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Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #13  
User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 76
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 48372 times:
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Part 12 got a little long, so here is part 13  

And again the link to part 12:

Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12 (by wilco737 Apr 4 2013 in Civil Aviation)


Enjoy.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 48391 times:

A small summary of the last posts in the previous thread:

> LN 1500 will go to LH, to be D-ABYP
> LH D-ABYI has been named "Potsdam"



Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 48222 times:

Because the previous thread has been closed, just after posting the monthly listing, below a copy of reply # 243 of Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12 (by wilco737 Apr 4 2013 in Civil Aviation)#247

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Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (July 01 - 2013)
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Updates from previous listing (June 01 - 2013) :

- Firing Order , Added : L/N 1500-RC035
- Firing Order sequence : No change.
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/N 1482-RC605.
- Observing the actual roll out dates, it seems that the assembly line is already producing airframes at the reduced rate of 1,75 .
- First (B1) Flight : L/N1477-RC029, L/N1479-RC525, L/N1433-RC553
- Delivered : L/N 1477-RC029, L/N1432-RC572
- Stored at KMZJ : L/N 1478-RC509
- The following 747-8 (Boeing owned) registrations emerged at the FAA registry at June 25.:
- N973BA, serial number 44444, 747-83QF, L/N not yet determined. (L/N1493 –RC641 ???)
- See : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=973BA
- N974BA, serial number 37501, 747-8Z5, confirmed as L/N1495-RC009.
- See : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=974BA
- N975BA, serial number 38078, 747-8R7F, most probably L/N1491-RC511.
- See : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=975BA
- Added several other aircraft data: selcal codes, aircraft names, etc.


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63 Completed airframes , Delivered 52 (marked : @ ), Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (31), 2013 (12)
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@ L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test registration N747EX, selcal code CK-EQ, During flight testing recorded 870+ hours in 354 flights, Ferried June-08-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Sept-29-2012. Returned to KPAE at October-02-2012 with test registration N5020K, ferried to KPDX at October 23 for painting, returned to KPAE at November 12 with Cargolux registration LX-VCA(LX-ECV –NTU), name : City of Vianden, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date : March 08, 2013.

L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment May 30 2013 (exactly after one year!), Returned to KPAE at May 31 2013, Delivery TBD.

@ L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, During flight testing accumulated 720+ hours in 254 flights, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Oct-15-2012. Ferried at October 23-2012 to Victorville (KVCV)for re-painting, return flight to KPAE 07 November. Delivery date : December 20, 2012, Delivery flight (NCA696-RJAA) date : January 10, 2013.

@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, name : City of Esch-sur-Alzette, test registration N5014K, Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSEA-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.

@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.

@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Delivery date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D –RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.

@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.

@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special Hong Kong Trader livery, F/F November 05-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.

@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Delivery and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.

@ L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #1, painted basic white-dark blue BA Colours to become G-GSSD, operator airplane number 850), aircraft NTU, F/F Jan 31, 2013, test registration N5023Q, ferried to Portland (KPDX) for re-painting at Feb. 5, return flight at Feb 21, full livery, new operator Saudi Arabian Cargo, HZ-AI3 , Delivery date March 23, 2013 , Delivery flight (SVA9018- OEJN) date : March 25, 2013.

@ L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (ABW1011-VHHH) date : December 02-2012.

@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Delivery date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.

@ L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #2, white livery, operator airplane number 851), aircraft NTU, registered N958BA at April 19 2013, F/F April 22 2013, new operator Saudi Arabian Cargo, full livery, HZ-AI4, Delivery date June 17 2013 and delivery flight (SVA9019-OEJN) June 28, 2013.

L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, F/F June 23 2013, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Delivery at the end of July 2013.

@ L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, full red-orange Boeing Sunrise livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011. Last test flight at 01-12-2012, after approx. 200 flights with short of 600 flight hours. Refurbishment to delivery standard at KPAE and re-painted in full “ State of Kuwait “ livery, registration 9K-GAA, First functional test flight October 21-2012, Delivery and Delivery flight (KAC8043-CYVR-KMCI)date : November 03-2012.

L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1 (NTU), selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, D-ABYE( NTU), Scheduled LH delivery date was September-30-2012 , Resumed additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMS updates) at May 20 2013, flight testing out of San Bernadino (KBSD) from May 26, returned to Moses Lake at June 18 for additional low altitude tests, from June 28 at Inca Manco Cápac Intl. airport Peru (JUL/SPJL) for high altitude airport tests, aircraft is up for sale after finishing of the test flights in 2014.

@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #3, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, operator airplane number 852), aircraft NTU, re-registered N770BA at Jan 22-2013, selcal code DJ-KM, F/F April 15 2013, KPAE flight line. Currently used for testing of updated NGFMC software, Schedule to be flown to Marana for storage TBD.

@ L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, registration B-LJD, F/F April 14 2013, KPAE flight line, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date May 08 2013.

@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Delivery date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.

@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Delivery date May-24-2012, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin was installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Ferry flight (A6PFA- KIAB-EDDH) December 22-2012. VIP Cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik, Hamburg.

@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011

@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #1 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011

@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #1, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Delivery date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 – EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post Delivery Maintenance by LH Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.

@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #2, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Delivery date December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date Dec-19-2011.

@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #3, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Delivery date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011

@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Delivery date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? Ferry flight (N458BJ- KSKF-LFSB) to Basel -Mulhouse at December 28-2012. (Cancelled Jet Aviation outfitting slot occupied by new customer ?)

@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.

@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Delivery date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.

@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation completed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES), Wichita, Kansas. Ferry flight to Basel-Mulhouse(LFSB) at November 09-2012. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC at Basel, Switzerland, see : http://www.amacaerospace.com/news/news-2012-11-13.html

@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Delivery date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.

@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #2, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, named : Sachsen, F/F June-07-2012, Delivery date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Delivery March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.

@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #3 , D-ABYD, named : Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM) by LH Technik, First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) September 13-2012.

@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, name : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.

@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #4, full Panalpina livery, name: Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.

@ L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #4, D-ABYF, name : Sachsen-Anhalt, selcal code CM-BH, full livery, , F/F Sept-28-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date October-23-2012. Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM)by LH Technik (EDDF). First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) November 09-2012.

@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.

@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #5, Full Panalpina livery, name : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Delivery date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer : According some rumours (not confirmed) : Bahrain Royal Flight, test registration N455BJ, future registration A9C-???, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Owner : Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee Salt Lake City Utah , Delivery and delivery flight (N455BJ-CYVR-KAFW-KCNW) date : November 02-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco,TX.

@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.

@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, name : City of Grevenmacher, F/F Aug 30-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX )date Sept 12-2012.

@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #6, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Delivery date Sept-30-2012 , Delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date October- 02-2012

L/N 1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , test registration N5511Y,registration VQ-BRH, full livery, F/F Nov-14-2012, Ferried to Portland (KPDX) for painting at Dec. 02, return flight at December 13, Re-registered N769BA at Jan 22-2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for (longterm) storage at Feb. 04-2013, expected ABC delivery : TBD

@ L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay #10, registration B-LJJ, full livery, Roll-out date Sept. 5, F/F October 16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date October 26-2012.

@ L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, full livery, name : City of Diekirch, registration LX-VCG, F/F October 16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date : November 19-2012.

@ L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Royal Flight Oman, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, selcal code FR-AD, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, Delivery date December 10-2012 . Delivery flight (A4OHMS- CYVR- KCNW) date : December 12-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco, TX, see : http://www2.l-3com.com/is/releases/P...eives-second-747-8-final-photo.pdf

@ L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #7, N853GT, selcal code DK-EL, Polar/DHL Express livery, KPAE flight line, F/F November 26 -2012, Delivery and delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date : December 04-2012

@ L/N 1468 - 747-8ZV, RC008,serial number 42096, Lessor : Worldwide Aircraft Holding Company – Bermuda, Customer : Former Emir of Qatar (Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad bin Abdullah bin Jassim bin Muhammed Al Thani), registration VQ-BSK (VQ-B = Bermuda / SK = Sheikh Khalifa), full livery, Roll-out November 08-2012, F/F December 13 2012, Delivery date December 20-2012, Delivery flight (VQBSK-CYVR) date December 21-2012. Airplane is (probably ) located at Dallas Love Field to be outfitted by Associated Air Center. At the same location also an elevator system and an Aeroloft modification kit will be installed, expected total modification time 36 months.

L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, selcal code KQ-PR, full livery, Roll-out November 26-2012, F/F Jan-08-2013, KPAE flight line, Re-registered N772BA at Jan 22-2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for storage at March 01, Delivery TBD.

@ L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYG, name : Baden-Württemberg, full livery, F/F Jan 23 - 2013, required Hard landing rework, Delivery date March 12, 2013, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date March 13 - 2013. Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik, First operational flight DLH456 (EDDF-KLAX) March 31, 2013.

@ L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #8, serial number 37566, N854GT, selcal code DK-EM, full Atlas Air livery, F/F Feb 2-2013, Delivery date March 28, 2013, Delivery flight (GTI9838-VHHH) April 02, 2013.

@ L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYH, selcal code BK-ES, full livery, named : Thueringen, F/F March 9 2013, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date March 27, 2013, Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik , First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) April 16, 2013.

@ L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, selcal code FM-HP, full livery, named : City of Dudelange, F/F March 25, 2013, Technical acceptance April 05 , short term storage at KPAE with registration N765BA, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX) date May 15 2013.

@ L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617, selcal code MR-BJ, full livery, F/F March 15 2013, Delivery and Delivery flight (KAL28D- RKSI) date March 28, 2013.

@ L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYI, full livery, named : Potsdam, F/F May 08 2013, Delivery and delivery flight date(DLH9925-EDDF) May 29 2013, Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik, First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) June 18 2013.

@ L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, serial number 37567, Atlas Air #9, N855GT, selcal code DK-JQ , full Atlas Air livery, F/F April 20 2013, Delivery May 16 2013, Delivery flight (GTI9854-KAMA)date May 18 2013. Re-painted after delivery into Etihad Cargo livery (long term lease) at Leading Edge Aviation Services , Amarillo.

@ L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYJ, full livery, FAL roll out April 02, F/F June 09 2013, KPAE flight line, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9923-EDDF)date June 25, 2013. Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik,

L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, N775BA, future registration LX-VCI, full livery, named : City of Troisvierges, F/F May 20 2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for storage at June 21, 2013.

L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ (N942BA), full livery, F/F June 15 2013, KPAE flight line, will be temporally stored, expected delivery : December 2013.

L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK, full livery, KPAE flight line, expected delivery mid August 2013

L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655, KAL #4, N774BA, unpainted with light blue rudders, KPAE flight line

L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37670, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5, N959BA, future registration VQ-BRJ, without engines, unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, will be temporally stored, expected delivery : December 2013.

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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561, Cathay Pacific #11, B-LJK, ( original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC631, Air China Cargo #1, serial number 43394, NTU) , slant position #1, scheduled delivery November 2013.

L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562, Cathay Pacific #12, B-LJL, (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC632, Air China Cargo #2, serial number 43395, NTU) , slant position #2, scheduled delivery December 2013.

L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, serial number 36141?, N783BA ?, NCA #6, future registration JA16KZ, body join position.

L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563, Cathay Pacific #13, B-LJM, (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC633, Air China Cargo #3, serial number 43396, NTU) , wing join position, scheduled delivery December 2013.

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Firing order : 14 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, NCA #7, nominal roll-out date August 22-2013.
L/N 1488 - 747-8B5F, RC549, serial number 37656, KAL #5, N957BA
L/N 1489 - 747-8KZF, RC528, NCA #8
L/N 1490 - 747-8R7F, RC510, Cargolux #10
L/N 1491 - 747-8R7F, RC511, serial number 38078?, N975BA?, Cargolux #11
L/N 1492 - 747-830, RC031, serial number 37836, D-ABYL, Lufthansa #10, scheduled delivery* Jan 31 2014
L/N 1493 - 747-8xxF**, RC641, GECAS/Silk way ? #1, Boeing operator identification code : 645.
L/N 1494 - 747-830, RC032, serial number 37837, D-ABYM, Lufthansa #11, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2014
L/N 1495 - 747-8Z5, RC009, serial number 37501, N974BA, Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight, Boeing operator identification code : ABD.
L/N 1496 - 747-8xxF**, RC642, GECAS/Silk Way ? #2, Boeing operator identification code : 645
L/N 1497 – 747-830, RC033, serial number 37838, D-ABYN, Lufthansa #12, scheduled delivery *March 31 2014
L/N 1498 – 747-830, RC034, serial number 37839, D-ABYO, Lufthansa #13, scheduled delivery * June 30 2014
L/N 1499 - 747-89L, RC066, Air China, Boeing operator identification code : BEJ
L/N 1500 – 747-830, RC035, serial number 37840, D-ABYP, Lufthansa #14, scheduled delivery * August 31 2014.

? = Not confirmed
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.
I will try to publish the following updates on the first of each month to stay synchronized with the monthly Boeing delivery publications.
Please feel free to add updates, corrections and remarks by replies in this thread (or by PM). Especially any info about the mystery 747-83QF with serial number 44444 will be welcome.
The mystery 747-83QF : GECAS or Silk Way 747-8F ?


Cheers, Peter.

[Edited 2013-07-01 06:00:14]


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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 47913 times:

L/N1479-RC525 just airborne for a ferry flight to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for temporally storage, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130701/1830Z/KPAE/KMZJ


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 47888 times:

RC525 (LN1479) is on her way to the desert:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE525

By my count, this makes four brand-new 747-8s currently parked at Pinal. The other three are RC604, RC524, and RC509. RC573 and RC605 will probably join them later this year.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 47662 times:

Boeing added LN1508 to the 747 firing order with RC051, the first -8I for KAL.
Scheduled delivery (very much subject to change) is October 2014.

Firing order is still not allocated for LN1501 until/incl. LN1507.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Provisional 747-8 tabulation (old designation : variable) number allocation :
( numbers blocks reserved for each airline specification)

747-8 Intercontinental : RC001 until/incl. RC500

- RC001 until/incl. RC020 BBJ
- RC021 until/incl. RC050 Lufthansa
- RC051 until/incl. RC065 Korean Airlines
- RC066 until/incl. RCxxx Air China

747-8 Freighter : RC 501 until/incl. RC999

- RC501 until/incl. RC520 Cargolux
- RC521 until/incl. RC540 Nippon Cargo Airlines
- RC541 until/incl. RC550 Guggenheim Aviation Partners (NTU) - Korean Air Cargo
- RC551 until/incl. RC570 Cathay Pacific Cargo
- RC571 until/incl. RC600 Atlas Air
- RC601 until/incl. RC610 Volga-Dnepr Group (AirBridgeCargo)
- RC611 until/incl. RC630 DAE Lsd.Emirates Sky Cargo (NTU)
- RC631 until/incl. RC640 Air China Cargo (NTU)
- RC641 until/incl. RCxxx GECAS/Silk Way Airlines?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 47656 times:

According to the info in the ATDB, Air China will take 4 and Korean Air will take 2 intercontinentals next year.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 47638 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 4):
By my count, this makes four brand-new 747-8s currently parked at Pinal. The other three are RC604, RC524, and RC509. RC573 and RC605 will probably join them later this year.

And how about:

> RC548 and RC549: first delivery delayed until April 2014, will they stay at PAE?
> RC526, RC527 and RC528: more NCA frames will roll off the assembly year this year
> RC510, RC511: two more Cargolux frames will roll off the assembly year this year



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Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 47581 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
> RC526, RC527 and RC528: more NCA frames will roll off the assembly year this year

For what its worth, NCA has returned one 744F to the lessor (JA02KZ). The plane has been placed on the N-register.


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 47426 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):

> RC548 and RC549: first delivery delayed until April 2014, will they stay at PAE?

RC548 should make its first flight later this month, then go to Marana for storage. RC549 will probably follow in her sister's footsteps (tire tracks? wake vortex?).


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 47076 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 4):
RC525 (LN1479) is on her way to the desert:

Finally some pictures of R525, departing towards Pinal Airpark (KMZJ)
Note the future registration JA15KZ is painted at the wing and the temporally registration sticker N942BA at the tail section.


Original download by Moonm, for other sizes see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9210406544/


Original download by Moonm, for other sizes see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9207626357/

Regarding the other NCA aircraft : RC521 has been scheduled for an October delivery.

[Edited 2013-07-04 10:17:06]


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User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1261 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 46971 times:

RC029 joins the DB:


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Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 46904 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 10):
Regarding the other NCA aircraft : RC521 has been scheduled for an October delivery.

NCA was supposed to take delivery of 3 748 aircraft this year, any news about the other 2?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 46698 times:

RC605 is already in paint, see this flightline picture of Matt Cawby:

http://paineairport.com/images/fl070413.jpg (at the fuel dock)



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 46498 times:

Also visible in the above flightline picture is RC561, Cathay #11.




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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 46300 times:

RC605 now has its engines attached:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6462.htm

It rolled off the assembly line without engines.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 46103 times:

RC553 will be ferried to PDX for a fresh paint job.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/353578934232821760

/edit

And in the air:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130706/1700Z/KPAE/KPDX

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:08:04]


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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 45729 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 2):
Observing the actual roll out dates, it seems that the assembly line is already producing airframes at the reduced rate of 1,75 .

Seen the roll-out date of the latest aircraft (L/N1483 - RC561) the assembly line is still producing at the rate of 2 aircraft /month.

According the latest info received, the reduction in assembly rate from 2 to 1,75 aircraft/month will start at L/N1492, 747-830, RC031, serial number 37836, D-ABYL, Lufthansa #10, scheduled delivery end of January 2014

This particular airframe is also the first 747-8I scheduled to be delivered with all three major upgrades* certified and active.

* Upgrades :

- GEnx-2B67/P1 engines installed ( /P1 = PIP engine)
- Tail fuel tank activated
- Software update (3.0) for the Honeywell New Generation Flight Management System (NGFMS).



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 45547 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 12):
NCA was supposed to take delivery of 3 748 aircraft this year, any news about the other 2?

Both RC524 and RC525 are in indefinite storage at Pinal. No info on a delivery date.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 45321 times:

Here are 2 nice pictures of Royal S. King showing a bunch of 747s on the flightline:

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9570.jpg
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9569.jpg



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 45051 times:

RC021/N6067U, the (ex Lufthansa) 747-8 Intercontinental test aircraft, has been returned to the US after performing high altitude Take off and Landing tests in Peru.

FlightAware has recorded the return flight from Lima's airport - Jorge Chávez International (SPIM/LIM),towards Houston-Bush (KIAH/IAH) at July 09 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130709/2150Z/SPIM/KIAH



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 44726 times:

Silk Way firms an order for 2 747-8F aircraft. This order was previously announced as MoU.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboeingcompany/9262757644/
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2740



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User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 44628 times:

Will the Silk Way aircraft be new builds or are they already some of the NTU aircraft? A little good news for the 747-8 program.

UAL747-600


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 44568 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 21):
Silk Way firms an order for 2 747-8F aircraft
Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 22):
Will the Silk Way aircraft be new builds or are they already some of the NTU aircraft?

New builds, Boeing just added two "mystery" 747-8F aircraft to the firing order :

L/N 1501 - 747-8xxF, RC671, unknown customer (Silk Way ?) #1, Boeing operator code : 662

L/N 1502 - 747-8xxF, RC672, unknown customer (Silk Way ?) #2, Boeing operator code : 662

Also the next 747-8I was added :

L/N 1503 - 747-830, RC036, serial number 37841, D-ABYR, Lufthansa #15



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5737 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 44531 times:

How many completed 747-8F have now been flown out of Everett into storage?


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Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 44905 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 23):
L/N 1501 - 747-8xxF, RC671, unknown customer (Silk Way ?) #1, Boeing operator code : 662

L/N 1502 - 747-8xxF, RC672, unknown customer (Silk Way ?) #2, Boeing operator code : 662

If that are the Silk Way frames, who is going to take ln. 1493 and 1496 which were rumoured to be for Silk Way?


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 44887 times:

According the 747-8F order list the only two remaining new customers (no aircraft delivered yet) are GECAS and Silk Way, both with an order for two, so :

L/N 1493 and 1496 could be for GECAS , L/N1501 and 1502 for Silk Way.

Or the reverse : :

L/N 1493 and 1496 for Silk Way and L/N 1501 and 1502 for GECAS.

We simply don't know (yet), because for both "dual" orders the (internal) Boeing Operator Codes are still in digits (645 and 662) . Both operator codes will be changed later by Boeing into a final three letter code, when " the time is right" , because that three letter code will certainly revail the GECAS order



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Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 45340 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 26):

Ok, I see. Any idea who will operate the Gecas freighters?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 45301 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 24):
How many completed 747-8F have now been flown out of Everett into storage?

Four, there is a sheet with info available on http://747-8.blogspot.com/

[Edited 2013-07-11 12:38:24]


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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 44960 times:

Quoting na (Reply 27):
Any idea who will operate the Gecas freighters?

I have no idea, seen the present depressed cargo market. Perhaps Etihad Cargo (expansion), Saudia Cargo (BCF replacement) or even Emirates Sky Cargo (replacing the leased TNT 747-400ERF aircraft)


The Silk Way MoU was for four 747-8F aircraft, two are firmed now.
IMHO a wise move, seen the present uncertaincy in the maindeck cargo market.

see : http://cargofacts.net/profiles/blogs...igns-mou-for-four-747-8-freighters



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 44809 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):
How many completed 747-8F have now been flown out of Everett into storage?

Four, there is a sheet with info available on http://747-8.blogspot.com/

That number will probably double by end the year. RC573, RC548, RC605 and RC549 will most likely join their sisters for a prolonged sunning in the desert.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 44791 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 30):
That number will probably double by end the year.

Sad.

Quoting Laddie (Reply 30):
RC573, RC548, RC605 and RC549

And perhaps even RC526, RC527, RC528 (3x NCA) and RC510, RC510 (2x Cargolux).



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 44613 times:

News about L/N 1478 - RC509, Cargolux #9, ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for storage at June 21, 2013 :

Cargolux traffic seems to be on the rise again, with a half year volume boost of 13%, also the union problems seem to have been solved.
"Cargolux has deferred delivery of one of its new 747-8Fs, which is to join the fleet in the next two to three months, while one of its 747-400s left the fleet this week for heavy maintenance, and will then be returned to its lessor. Cargolux has kept another of its 747-400s, which was due to be returned."

See : http://theloadstar.co.uk/cause-for-h...agement-and-unions-near-agreement/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 44574 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 32):
which is to join the fleet in the next two to three months

Why would they store an airplane in the desert for only 2 or 3 months? Boeing has enough storage place at PAE.

[Edited 2013-07-13 03:28:56]


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User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2229 posts, RR: 12
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 44416 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):
Quoting 747classic (Reply 32):
which is to join the fleet in the next two to three months

Why would they store an airplane in the desert for only 2 or 3 months? Boeing has enough storage place at PAE.

[Edited 2013-07-13 03:28:56]

Dry is easier storage than damp. While it rains less in July and August in the Pacific Northwest the conditions of the desert and dry is much easier on the electronics and systems. In the desert you have to protect from dust that is easier.


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Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 44184 times:

The serial numbers for the 3 additional ordered 747-867 aircraft are known, here are the full aircraft data :

L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561, serial number 43394, Cathay Pacific #11, B-LJK, (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC631, Air China Cargo #1, NTU) , unpainted with white rudders, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery November 2013.

L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562, serial number 43536, Cathay Pacific #12, B-LJL, (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC632, Air China Cargo #2, NTU) , assembly line slant position #1, scheduled delivery December 2013.

L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563, serial number 43825 ,Cathay Pacific #13, B-LJM, (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC633, Air China Cargo #3, NTU) , assembly line body join position, scheduled delivery December 2013.



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 43842 times:

D-ABYJ made here first operational flight towards HKG, after post delivery maintenance has been completed.
See : http://planefinder.net/data/airplanes/D-ABYJ

DLH796, EDDF-VHHH

Original uploaded by TFG Lau, for other sizes see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/5950680...eL6fAm-e7WyCu-bqQHff-brpLiP-axLDFp

Full Aircraft data : L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYJ, full livery, FAL roll out April 02, F/F June 09 2013, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9923-EDDF)date June 25, 2013. Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik, First operational flight DLH796 (EDDF-VHHH) July 12 2013.

Remark : Unable to retrieve the name of the aircraft from the picture above.

[Edited 2013-07-14 23:09:32]


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Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 43766 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 36):
Remark : Unable to retrieve the name of the aircraft from the picture above.

I think its "Hannover", taken from D-ABVK. LH has begun to remove names from older, still active 744s and transfer them to 748s.


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Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 43511 times:

And we have a winner, "Hannover" it is   See this picture by Axel J. http://www.flickr.com/photos/axel_j/9296058554/


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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 43338 times:

The first picture in the A-net data base of one of the stored NCA 747-8KZF aircraft in the desert.
Seen the date of the picture (May 26, 2013) this must be :

L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, selcal code KQ-PR, full livery, Roll-out November 26-2012, F/F Jan-08-2013, KPAE flight line, Re-registered N772BA at Jan 22-2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for storage at March 01, Delivery TBD.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 43074 times:

RC562* Cathay #12 emerged from the final assembly line and has been spotted at the fuel dock.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/9279525083/in/photostream/

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Also visible in the above flightline picture is RC561, Cathay #11.

RC561* seems to have left the assembly line without engines, just like RC605. Why is this?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/9282254640/in/photostream/

* Both frames don't have a visible registration so I might have switched them.

[Edited 2013-07-16 11:02:53]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 42938 times:

RC553 has been re-painted at PDX and is scheduled to fly back to PAE today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130716/2230Z/KPDX/KPAE



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 42756 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 41):
RC553 has been re-painted at PDX and is scheduled to fly back to PAE today.

RC553 / B-LJC, Departing PDX for PAE, July 16 2013.

Original uploaded by sabian404 (Russell Hill), for other sizes see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/9305423776/



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 42290 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 40):
RC561* seems to have left the assembly line without engines, just like RC605. Why is this?

All three aircraft (RC605,RC561 and 562) have been initially produced without engines, because all three are scheduled to be delivered in November and December 2013 (just before the increased cargo demand before the Christmas-New Year period), powered by the hopefully then certified updated GEnx-2B/P1 engines.

At the last update of Matt Cawby's KPAE blog clearly visible the latest two " engineless " Cathay airframes RC561 and 562, see :
http://paineairport.com/kpae6499.htm



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 42179 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 43):
All three aircraft (RC605,RC561 and 562) have been initially produced without engines, because all three are scheduled to be delivered in November and December 2013 (just before the increased cargo demand before the Christmas-New Year period), powered by the hopefully then certified updated GEnx-2B/P1 engines.

But RC605 has had its engines attached a few days after roll-out, indicating it will be flown to Pinal Airpark.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 20):
RC021/N6067U, the (ex Lufthansa) 747-8 Intercontinental test aircraft, has been returned to the US after performing high altitude Take off and Landing tests in Peru.

Here is a picture of RC021 taken on July 15:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartjunco/9311959940/

[Edited 2013-07-18 00:23:06]


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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 42141 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
But RC605 has had its engines attached a few days after roll-out, indicating it will be flown to Pinal Airpark.

The GEnx assembly line has already switched over to produce only updated GEnx-2B67/P1 engines.
Updated Engine certification is expected in a few weeks, with the engine /airframe combination certification scheduled in November 2013.
Only a few original GEnx-2B67B engines remain on stock for spares and July- October aircraft deliveries.
After installation of the first four updated engines at the testbed RC021 - N6067U, the now produced updated engines will be installed at airframes, with a delivery date at the end of 2013. (RC605, etc.)

Probably RC605 has been fitted already with updated engines.

[Edited 2013-07-18 01:49:41]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 41688 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 45):
Probably RC605 has been fitted already with updated engines.

RC605 scheduled for its first flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130719/2030Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 41151 times:

Here is a nice picture of RC605 taken by Marshall Autry:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vintage_racer/9338498375/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 40831 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 46):
RC605 scheduled for its first flight today:

That flight was canceled, second try today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130722/1930Z/KPAE/KMWH

[Edited 2013-07-22 12:53:32]


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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 40605 times:

RC605, Landing at Paine Field, after here B1 flight, Monday July 22.
Two earlier attemps, revealing some squaks and resulting in taxi tests only, were made last Friday and Sunday.

Original uploaded by Matt Cawby, see for other sizes : http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/9349856680/

Aircraft data : L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37670, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5, N959BA, future registration VQ-BRJ, full livery, (GEnx-2B PIP engines installed ?), F/F July 22 2013, KPAE flight line, will be temporally stored, expected delivery : December 2013.

Expected deliveries :

- L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, F/F June 23 2013, Ferried to Portland (KPDX)for a paint touch up at July 06 2013, returned at July 16 to KPAE, Scheduled Delivery at the end of July 2013.

- L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK, full livery, KPAE flight line, expected delivery mid August 2013

Thereafter very few or no deliveries are expected before November 2013., because the present low cargo demand and the expected certification of the GEnx-2B PIP/747-8 at the end of November.
In November-December, before the Christmas-New Year assembly line closure, a flurry of deliveries is expected.

[Edited 2013-07-23 02:22:14]


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 40051 times:

McNerney comments during Boeing Q2 Earning Call today:
1. 747-8 is a "viable program" in the long-run.
2. He expects cargo market to return to normal levels in a "year or two."

Other news...
RC553 delivery slid to 8 August.
RC030 delivery scheduled for mid-August.
Next 747-8 delivery not scheduled until October.


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 39564 times:

RC030/D-ABYK just airborne for a first (B1) flight, original scheduled towards Moses Lake, but the flight was cut short and the aircraft returned to Paine Field .
See : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20130726/1945Z/KPAE/KPAE

Aircraft data : L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK, full livery, F/F July 26 2013, KPAE flight line, expected delivery mid August 2013



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 39491 times:

The next 747-8F emerged from the assembly line (Building 40-22) at July 26, this is the 66th produced 747-8.

See Matt Cawby's KPAE blog : http://paineairport.com/kpae6541.htm

Aircraft data : L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, serial number 36141, N783BA, NCA #6, future registration JA16KZ, unpainted with white rudders, no engines installed, roll out date July 26 2013, KPAE flight line.



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 53, posted (1 year 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39440 times:

D-ABYA / RC022, the first operational 747-8I with Lufthansa since June-01-2012, has been ferried to Hamburg at July 11 2013 and has been on the ground since that date.

Probably the aircraft is at the Hamburg Lufthansa Technik maintenance base for some maintenance evalations and/or modifications after one year in airline operation.

Any info about the exact reason for this downtime, because it's unlikely that the first C-check threshold has already been reached ?
D-ABYA, just before landing at Hamburg from Frankfurt.


[Edited 2013-07-27 02:26:49]


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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 39136 times:

I'm guessing they're retrofitting the FlyNet system, which is missing on the first four LH frames.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 38947 times:

A Cathay 747 (RC561 or RC562) is now in storage at the tower ramp.

http://paineairport.com/kpae6546.htm

Also visible in the above picture are RC521 and RC573.

[Edited 2013-07-28 01:12:38]


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3331 posts, RR: 3
Reply 56, posted (1 year 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 38548 times:

Haven't seen this mentioned but this article/analysis in CAPA, suggest delivery for first 747-8i to Arik in 2014, and second in 2015. Is this realistic?

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...th-the-arrival-of-a330-200s-119142


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 57, posted (1 year 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 38490 times:

From a production point of view, that's not unrealistic because there are some open delivery slots in 2014.


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 58, posted (1 year 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 38432 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 55):
A Cathay 747 (RC561 or RC562) is now in storage at the tower ramp.

RC561 is on the tower ramp.

I think RC562 is parked at the EDC today, but that must be just to get her out of the way. I don't believe she is in a deliverable condition. The complete and utter lack of engines is my first clue.  

[Edited 2013-07-29 06:54:09]
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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 59, posted (1 year 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 38152 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 58):
I think RC562 is parked at the EDC today

Now RC562 is on the tower ramp too.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 60, posted (1 year 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 37965 times:

There was an engine run on RC521.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernieleighton/9398538640/

Quoting Laddie (Reply 58):
I think RC562 is parked at the EDC today

That's a cool picture, thanks for sharing   



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 day ago) and read 37621 times:

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Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (August 01 - 2013)
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Updates from previous listing (July 01 - 2013) :

No deliveries this month, RC553 for Cathay has slipped into August, RC030 for Lufthansa is also expected to be delivered in August.

The last four aircraft from the assembly line were rolled out without engines. The first (L/N1482) received new updated engines at the flight line. The other three airframes are scheduled for a delayed delivery at the end of 2013 and will be stored at KPAE until more improved GEnx-2B PIP engines are available for installation, to avoid a costly engine swap.

- Firing Order , Added : L/N1501-RC671, L/N1502-RC672, L/N1503-RC036, L/N1508-RC051
- Firing Order sequence : No change.
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/N1483-RC561, L/N1484-RC562, L/N1485-RC526
- First (B1) Flight : L/N 1482-RC605, L/N 1480-RC030
- Delivered : NIL
- Stored at KMZJ : L/N 1479-RC525
- Added several other aircraft data: flight test hours, aircraft names, etc.


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66 Completed airframes , Delivered 52 (marked : @ ), Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (31), 2013 (12)
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@ L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test registration N747EX, selcal code CK-EQ, During flight testing recorded 870+ hours in 354 flights, Ferried June-08-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Sept-29-2012. Returned to KPAE at October-02-2012 with test registration N5020K, ferried to KPDX at October 23 for painting, returned to KPAE at November 12 with Cargolux registration LX-VCA(LX-ECV –NTU), name : City of Vianden, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date : March 08, 2013.

L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ . During flight testing recorded 696+ hours in 235 flights, ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment May 30 2013 (exactly after one year!), Returned to KPAE at May 31 2013, Parked at Tower ramp KPAE, Scheduled delivery October 2013.

@ L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, During flight testing accumulated 720+ hours in 254 flights, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Oct-15-2012. Ferried at October 23-2012 to Victorville (KVCV)for re-painting, return flight to KPAE 07 November. Delivery date : December 20, 2012, Delivery flight (NCA696-RJAA) date : January 10, 2013.

@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, , full livery, name : City of Esch-sur-Alzette, test registration N5014K, registration LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, F/F Aug-31-2011, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSEA-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.

@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ. During flight testing recorded 420+ hours in 230 flights, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.

@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Delivery date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D –RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.

@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.

@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special Hong Kong Trader livery, F/F November 05-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.

@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Delivery and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.

@ L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #1, painted basic white-dark blue BA Colours to become G-GSSD, operator airplane number 850), aircraft NTU, F/F Jan 31, 2013, test registration N5023Q, ferried to Portland (KPDX) for re-painting at Feb. 5, return flight at Feb 21, full livery, new operator Saudi Arabian Cargo, HZ-AI3 , Delivery date March 23, 2013 , Delivery flight (SVA9018- OEJN) date : March 25, 2013.

@ L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (ABW1011-VHHH) date : December 02-2012.

@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, during flight testing recorded 583+ hours in 156 flights, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Delivery date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.

@ L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #2, white livery, operator airplane number 851), aircraft NTU, registered N958BA at April 19 2013, F/F April 22 2013, new operator Saudi Arabian Cargo, full livery, HZ-AI4, Delivery date June 17 2013 and delivery flight (SVA9019-OEJN) June 28, 2013.

L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, F/F June 23 2013, Ferried to Portland (KPDX)for a paint touch up at July 06 2013, returned at July 16 to KPAE, Scheduled Delivery around August 08, 2013.

@ L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, full red-orange Boeing Sunrise livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011. Last test flight at 01-12-2012, after approx. 200 flights with short of 600 flight hours. Refurbishment to delivery standard at KPAE and re-painted in full “ State of Kuwait “ livery, registration 9K-GAA, First functional test flight October 21-2012, Delivery and Delivery flight (KAC8043-CYVR-KMCI)date : November 03-2012.

L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1 (NTU), selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, D-ABYE( NTU), Scheduled LH delivery date was September-30-2012 , Resumed additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMS updates) at May 20 2013, flight testing out of San Bernadino (KBSD) from May 26, returned to Moses Lake at June 18 for additional low altitude tests, from June 28 at Inca Manco Cápac Intl. airport Peru (JUL/SPJL) for high altitude airport tests, returned to Moses Lake via Houston at July 10, latest flight tests are flown from Boeing Field and Moses Lake, aircraft is up for sale after finishing of the test flights in 2014.

@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #3, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, operator airplane number 852), aircraft NTU, re-registered N770BA at Jan 22-2013, selcal code DJ-KM, F/F April 15 2013, KPAE Tower ramp, Schedule to be flown to Marana for storage TBD.

@ L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, registration B-LJD, F/F April 14 2013, KPAE flight line, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date May 08 2013.

@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Delivery date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.

@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Delivery date May-24-2012, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin was installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Ferry flight (A6PFA- KIAB-EDDH) December 22-2012. VIP Cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik, Hamburg.

@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011.

@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #1 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011

@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #1, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Delivery date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 – EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post Delivery Maintenance by LH Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.

@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #2, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Delivery date December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date Dec-19-2011.

@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #3, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Delivery date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011

@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Delivery date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? Ferry flight (N458BJ- KSKF-LFSB) to Basel -Mulhouse at December 28-2012. (Cancelled Jet Aviation outfitting slot occupied by new customer ?)

@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.

@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Delivery date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.

@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation completed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES), Wichita, Kansas. Ferry flight to Basel-Mulhouse(LFSB) at November 09-2012. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC at Basel, Switzerland, see : http://www.amacaerospace.com/news/news-2012-11-13.html

@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Delivery date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.

@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #2, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, named : Sachsen, F/F June-07-2012, Delivery date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Delivery March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.

@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #3 , D-ABYD, named : Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM) by LH Technik, First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) September 13-2012.

@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, name : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.

@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #4, full Panalpina livery, name: Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.

@ L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #4, D-ABYF, name : Sachsen-Anhalt, selcal code CM-BH, full livery, , F/F Sept-28-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date October-23-2012. Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM)by LH Technik (EDDF). First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) November 09-2012.

@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.

@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #5, Full Panalpina livery, name : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Delivery date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer : According some rumours (not confirmed) : Bahrain Royal Flight, test registration N455BJ, future registration A9C-???, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Owner : Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee Salt Lake City Utah , Delivery and delivery flight (N455BJ-CYVR-KAFW-KCNW) date : November 02-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco,TX.

@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.

@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, name : City of Grevenmacher, F/F Aug 30-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX )date Sept 12-2012.

@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #6, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Delivery date Sept-30-2012 , Delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date October- 02-2012

L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , test registration N5511Y,registration VQ-BRH, full livery, F/F Nov-14-2012, Ferried to Portland (KPDX) for painting at Dec. 02, return flight at December 13, Re-registered N769BA at Jan 22-2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for (longterm) storage at Feb. 04-2013, see left hand aircraft : http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefanheymanns/9396770137/

@ L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay #10, registration B-LJJ, full livery, Roll-out date Sept. 5, F/F October 16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date October 26-2012.

@ L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, full livery, name : City of Diekirch, registration LX-VCG, F/F October 16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date : November 19-2012.

@ L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Royal Flight Oman, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, selcal code FR-AD, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, Delivery date December 10-2012 . Delivery flight (A4OHMS- CYVR- KCNW) date : December 12-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco, TX, see : http://www2.l-3com.com/is/releases/P...eives-second-747-8-final-photo.pdf

@ L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #7, N853GT, selcal code DK-EL, Polar/DHL Express livery, KPAE flight line, F/F November 26 -2012, Delivery and delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date : December 04-2012

@ L/N 1468 - 747-8ZV, RC008,serial number 42096, Lessor : Worldwide Aircraft Holding Company – Bermuda, Customer : Former Emir of Qatar (Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad bin Abdullah bin Jassim bin Muhammed Al Thani), registration VQ-BSK (VQ-B = Bermuda / SK = Sheikh Khalifa), full livery, Roll-out November 08-2012, F/F December 13 2012, Delivery date December 20-2012, Delivery flight (VQBSK-CYVR) date December 21-2012. Airplane is (probably ) located at Dallas Love Field to be outfitted by Associated Air Center. At the same location also an elevator system and an Aeroloft modification kit will be installed, expected total modification time 36 months.

L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, selcal code KQ-PR, full livery, Roll-out November 26-2012, F/F Jan-08-2013, KPAE flight line, Re-registered N772BA at Jan 22-2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for storage at March 01, Delivery TBD.

@ L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYG, name : Baden-Württemberg, full livery, F/F Jan 23 - 2013, required Hard landing rework, Delivery date March 12, 2013, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date March 13 - 2013. Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik, First operational flight DLH456 (EDDF-KLAX) March 31, 2013.

@ L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #8, serial number 37566, N854GT, selcal code DK-EM, full Atlas Air livery, F/F Feb 2-2013, Delivery date March 28, 2013, Delivery flight (GTI9838-VHHH) April 02, 2013.

@ L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYH, selcal code BK-ES, full livery, named : Thueringen, F/F March 9 2013, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date March 27, 2013, Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik , First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) April 16, 2013.

@ L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, selcal code FM-HP, full livery, named : City of Dudelange, F/F March 25, 2013, Technical acceptance April 05 , short term storage at KPAE with registration N765BA, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX) date May 15 2013.

@ L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617, selcal code MR-BJ, full livery, F/F March 15 2013, Delivery and Delivery flight (KAL28D- RKSI) date March 28, 2013.

@ L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYI, full livery, named : Potsdam, F/F May 08 2013, Delivery and delivery flight date(DLH9925-EDDF) May 29 2013, Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik, First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) June 18 2013.

@ L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, serial number 37567, Atlas Air #9, N855GT, selcal code DK-JQ , full Atlas Air livery, F/F April 20 2013, Delivery May 16 2013, Delivery flight (GTI9854-KAMA)date May 18 2013. Re-painted after delivery into Etihad Cargo livery (long term lease) at Leading Edge Aviation Services , Amarillo.

@ L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYJ, full livery, named : Hannover, FAL roll out April 02, F/F June 09 2013, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9923-EDDF)date June 25, 2013. Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik, First operational flight DLH796 (EDDF-VHHH) July 12 2013.

L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, N775BA, future registration LX-VCI, full livery, named : City of Troisvierges, F/F May 20 2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for storage at June 21, 2013. See : http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefanheymanns/9396770137/

L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ (N942BA), full livery, F/F June 15 2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for storage at July 01 2013. See : http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefanheymanns/9399535794/ Expected delivery : December

L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK, full livery, F/F July 26 2013, KPAE flight line, expected delivery mid August 2013

L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655, KAL #4, N774BA, unpainted with light blue rudders, KPAE flight line

L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37670, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5, N959BA, future registration VQ-BRJ, full livery, (GEnx-2B PIP engines installed ?), F/F July 22 2013, KPAE flight line, will be temporally stored, expected delivery : December 2013.

L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561, serial number 43394, Cathay Pacific #11, B-LJK, ( original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC631, Air China Cargo #1, NTU) , unpainted with white rudders, no engines, KPAE Tower ramp, scheduled delivery November 2013.

L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562, serial number 43536, Cathay Pacific #12, B-LJL, (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC632, Air China Cargo #2, NTU) , unpainted with white rudders, no engines, KPAE Tower ramp, scheduled delivery Dec ember 2013.

L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, serial number 36141, N783BA, NCA #6, future registration JA16KZ, unpainted with white rudders, no engines, roll out July 26 2013,KPAE flight line.

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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563, serial number 43825, Cathay Pacific #13, B-LJM, serial number (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC633, Air China Cargo #3, NTU) , slant position #1, scheduled delivery December 2013.

L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, serial number 37393, NCA #7, future registration JA17KZ, slant position #2, nominal roll-out date August 22-2013.

L/N 1488 - 747-8B5F, RC549, serial number 37656, KAL #5, N957BA, body join position.

L/N 1489 - 747-8KZF, RC528, NCA #8, wing join position

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Firing order : 11 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1490 - 747-8R7F, RC510, Cargolux #10
L/N 1491 - 747-8R7F, RC511, serial number 38078?, N975BA?, Cargolux #11
L/N 1492 - 747-830***, RC031, serial number 37836, D-ABYL, Lufthansa #10, scheduled delivery* Jan 31 2014
L/N 1493 - 747-8xxF**, RC641, GECAS #1? (-6N or –BQ), Boeing operator identification code : 645.
L/N 1494 - 747-830, RC032, serial number 37837, D-ABYM, Lufthansa #11, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2014
L/N 1495 - 747-8Z5, RC009, serial number 37501, N974BA, Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight, Boeing operator identification code : ABD.
L/N 1496 - 747-8xxF**, RC642, GECAS #2 ? (-6N or –BQ), Boeing operator identification code : 645
L/N 1497 - 747-830, RC033, serial number 37838, D-ABYN, Lufthansa #12, scheduled delivery *March 31 2014
L/N 1498 - 747-830, RC034, serial number 37839, D-ABYO, Lufthansa #13, scheduled delivery * June 30 2014
L/N 1499 - 747-89L, RC066, Air China, Boeing operator identification code : BEJ
L/N 1500 - 747-830, RC035, serial number 37840, D-ABYP, Lufthansa #14, scheduled delivery * August 31 2014.
L/N 1501 - 747-8xxF**, RC671, Silk Way Airlines #1 ?, Boeing operator code : 662
L/N 1502 - 747-8xxF**, RC672, Silk Way Airlines #2 ?, Boeing operator code : 662
L/N 1503 - 747-830, RC036, serial number 37841, D-ABYQ, Lufthansa #15
L/N 1504 till/incl. 1507 not yet allocated
L/N 1508 - 747-8B5, RC051, KAL intercontinental #1, scheduled delivery October 2014.

? = Not confirmed
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.
*** = first aircraft, assembled at the reduced rate of 1,75 aircraft/month.
I will try to publish the following updates on the first of each month to stay synchronized with the monthly Boeing delivery publications.
Please feel free to add updates, corrections and remarks by replies in this thread (or by PM).

Cheers, Peter.

[Edited 2013-08-01 00:01:01]


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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 62, posted (1 year 14 hours ago) and read 37269 times:

RC605, the fifth 747-8 freighter for AirBridgeCargo, has been scheduled today for a ferry flight towards Pinal Airpark for storage.

See : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130801/1600Z/KPAE/KMZJ



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 63, posted (1 year 12 hours ago) and read 37147 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 45):
Probably RC605 has been fitted already with updated engines.
Quoting 747classic (Reply 62):
RC605, the fifth 747-8 freighter for AirBridgeCargo, has been scheduled today for a ferry flight towards Pinal Airpark for storage.

Somehow I doubt RC605 already has the new GEnx-2B PIP engines fitted:

- Is a frame allowed to fly without non-certified engines? And the test campaign hasn't been finished yet and maybe some issues might pop up, this sounds risky too?
- Production of the GEnx-2B PIP engine has yet to ramp up, it sounds a bit strange to store engines which are not largely available? They could put those engines on another frame.

[Edited 2013-08-01 11:26:32]


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User currently offlinestevemchey From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 8 hours ago) and read 37048 times:

I just added two more pictures from my trip to Pinal last week:

L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC)

L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA (5th aircraft on the left)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 65, posted (12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 36766 times:

Quoting stevemchey (Reply 64):
I just added two more pictures from my trip to Pinal last week:

Excellent, thanks for sharing   



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 66, posted (12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 36745 times:

Quoting stevemchey (Reply 64):
I just added two more pictures from my trip to Pinal last week:

Thanks Stefan, for sharing these pictures of the stored 747-8F aircraft at Pinal Airpark.

As a bonus I also noticed the last produced ex KLM 747 classic (747-306M - PH-BUW - now PZ-TCM in Surinam Airways livery) on your last picture.
I operated that aircraft myself from 1986 till 2003. An ex KLM colleague performed the last test run (APU and Engines) in 2012 for SLM, before a possible sale, thereafter the engines with the most hours/cycles remaining were removed.

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Photo © Thomas Posch - VAP

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 63):
Is a frame allowed to fly without non-certified engines ?

That would be impossible 

Just kidding. But yes, the aircraft is owned by Boeing and can be operated with the not yet certified engines at a special (ferry) permit with a Boeing (flight test) crew.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 63):
And the test campaign hasn't been finished yet and maybe some issues might pop up, this sounds risky too?

The actual FAR Part 33 engine certification effort of the GEnx-2B67/P1 has already been completed, only the paperwork (FAA) takes more time. Being a spin off from the PIP2 of the GEnx-1B (B787) the GEnx-2B upgrade was a relative low risk program with reduced flight testing, compared to the PIP2 testing.
The airframe/engine certification ( FAR Part 25 approval), now being flight tested at test aircraft RC021, is scheduled to be approved in October 2013 by the FAA. AFAIK no serious issues are found up to now or expected.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 63):
Production of the GEnx-2B PIP engine has yet to ramp up, it sounds a bit strange to store engines which are not largely available?

Why would you need a lot of spare PIP engines? One or two spares for the test aircraft RC021 will do.
Only PIP engines are produced (low rate initially) at the moment, the pool of spare "non PIP " engines is more than sufficient until in October/November engine intermix will be allowed.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 63):
They could put those engines on another frame

No other frames (besides RC030 and RC553, both equipped with " old " engines) will be delivered before October.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 67, posted (12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 36681 times:

Thanks for the explanation  

Quoting 747classic (Reply 61):
The last four aircraft from the assembly line were rolled out without engines. The first (L/N1482) received new updated engines at the flight line. The other three airframes are scheduled for a delayed delivery at the end of 2013 and will be stored at KPAE until more improved GEnx-2B PIP engines are available for installation, to avoid a costly engine swap.

Those 3 deliveries would include RC526, are you sure about this one? Because if NCA would still take 3 freighters this year, I assume it will be RC521, RC524 and RC525?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 68, posted (12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 36510 times:

It looks like RC030 made a customer flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20130802/1624Z/KPAE/KPAE



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 69, posted (12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 36488 times:

Bloomberg BusinessWeek: "Why Boeing Is Buying Up Older 747s"
http://www.businessweek.com/articles...ing-up-older-747s?campaign_id=yhoo

There's a forum devoted to the topic: Boeing Buying Older 747s (by kanban Aug 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-08-02 12:29:11]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 70, posted (12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 36036 times:

There is a nice picture of RC548 in the database:


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User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 274 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 36014 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 68):
It looks like RC030
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 70):
There is a nice picture of RC548

Can you guys please state what airline it is instead of only stating these RC....... numbers. Not all of us that read these threads everyday know exactly what airline these RC codes belong to. Same with the 787 production, which I don't follow anymore because of this.

Thank you.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 72, posted (12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 36014 times:

Sure, RC030 = LH #9 and RC548 = KE #4.


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Reply 73, posted (12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 36020 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 72):
Sure, RC030 = LH #9 and RC548 = KE #4.

I am following the 748 threads since no.1. and I think the only useful identification is the line-no., in this case thats 1480 and 1481. Thats the only viable chronological identification. All other codes, RC whatever, KE or LH whatever, or the Boeing factory number are only useful for airline and Boeing employees, or people hiding behind expert knowledge.


User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 274 posts, RR: 2
Reply 74, posted (12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 36020 times:

Thanks KarelXWB. I meant in general not just you.

As many here on A.net I also have many praise for all the information you provide to A.net in general. I just get a bit frustrated when I have to search or look-up those RC or ZA.... etc. numbers.

Once again thanks and keep up the good work.


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Reply 75, posted (12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 36015 times:

Quoting GoAibusGo (Reply 74):

I want to second that. Thanks again especially to 747classic and KarelXWB!


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Reply 76, posted (12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36019 times:

Quoting GoAibusGo (Reply 74):
Thanks KarelXWB. I meant in general not just you.

As many here on A.net I also have many praise for all the information you provide to A.net in general. I just get a bit frustrated when I have to search or look-up those RC or ZA.... etc. numbers.

Once again thanks and keep up the good work.

  

The amount of time some spend compiling this information is mind blowing. Many of us who love the info but just don't have the time are indebted and thankful for it. For me it is the same thing with the 787 blogs where people expect you know all these numbers, letters, symbols etc. I don't care really what the manufacturer calls the aircraft. I care more about what airline and what number aircraft for them it is. So thanks guys!


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 77, posted (12 months 1 day ago) and read 35512 times:

According Skyliner, RC604 (AirBridgeCargo #4, N469BA, future VQ-BRH) has been returned to Paine Field from Pinal Airpark at August 03 ??
See : http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=3

Can anybody verify this ? The flight is not recorded at FlighAware or Flightradar24.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 78, posted (12 months 19 hours ago) and read 35363 times:

Quoting na (Reply 73):
and I think the only useful identification is the line-no., in this case thats 1480 and 1481

But in case of GoAibusGo in post #71, he still wouldn't know which airline the line numbers belongs to. I'll post both IATA and RC/LN numbers, that should make it clear for everyone  

Quoting 747classic (Reply 77):
Can anybody verify this ?

They also report the registration is N769BA instead of N469BA.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 77):
The flight is not recorded at FlighAware or Flightradar24.

You can also try planefinder.net



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 79, posted (12 months 16 hours ago) and read 35287 times:

Aviation Week's Sean Broderick wrote this about the freighter market recently. It provides insight into what drives Atlas' market. For instance, they are seeing a significant dip in military traffic. Good thing the gamers are demanding the latest video games. Discouraging is Atlas' saying results for the entire freight market next year may not duplicate Atlas' projected second-half 2013 success.

The article:

An expected bump in air freight demand created in part by two new video game systems and a decline in subsidized one-way flying has Atlas Air bullish on the second half of 2013, company executives report.

“Several major products, particularly the [Microsoft] Xbox One and [Sony] PlayStation 4...should drive fairly significant demand for schedule capacity, as well as into the charter market,” Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings President William Flynn said on the company’s quarterly earnings call Aug. 1.

Ironically, a decline in another Atlas business segment—military flights—will help bolster its main business of moving commercial freight, Flynn notes. Flynn says there has been “a very dramatic decline” in one-way requests by the military. The result: a decrease in de facto subsidized commercial freight capacity on the return trips.

Just a few years ago, for example, the Hong Kong-U.S. West Coast market had 20 to 25 Boeing 747s per week available to fly freight on the back side of one-way military trips into Asia. Today, that number is closer to “six, maybe seven,” he explains, “and that’s not expected to increase.”

Atlas expects to have “20-plus” of its 33 747 freighters in wet-lease deals by year end, up from the second quarter’s average of 19.6. Eight of the airline’s nine 747-8s are in wet-lease deals, and the ninth—flying commercial charters—may join them. The carrier is “actively marketing” its 747-400s, and expects to have at least half of its 24-plane fleet in wet-lease operations “between now and the end of the year,” Flynn says. The biggest demand increase
is expected in the fourth quarter.

Cargo and passenger wet lease operations are expected to make up about 75% of the block hours Atlas flies in 2013.

More Atlas cargo business in the Asia-U.S. market would buck the current trend. The International Air Transport Association (IATA) says that while global freight ton kilometers (FTKs) were up 1.2% in June compared to a year ago, Asia-Pacific demand declined 1.8% in the month and is down 2.3% for the year.

“This is the weakest performance among the regions and reflects the broad impact of the slowing Chinese economic
expansion,” IATA reports in its half-year cargo traffic update.

Flynn says his company’s projected second-half success may not be a harbinger for the global freight market.

“[I]t’s probably a little early to call an inflection point,” he acknowledges. “[W]e are seeing growth across the several trade lanes that are important, not just the intercontinental...but for where Atlas flies, which include South America, Middle East, Africa—good growth there. And big part of the Atlas story [are] the Atlas customers and how are they doing with their businesses.”


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Reply 80, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 34938 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 77):
Can anybody verify this ? The flight is not recorded at FlighAware or Flightradar24.

RC604 is currently on its way to PAE.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130807/1600Z/KMZJ/KPAE




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Reply 81, posted (11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 34637 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 80):
RC604 is currently on its way to PAE.

And here the picture of it landing. What other reason could this return have other than preparation for delivery?
http://paineairport.com/kpae6595.htm


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 82, posted (11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 34635 times:

I read ABC got a new management, perhaps they found a business case for this frame.

More pictures of the landing can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 83, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 34407 times:

Boeing now confirmed the range increase to 8200nm. They also posted a bit more information about the engine PIP progress.

> RC021 has flown 218 hours since testing started in May.
> Engine certification and first deliveries in Q4 of this year.
> The engine upgrade will will improve fuel burn by 1.8%.
> More weight reductions to come.
> Range will be increased to 8200nm in two to three years from now.

http://www.boeingblogs.com/randy/arc...8/getting_better_all_the_time.html



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 578 posts, RR: 8
Reply 84, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 34315 times:

Quoting na (Reply 81):

And here the picture of it landing. What other reason could this return have other than preparation for delivery?

Delivery tentatively scheduled for mid-September.


User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 34166 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 83):
> Range will be increased to 8200nm in two to three years from now.

Still about 200-300nm short, bummer. The 747-8 needs at least 8500nm to attract potential customers.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 86, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 34135 times:

Cathay LN 1433 / RC553 on a customer flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130809/1800Z/KPAE/KMWH

[Edited 2013-08-09 13:26:50]


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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2091 posts, RR: 14
Reply 87, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 33956 times:

The next 747-8F (Cathay #13) has left the assembly line, see :
http://paineairport.com/kpae6600.htm

Full aircraft data : L/N 1486, 747-867F, RC563, serial number 43825, Cathay Pacific #13, B-LJM, scheduled delivery December 2013.
This airframe was original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC633, Air China Cargo #3, but was not taken up as part of a complex deal between Boeing , Air China and Cathay Pacific, whereby several aircraft orders and or commitments were renegotiated and several 747-400BCF aircraft were traded in.



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Reply 88, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 33552 times:

Any news about when D-ABYK will be delivered to LH?

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Reply 89, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 33495 times:

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 85):
Still about 200-300nm short, bummer. The 747-8 needs at least 8500nm to attract potential customers.

I am confused by this. I see the improvement in weights and TSFC (trip cost) as being much more important to operators than an increase in range. That carriers that would need the range (ME3) have already passed on the 748 and I don't see that changing even if the range were increased.

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Reply 90, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 33350 times:

Quoting na (Reply 88):
Any news about when D-ABYK will be delivered to LH?

D-ABYK is still scheduled for mid August, so she is expected to be delivered next week.

Other Lufthansa 747-8 news :

The cabin of D-ABYA has been upgraded with FLYNET. The aircraft made here first flight (DLH796-EDDF-VHHH) at August 8 after being upgraded at Lufthansa Technik Hamburg. The aircraft was in the hangar from July 11 till Aug 8.
Presently D-ABYF is being upgraded and has been flown to Hamburg at August 8.
Currently no FLYNET installed at D-ABYC and -D (some of the cabin wiring was factory installed , but no SatCom antenna)
Factory equipped with FLYNET are all 747-830 aircraft from D-ABYG, look for the SatCom antenna just behind the hump, as a FLYNET identifier.

------------------------D-ABYC no SatCom antenna----------------------------------------D-ABYG with SatCom antenna


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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 89):
am confused by this. I see the improvement in weights and TSFC (trip cost) as being much more important to operators than an increase in range.


The payload/range will be according the original specification by the increased operating weights, restored engine TSFC and tail tank activation at the start of 2014.

Further OEW reductions and aerodynamic tweaks will increase the total performance (incl. SFC) in 2015/2016 further than original specified.(Program Ozark).
The range increase is only one of the results of the better overall performance.

[Edited 2013-08-11 08:28:57]


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Reply 91, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 33250 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 89):

I see the range of 8500nm as a critical marker. IIRC Emirates wanted 8500nm range for the 747NG (now 747-8i). It's too late for them now but maybe there are still others who demand that range. A nominal range of 8200nm is a bit short for i.e. HKG-JFK year-round without any restrictions.


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Reply 92, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 33179 times:
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Can we keep this thread about production and delivery and move the discussion about performance to "Project Ozark" For 748 Improvements? (by LH707330 Aug 6 2013 in Civil Aviation)?

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Reply 93, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 33144 times:

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 91):
I see the range of 8500nm as a critical marker.

Evidently, Why?

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 91):
IIRC Emirates wanted 8500nm range for the 747NG (now 747-8i)

Some have maintained that they never really had a genuine interest in the 748. I tend to agree.

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 91):
A nominal range of 8200nm is a bit short for i.e. HKG-JFK year-round without any restrictions.

I have a hard time understanding how 300nm can make a big difference at this distance. An 8,200nm aircraft on a 7knm polar route should be just fine. Certainly better than the 7,700-7,900 777s that currently fly that route. Even the A350s have design ranges (marginally) less than 8,500nm.

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Reply 94, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 32580 times:

Two delivery flights today:

RC553 for Cathay Pacific:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA3337

RC030 for DLH:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DLH9925
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[Edited 2013-08-13 12:40:28]

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Reply 95, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 32226 times:

L/N 1480, 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK just airborne at Paine Field for the delivery flight towards Frankfurt (EDDF/FRA) with call sign DLH9925.


Original uploaded by Matt Cawby, for other sizes see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/9508652640/



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Reply 96, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 32120 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 95):
L/N 1480, 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK just airborne at Paine Field for the delivery flight towards Frankfurt (EDDF/FRA) with call sign DLH9925.

When is it scheduled to land in FRA then?


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Reply 97, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 32107 times:

Quoting na (Reply 96):
When is it scheduled to land in FRA then?

It has already landed at 09.34 CEST.
D-ABYK, approach at FRA at August 14.

Original uploaded by Carsten Gurk, see for other sizes : http://www.flickr.com/photos/32090718@N05/9506310643/



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Reply 98, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32010 times:

Here is a link to a Boeing video about the 747-8 PIP program. It shows RC021, the current 747-8I test aircraft for the tests of the improved GEnx-2B engine and some water injection tests of this engine.

http://bcove.me/7r3n1bjf

Full aircraft data : L/N1435, 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, initialy used as 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1 (Not Taken Up - NTU), selcal code CS-HP, basic Lufthansa color scheme, without lettering and Lufthansa logo, D-ABYE( NTU), Scheduled LH delivery date would have been September-30-2012 .

Resumed additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMS updates) at May 20 2013, flight testing out of San Bernadino (KBSD) from May 26, returned to Moses Lake at June 18 for additional low altitude tests, from June 28 at Inca Manco Cápac Intl. airport Peru (JUL/SPJL) for high altitude airport tests, returned to Moses Lake via Houston at July 10, latest flight tests are flown from Boeing Field and Moses Lake, aircraft is up for sale after finishing of the test flights.

[Edited 2013-08-14 07:33:28]


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Reply 99, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 31806 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
Seen the roll-out date of the latest aircraft (L/N1483 - RC561) the assembly line is still producing at the rate of 2 aircraft /month.

According the latest info received, the reduction in assembly rate from 2 to 1,75 aircraft/month will start at L/N1492, 747-830, RC031, serial number 37836, D-ABYL, Lufthansa #10, scheduled delivery end of January 2014

That's about right. Spirit AeroSystems Q2 report reveals only 4 ship sets have been sent to Boeing instead of 6 per quarter.




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Reply 100, posted (11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 31484 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 95):
L/N 1480, 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK just airborne at Paine Field for the delivery flight towards Frankfurt (EDDF/FRA) with call sign DLH9925.

It seems that D-ABYK will be named "Hamburg".

http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa



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Reply 101, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 31320 times:

One of the three " engine-less " Cathay freighters has been moved to the temporally RW11-29 parking position at Paine Field. The aircraft is scheduled to be delivered at the end of 2013, powered by the improved GEnx-2B PIP engines.

See Matt Cawby's KPAE blog : http://paineairport.com/kpae6617.htm

Full aircraft data : L/N 1484, 747-867F, RC562, serial number 43536, Cathay Pacific #12, B-LJL, (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC632, Air China Cargo #2, Not Taken Up) , full CX livery, no engines, KPAE RW11-29 storage, scheduled delivery December 2013.



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Reply 102, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 31571 times:

And painted too. It's like history is repeating itself  


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Reply 103, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 30736 times:

Very nice aerial picture (first in the A-net data base) of B-LJK for Cathay Pacific Cargo.

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Full aircraft data : L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561, serial number 43394, Cathay Pacific #11, B-LJK, ( original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC631, Air China Cargo #1, Not Taken Up) , unpainted with white rudders, no engines, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery November 2013.



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Reply 104, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 30185 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 90):
The cabin of D-ABYA has been upgraded with FLYNET. The aircraft made here first flight (DLH796-EDDF-VHHH) at August 8 after being upgraded at Lufthansa Technik Hamburg. The aircraft was in the hangar from July 11 till Aug 8.
Presently D-ABYF is being upgraded and has been flown to Hamburg at August 8.
Currently no FLYNET installed at D-ABYC and -D (some of the cabin wiring was factory installed , but no SatCom antenna)

Here is the first picture of D-ABYA, with the SatCom antenna installed (just behind the hump).
EDDF/FRA, August 17, 2013.

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Reply 105, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 29827 times:

VQ-BGZ (L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1 :

Three engines damaged and one auto relight during crystal icing encounter at July 31 at a flight from Moscow towards Hongkong.
See : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...uring-747-8f-ice-encounter-389763/
See seperate thread for more background info : 748 Serious Icing Incident (by yellowtail Aug 22 2013 in Civil Aviation)



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Reply 106, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 29632 times:

Time to dig up some memories, Russell Hill just uploaded a beautiful picture of RC001 as it was in September 27, 2011.


N6067E by sabian404, on Flickr



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Reply 107, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 29404 times:

Looks like Nippon Cargo RC527 finished final assembly.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371069254939836416



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Reply 108, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 28932 times:

Cargolux RC509 / LX-VCI coming back from long term storage at Pinal Airpark.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20130827/1500Z/KMZJ/KPAE



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Reply 109, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 28877 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 108):
Cargolux RC509 / LX-VCI coming back from long term storage at Pinal Airpark.

So it will possibly be delivered earlier than "end of the year".


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Reply 110, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 28714 times:

Quoting na (Reply 109):
So it will possibly be delivered earlier than "end of the year".

Hopefully by the end of September.


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Reply 111, posted (11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 28290 times:

NCA RC521 / JA11KZ out for a test flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130829/1700Z/KPAE/KMWH

Still wearing the Boeing livery.


JA11KZ by NickDean2, on Flickr

[Edited 2013-08-29 11:28:16]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 112, posted (11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 28208 times:

And while we wait for any delivery or production updates, here's Boeing 747 inventory in Everett (frames in Pinal Airpark (3) and RC021 testbed not included):

1) Cargolux RC509, flightline stall 203, back from storage at Pinal Airpark, delivery in September.



2) NCA RC521, flightline stall 204, made a test flight today, awaiting new paint job, delivery in October/November.



3) NCA RC526, tower ramp, unpainted, stored without engines, delivery date unknown.



4) NCA RC527, flightline stall 108, just finished final assembly, unpainted, no engines, delivery date unknown.



5) Korean Air Cargo RC548, tower ramp, unpainted, stored without engines, delivery slated for April 2014.



6) Cathay Pacific Cargo RC562, flightline stall 110, painted, no engines, delivery in November.



7) Cathay Pacific Cargo RC563, tower ramp, unpainted, no engines, delivery at the end of the year.



8) Boeing RC573, Atlas Air NTU, stored on runway 11-29 with engines.



9) ABC RC604, flightline stall 205, back from storage at Pinal Airpark, delivery in September/October.



All frames are cut out from http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9616010395/

The only one missing in the picture is Cathay Pacific Cargo RC561, it might be inside the paint hangar.

[Edited 2013-08-29 13:06:50]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 113, posted (11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 27845 times:

ABC RC604 / LN 1463 during its storage period in MZJ.


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Reply 114, posted (11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 27829 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
And while we wait for any delivery or production updates

No monthly update of the "Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List " at September 1, due my (late) Summer holidays.

Regards,
Peter.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 115, posted (11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 26872 times:

No problem Peter!

Here's a nice picture of Cargolux RC509:


N775BA by Powercube, on Flickr

Also a very nice shot of this engineless, unpainted freighter (must be NCA or Cathay, both have a white rudder):


Unclear who purchased this frame by Powercube, on Flickr

And last but not least, AirBridgeCargo RC604 is scheduled for a check flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130903/1930Z/KPAE/KMWH



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Reply 116, posted (11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 26687 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 115):
Also a very nice shot of this engineless, unpainted freighter (must be NCA or Cathay, both have a white rudder)

Must be NCA as the leading edge of the rudders have the light and dark blue of NCA pre painted. (where its hidden until the rudders are at full throw).



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Reply 117, posted (11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 26507 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 115):
Here's a nice picture of Cargolux RC509:

Didnt we agree not to use the RC code alone anymore? Please use the line-no, that is easier to identify than this "secret service" code!


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 118, posted (11 months 23 hours ago) and read 26247 times:

NCA LN 1487 / RC527 was moved to the fuel dock.


Boeing 787-9 On The Move In The Fog by moonm, on Flickr

Quoting na (Reply 117):
Didnt we agree not to use the RC code alone anymore? Please use the line-no, that is easier to identify than this "secret service" code!

You're right, sorry  



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Reply 119, posted (10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 25908 times:

NCA LN 1421 / RC521 ferry flight to PDX for a new coat of paint.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130906/1930Z/KPAE/KPDX



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Reply 120, posted (10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 25680 times:

Tower ramp storage area.


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Reply 121, posted (10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 25489 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 100):
It seems that D-ABYK will be named "Hamburg".

This information was not correct, D-ABYK has been named "Rheinland-Pfalz".

http://www.flickr.com/photos/axel_j/9692664435/



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Reply 122, posted (10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 25190 times:

Korean Air Cargo LN 1481 / RC548 in storage at the tower ramp.


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Reply 123, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 24902 times:

Here's a nice picture showing the SatCom on top of the LH 747-8i aircraft:


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Reply 124, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 24845 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 121):
This information was not correct, D-ABYK has been named "Rheinland-Pfalz".

I would be very surprised if not one of the next A380s would be being named "Hamburg". The planes are being outfitted and delivered there, so Hamburg deserves more than München to have a A380 named after the city.


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Reply 125, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 24813 times:

So the next deliveries will be LX-VCI and RC604 / LN 1463 for Air Bridge, both this or next month?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 123):
Here's a nice picture showing the SatCom on top of the LH 747-8i aircraft:

Thanks, thats D-ABYK on the day of delivery.


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Reply 126, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 24498 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 119):
NCA LN 1421 / RC521 ferry flight to PDX for a new coat of paint.

Photographer "planephotoman" captured the arrival of LN 1421 in PDX:



A bigger picture can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/planephotoman/9699625532/

And two more pictures can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/planephotoman/9699630052/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/planephotoman/9699621150/

Quoting na (Reply 125):
So the next deliveries will be LX-VCI and RC604 / LN 1463 for Air Bridge, both this or next month?

Both should deliver this month, but this could easily slip into next month.



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Reply 127, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 24260 times:

The next 747-8 freighter emerged from assembly line: Korean Air Cargo LN 1488 / RC549.


DSC_9567 by moonm, on Flickr



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Reply 128, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 24209 times:

BA World Cargo G-GSSF (LN 1445) visited AMS two days ago.


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Reply 129, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 23888 times:

AirBridgeCargo LN 1463 awaiting delivery.


N769BA from above by Powercube, on Flickr



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Reply 130, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 23685 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 129):
AirBridgeCargo LN 1463 awaiting delivery.

LN 1463 was moved to the Delivery Center today.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/378240495266197504



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Reply 131, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23361 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 130):
LN 1463 was moved to the Delivery Center today

RC604 has been handed over to the customer, but she remains parked at the EDC. Delivery flight early next week (KPAE runway 16R-34L closed this weekend for maintenance work).


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Reply 132, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22718 times:

RC604 delivery delayed for reasons unknown.

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Reply 133, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 22491 times:

Another Nippon Cargo and Cathay 748F are in paint. The first one must be LN 1485 (RC526), the second one could be either LN 1483 (RC561) or LN1486 (RC563).


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Reply 134, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 21629 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 132):
RC604 delivery delayed for reasons unknown.

It's back at the delivery center.


DSC_0399 by moonm, on Flickr



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Reply 135, posted (10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 21248 times:

Another engine-less Cathay 748F has been painted, not sure if it's LN 1484 or 1486.


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Reply 136, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 21001 times:

LN 1437 did a test flight on September 19.

Picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/9830102395/

Flight path:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130919/1800Z/KPAE/KMWH



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Reply 137, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 20708 times:

NCA LN 1469 (JA14KZ) will be ferried from Marana to KPAE today.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/382042756740177920



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Reply 138, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 20463 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 137):
A LN 1469 (JA14KZ) will be ferried from Marana to KPAE today.


On her way back from six months in the desert:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE524

Confusion over the status of RC604 (LN1463) continues. Now it appears she was handed over to AirBridge Cargo on 20 September.

[Edited 2013-09-23 12:48:16]

[Edited 2013-09-23 12:49:27]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 139, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 20359 times:

NCA LN 1421 (JA11KZ) is in paint and will return to PAE later today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130923/2300Z/KPDX/KPAE

Together with JA14KZ, it looks like NCA will take delivery of at least two frames this year.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 140, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20167 times:

NCA LN 1421 (JA11KZ):


JA11KZ by sabian404, on Flickr

NCA LN 1469 (JA14KZ):


N772BA by Powercube, on Flickr



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 141, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20175 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 138):
Confusion over the status of RC604 (LN1463) continues. Now it appears she was handed over to AirBridge Cargo on 20 September.

Airlinereporter.com has this nice picture of RC604, seen from the inside of the EDC:


Boeing's Everett Delivery Center by AirlineReporter.com, on Flickr



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10657 posts, RR: 9
Reply 142, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20135 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 139):
Together with JA14KZ, it looks like NCA will take delivery of at least two frames this year.

And with both planes now basically ready to fly away I think that wont be long. Will NCA return a 744F to the lessor?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 141):
Airlinereporter.com has this nice picture of RC604, seen from the inside of the EDC:

Still not flown to Russia?


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Reply 143, posted (10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20126 times:

Quoting na (Reply 142):
And with both planes now basically ready to fly away I think that wont be long

I believe LN 1421 is due for November.

Quoting na (Reply 142):
Will NCA return a 744F to the lessor?

I believe so. If I remember it correctly, NCA deferred 748 delivery until the older 744s must return to the lessor.

Quoting na (Reply 142):
Still not flown to Russia?

Not yet.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 144, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 19866 times:

AirBridgeCargo LN 1463 / RC604 is back on the flightline and technicians are working on it.



Picture cut out of http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/9925947196/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 145, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 19572 times:

Cargolux LN 1478 / RC509 scheduled for a test flight today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...9/history/20130926/1800Z/KPAE/KPAE



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 146, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 19412 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 145):
Cargolux LN 1478 / RC509 scheduled for a test flight today.

The flight plan has been removed and LN 1478 was moved to the delivery center.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/383277881104662529



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Reply 147, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 19354 times:

Cargolux LN 1478 / RC509 delivery flight PAE-LAX-LUX:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...9/history/20130926/1800Z/KPAE/KLAX

[Edited 2013-09-26 11:47:37]


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User currently offlineLH422 From Germany, joined Sep 2010, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19231 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 147):
Cargolux LN 1478 / RC509 delivery flight PAE-LAX-LUX:

Why the detour? Do they actually pick up cargo?


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Reply 149, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19220 times:

Yes they pick up cargo in LAX, they have done this before after delivery.

[Edited 2013-09-26 14:54:13]


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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 150, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19088 times:

Can I ask the experts, I read somewhere that Boeing will start producing 748s with no customer next year to keep production rates up. Is this true?

Also if an airline in theory was to put an order in today for some
747-8i, how soon could they start receiving them and how quickly could a batch of then be delivered given other airlines have slots assigned to them already?

Thanks.

[Edited 2013-09-26 22:57:36]

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Reply 151, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19069 times:
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Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 150):
I read somewhere that Boeing will start producing 748s with no customer next year to keep production rates up. Is this true?

Last I heard was Boeing was reducing the production rate from 2 per month to 1.75 per month with additional reductions as necessary.



Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 150):
Also if an airline in theory was to put an order in today for some 747-8i, how soon could they start receiving them and how quickly could a batch of then be delivered given other airlines have slots assigned to them already?

I believe they have slots open in 2014. Definitely in 2015.


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 152, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19129 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 151):
Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 150):
Also if an airline in theory was to put an order in today for some 747-8i, how soon could they start receiving them and how quickly could a batch of then be delivered given other airlines have slots assigned to them already?

I believe they have slots open in 2014. Definitely in 2015.

Thanks for the info. What is the lead time Boeing need to start making a 748F vs 748i. If they start producing white tails, presumably Boeing will choose 748F ones rather than 748i?

Now many slots are available in 2014 and could an airline get 748is next year?

Just hearing some rumours and want to try and figure out if the rumour is feasible.


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Reply 153, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19119 times:

I believe the production rate will go down to 1.75 frames per month from LN 1492 onward.

So far 11 of the 21 2014 slots have been assigned:

> LN 1494: Lufthansa
> LN 1495: BBJ
> LN 1496: GECAS
> LN 1497: Lufthansa
> LN 1498: Lufthansa
> LN 1499: Air China
> LN 1500: Lufthansa
> LN 1501: Silk Way Airlines
> LN 1502: Silk Way Airlines
> LN 1503: Lufthansa
> LN 1504: -
> LN 1505: -
> LN 1506: -
> LN 1507: -
> LN 1508: Korean Airlines
> LN 1509 and beyond: all unfilled

The backlog itself if worth 2.5 years of production but the deliveries are spread over the next few years.

[Edited 2013-09-27 00:54:50]


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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 154, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 19103 times:

Thanks.
So it is entirely possible that a company could put in an order of say 10 -8is and get them starting next year?


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Reply 155, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 19091 times:

NCA LN 1485 (JA16KZ) is in paint and moved to storage.


Around KPAE 9-26-13 by moonm, on Flickr


Around KPAE 9-26-13 by moonm, on Flickr


Around KPAE 9-26-13 by moonm, on Flickr



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10905 posts, RR: 32
Reply 156, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 19102 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 154):
So it is entirely possible that a company could put in an order of say 10 -8is and get them starting next year?

For an existing customer, yes. For a new customer? Unlikely, because it takes a few years for an airline to prepare a new type to enter the fleet.



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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 157, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 19088 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 156):
Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 154):
So it is entirely possible that a company could put in an order of say 10 -8is and get them starting next year?

For an existing customer, yes. For a new customer? Unlikely, because it takes a few years for an airline to prepare a new type to enter the fleet.

Not necessarily for us...all our manuals basically cover the 748i since we operate the 748F. It would just take some time to establish the cabin fit.


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Reply 158, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 19051 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 157):
Not necessarily for us

I assume you're talking about CX? Do you mind sharing those rumors?  



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Reply 159, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19066 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 158):
Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 157):
Not necessarily for us

I assume you're talking about CX? Do you mind sharing those rumors?

Well I must stress that this is only a rumour. Equally I heard a rumour months ago that we had already ordered A380s which has obviously so far proved untrue. We have many rumours and many turn out to be untrue and in fact there are so many rumours that eventually one of these 'guesses' of course has to turn out to be correct - but a lucky guess.

This latest one is that Boeing is offering a lease deal for CX to take 12+ 748i asap, and in return buy some of our old 744s as a trade in. The second part of this rumour is that the 748i is only a stop gap until the 779X arrives at CX, at which point Boeing will take the 748i fleet back.