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Its Here Finally! The American A319!  
User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 62212 times:



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She really does look pretty!


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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 62293 times:

Yes she does look pretty.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 62212 times:

What a disaster. Oversized tail artwork, with the bullet holes in the logo and billboard titles really obvious. Would someone please save this monstrosity from our skies?   

The only plane I've seen this livery work acceptably well on are the T-tailed regional jets.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11569 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 62064 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):

What a disaster. Oversized tail artwork, with the bullet holes in the logo and billboard titles really obvious. Would someone please save this monstrosity from our skies?

I couldn't agree with you more. This is hideous.

Why didn't anyone think about the windows when designing this livery?



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4142 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 61966 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
What a disaster. Oversized tail artwork, with the bullet holes in the logo and billboard titles really obvious. Would someone please save this monstrosity from our skies?

Will the outside-facing surfaces of the window shades be painted to establish a bit more continuity of the livery?


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 61965 times:

This is awful. American wanted to look unique. It looks uniquely horrific. I know they had to change due to increasing numbers of CFRP aircraft, but they could have gone with another look.


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User currently offlineWoody1974 From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 61959 times:

FUGLY.....for some reason I think it works on the 737

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 61911 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
Will the outside-facing surfaces of the window shades be painted to establish a bit more continuity of the livery?

LOL, who knows. Imagine, a bullet hole almost square and center in the 'flight symbol'. It's almost like someone set this up as a 'kill me now' joke.



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User currently offlinesassiciai From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2013, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 61849 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Would someone please save this monstrosity from our skies?

The only plane I've seen this livery work acceptably well on are the T-tailed regional jets.

Oh well - art! One man's meat is another man's poison! In French - "Les gouts et les couleurs...."!

Hope you find some livery that you like, on any plane you like and can see currently!


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 61842 times:

It looks ok to me... But that's just my opinion. Looking closer at the photo (its not the best) it appears to be MSN 5678.

A bit off topic but another new aircraft has been spotted in the new AA livery:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7332/9097685638_856f438010_b.jpg
Embraer E-175 (E-170-200/AR) by Aero World News & Photos, on Flickr



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11569 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 61666 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 9):
A bit off topic but another new aircraft has been spotted in the new AA livery:

Now see, that looks a lot better, mostly because they didn't put the titles across the windows. That was a major failure on the 319 livery.



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User currently offlinefoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 61535 times:

Is it just me or does it look tail-heavy?  


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User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 61522 times:

Cool to see an American A319 but man that livery is just absolutely dreadful

Hope a lot of people were fired for coming up with the scheme.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61296 times:

Still not a fan of the livery, but the E-Jet looks 100 times better than the A319. If anything, it's just weird to see a stumpy short AA jet. All their airplanes, even their smallest narrowbodies, are long airplanes. There's something off about a squat, tall A319 in an AAL livery. Oh, and obviously the mangled swiss-cheese titles.


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User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1015 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61254 times:

Quoting foppishbum (Reply 11):
Is it just me or does it look tail-heavy?

When aircraft are being towed with this type of tow tractor, the nose gear is actually up on a ramp and off the ground so the tail will look lower because it is lower. Nothing wrong with this aircraft.


User currently offlineSIA747Megatop From Singapore, joined Apr 2012, 328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61175 times:

As posted in the identical thread by the same OP.


I think the design on tail makes it look too striking and therefore large and out of proportion with the rest of the aircraft. This livery makes the aircraft look shorter than it is.



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61173 times:

If anything they should take the word American and stretch it across the whole plane like Frontier & Ryanair

User currently onlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61124 times:

Still cannot believe people care so much about the windows. I don't even notice them unless they're explicitly pointed out. And even then, I don't find it detracts at all.

Of the planes repainted so far, it's probably my least favorite example of the new livery, though. I find it works better on longer aircraft, so it doesn't appear so cluttered. I saw this photo, and felt like I was looking at an A-318.

With that said, the new livery looks quite nice. I sincerely doubt it will be changed when the merger goes through, but who knows?

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User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 60965 times:

I like AA's new livery and it looks amazing on their 737's but for some reason that livery is not working on this A319 and it could just be the camera angle but from this picture that plane looks horrible in AA's new livery. Hopefully it will look much better once seen in person.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 60925 times:

Okay.. that 319 looks "stumpy" and just off-sized.. but the E75 looks good (except for that Gawd Aweful tail livery)...  


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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 60904 times:

A friend of mine was at DFW and snapped a shot of 3 planes in the new livery together and said it looked awesome. Im actually kinda getting used to the new tail.

User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 60490 times:

The new livery was growing on me ....

.... until it came to a screeching halt right here.

I think the A319 looks pretty bad. The new livery definitely suits longer aircraft better, but it's the bullet holes that really just put the nail in the coffin for me.

The E75 looks so much better. The livery still seems a bit compressed to me, but without the windows in the way it looks a lot cleaner and less out of place.



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User currently offlineArcrftlvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 59873 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
I couldn't agree with you more. This is hideous.

Why didn't anyone think about the windows when designing this livery?

This livery in general is a tragedy. I understand the need to paint the fuselages but the scheme on any aircraft looks terrible; this one just looks worse. I was on the ramp yesterday at LAX and a newly painted 738 was parked next to an older (but immaculate looking) 763 and the contrast is staggering. It made me miss the old scheme so much more...


User currently offlineMcoov From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 59779 times:

Oh...wow...I, uhh...oof...um...yeah...that's uhh...that's...just...just no. Alright? No!
I may not like US Airway's paint, but I definitely don't want those A320s getting painted into this.

[Edited 2013-06-21 13:14:19]

User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 60163 times:

An Airbus with AMERICAN written on it is just wrong...

User currently offlineTristan7977 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61112 times:

When all of those windows go down... Everyone's going to be like "WOW!!! It doesn't look that bad after all!!"


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User currently offlineDC9super80 From Denmark, joined May 2013, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61595 times:

It looks like a freighter A319F  

User currently onlinePEK777 From China, joined Jun 2012, 176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 62424 times:

the horror..........

User currently offlineArcrftlvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 62282 times:

Quoting Tristan7977 (Reply 26):
When all of those windows go down

You mean when the shades are pulled down? Because they are already pulled down. Perhaps when they're opened and the windows appear darker, it MAY look better. But, it's doubtful.


User currently offlinejagflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61951 times:

It looks very short, almost like an A318. It might be the paint scheme.


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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61959 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
This is awful. American wanted to look unique. It looks uniquely horrific.

Yeah, but it's still unique, right? Blech....

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 9):
A bit off topic but another new aircraft has been spotted in the new AA livery:

How can one plane look awesome and the other look so horrible?

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19):
Okay.. that 319 looks "stumpy" and just off-sized.. but the E75 looks good (except for that Gawd Aweful tail livery)...  

This livery makes the A319 look like the A318, short and stumpy. Had they limited the tail scheme to the tail only, it would look much better on most planes. The planes would look longer and sleeker.



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User currently offlineAirbusGeek From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61974 times:

Oh no! I can't watch! Somebody gouge my eyes out please, I beg you! It is hideous, they got rid of a classic livery which was one of America's icons. It only looks good on American Eagle. In the AA/US merger, they should keep the US livery (must admit I think it is beautiful!) with American titles! American you have the most horrendous paint job in the skies!  vomit 

[Edited 2013-06-21 13:27:42]


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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 61727 times:

What is that near the top of the tail? Upper left in the blue?

This livery is probably why Kim and Kanye named their baby after Northwest and not AA



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User currently offlineNeutronStar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61605 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 1):


Absolutely terrible. And the A319 is a good looking plane, otherwise. This is a complete disaster, and should be banned from the sky. Ugly, ugly, ugly.


User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 980 posts, RR: 18
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61455 times:
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It looks like a mouse walked over and ate big chunks of cheese. Ugly! Who approved this disaster? And when will Airbus make an aircraft (except A330/340) that has a decent looking nose section? I can't decide if A320, A350, or A380 is uglier.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61614 times:

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 33):
What is that near the top of the tail? Upper left in the blue?

German flag. Required due to D- registration, I understand.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 31):
Had they limited the tail scheme to the tail only, it would look much better on most planes.

You've got a point there. It's like floor to ceiling curtains. No one does that these days. In a modern design it looks dumpy.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61762 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
Its Here Finally! The American A319!

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Please turn it OFF!!!   

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4):
Will the outside-facing surfaces of the window shades be painted to establish a bit more continuity of the livery?

It would look better if the window shades were up.


I have to agree with some of the other posters who said the E75 looks better than the 319.


User currently offlinenwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 693 posts, RR: 13
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61365 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
What a disaster. Oversized tail artwork, with the bullet holes in the logo and billboard titles really obvious. Would someone please save this monstrosity from our skies?

Please and thank you.

[quote=N328KF,reply=5]This is awful. American wanted to look unique. It looks uniquely horrific. I know they had to change due to increasing numbers of CFRP aircraft, but they could have gone with another look.[/quote
LOL Couldnt have said it better.

On the big birds it looks OK... on the smaller aircraft this livery is horrendous. AMERICAN titles are waaaaaay to big, which in turn makes the aircraft look stubby and the tail is just well... a mess. God I hope Doug Parker saves us from looking at this in the future. Theres a lot of US airbuses that will look like this eventually, plus all of the AA orders. Yuck. I know liveries are not a priority, but good grief maybe they could use a better livery at a lower cost and justify it that way.



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User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 2003 posts, RR: 21
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61324 times:

Looks great! Especially with the sharklets.

User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61324 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 9):

I agree, it just looks stumpy, maybe the angle of it. I think the american eagle in that livery in that picture looks fantastic. Hopefully, with the longer a320 and 321, it won't nearly awful as it does here.

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 25):

couldn't agree more.


User currently onlineUA735WL From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61658 times:

Awful...the 320 family is (IMO) already not much to look at, but this takes the cake. Not to mention that an Airbus with "American" written on the side is the a.net equivalent of an oxymoron...

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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13529 posts, RR: 100
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61580 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
with the bullet holes in the logo and billboard titles

That just looks wrong...

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 9):
A bit off topic but another new aircraft has been spotted in the new AA livery:

That livery, taking otu the 'bullet holes,' looks much better.   

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
Is it just me or does it look tail-heavy?

Yes, the new AA livery on small aircraft is too much 'aft color.' It makes the aircraft look tail heavy on narrowbodies.


I'm normally not into livery that much... but this one is definitely a fail.

Quoting AirbusGeek (Reply 32):
Oh no! I can't watch! Somebody gouge my eyes out please,

   It is that bad...

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 31):
How can one plane look awesome and the other look so horrible?

"bullet holes" really mess up the livery.

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User currently offlineJalap From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61580 times:

The angle in which it was shot and the telescopic lens used probably didn't help making the plane look pretty. Surely more attractive shots will come out soon.

Nonetheless, it'll never look like this:
http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/14/dbfbbc17-79a0-4d33-9e19-a8307cc607a7.Full.jpg


User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5122 posts, RR: 28
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61130 times:

I like it! Never thought I would see AA with a 319/320!


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User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61133 times:

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 35):

That is a discussion for a whole different thread. But I definitely agree. At first, I didn't really like the new AA scheme, it just was sad to see the classy, historic livery and scheme come to an end. Now, when I have finally gotten to like it, I have to see this?!?!


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11569 posts, RR: 52
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 61094 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 42):
Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
Is it just me or does it look tail-heavy?

Yes, the new AA livery on small aircraft is too much 'aft color.' It makes the aircraft look tail heavy on narrowbodies.

I did not write that.



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User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 576 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 60847 times:

I´ll disagree here. I don´t mind this A319 so much. My biggest gripe with AA´s new livery is the rather large, featureless and bland grey fuselage. On the A319 we don´t get so much of it, and, at least in this picture, the fuselage looks more silver than grey.

The E175, on the other hand, does look grey.... is it the picture? Or is the finnish different?

Quoting Jalap (Reply 43):

Now, THAT looks good.


User currently offlinendiesel From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 60249 times:

Well all the window shades are down, so no wonder it looks freighter-ish.

Then again. It's just wrong.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 60116 times:

Here it is. Many thought we would never see another Airbus in AA's livery. Looks like WN will be the only major with an all Boeing fleet.


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4780 posts, RR: 19
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 59775 times:

Can anyone do a photoshop of how it would look in their old, classic livery ?


I bet it would look great.



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User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 980 posts, RR: 18
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 60201 times:
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The only AA aircraft that looks half-decent in this new livery is a B763 and smaller regional jets. The rest is not good.


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[Edited 2013-06-21 14:18:45]


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4780 posts, RR: 19
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 59247 times:

It really is a terrible paint scheme, don't know what they were thinking.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 59333 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
The only plane I've seen this livery work acceptably well on are the T-tailed regional jets.

It's okay on the 777s also, but on the 319 it's apparently a disaster.

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
Now see, that looks a lot better, mostly because they didn't put the titles across the windows. That was a major failure on the 319 livery.

You'll notice that the titles are also more proportional to the fuselage. The other (IMO most glaring) problem with the 319's titles is that they start too far back because of the flight symbol, which doesn't stand out against the fuselage as well and so gets missed by the eye.

Compare a similar angle with a Finnair 319 (a livery with a similar approach to the titles):


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Photo © Teemu Pesonen



The Finnair titles start much further forward, and they're also much larger so that they're more in proportion to the fuselage. AA's titles just look lost - too far back to be identified with the front of the plane, but not far back enough to look like they connect with the whole fuselage. And it looks hideous.

If they put the flight symbol directly over the door and moved the titles up accordingly, then they might have something decent.

Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 15):
This livery makes the aircraft look shorter than it is.

  

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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7644 posts, RR: 8
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 58842 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 49):
Here it is. Many thought we would never see another Airbus in AA's livery. Looks like WN will be the only major with an all Boeing fleet.

Which is shocking when considers that the prevailing opinion is that Americans and anti-Airbus, the mind boggles  


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 58661 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 49):


Here it is. Many thought we would never see another Airbus in AA's livery. Looks like WN will be the only major with an all Boeing fleet.

Alaska Airlines is an all Boeing Fleet and proudly wears the signage on the nose of their planes.

I won't judge until I see it in person but it did strike me as odd at first and did remind me of F9's bulletin title.

The E175 looks SO much better in that livery for sure.

The A321 will probably look better too as it allows AMERICAN to be stretched out a bit more.

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User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 57728 times:

I'll wait until I a) see it with the shades up, and b) see it in direct sunlight before I pass my final judgment. I'm willing to bet that at a different angle, it looks ten times better. I still miss the traditional eagle and I think the absence of the "AA" from the brand is a terrible mistake, especially when the tail is what it is now - but otherwise, it'll do the job.

User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 57927 times:

AA choosed this livery, live with it or is it becouse its Airbus?

Jeezzuuuz  



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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 57761 times:

A plane that only a mother could love. I thought that perhaps over time, I might get use to it..........NOPE! Still one of the most hideous liveries ever conjured up.


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User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 57091 times:
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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 57260 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 58):
AA choosed this livery, live with it or is it becouse its Airbus?

Jeezzuuuz  

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Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 56940 times:
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It doesn't look that bad, but I do agree with the comments above that say it would look better if the logo was painted on the door and the titles were moved forward.

Nothing beats the old livery for sure. Is it possible to use the same technique they did on the A300 to give it a bare metal look?



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 56874 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 58):
AA choosed this livery, live with it or is it becouse its Airbus?

Jeezzuuuz

Any look in the 100 other threads there has been about the AA livery will tell you most people here at A.net hate it no matter what manufacturer the aircraft is from.


User currently offlineQANTASvJet From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 56565 times:

Is anybody organising an online petition or any other action to try to push the new management to stop this car crash? I cannot think of another livery in aviation history that is this bad. A few hundred thousand signatures, perhaps many more, some powerful press coverage, and this coffin with wings would be pushed back into the hanger. I can't do it because I'm not an American - please please somebody over there step up to the plate! Thanks

User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 56357 times:

Quoting QANTASvJet (Reply 65):

Is anybody organising an online petition or any other action to try to push the new management to stop this car crash? I cannot think of another livery in aviation history that is this bad. A few hundred thousand signatures, perhaps many more, some powerful press coverage, and this coffin with wings would be pushed back into the hanger. I can't do it because I'm not an American - please please somebody over there step up to the plate! Thanks

There was one when the livery first came out. Not sure what happened with that though...

I already said that it looks ok in my previous post, but I think its best to wait for a better photo to make better judgement. I know some still wont like it even then...

[Edited 2013-06-21 15:03:49]


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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3078 posts, RR: 52
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 56371 times:
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Quoting QANTASvJet (Reply 65):
Is anybody organising an online petition or any other action to try to push the new management to stop this car crash? I cannot think of another livery in aviation history that is this bad. A few hundred thousand signatures, perhaps many more, some powerful press coverage, and this coffin with wings would be pushed back into the hanger. I can't do it because I'm not an American - please please somebody over there step up to the plate! Thanks

I wasn't all gung ho about the new livery when it was unveiled, but when I saw it in person, it changed my opinion quite a bit. i've had two flights on aircraft wearing the new livery (738 and 772) and it was a real treat to see it close up before boarding. The 77W of course looked outstanding in the new livery as well, parked right next to our 772 at DFW.

However, I still much prefer the old bare metal livery.



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User currently offlineAirCalSNA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 56263 times:

The livery itself is nice, but the bullet holes in the title and eagle are awful.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13529 posts, RR: 100
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 56121 times:
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Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 39):

Looks great! Especially with the sharklets.
Quoting F9animal (Reply 44):
I like it!

There will be a whiz quiz. And warning, whatever you're smoking has some odd side effects gentlemen...

Quoting Jalap (Reply 43):
Nonetheless, it'll never look like this:

I didn't realize how much I'd pine for the 'old coke' livery... Bring it back. Please. I sinned... I should never have asked for an AA livery update. Please bring back the old livery after the merger AMR...

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 51):
The only AA aircraft that looks half-decent in this new livery is a B763

That looked fine. No wonder its on the billboards...

Quoting solnabo (Reply 58):
AA choosed this livery, live with it or is it becouse its Airbus?

Its the bullet holes in the livery. The A319 is a bit stubby, but not an ugly airframe. Put the logo through a grater and oversize the tail image, and its just ugly on a narrowbody. The E-jet looks better as they shrank the wording to eliminate the 'bullet holes.'

As noted:

Quoting AirCalSNA (Reply 68):
but the bullet holes in the title and eagle are awful.

  

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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 55822 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 56):

AA was not a loyal Boeing customer. They bought Douglas aircraft whenever possible as well. If anything, AA has been consistently a split manufacturer airline. Boeing thought that by buying MD they would lock up the loyal Douglas customers. Instead, those customers are now looking to Airbus to avoid the pitfalls of a single supplier.



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 55731 times:

Ugly ugly ugly duckling that will never turn into a swan. I can't stand this paint scheme and cannot believe how bad it looks on the 319. The RJs are slightly tolerable but this is hideous

User currently offlinecomairguycvg From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 55794 times:

Projectile vomit! But you know what, if that plane came to ATL today, I would be the first to grab the camera just because it's so different. AA's first 319 in new colors, with sharklets. But I would still make sure I had a barf bag strapped to my mouth as I was shooting.  

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 55532 times:

I like the way the Embraer looks in this livery. I like it as in "I'd happily buy a model airplane for my bookshelf". Sadly the same thing cannot be said of the A319. It is just awkward.


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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3626 posts, RR: 6
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 55336 times:

Its cute!! I like it like the runt of the litter

User currently onlineUA735WL From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 55314 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 70):

You are comparing apples to oranges. LH has had a split fleet for years & has not been completely loyal to the aircraft manufacturers of any one nation . AA's Airbus order is somewhat shocking to many folks in the US because (unlike LH) AA has traditionally shown loyalty to US manufacturers when selecting their mainline fleet. I am sorry if it came off as if I was Airbus bashing-that was not my intention. I just find the image of an AA A319 rather ironic.

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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 54725 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 67):
AA was not a loyal Boeing customer.

Yeah they sure were. You are forgetting that AA signed an exclusive agreement with Boeing in the early 90s, until it was invalidated as part of the EU settlement for the McD merger.

Until now when was the last time that AA bought a non-Boeing airplane? Like the 1980s maybe?


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3338 posts, RR: 6
Reply 74, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 54456 times:
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Wow, I was finally growing to like the livery (ok, like the fuselage and tolerate the tail) but this a319 just negated any progress I had made. The E-175 looks great, in reference to its proportionality, but the a319 just looks plain bad. No need to get fancy with the words. Just bad.


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User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 54315 times:

I think it looks good. Whatever floats your boat.

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User currently offlinejetmarc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 54237 times:

The A319 looks truncated because of the tail design extending too far below the tail. If they only painted the tail fin, it wouldn't look so stubby. I'm surprised their brand team is okay with a giant hole smack dab in the middle of their flight wing symbol logo thing.


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User currently offlinesanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 53725 times:

That thing is hideous! It looks like they haven't even started painting it lol.

User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 53783 times:

I have 3 family members who work for AA and have 25+ years seniority, they and their friends where talking and i overheard them say that they were disappointed with the livery when they saw it,but once they got to see it in person it was absolutely Beautiful and they fell in love with it, so i have a feeling that while time progresses and more people have the opportunity to see it, opinions were change. I myself liked it from the start,I love when airlines that are named after their home country take pride and show it on their aircraft, the old one was obsolete and was nothing but a title and 3 strips,Boring.

So guys american wanted to put a flag on the plane but they weren't gonna coat all planes with it so they chose the tail, and lets be honest here, you cant put a RECTANGLE shaped flag onto a RIGHT TRIANGLE without it looking cheesy,and i think american did a really great job with it,the only airline who has been successful at pulling off a flag coated tail with all the details is obviously Swiss, its simple an easy. another carrier is BA but they only used partial the tail and AA wanted to go big and use the entire tail .So don't be complaining if their aren't any stars or small details because the american flag doesn't fit the shape and has to many details to fit onto the tail for it to be perfect. because they cant do it they wanted to fit as much as they can.

Quoting D L X (Reply 10):
Now see, that looks a lot better, mostly because they didn't put the titles across the windows. That was a major failure on the 319 livery.

I disagree, when you have a whole lotta plane to cover it always looks better if you actually use the space, why put tiny subtitles at the very front when you can use so much more space,this is what i really loved about frontier they used the entire plane,but once they put a URL code on the livery it was completely ruined,no plane should have a URL printed on it,even if its a winglet. (hint hint WN)


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 79, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 53215 times:

some of the overreactions on here are just a tad humorous. We get it if you don't like it. Personally, it doesn't bother me, yes I liked the old livery but American has been due for a change and a new look for a long time.

User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2328 posts, RR: 9
Reply 80, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 52934 times:

When there is a thread about a particular Aircraft paint scheme and it gathers 80 replys in a matter of hours, you know there is something wrong.

The good thing about all this new image branding American did, is that when they change it again in the NEAR future, they will be used as an example of major failure on rebranding a Legacy carrier.

TRB

(that 319 looks like a 318)



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2476 posts, RR: 24
Reply 81, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 52469 times:

I think it looks okay. Would like to see it from other angles as well.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 82, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 52183 times:

I'm just glad AA will be getting the A319 as it offers up the possibility of mainline returning to some routes that have gone RJ.

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 83, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 51991 times:

I've seen the livery in person a number of times... definitely hasn't grown on me... that 319 looks even worse!


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User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 84, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 51700 times:

What I don't get is why doesn't the new JL livery get as much hate. IMO it's the laziest livery of modern times. Eurowhite is fine if you pull it off the way AY does. In contrast AA's new livery is just stunning in person. Something about how it looks on the screen doesn't work. I wonder if the bulletholes in the 319 are less pronounced in real life? Agree they look pathetic on the screen but I'll reserve final judgement until I see it in person.

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 51690 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):

with the bullet holes in the logo and billboard titles really obvious.

Keep in mind that the only reason why that looks so obvious in this picture is because the window shades are down. When the shades are lifted, it will look much less obvious. No one mentions this issue when discussing the livery for B6, F9, G4, or any other carrier with large billboard titles.

[Edited 2013-06-21 16:56:45]

User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 86, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 51406 times:

Hmmm...wasn't a real fan of the new livery from the start, but after seeing a couple of "regulation size" ac in real life, I can *live with it*.

But NOT this guy. Sorry, but it simply looks like an airliner modeler mispositioned the wrong scale decals on his/her plastic kit build. A no-buy for me. regards...jack



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User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 980 posts, RR: 18
Reply 87, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 51445 times:
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Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 83):
I've seen the livery in person a number of times... definitely hasn't grown on me

I've seen new livery at ORD quite a few times and I wanted to like it, but just can't. I have to admit that the tail design looks interesting from a few feet away, but once you see the whole aircraft something is just wrong. I've seen it in rainy weather, sunny weather, during the day, at night... Just doesn't do it.



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User currently offlineasuflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 51338 times:

I still think they should have put the 'flight symbol' on the tail instead of the stylized flag.



If you look closely at the picture Embraer 175, it isn't even painted correctly. The first red stripe at the top of the tail is thinner than all the other red stripes. Clearly the designers had difficulty or did not scale the logo properly and the text correctly on each aircraft.


User currently offlinenwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 693 posts, RR: 13
Reply 89, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 50369 times:

Quoting asuflyer (Reply 88):
I still think they should have put the 'flight symbol' on the tail instead of the stylized flag.

Agree completely! Additionally, making the American titles smaller and putting them above the windows to avoid the bullet hole sensation would be nice. The font size they use on the Eagle EMB aircraft seems fitting, too bad they cant do that on mainline. Good Grief, that might be a halfway good looking paint job if they did that (and maybe add some color to the engines or at least the winglets/tips)



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User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 49498 times:

Damn, I think that actually looks pretty sweet on the 319.

User currently offlineA36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 49528 times:

Obviously detail at American HQ isn't a strong point . Placing the LOGO on a aircraft where there will be HOLE through it....derrr! Come on American, you should know better than most that the logo is one of the most important parts of your brand and should be treated a little better or at least thought of a little better.

I am a fan of the new livery as the old livery was out dated and a change is always good, however to just paint the same livery on every aircraft type without taking into account each aircraft shape (meaning window line, window location, wing, tail size and fuselage bulk/size and then adjusting the livery accordingly) tells me the marketing department is run by 15 year olds! or god forbid 28 year olds just out of uni who think they know it all!

You don't see BA with a window in the middle of their crest, or KLM with a window in the middle of their crown, or Qantas with the legs chopped off their Kangaroo (they adjusted the roo because of the A380).

What's the saying: The devil is in the DETAIL!!  


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 92, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 48846 times:

When I first saw the new livery I thought the fuselage looked great, while the tail was hideous. Now, with the bullet holes across the logo and the titles, I'm not sure what I despise more, the tail or the fuselage...


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User currently onlineB747400ERF From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 48641 times:

I've never liked the new American livery and still don't. I've always thought that the best tail logo would be the little Eagle and red and blue stripe they have in front of the words American, rather than an obnoxious strangely designed American flag.

User currently offlineozark1 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 94, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 48469 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
What a disaster
Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
This is hideous.

Thank goodness i'm close to retirement. I have tried, so hard, to like the livery but it is impossible. I think what makes it more tolerable on the RJ is the font is smaller. Looks a tad classier if that's possible. Still hoping Doug might save us from this elementary school art class disaster.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 95, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 48258 times:

Does anyone know the first ERJ175 will be delivered to American Eagle and what the delivery routing will be?

Cheers,

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 96, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 48027 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 78):
I disagree, when you have a whole lotta plane to cover it always looks better if you actually use the space, why put tiny subtitles at the very front when you can use so much more space,this is what i really loved about frontier they used the entire plane

Frontier did use the entire plane, and it looked good. But AA did not use the entire plane - they decided to use 2/5ths of it, and worse, they decided to not start the titles at the front. It just looks shoddy.

-Mir



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User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3338 posts, RR: 6
Reply 97, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 47914 times:
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Quoting EricR (Reply 85):

Because they don't have logos on the side of their aircraft, just lettering (except G4, but their logo doesn't really go through the windows).



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User currently offlineAllegiantFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 47825 times:

Quoting A36001 (Reply 91):
tells me the marketing department is run by 15 year olds! or god forbid 28 year olds just out of uni who think they know it all!

Well AA said they wanted to turn modern,and lets be honest,there is nobody more modern on this planet than us 15 year olds hahaha. Plus since the american people keep voting to cut funding education its not our fault.

On another note the old metal livery/logo/brand holds a sad sad past of : a total of some of the most deadly 26 incidents and accidents, two of which were hijacked. Bad Customer service. Low employee pay. MASSIVE layoffs. the closing of 5 hubs. And of course, the bankruptcy. So it really was the better option for them to start building the reputation that they had lost, so they ditched the negative brand.


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 99, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 47926 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
This is hideous
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
with the bullet holes in the logo

Bullet holes, some ramp rash, burned out landing light, and some damaged upholstery, I would feel right at home.  

Okie


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 47566 times:

Ummm bullet holes? You guys realize that the windows shades are down right? And how does that make it any different to Any other aircraft in the new AA livery? They all have the "bullet holes". I guess no one else noticed:


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 101, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 47325 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 100):
I guess no one else noticed

People noticed all right, if you go back into the old livery threads. It's just far more pronounced in this photo, so we're talking about it again.



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User currently offlineAA77W From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 46749 times:

I looked at the picture and had to stare at it for a good 15-20 seconds to realize that it is not an American Eagle airplane. It just looks so . . . small and underwhelming. Oh well, hopefully it'll grow on me.

User currently offlineDrmlnr1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 46525 times:

The 319 in AA livery looks rather short. It's good to see the first AA A319. The first AE E175 looks sharp. Can't wait to see the first 787 and 321 in this scheme.


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User currently offlineBA0197 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2011, 333 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 46591 times:

This could have been much better:

1. Place the flight symbol on door L1 then start the titles where the flight symbol currently stands
2. Make the font smaller and utilize the space up until the wing of the aircraft.
3. Make the font smaller
4. Perhaps lower the titles to make it look ala BA.


User currently offlinemultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 46826 times:

An A319 can look striking with a gunmetal grey fuselage (see below) but AA makes it look awful.


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5939 posts, RR: 5
Reply 106, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 46179 times:

Quoting A36001 (Reply 91):
I am a fan of the new livery as the old livery was out dated and a change is always good, however to just paint the same livery on every aircraft type without taking into account each aircraft shape (meaning window line, window location, wing, tail size and fuselage bulk/size and then adjusting the livery accordingly) tells me the marketing department is run by 15 year olds! or god forbid 28 year olds just out of uni who think they know it all!

You don't see BA with a window in the middle of their crest, or KLM with a window in the middle of their crown, or Qantas with the legs chopped off their Kangaroo

That's actually a good point. The reason that the A319 looks so bad is because the livery isn't proportional to the size of the aircraft. It almost looks like they took the 73H decals and slapped them on the side. With a bit of thought a decent designer could right-size the titles, flight symbol etc so they look good on an individual aircraft, but still have a uniform product.

Garpd says something along the lines that when designing a livery you should design it for everything from an CRJ to an A380. In this case, I feel that AA designed it for the 73H and 77W and forget everything else, as IMHO even the 772 looks a bit "squished".

Still, since you mentioned airlines that got it "right", in the interests of fairness i should say that the QF A332s look terrible. The seemingly A380 sized titles look ridiculous in comparison to the 737s/747s/380s in the same titles.



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User currently offlineBurj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 901 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 45818 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 78):
you cant put a RECTANGLE shaped flag onto a RIGHT TRIANGLE without it looking cheesy,and i think american did a really great job with it,the only airline who has been successful at pulling off a flag coated tail with all the details is obviously Swiss, its simple an easy.

Actually PK's current livery does a pretty good job of putting a stylized Pakistani flag on their tails....basically they rotate it...

Livery:
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/2/0/4/1679402.jpg

Flag:
http://www.mega-flags.com/images/Flag_Pakistani.jpg


User currently onlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3143 posts, RR: 10
Reply 108, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 45293 times:

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 12):
Hope a lot of people were fired for coming up with the scheme.

Clearly an afterthought and no payment should be made for whomever came up with this.

Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 22):
This livery in general is a tragedy.

It lacks significant design and enough color.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 51):
It really is a terrible paint scheme, don't know what they were thinking.

No one was thinking about anything. Hey what kind of a paint job do you expect for five dollars.


User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 45254 times:

Sorry to me the new livery looks like a military jet got mixed up with a civilian airliner . Not good at all.


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User currently offlineWesternDC6B From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days ago) and read 44563 times:
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The new scheme just... doesn't work on a 319. While it is not the greatest livery in the first place, it seems to work on other aircraft. Just not this one. At ALL.


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User currently offlineWesternDC6B From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days ago) and read 44509 times:
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Quoting foppishbum (Reply 11):
Is it just me or does it look tail-heavy?

It looks very tail-heavy.



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User currently offlinesoftrally From Canada, joined Mar 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 43695 times:

The A319 looks horrendous in the new AA livery. It just doesn't look right. Everything is simply out of scale.


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User currently offlineA36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 43764 times:

Quoting AllegiantFlyer (Reply 98):

haha good point..  
Quoting asuflyer (Reply 88):

That's one of the options I like, though would be better if the Logo and title were placed above the window line to avoid the bullet hole effect. Frontier can get away with it as their font is large and bold enough to carry it, similar to Easyjet.  


User currently offlineA36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 43595 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 106):

True, the titles looks to big on the A330's, needs to be one size smaller, the 767's are perfect in my view. I think the A330 fleet are using the 747 size titles?....maybe they should be using the 767/787 size?,  

oopss sorry got a little distracted...back to American  


User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 43395 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
What a disaster.
Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
This is hideous.
Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
This is awful... It looks uniquely horrific.
Quoting Woody1974 (Reply 6):
FUGLY...
Quoting N766UA (Reply 13):
Still not a fan of the livery
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 19):
that Gawd Aweful tail livery
Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 22):
This livery in general is a tragedy
Quoting Mcoov (Reply 23):
Oh...wow...I, uhh...oof...um...yeah...that's uhh...that's...just...just no.
Quoting PEK777 (Reply 27):
the horror...
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 30):
Blech...
Quoting AirbusGeek (Reply 31):
It is hideous
Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 33):
Absolutely terrible
Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 34):
Ugly! Who approved this disaster?
Quoting bohica (Reply 36):
Please turn it OFF!!!
Quoting nwcoflyer (Reply 37):
God I hope Doug Parker saves us from looking at this in the future.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 41):
I'm normally not into livery that much... but this one is definitely a fail.
Quoting ndiesel (Reply 47):
It's just wrong.
Quoting Max Q (Reply 51):
It really is a terrible paint scheme, don't know what they were thinking.
Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 57):
A plane that only a mother could love... Still one of the most hideous liveries ever conjured up.
Quoting QANTASvJet (Reply 62):
I cannot think of another livery in aviation history that is this bad.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 66):
I didn't realize how much I'd pine for the 'old coke' livery... Bring it back. Please. I sinned... I should never have asked for an AA livery update. Please bring back the old livery after the merger AMR...
Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 68):
Ugly ugly ugly duckling that will never turn into a swan.
Quoting comairguycvg (Reply 69):
Projectile vomit!
Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 80):
an example of major failure on rebranding a Legacy carrier.
Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 83):
definitely hasn't grown on me...
Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 87):
I wanted to like it, but just can't.
Quoting B747400ERF (Reply 93):
I've never liked the new American livery and still don't.
Quoting ozark1 (Reply 94):
I have tried, so hard, to like the livery but it is impossible.
Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 108):
no payment should be made for whomever came up with this.
Quoting nzrich (Reply 109):
Not good at all.

Time to replace the SCREAMING REDNECK livery!!


User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 43234 times:

Quoting asuflyer (Reply 88):

I still think they should have put the 'flight symbol' on the tail instead of the stylized flag.


I like this a lot. Big improvement. I would make three slight changes to it:

1. Move the titling to above the window line
2. Choose a darker shade of blue for the flight symbol
3. Select a silver metallic paint vs flat gunship gray


User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 43267 times:

Good Lord, that is one ugly AAss plane!!!   


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User currently offlineTristan7977 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 42256 times:

This is so odd.....

I honestly don't see why people aren't liking this livery.... There aren't really any pictures for the time being so that's probably one reason why.

It looks really nice in my opinion. It kind of reminds me of NWA with their grey fuselages, which I miss. Accept it's missing the red tail. Overall though I like it!!

And as I said previously, once those shades are down, it's going to look great!! (Maybe, or maybe not)
And most people aren't going to care about the livery so even if us aviation geeks don't like it, AA aint gonna give a damn.



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 119, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 42171 times:

Maybe once Parker sees this, that will be enough to convince him to change/modify the livery once the merger goes through.

User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3845 posts, RR: 11
Reply 120, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 42109 times:

Quoting asuflyer (Reply 88):
I still think they should have put the 'flight symbol' on the tail instead of the stylized flag.

That looks nice.

Now, move the title to somewhere it's not full of window holes, maybe scale it down a bit, and boom, winner.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 121, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 42085 times:

Quoting Tristan7977 (Reply 118):
And most people aren't going to care about the livery so even if us aviation geeks don't like it, AA aint gonna give a damn.

Sure they will. Would you want to be part of the crew for Butt Ugly Airlines? Company management understands what one's image means for developing morale. Well, at least they used to at AA.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12879 posts, RR: 46
Reply 122, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 41639 times:
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That's a sweet looking plane!

Quoting Jalap (Reply 42):
Nonetheless, it'll never look like this:

Thank goodness.

Quoting F9animal (Reply 43):
I like it! Never thought I would see AA with a 319/320!

Yes, it's a cold slap across the face for all the "American will never buy another Airbus" 'experts'.

Quoting rj777 (Reply 119):
Maybe once Parker sees this, that will be enough to convince him to change/modify the livery once the merger goes through.

Dream on. It's here to stay. Time to move on.



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User currently offlinebrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 123, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 41332 times:

Well, the new livery has succeeded in one way. We are all talking about AA...


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 124, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 39637 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 54):
Alaska Airlines is an all Boeing Fleet and proudly wears the signage on the nose of their planes.

Embarrassing. I dont know how I forgot about AS. A proud all Boeing operator.



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 39378 times:

That livery wont help, it´s putting makeup on a pig  

User currently offlineJohnwaynebobbet From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 39255 times:

That looks awful. They should adapt the font to make it sit better in the windows and do something with that tail.

User currently offlinecv990coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 38077 times:
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Great plane but it looks awful. The AC logo looks impressive but something must be done to tweak this. I'm sure that the AA pax will enjoy the comfort and extra space of the 319, but close your eyes when you board.


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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 128, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 38086 times:

That AA livery is awful and lacks dignity. It is an insult to the A319.

What was wrong with the old livery? It was much better than this.


User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 37940 times:

I think she looks pretty smart! Great to see Airbus making more of a splash in the US.

The new colour scheme is slowly growing on me tbh. Good job AA!


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 130, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 37506 times:

It's a crappy livery regardless of the type it's on.


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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 131, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 37301 times:

Quoting Tristan7977 (Reply 118):
It kind of reminds me of NWA with their grey fuselages, which I miss. Accept it's missing the red tail. Overall though I like it!!

NWA's final livery was beautiful, a classic. A shade of silver-gray that took on different hues depending on the light... a lovely golden hue during sunsets, for example. One of the best liveries ever. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen, This AA livery, sir, is no NWA!



User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 36736 times:

Gosh I think this is more an excuse to bash Airbus than bash the livery...

So what if it has American on the aircraft? A lot of the parts are made in the US. Maybe the same could be said for Air Europa painted on a 738.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 36657 times:

I think this livery is ugly on any aircraft, just a bit uglier on A319 than on some longer aircraft.


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User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 36614 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 130):
It's a crappy livery regardless of the type it's on.

Agree with you to one aircraft, the 763 that I catch in ZRH some time ago I think on there it looks good. There others are simply not my taste as mentioned enough above.

A good thing they don't have any A380 with that livery   



User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1835 posts, RR: 9
Reply 135, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 36297 times:

Personally, I think it looks quite smart on the Airbus A319... for those of you that would like to view the photo in larger, the photographer, Boris Metal has uploaded a photo here.

User currently offlineBN747DFWHNL From United States of America, joined May 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 35835 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
Nonetheless, it'll never look like this:

Can't they just paint one "retro" plane in those colors now?

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 23):
Oh...wow...I, uhh...oof...um...yeah...that's uhh...that's...just...just no.

That says it all, right there.

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 117):
that is one ugly AAss plane!

 

[Edited 2013-06-22 04:48:33]

User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 137, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 35424 times:

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 135):
Personally, I think it looks quite smart on the Airbus A319... for those of you that would like to view the photo in larger, the photographer, Boris Metal has uploaded a photo here.

Thanks, was looking for a larger photo. My view of it hasn't changed, I still think it looks ok.



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User currently offlineAirMatt From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 34826 times:

As the tail design grows on me, I like that AA doesn't look like every other airline livery out there! There is no doubt what airline this is when seen from a distance. Perhaps that was the goal.

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5478 posts, RR: 31
Reply 139, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 34618 times:

It seems AA gave the livery design and approval jobs to blind monkeys.


What the...?
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2984 posts, RR: 13
Reply 140, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 34549 times:
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Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 15):

I was never a fan of this livery. The day I saw it first was on a 777-300 where at least the over done tail didn't eat the entire plane. On the A319 it looks like Uncle Sam's Private Jet.

I am total agreement that the brief to FutureaBrand should have been "we want to look like THE flag carrier of America" but this is just WAY TOO MUCH. Imagine 787 windows going through the title.!?



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 141, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 34262 times:

The livery reminds me of the DL Aeroflot livery, especially the tail (it's too busy). That livery didn't last long, hopefully this one won't either with the pending merger.


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 142, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 34002 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 132):
Gosh I think this is more an excuse to bash Airbus than bash the livery...

Nope

Its the perfect storm of

25% AA haters (It's AA - so it has to be bad)

and:

50% Logo haters (Those who think the logo is hideous)

combining together with a sprinkling of

25% Boeing Fanboyz (Hell hath no fury more than a fanboy jilted by American)



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 143, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 33778 times:

Generally, I think the new livery looks good.


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User currently offlineAirbusGeek From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 33818 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 142):

Got it in one! I am:

A) American Airlines hater!

and

B) A logo hater! They got rid of a symbol of America!

Which makes me a 75% hater according to you!



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User currently offlineAirbusGeek From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33422 times:

It is an insult to America people! Open your eyes! Oh wait, I can't cause it is distarous!


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User currently offlineAztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33286 times:

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 32):
What is that near the top of the tail? Upper left in the blue?

That is the German flag.

Looking at the photo, I was thinking somethings that could effect the look. The angle of the photo as well as the composition of the photo could effect the look.

Also, if the upper management looks at this plane and does not like the look, could they change the following planes?

As with anything, seeing it in photos is one thing and seeing it in pictures is a different animal.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13529 posts, RR: 100
Reply 147, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 33337 times:
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Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 117):

Good Lord, that is one ugly AAss plane!!!

  

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 142):
50% Logo haters (Those who think the logo is hideous)

I thought the logo was fine on the 763ER. Its those dang bulletholes. It truly is a redneck livery with them.

And I'm of Scottish decent and proud of it! But this is the livery of those who proudly display their old washer and drier on the front lawn! (With bullet holes too...)

Quoting VC10er (Reply 140):
Imagine 787 windows going through the title.!?

I hope like the e-jets they move the title below the window belt...


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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32436 times:

How is it that the New AA livery looks so good on the Boeing 737-800 and yet so terrible on this A319? (and I'm an Airbus fanboy to whom the A319 nearly always looks great). Its a pity they haven't done anything interesting (livery wise) with the Sharkets.

Incremental changes I would make would be to make the titles say 'American Airlines' rather than just 'American' ('American' on its own looks tacky), make the titles slightly more bold, continue the flag thing on the tail all the way to the bottom of the fuselage.

Overall, I think the new AA livery looks great; lightyears better than the old one which always looked like a dirty, faded mess.



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Reply 149, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32443 times:
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Quoting babybus (Reply 128):

This plane really should not have American written on the side of it. The only thing actually resembling America will be the flag with the registration (provided they don't butcher that, too   ). Many other countries' national carriers' liveries have something to do with the respective country's flag and do it tastefully (i.e. SA, BA, JL, EK, etc). They don't butcher the flag to death and try to stylize it, taking away the most important part of the flag, replacing them with unnessary striping (which, I do have to admit is in a beautiful shade of blue).

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 142):

You got it! I help make up the 50% with the logo haters! 



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User currently onlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3143 posts, RR: 10
Reply 150, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 30150 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 119):
Maybe once Parker sees this, that will be enough to convince him to change/modify the livery

This is best idea yet.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2476 posts, RR: 24
Reply 151, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 29980 times:

One thing I would change is make the tone of the colors on the tail a bit darker to make it look less cartoonish, otherwise I like the livery and the A319 with sharklets looks nice.

[Edited 2013-06-22 09:08:56]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 152, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 29747 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 150):
This is best idea yet.

I think this is the best solution. It doesn't take redoing the entire rebranding campaign. If they moved the titles to below the window line and extended it out to "American Airlines", like "American Eagle" is written on the regional fleet, then put the flight symbol on the tail, it would solve every problem AA currently faces with this livery. I'd throw in a more silver-tone paint job for the fuselage a la Northwest at the same time, but that's just me.



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 153, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 29495 times:

Quoting brons2 (Reply 123):
Well, the new livery has succeeded in one way. We are all talking about AA...

Actually by this metric it is a BIG fail.

One of the objectives of the re-branding initiative was to move away from "AA" and towards "American" since in some parts of the world "AA" was not recognized. Therefore "AA" was removed from the new livery. The fact that "we are all talking about AA" is anecdotal evidence that the re-branding effort failed to meet this objective... at least on a.net.  


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 154, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 28385 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 100):
And how does that make it any different to Any other aircraft in the new AA livery? They all have the "bullet holes". I guess no one else noticed:

Of course we bleeding noticed, they ALL look bad!!!



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User currently offlinevegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 28284 times:

was checking out the new paint in the USA last week and I have to say the livery is really ugly. The body is too gray and the flag is far too obtrusive. Can't believe anyone would pay for this, almost like AA playing a bad joke on US Airways management.

User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 156, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 28023 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 79):
some of the overreactions on here are just a tad humorous. We get it if you don't like it. Personally, it doesn't bother me, yes I liked the old livery but American has been due for a change and a new look for a long time.

I believe that most people would agree with you that we liked the old livery, and AA was due for a new one, and they needed a new look. But given that the new look would allow an all new, clean sheet design, and they had all the possibilities available to them to work with. The fact that this is what they came up with as the best of all possible options is somewhat surprising to most of us.



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User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 157, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 27996 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
What a disaster. Oversized tail artwork, with the bullet holes in the logo and billboard titles really obvious. Would someone please save this monstrosity from our skies?   

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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 158, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 28094 times:

Quoting asuflyer (Reply 88):
I still think they should have put the 'flight symbol' on the tail instead of the stylized flag.
Quoting zkojq (Reply 148):
How is it that the New AA livery looks so good on the Boeing 737-800 and yet so terrible on this A319? (and I'm an Airbus fanboy to whom the A319 nearly always looks great). Its a pity they haven't done anything interesting (livery wise) with the Sharkets.

Why does everyone like the paint on the B738 and not on the A320?
Honestly, I did not like the livery initially. But it slowly grew on me.

Sure its not timeless, but thats the trend nowadays

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 117):
Good Lord, that is one ugly AAss plane!!!

  

Quoting AA94 (Reply 21):
The new livery was growing on me ....

.... until it came to a screeching halt right here.

Haha   

Well I feel the "American" is way too much in "middle". It is almost in middle of the airplane. A little push to the left might have made it look better. Nevertheless, always exciting to see new liveries on the same old' aircraft  



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9229 posts, RR: 76
Reply 159, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 27982 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):

First A319 I have seen with sharklets, they look too big for the airframe relative to the fuselage length.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 160, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 27696 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 158):
Why does everyone like the paint on the B738 and not on the A320?

I don't think "everyone" likes the paint on the 738. I think TWO people like the paint on the 738. The rest of us hate it on both.

That said, the 738 allows for a little more space to work with. The 319 is too jammed in. The titles are crammed in over the wing, half-obscured by the windows and winglets, the tail looks silly, like it was stolen off another airline's jet and glued on… They're all bad, but this is just the worst, that's all.



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User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 757 posts, RR: 3
Reply 161, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 26583 times:

Would everyone just calm down about the livery. They ARE NOT gonna change it because a bunch of aviation nuts feel that it looks like crap. We are a very small minority and probably the only ones besides AA employees that even care.

It may have it's faults but until new CEO Parker says otherwise, they are not gonna change it so just suck it up and accept the fact you will be starring at this for years to come...

-- Rant Over --

Safe to say though that the A319 is the only one that looks a bit odd to me, but then again it may look better in person or in a different angle or light.

All of the others (especially the Eagle aircraft) look great!


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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1724 posts, RR: 2
Reply 162, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 26534 times:

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 135):

Personally, I think it looks quite smart on the Airbus A319... for those of you that would like to view the photo in larger, the photographer, Boris Metal has uploaded a photo here.

Seeing it in a larger picture, I have to say it doesn't look AS bad.

But still horrible...


User currently offlineHH65MAN From Australia, joined Feb 2013, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 26387 times:
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Too much negativity, I am outa here.......

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 164, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 26341 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 153):
The fact that "we are all talking about AA" is anecdotal evidence that the re-branding effort failed to meet this objective... at least on a.net.

Not true. Old habits die hard. All of us on A.net have been calling it AA for many years. That's ingrained in us. What do you expect all of us to look at the new livery photos and wake up the next day and suddenly start calling it "American".

Heck, I still call the SF Giants stadium "Pac Bell" since that was its original name.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5478 posts, RR: 31
Reply 165, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 26193 times:

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 161):
It may have it's faults but until new CEO Parker says otherwise, they are not gonna change it so just suck it up and accept the fact you will be starring at this for years to come...

Suck up nothing...it stinks and the people deserve to be heard. Nobody expects them to change their livery but that's not nearly enough reason to keep quiet about it.

It's an abomination and should be sent back to whatever level of hell from whence it came.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 166, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 26059 times:

First, the fact that the new livery doesn't look that great on the A319 is no reason to ditch it. It looks better on everything else in the fleet, from the Embrear 145 to the 773.

Second, why is everyone upset that AA has the logo and title in billboard size, but no one cares about Ryanair? If you look at a Ryanair 738, there are "bullet holes" in the harp logo and the title. Not that Michael O'Leary would give two hoots that anyone thinks they should change the title and logo to get rid of the "bullet holes."


User currently offlineDUSint From Germany, joined Apr 2013, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 167, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 26187 times:

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 24):
An Airbus with AMERICAN written on it is just wrong...
Quoting UA735WL (Reply 40):
Awful...the 320 family is (IMO) already not much to look at, but this takes the cake. Not to mention that an Airbus with "American" written on the side is the a.net equivalent of an oxymoron...

Maybe only until the moment they open their Mobile FAL?  http://www.airbus.com/company/americas/us/alabama/

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 54):
The A321 will probably look better too as it allows AMERICAN to be stretched out a bit more.

Indeed.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 168, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25917 times:

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 40):
Not to mention that an Airbus with "American" written on the side is the a.net equivalent of an oxymoron...

What about the A300s? Or the F100s? Or for that matter, after BOAC and BEA became BA, some of the aircraft titles just said "British." That looked kind of funny on a 747, built in Everett, Washington.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 169, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 25870 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 166):
Second, why is everyone upset that AA has the logo and title in billboard size, but no one cares about Ryanair? If you look at a Ryanair 738, there are "bullet holes" in the harp logo and the title.

That's comparing two separate effects. Ryanair's harp logo on the fuselage isn't the only place on the aircraft it appears. There's a huge unbulletholed version on the tail.

The billboard type is also different. Large, bold capital letters for Ryanair, while American is in thin upper and lower case letters, with far less contrast between the paint colors. The impact the windows and shades each have are far different.



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User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 2003 posts, RR: 21
Reply 170, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25393 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 165):
It's an abomination and should be sent back to whatever level of hell from whence it came.

Good lord, it's paint, move on. The majority of the traveling public either likes it or doesn't care, as it usually is with most liveries, there was more of a backlash when UA dumped the tulip.

Quoting sankaps (Reply 131):
NWA's final livery was beautiful, a classic.

My only gripe about the new livery is that I wished they had gone more metalic with the silver like NW did.

Quoting babybus (Reply 128):
What was wrong with the old livery? It was much better than this.

The old livery would no longer be practical to apply to new aircraft which are more and more composite-ridden.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 171, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25314 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 170):
The old livery would no longer be practical to apply to new aircraft which are more and more composite-ridden.

Sure, but they could have retained the grey-paint version of the old livery, like they had on their A300s for the same reason.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 172, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25311 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 170):
The majority of the traveling public either likes it or doesn't care

Misrepresenting the metrics again, I see. Here's a link to the "statistical analysis of the social media impact of American Airlines' rebranding", which has been posted a number of times by this member:

American Airlines rebranding

Note that not one time, not once, did the actual logo or tail redesign have any direct feedback read by these metrics. All that the metrics measured were increases in the awareness of the airline during heavy advertising periods—which are not compared with like periods of comparable advertising by other airlines—and reflect "likes" of the videos of the rebranding process, but not the actual results of the rebranding.

Decide for yourselves if "the majority of the traveling public either likes it or doesn't care".



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User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 2003 posts, RR: 21
Reply 173, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25189 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 171):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 170):
The old livery would no longer be practical to apply to new aircraft which are more and more composite-ridden.

Sure, but they could have retained the grey-paint version of the old livery, like they had on their A300s for the same reason.

They could have, but then everyone would be dumping on AA for being unoriginal and boring, not to mention the criticisms of an all grey aircraft. Personally, I would prefer the new livery over what you described by a mile. The polished aluminum looks great, it's an iconic livery, but when the polished aluminum look is no longer possible, any imitation of it would just look sad.


User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 174, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25194 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 164):
Not true.

Oh good grief. There is a reason there's a smiley face after my comment.


User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 2003 posts, RR: 21
Reply 175, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25124 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 172):
Misrepresenting the metrics again

I presented no metrics here, but sorry, it's true. If the traveling public really hated it or cared, you'd see all numbers of petitions and facebook groups etc like what happened when UA got rid of the tulip. They also wouldn't be prominently splashing it all over their nationwide TV advertisements. Just move on.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 172):
Note that not one time, not once, did the actual logo or tail redesign have any direct feedback read by these metrics.

All of the elements you mentioned are part of the rebrand, if it were such an abomination, they wouldn't have gotten the positive response to the extent that they did online. I've also said before that if there's a credible scientific poll out there specifically about the new livery,