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Braniff 707-138Bs Last Service/routes?  
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Braniff acquired four 707-138Bs from Qantas in June-July 1969. According to historic fleet data, one left the fleet in April 1975, with the others departing in November 1975. Sources found indicate that this 'one-of-a-kind' variant of the 707 actively served with Braniff (only) until 1973.

Did Braniff entirely withdraw their 707-138Bs from service in 1973 and park them for ~2 years until sold, or did they continue to serve in some capacity until closer to the dates they officially left the fleet in 1975?

On what routes were Braniff's 707-138Bs typically flown while in service?

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User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Tango-Bravo, with reference to your question, "On what routes were Braniff's 707-138Bs typically flown while in service?"

I don't have any specific references to answer your question, but as a kid who hung around Dallas Love Field in the 60s and 70s, I remember the 707s (in general) were used on the long-haul routes to major markets such as JFK, ORD, IAD, Kansas City (MKC at that time) and Minneapolis (I think prior to de-regulation Braniff was the only airline providing service between DAL and MSP--some nonstop, some via MKC/MCI, and the 727s and BAC-111s made LOTS of stops between DAL and MSP) as well as short-haul, high-density markets such as Houston, Texas and San Antonio. As I remember, some of the San Antonio flights continued to Mexico City and/or Acapulco.

Sorry, nothing concrete, just some good (maybe not very accurate) old memories of the deployment of Braniff aircraft.

e38


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter):
On what routes were Braniff's 707-138Bs typically flown while in service?

I think they were integrated fairly closely with the 720s.

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter):
Did Braniff entirely withdraw their 707-138Bs from service in 1973

I think so. The April 1974 OAG has no Braniff 707 flights.


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Are you sure they flew the 707 to Chicago in the 70's? All I ever remember seeing at the BN gates at ORD were BAC 111's and 727's.

User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter):
Braniff acquired four 707-138Bs from Qantas in June-July 1969. According to historic fleet data, one left the fleet in April 1975, with the others departing in November 1975. Sources found indicate that this 'one-of-a-kind' variant of the 707 actively served with Braniff (only) until 1973.

Did Braniff entirely withdraw their 707-138Bs from service in 1973 and park them for ~2 years until sold, or did they continue to serve in some capacity until closer to the dates they officially left the fleet in 1975?

On what routes were Braniff's 707-138Bs typically flown while in service?

Not to change the subject, but in the background of that pic of the green BN 707, is an original- but short lived DL DC10


User currently offlinetomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 903 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2372 times:
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IIRC, they were configured with the same seating capacity as the 720s.

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User currently offlineSLCGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Braniff did manage to operate some of the rarer types of 707's. In addition to the Qantas -138Bs the 707-220 was specially built for them. The -220 series was basically a -120 with the PW JT-4 engine from the original -320, Braniff wanted the extra power for their high and hot routes.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting SLCGuy (Reply 6):
Braniff did manage to operate some of the rarer types of 707's. In addition to the Qantas -138Bs the 707-220 was specially built for them. The -220 series was basically a -120 with the PW JT-4 engine from the original -320, Braniff wanted the extra power for their high and hot routes.

Yep, I had forgotten that Braniff got some of the -138s. I thought they all went to BWIA. The -138 was build only for QF and was 10 feet shorter than a standard 707-120, for longer range.

Here's a trivia question. Does anyone know what is unique about the 707-220 in Boeing history? I'll give you hint: it's a not a positive thing.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2468 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
Here's a trivia question. Does anyone know what is unique about the 707-220 in Boeing history? I'll give you hint: it's a not a positive thing.

It crashed on a pre-delivery flight with Braniff and Boeing crew on board lost in the crash.

The first 707, N7071 crashed on October 19, 1959 during a Boeing test flight, when the Boeing pilot did a "Dutch Roll." The Pilot who was in command was Boeing instructor Russell Baum. Braniff had two Captains in the cockpit, John Berke and Frank Staley. The Flight Engineer was Boeing's George Hagan. The Boeing pilot asked the "green" Braniff pilot to recover the aircraft which he couldn't. This was an anauthorized maunever at Boeing, and the result was disaster. The aircraft lost the No.1, 2 and 4 engines during the roll. On decent, N7071 hit a Cottonwood tree on the bank of the Stillaguamish River. The tail and rear broke off on the North bank. The forward fuselage expoded in a fireball. Baum, Berke, Staley and Hagan were killed. Two Braniff Pilots, Pete Krause (FE) and Fred Symmank (Avionics Manager), and Boeing Pilot William W. Allsopp and FAA Inspector W.H. Heubner survived in the tail. This happened the day before the plane was to be turned over to Braniff, so Boeing Aircraft had to take the loss on N7071. The aircraft only had 173 hours on it when it crashed.
http://www.braniffpages.com/1954/1954.html



http://www.aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19591019-0
[Edited 2013-06-23 14:32:38]


[Edited 2013-06-23 14:34:47]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 8):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
Here's a trivia question. Does anyone know what is unique about the 707-220 in Boeing history? I'll give you hint: it's a not a positive thing.

It crashed on a pre-delivery flight with Braniff and Boeing crew on board lost in the crash.

It was the 2nd hull loss of a U.S.-built commercial jet. The first was an AA 707-123 on a training flight 2 months earlier, near Calverton airport on Long Island, about 50 miles east of JFK.

Braniff had 5 707-220s on order (they were the only customer). They never replaced the one that crashed (the first of the 5) so they only took delivery of 4.

[Edited 2013-06-23 15:09:29]

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3258 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 8):
It crashed on a pre-delivery flight with Braniff and Boeing crew on board lost in the crash.

Yep, fortunately the only crash ever of a Boeing test flight.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 8):
It crashed on a pre-delivery flight with Braniff and Boeing crew on board lost in the crash.

Yep, fortunately the only crash ever of a Boeing test flight.

Since you didn't limit your statement to commercial aircraft, there was this B-29 crash on a test flight in 1943.
http://seattletimes.com/html/pacificnw/2011177658_pacificpdorp07.html
http://www.kuow.org/post/70-years-ag...ering-crash-boeing-s-superfortress


User currently offlinen1805bn From United States of America, joined May 2012, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

One interesting factoid about those -138Bs: N108BN, CN 18740, now flies as N707JT for current owner John Travolta.

User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
Yep, fortunately the only crash ever of a Boeing test flight.

The prototype Boeing 307 Stratoliner crashed in 1939 during a test flight with KLM pilots on board.

http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm...isplaypage=output.cfm&file_id=2230

The Boeing model 299 (B-17 prototype) crashed at Wright-Patterson in 1935, with Boeing's chief test pilot at the controls. The gust locks were still in place.


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