 



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User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

I'm with you, doulasc. The full name looked classier for sure.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2983 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
There wasn't any reason to continue to spell out Pan American on the planes any longer. The company was getting ready to change the corporate name to its popular nickname, Pan Am, which it finally did in 1972.

There has always been a trend (which I find unfortunate) to legally change corporate names with a long history (in some cases) to some soulless acronym.

BNSF (formerly Burlington Northern Santa Fe)
BECU (formerly Boeing Employees Credit Union)
KFC (used to be Kentucky Fried Chicken
UPS (you know this one)

And I'm sure the list goes on. Air California changed to Air Cal. I far preferred the former.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
The company was getting ready to change the corporate name to its popular nickname, Pan Am, which it finally did in 1972.

Do you have a source for that? I thought the legal corporate name remained Pan American World Airways, Inc. right to the end. I see many references to that name in news items, for example the following 1991 article re their bankruptcy filing.
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-01-09/news/mn-7223_1_fuel-costs

All news items I can find about their shutdown also refer to Pan American World Airways. Can't find anything re a change to the corporate name in 1972.

[Edited 2013-06-19 18:08:25]

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6386 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

The holding company was Pan Am Corp,......the subsidiary was Pan American World Airways



Federal Express to Fed Ex,....although I think the corporate name remained Federal Express


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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
I thought the legal corporate name remained Pan American World Airways, Inc. right to the end. I see many references to that name in news items, for example the following 1991 article re their bankruptcy filing.

I believe it was Pan American World Airways until the end. Just the marketing name was changed to Pan Am. Everybody called it Pan Am anyway.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Federal Express (FEDEX).

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
There has always been a trend (which I find unfortunate) to legally change corporate names with a long history (in some cases) to some soulless acronym.

BNSF (formerly Burlington Northern Santa Fe)
BECU (formerly Boeing Employees Credit Union)
KFC (used to be Kentucky Fried Chicken
UPS (you know this one)

Many insurance companies are notorious for shortening their names or using acronyms. Geico and Aflac come to mind immediately.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Do you have a source for that?

I was going on memory, but looked it up quite easily at panamair.org when googling 'pan am corporation history':

http://www.panamair.org/History/logos.htm

Quote:
On November 1, 1972, the corporate name was changed for the final time to “Pan Am,” the company’s popular nickname.

Pan Am Corporation is also listed on wikipedia as the final corporate name for the 'Parent company'.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 7):
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Federal Express (FEDEX).

Except for the post just before mine.    Oops.


User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

It is possible the marketing and front image of Pan American World Airways was shortened to Pan Am due to the wider advent of travel in the sixites. The new 747 opened up wider travel options and it was a shedding of skin in a sense. A more modern, fresh image.

Pan American beginning in it's infancy was a US to Latin American carrier, perhaps using Pan American in this new modern frontier maybe was limiting in name only as a US/Latin american carrier, when Pan Am was so much more.

Wasn't this also the time of the ad campaign "Pan Am: American's airline to the world".

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Do you have a source for that? I thought the legal corporate name remained Pan American World Airways, Inc. right to the end. I see many references to that name in news items, for example the following 1991 article re their bankruptcy filing.
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
The holding company was Pan Am Corp,......the subsidiary was Pan American World Airways
Quoting bohica (Reply 7):
I believe it was Pan American World Airways until the end. Just the marketing name was changed to Pan Am. Everybody called it Pan Am anyway.

These are what I too have understood to be. Maybe the holding company became Pan Am Corp (I dont know but someone above mentioned it), but the airline was still officially Pan American World Airways. I've seen that I'm pretty sure on official documents or (C) or (R) Pan Ameican World Airways and never (C) Pan Am Corp. That just doesn't look right.


User currently offlineScooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1199 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3825 times:
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A lot of corporations changed the names of their "so-called money-making" branches in the sixties, maybe to appeal to the public who were paying to keep them afloat.

In the airline business these comes off the top of my memory:

SAS
(Scandinavian Airlines System)
-Lost the "System" (and still has not found it)   

SABENA
(Belgian World Airlines)
-Lost the "World" (Maybe a sign of things to come?)

TCA
(Trans Canada Air Lines)
-Became Air Canada


Scooter01

PS -strange, these all seemed to be government-owned corporations....



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4913 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 11):
TCA
(Trans Canada Air Lines)
-Became Air Canada

Trans-Canada Air Lines became Air Canada as the name "Air Canada" was considered bilingual. In the late 1950s, TCA started to display its name as "Trans-Canada Air Lines / Air Canada". (English/French). This became more prominent in the early 1960s.

In May of 1964, an act of parliament allowed TCA to drop the "Trans-Canada Air Lines" in favour of the more French "Air Canada", effective January 1, 1965.



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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6785 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days ago) and read 3576 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Pan Am Corporation is also listed on wikipedia as the final corporate name for the 'Parent company'.

So the airline remained Pan American World Airways until 1991?


User currently offlinesuperjeff From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days ago) and read 3533 times:
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There was another reason. Pan Am considered itself not only the U.S. "Flag" carrier, but also the world's flag carrier. I've seen Australian commercials for Pan Am, for example, that claimed they were the World's Airline (I'm sure Qantas wouldn't have been happy, but . . . ).

User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Federal Express to Fed Ex,....although I think the corporate name remained Federal Express

According to SEC filings, it's FEDEX Corporation.

Quoting bohica (Reply 7):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
There has always been a trend (which I find unfortunate) to legally change corporate names with a long history (in some cases) to some soulless acronym.

Qantas is an acronym, too, but that's so far in the past, most people probably don't even know.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 13):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Pan Am Corporation is also listed on wikipedia as the final corporate name for the 'Parent company'.

So the airline remained Pan American World Airways until 1991?

Correct.


User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2713 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

While we're on the subject, I found these very interesting ads created by Pan Am in the 60s and geared to the African American market, which if you think about it, are quite forward thinking for that era at a time when the U.S. civil rights movement was still playing out.

http://bvikkivintage.blogspot.com/20...vintage-pan-am-ads-editorials.html


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3023 times:


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6130 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
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Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 11):
SABENA
(Belgian World Airlines)
-Lost the "World" (Maybe a sign of things to come?)

Societe Anonime Belge de Navegation Aerienne.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 15):
Qantas is an acronym, too, but that's so far in the past, most people probably don't even know.

Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services, and no, I did not Googled it.



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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

Northwest is an interesting story. Even though the company name was always "Northwest Airlines", their identity was "Northwest Orient" for many years.

After the merger with Republic, they cut out the Orient part.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 19):
Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 11):
SABENA
(Belgian World Airlines)
-Lost the "World" (Maybe a sign of things to come?)

Societe Anonime Belge de Navegation Aerienne.

Not quite. The origiinal name was Societé Anonyme Belge d'Exploitation de la Navigation Aérienne.


User currently offlinenomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
The holding company was Pan Am Corp,......the subsidiary was Pan American World Airways

At about this same time TWA became a subsidiary of a holding company known as Trans World Corporation.

After almost 2 decades of aircraft sporting just ' TWA ' they did a reversal of Pan Am and once again used 'Trans World' titles.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Pacific Southwest Airlines was generally known by only its initials.

bb


User currently offlinePalmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Well, while we're on the topic of airline acronyms:

BMI - British Midland, then bmi, then bmi-British Midland International
BOAC - British Overseas Airways Corporation
BEA - British European Airways
TEAL (Predecessor of Air New Zealand) - Tasman Empire Airways Limited

Interesting factoid - Singapore Airlines and Malaysia Airlines were once locked in union, as part of the Federation of Malaya's Malayan Airlines. When Singapore became independent in 1965, the two separate governments took joint control and renamed it MSA - Malaysia-Singapore Airlines. This was never going to end well. As they split in 1975 after disagreements on whether to develop international or domestic routes, the Malaysian part, left with Fokker F27s and Britten-Norman Islanders, switched the letters around and became MAS (Malaysian Airline System). The Singaporean part, left with the Boeing 707s and 737s, initially was to be named Mercury Singapore Airlines to keep the MSA initials. Mercifully, that was dropped and SIA - Singapore (International?) Airlines was used instead.



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User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Another interesting story in this regard concerns BWIA, now defunct. BWIA (or Bee Wee as they were affectionately known) were started in Trinidad in 1940 as British West Indian Airways, hence the acronym. They became associated with the ill-fated BOAC subsidiary British South American Airways in 1947 but regained their independence 3 years later as the latter were dissolved. BWIA became increasingly known by only their acronym as time went along, particularly after Trinidad & Tobago gained independence in 1962. As time went along they became BWIA International and in 1980 officially became Trinidad & Tobago (BWIA International) Airways Corporation after the domestic airline Trinidad & Tobago Air Services were merged with them that year.

TTIA-BWIA were still known to many as just BWIA. In 1994 with privatization the airline became BWIA International Airways Limited and kept the name until 2000, when they became BWIA West Indies Airways as part of a 60th anniversary rebranding which featured the green and gold livery. At that time BWIA as such was not an acronym, just a name with no further meaning. BWIA West Indies was closed on 31 December 2006. Their successors, Caribbean Airlines, are an entirely separate company.

Trintocan.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Quoting nomadic (Reply 22):
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
The holding company was Pan Am Corp,......the subsidiary was Pan American World Airways

At about this same time TWA became a subsidiary of a holding company known as Trans World Corporation.

After almost 2 decades of aircraft sporting just ' TWA ' they did a reversal of Pan Am and once again used 'Trans World' titles.

I've always thought it was innovative how TWA completely changed their name in the late 1940s from Transcontinental & Western Air to Trans World Airlines but didn't have to change their well-known initials.

[Edited 2013-06-23 18:17:23]

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