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User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 469 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

I haven't herd anything regarding a fleet replacement plan for EV. The OO (Skywest) side of the house seems to be taken care of in a sense. OO has over 300 orders for new jets;
-100 E175s (40 via United) (2014)
- 100 E175-E2 (2020).
- 100 MRJ-90. (2017)

EV meanwhile has 0 aircraft on order. 84% of their fleet is comprised 50 seaters or less aircraft. OO holds 100 options for each aircraft on order, could these be all destined for EV? If not what would the plan to be bring new aircraft to EV?

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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Did OO order them or did Skywest the parent company order them and can distribute them between the two companies?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Skywest management has said ExpressJet needs to reduce its cost base, become profitable before growth can occur.

ExpressJet has 150 tails coming off lease in the next 3-years, so until cost look better, they will have a hard time bidding on new replacement flying.

Even papa Skywest has had a harder time winning significant new flying and lost out at AA and DL with crew cost being a big challenge compared to competitors. (Mesa/Pinnacle/RAH)



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Skywest management has said ExpressJet needs to reduce its cost base, become profitable before growth can occur.

ExpressJet has 150 tails coming off lease in the next 3-years, so until cost look better, they will have a hard time bidding on new replacement flying.

The bottom line is there won't be a whole lot of new players in the business for 50-seat CPAs because, well, it isn't profitable. ExpressJet is in a good position to stay on as an ATL feeder for Delta and a little-bit-of-everything feeder for United, but with only a fraction of the aircraft they have now. Maybe ExpressJet will stand to gain from that financially, but it stands to reason they won't. Whatever cost savings EV will realize as a result of flying uneconomical routes for Delta and United may be wiped out by losing the economies of scale they theoretically see right now with such a big operation.

I say theoretically because there are many opportunities for synergy at ExpressJet that aren't capitalized on right now, given that in some (not all) ways they run the ERJ and CRJ divisions as separate entities despite being under one roof. It seems to me that's where the savings need to come from.

If ExpressJet isn't going to invest in the 76-seat flying now, they'll be mostly out of luck save for what they have for DL now. Delta is largely maxed out on their scope cause limitations right now, and United is poised to make many of their CPA decisions in the next three years. If ExpressJet doesn't have the logistics lined up to take on 70-76-seat flying when United comes calling...where exactly is that growth going to come from?



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User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4937 times:

ExpressJet needs to focus on operational reliability.

It's true that weather and ATC furloughs are partially to blame, and Unitrd gives priority to mainline flights. Even with all of hat in mind, ExpressJet's Newark operations are unreliable. Shuttle America isn't doing much better, but ExpressJet needs to figure out a way to run on time.

I just paid $400 extra to avoid ExpressJet. I'm taking US Airways so that I can be on mainline flights without the same delay risk. Sure, I might still get stuck somewhere, but first class on an A320 through Charlotte beats two or more hours in an ERJ via Newark or Chicago.


User currently offlineinaforeignsky From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2013, 35 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

We are currently just finishing off adding the E175 to our certificate at ExpressJet. It is highly likely that a number of the E175s and E175 E2s ordered by Skywest Inc will be coming to the EV side of the business. We also already know that 50 of the 100 MRJs will be coming to ExpressJet. This was confirmed last year. We've been told to expect an announcement regarding the E175s in August. Legacy ExpressJet has a 2 for 1 first right of refusal on any replacement aircraft for the ERJs. So if United decide to start parking the 145s, they will be replaced with one 175 for every two 145s parked. We're going to end up a much smaller, more lean airline, but this will happen over time. Our rate of attrition for pilots at the moment is high and is only increasing. We are having issues staffing the flying we have at the moment, as are most other regionals in the USA. Any future flying or growth relies on a new Pilot contract being agreed, that is expected to happen in the next two to three months. Once that is in place, the picture will become a lot clearer.

Also, in reply to MATS post, ExpressJet has the highest level of dispatch reliability of any United Express carrier in the last three months. We had a hiccup over the winter as we ran out of operational spares, but we're now back on track performance wise.

The future for ExpressJet is positive I believe.

[Edited 2013-06-29 07:33:28]

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Quoting inaforeignsky (Reply 5):
It is highly likely that a number of the E175s and E175 E2s ordered by Skywest Inc will be coming to the EV side of the business.

Only the MRJs and E-175 E2s are eligible to be operated by ExpressJet since they were ordered by Inc.. The E-175 were ordered by SkyWest, the airline, and will be backed by Inc.



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User currently offlineflight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting Mats (Reply 4):

Perhaps you should check into some numbers before making such claims. Expressjet had the highest controllable completion factor all all united express carriers for the second quarter.


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1436 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting flight152 (Reply 7):
Expressjet had the highest controllable completion factor all all united express carriers for the second quarter.

A completion doesn't actually reflect the number of misconnected passengers that expressjet introduces into the system. If you look at ontime expressjet is one of the worse. So sure you got the passengers to a hub or spoke but you probably created significant travel disruptions to the passengers.

I have friends that drive to hubs to avoid riding expressjet / Skywest. I don't blame Mats at all. He is making a good choice to avoid expressjet. He has real life experience to back up his decision.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 8):
He has real life experience to back up his decision.

And he knows the reason...

Quoting Mats (Reply 4):
It's true that weather and ATC furloughs are partially to blame, and Unitrd gives priority to mainline flights.

Plus, SFO and EWR are two of the most delay-plagued airports in the U.S.

If you could see other carriers' network stats, McDu, you'd see that the WORST regional performance averages better than mainline UA's average.

[Edited 2013-06-29 08:54:21]


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User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1436 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Expressjet/ Atlantic Southeast has often been ranked as one of the worst airlines in rankings.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 10):

Expressjet/ Atlantic Southeast has often been ranked as one of the worst airlines in rankings.

Not saying that it hasn't happened, because ASA was in pretty bad shape when it was owned by DL, but they've improved immensely over the years under new leadership, and ExpressJet was often ranked pretty high in rankings prior to thei merger. That said, don't be so quick to throw them under the bus, as your airline really hasn't fared well over the past few years, either.

Anyhow, this has drifted far enough off topic.



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User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
Only the MRJs and E-175 E2s are eligible to be operated by ExpressJet since they were ordered by Inc.. The E-175 were ordered by SkyWest, the airline, and will be backed by Inc.

If need be Im pretty sure it shouldn't be to hard for OO and/ or Skywest Inc. to transfer airplanes to their sister airline


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 12):
If need be Im pretty sure it shouldn't be to hard for OO and/ or Skywest Inc. to transfer airplanes to their sister airline

Yes, in theory, however, it should only be for those planes ordered by Inc., but even then, it will all depend on the wording of the contractual agreements in place between the umbrella company and the subsidiaries.

Based on the announcements I've seen, none of the E-175 (E1) order is for ExpressJet.



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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5036 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

I think Expressjet needs to get rid of the E135s. coming out of IAH in the summer there's lots of weight restrictions. if its hard to make money with a full 50 seater its only harder with a 50 seater that you can only sell 45 seats and inconvenience those passengers.

Bruce



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting Bruce (Reply 14):
I think Expressjet needs to get rid of the E135s. coming out of IAH in the summer there's lots of weight restrictions. if its hard to make money with a full 50 seater its only harder with a 50 seater that you can only sell 45 seats and inconvenience those passengers.

Seems to me the inevitable demise of -135s nationwide is at hand. EV, MQ and RP (technically a -140 is a -135) are the only -135 operators left.

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 12):
If need be Im pretty sure it shouldn't be to hard for OO and/ or Skywest Inc. to transfer airplanes to their sister airline

Going forward, wouldn't it make a lot of sense to put the -145s and -175s on one certificate and the CR2/7s/9s on the other? This would take a lot of asset shifting but it might be worth it from a simplicity point of view.



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User currently offlineinaforeignsky From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2013, 35 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Actually just three days ago United extended the contract for 7 of the 9 ERJ-135s and all of the ERJ-145 that were due to expire later in the year.

Also, the initial order of 100 EMB-175s was by Skywest Inc. not Skywest Airlines. All that was announced was that the initial 40 of the 100 are destined for Skywest Airlines. The other 60 have yet to be placed and could go to either Skywest or ExpressJet.

It's very true that ExpressJet did recently come bottom of the list when it comes to reliability, however, our performance has improved dramatically in the past couple of months. I'm an ORD based pilot, so I try to avoid EWR as much as possible. It's true that our on time performance out of EWR sucks, but the same can be said for all of the airlines based there. Shuttle America are poor out of EWR and Republic are just downright awful, not just in EWR but across the whole system. Republic are unable to staff the Q400s and the dispatch reliability is poor. A none based carrier is always going to have better performance out of a hub airport compared to an airline based there as they have fewer flights.

[Edited 2013-06-29 14:29:57]

User currently offlineinaforeignsky From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2013, 35 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

It's also worth noting that Express carriers always come at the bottom of these rankings. ExpressJet is the biggest regional in EWR. We are the first flights to be cancelled or delayed during ground stops and bad weather. This is because disruption to our flights affects the least passengers. These delays and cancellation decisions are made by mainline United and not the express carriers themselves. It's hard to catch a break when it's not in your hands.

User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1436 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting inaforeignsky (Reply 17):
It's hard to catch a break when it's not in your hands.

United doesn't hire crews, create your crew schedules or perform your maintenance . Expressjet bears a great deal of responsibility for the delays due to crew and maintenance that takes place daily. It doesn't take UA making decisions based on ATC delays or bad weather to cause disruptions at Expressjet.

If your operation was so sound then why open the new crew bases? The lack of reserves at the hubs you were flying through created a ripple effect throughout the expressjet system. Amazing it only took them 3 years to address this problem.

Quoting inaforeignsky (Reply 16):
Shuttle America are poor out of EWR and Republic are just downright awful, not just in EWR but across the whole system. Republic are unable to staff the Q400s and the dispatch reliability is poor. A none based carrier is always going to have better performance out of a hub airport compared to an airline based there as they have fewer flights.

Agree with the above. I just hope the performance reliability penalties in the contracts with these carriers put pressure on them to get better. Hopefully contracts won't be renewed as the "Scope choke" from the new pilot contract helps reduce 50 seaters. In my opinion the ex-ASA CRJ's will be the first to go. The Expressjet 145's will be the last to leave.


User currently offlineMSJYOP28Apilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting Bruce (Reply 14):
I think Expressjet needs to get rid of the E135s. coming out of IAH in the summer there's lots of weight restrictions. if its hard to make money with a full 50 seater its only harder with a 50 seater that you can only sell 45 seats and inconvenience those passengers.

Bruce

What are you talking about? The E135 only holds 37 passengers and it rarely has weight restrictions. But what do I know I only dispatched it at ExpressJet and determined its max takeoff weight about a million times.

You must be thinking about the E145EP version. It is a 50 seater that ExpressJet self limits to 47 seats on a good weather day. There are not that many E145EP in the fleet and nobody likes the aircraft that works at ExpressJet. I don't know why United didnt rid of the E145EP a decade ago when the LR and XR versions came out.

The E145EP only holds about 9000 lbs of gas and is limited to the IAH market for short hauls out of IAH. Occasionally, the EP does make its way east into other hubs but this is very rare.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6942 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Thread starter):
- 100 MRJ-90. (2017)

Oh wow, I like this. I didn't know where OO would be sending these until now. Great news, as I fly Express Jet often since OH went under.



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