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FlyDubai To Have Business Class On All Planes  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1808 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

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FlyDubai, the state-owned budget carrier, will begin offering business class services on some routes starting in October, it said in an e-mailed statement today.

Business seats will be offered for sale in August, with the first aircraft fitted with the new berths due to arrive the same month. All planes delivered subsequently will feature the two-class layout.

The business class cabin will have leather seats, in-flight entertainment and premium catering while on-ground services will include priority check-in and lounge access.

Source:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-service-on-no-frills-flights.html

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Thoughts?


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User currently offlineMcHobNob From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7549 times:

Hey,

I was just about to post the same. As per Mr. Ghaith Al Ghaith, the CEO - in a company wide email mentioned the following benefits (www.flydubai.com):

We will take delivery of the first aircraft with a Business Class cabin in August, after which all new aircraft will be configured with both business and economy classes. Please go to Gateway to find out more about flydubai’s Business Class offering however some highlights include:

• Priority check-in, located one minute from the car park at Terminal 2, Dubai International Airport
• Access to a dedicated Business Class lounge later in the year
• Priority baggage collection
• Dedicated 24 hour business team to attend to enquiries and assist in ticket booking, meal selection and telephone check-in
• 12 soft Italian leather seats offering a more personal travel experience
• Seat pitch of 42 inches
• In-flight entertainment system with a 12.1 inch touch screen
• Dedicated cabin crew member
• Internationally-inspired menus including cold food on short flights, and the option of a three-course hot meal on flights of 90 minutes and above

This seems to be a more "premium" service than the likes of Jazeera Business Class which offers a divider between the regular seats.

I personally use flydubai every week for travels to the different stations in the Middle East. I see this succeeding as the J class fares in Emirates to the middle eastern cities are too high. This might fill the gap. I love flydubai's relaxed service atmosphere on most flights, and their friendly flight attendants. Might just work.
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[Edited 2013-06-18 23:45:41]

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7445 times:

Many thanks for the above mentioned key information as the bloomberg article was quite vague to say the least !

So a cabin of 12J and how many Y class? I guess 130-136 max?

Yes there are many routes that FZ would do quite well with the introduction of the J class cabin. These include KWI, JED, RUH, DMM, DOH, BEY, AMM, BAH, KBL and the oil rich cities of Central Asia.

They should not introduce them on services to Indian subcontinent, KRT, ADD and the secondary Russian cities due to the passenger demographic there being largely economy class paying ones.

In turn this will also help them gain more higher yielding J class feed from Emirates to those destinations where there is demand from the EK network but due to FZ not having a premium cabin some corporate pax would not want to fly them.

All in all, a smart move indeed !


User currently offlineminmaguire From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2011, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7427 times:

They just sent an email out about this, You beat me to it on the posts!

Says that they will announce which routes during the summer for a launch in October 2013.

Sounds like they will retrofit the planes they already have.

Link to info on website below

http://www.flydubai.com/en/business/...ass_Seat&utm_content=find_out_more


User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2857 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7262 times:

I was just reading a CAPA (commercial aviation analyst) article about FZ. They mentioned the relationship between EK and FZ, stating that the rather "hybrid" FZ has become EK's answer to its narrowbody-equipped competitors - namely, EY and QR. Not only FZ offer service to a variety of smaller markets in the region that cannot support (or in some cases, physically accommodate) EK widebody service, but FZ can also boost frequency on routes that both EK and FZ serve (BAH, DOH, MCT, etc.). They said that from EK's standpoint, an F-equipped carrier (a la SQ's MI) would be preferred, and sure enough that has indeed happened! I guess this change in FZ strategy means there probably is significant connectivity between EK and FZ, although nowadays it isn't all that unusual for an airline to start as an LCC and then morph into a full service carrier - B6, VA, etc. Given the premium clientele that Dubai frequently caters to, I am sure this move will go over well! Lots of very wealthy people in many of their oil-rich destinations  .


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User currently offlineMcHobNob From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7048 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 2):
They should not introduce them on services to Indian subcontinent, KRT, ADD and the secondary Russian cities due to the passenger demographic there being largely economy class paying ones.

I also think that introducing it to the Indian destinations would not make much sense as it is a price sensitive market (as discussed many times before on this forum). Plus major Indian cities are already served by EK with a dedicated J class and even F class in some instances.

But as mentioned by the CEO, as it is gradually introduced in all the aircraft, it would eventually appear on all routes as flydubai doesn't seem to be an airline which would maintain 2 different configurations in the fleet due to flexibility with aircraft scheduling.

Infact, i cant wait to try the new premium product.


User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6835 times:

So is FZ no longer LCC? What amazes me to no end is the fact that I often see in the middle east a EK 340-500 lining up with a FZ 737 waiting right behind it. Unbelievable.

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

apparently the configuration is 12J and 162Y...this would arguably the most dense B738 dual class configuration out there as larger aircraft such as B739ERs and A321s seat 175-180 pax in a 2 class layout so how is FZ doing this with a smaller aircraft ?

User currently offlineMcHobNob From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 6):

So is FZ no longer LCC? What amazes me to no end is the fact that I often see in the middle east a EK 340-500 lining up with a FZ 737 waiting right behind it. Unbelievable.

It still remains an LCC, as per the information on the website and other sources. Only thing its doing differently is offering a business class section. Much like Jazeera Airways (Kuwait), which offers two cabin service in the LCC market. Another example is JetBlue which will also introduce/has introduced a dedicated business cabin.


User currently offlineMcHobNob From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 7):

apparently the configuration is 12J and 162Y...this would arguably the most dense B738 dual class configuration out there as larger aircraft such as B739ERs and A321s seat 175-180 pax in a 2 class layout so how is FZ doing this with a smaller aircraft ?

FZ currently operates 189 all Y configuration on its B737-800 (the only aircraft type it operates), so its losing just about 15 seats by re configuring with a J class.

I agree with a dual class, this is the most dense seating config out there.

[Edited 2013-06-19 03:42:13]

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Can an LCC offering a business class affect their operations in some markets that allowed them in as all economy airline?

User currently offlineMcHobNob From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 10):

This is an interesting question/observation, but according to me - the status of an airline, be it an all economy or a full service carrier shouldn't affect its entry into any market, but i am not sure if there are regulations or restrictions in that context.

What might be an after effect of this decision is the low business/premium demand markets such as KTM, HYD, AMD, LKO and some Russian cities that FZ operates might lose some potential revenue as a lost of 15 odd seats, which makes a big difference for LCCs.


User currently offlineflyhigh@tom From India, joined Sep 2001, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

just a side note....so in a 2 class config FZ has 162 Y...and all those poor pax are relegated to the 2 aft lavatories only   

just to think their competition down the road at SHJ actually configures their A320s with 162Y on some aircraft and the remaining with 168Y (the ones with the redesigned aft and fwd galley). agreed G9 does not have IFE onboard but considering the kind of destinations that FZ and G9 fly...the queues to the lavs are never ending.


User currently offlinemcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

I thought FZ was one of the best LCC I have flown after a AMM-DXB flight last year. Their IFE screen is huge, the plane was extremely clean, and the cabin crew were top notch. I'm 6'6, and even though pitch is tight, it's much better than on say AF when the person in front of you reclines. At certain angles my knees don't hit the seat in front of me.

[Edited 2013-06-19 08:00:18]

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6252 times:

Have they changed their uniforms? when they launched Karachi few years back their uniform was beige skirt, blue shirt , scarf with FZ colours tied around neck, top shirt button open looking somewhat sexy, for Multan/Sialkot this year they had same skirt and scarf but dowdy beige top with round neck no buttons.

User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

Have they got any plans to serve any destinations in India or far east which has not been covered by EK?

Thanks.


User currently offlineBluebird191 From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3761 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 7):
Apparently the configuration is 12J and 162Y...this would arguably the most dense B738 dual class configuration out there as larger aircraft such as B739ERs and A321s seat 175-180 pax in a 2 class layout so how is FZ doing this with a smaller aircraft ?

Virgin Australia is close to it with 8J and 168Y - one less row of business traded for one more row of economy.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5204 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 7):
apparently the configuration is 12J and 162Y...this would arguably the most dense B738 dual class configuration out there
Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 16):
Virgin Australia is close to it with 8J and 168Y - one less row of business traded for one more row of economy.

Also QF is 12/156 - so FZ only one extra row of Y



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User currently offlineMcHobNob From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 14):

Have they changed their uniforms? when they launched Karachi few years back their uniform was beige skirt, blue shirt , scarf with FZ colours tied around neck, top shirt button open looking somewhat sexy, for Multan/Sialkot this year they had same skirt and scarf but dowdy beige top with round neck no buttons.

Look at this image, if you are talking about the staff in the front row, this is part of the uniform options that they have for the cabin crew.



User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

That's the one, whats the horrible creased material? looks like some cotton mix the type used for Khakis and outdoorsy, camping attire.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 15):
Have they got any plans to serve any destinations in India or far east which has not been covered by EK?

If I recall correctly, I believe they announced a couple of routes, including Chandigarh, but were not able to launch them.



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User currently offlineMcHobNob From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 19):

That's the one, whats the horrible creased material? looks like some cotton mix the type used for Khakis and outdoorsy, camping attire.

I do agree the blue shirts look good on both the men and the women, the full skirt looks a bit odd due to the color and it creases up a lot faster. Not sure of the material used.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 20):
If I recall correctly, I believe they announced a couple of routes, including Chandigarh, but were not able to launch them.

As far as India goes, i think the services are heavily restricted due to the current number of flights that are warranted between UAE and India. Starting new destinations in India might take a while i guess.
For far east, currently FlyDubai is probably concentrating on destinations within 5 hours flying time and to better connect Russian cities with Dubai as there is a lot of tourism potential and money spenders inbound from Russia  


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Ant plans for Iran? such as Bandar Abbas a former EK market though fivr Iranian carriers alrady fly the route, another Afghan city Kandahar two Afghan carriers serving the route, Herat no international flights yet, Mazar-i-Sharif latter now served by Turkish, Urumqi in China route previously served by China Southern 757, Quetta in Pakistan no link since PIA ended their service on the route?

[Edited 2013-06-20 05:09:11]

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