4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3097 posts, RR: 8 Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
So I'm out grilling dinner, and for a while this evening, the usual cloudless PHX sky in June gave way to some long lasting contrails. I'm always looking at contrails, probably because I was brought up in the 70s when they were more interesting with all of the 4 holers up there. But at around 6:30 PM at pretty much the same time, contrails of 2 airliners to the south made a 90 degree turn to the right almost all the way up to PHX, then a >90 degree turn back down towards San Diego. It was pretty funky to see. A quick look at my phone's flightradar app showed the flights to be these. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA215 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1467
The turns seemed even more abrupt than the line on the flightaware graphs.
So what gives? Turbulence? There were no clouds at all to indicate any "weather".
Anyone have an idea?
4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3097 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3514 times:
Definitely turns. If you zoom in on the flight paths on the links you can see. And like I said, visually, the contrail turns looked tighter than what you see on flightaware. These were big sweeping S turns.
GuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3455 times:
If you look at the flightaware maps of those particular flights on a PC or Mac (not mobile), change the map setting from "classic" to "aviation sectional" (box in upper right corner of the map).
You will see many restricted areas and parachute locations in the area they avoided by the turns. While the restricted areas are height limited, I'm betting they had some kind of operations going on in the upper FL's that prompted the S-turns you witnessed.
surfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2984 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3095 times:
Well, a buddy of mine mentioned on Facebook a pretty wild ride from BUR to PHX, "I think I want to congratulate the pilot for his hurried rush to get us to Phoenix as the doctor worked on the girl in the back of the plane; putting us in a perpetual nose-dive to accelerate, low-altitude banking barely over the buildings of Phoenix, full throttle landing, and 90mph race-skidding into the gate... But I also want to slap him for the White-knuckle adrenaline rush he put us in for 45 min from Burbank to Phoenix. Girl is doing fine. Walked off the plane with paramedics on her own." Posted Monday at 3:07 PM in Scottsdale, AZ. No clue if it was US or WN, but if I had to guess - WN .
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!