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Indian Aviation Thread Part 104  
User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 394 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22571 times:

Part 103 got archived and cannot be continued, and since no one started a new thread, I am taking the liberty. Click here to read Part 103.

Looks like Jet is starting the closing of its BRU scissor hub. As per a ch-aviation report

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Jet Airways (9W, Mumbai Int'l) has filed for slots with Amsterdam Airport authorities to operate a daily A330-300 Delhi Int'l - Amsterdam - Toronto Pearson frequency, along with a daily A330-300 Mumbai Int'l - Amsterdam direct flight with effect from Winter 2013. In effect, this signifies the end of Jet's Brussels National scissors hub as well as the possible suspension of the destination itself as a whole. Jet's Newark service is expected to be re-routed as Mumbai Int'l - Abu Dhabi Int'l - Newark using a B777-300(ER) codeshared with new equity partner, Etihad Airways (EY, Abu Dhabi Int'l).



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22566 times:

Air India to commence DEL-SYD-MEL triangular service from end August.

From AirlineRoute

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After 16 years of service suspension, Air India from 29AUG13 returns to Australia market with Boeing 787 aircraft. Subject to Government Approval, the airline plans to operate 3 weekly Delhi – Melbourne – Sydney – Delhi and 4 weekly in opposite direction, starting 29AUG13. Reservation for Australia service opened on late-Friday 28JUN13 in the GDS (the airline has not yet open reservation on its own website).

Delhi – Sydney – Melbourne – Delhi eff 29AUG13 4 weekly
AI312 DEL1345 – 0630+1SYD0800+1 – 0935+1MEL 788 x357
AI311 SYD0800 – 0935MEL1050 – 1835DEL 788 x146

Delhi – Melbourne – Sydney – Delhi eff 30AUG13 3 weekly
AI312 DEL1300 – 0530+1MEL0700+1 – 0830+1SYD 788 357
AI311 MEL0700 – 0830SYD1000 – 1810DEL 788 146

Air India last operated service to Sydney in January 1991 with 1 weekly Delhi – Singapore – Sydney on board Boeing 747; Melbourne last served in April 1981. Perth was served until June 1997.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 22334 times:

Thanks Devesh for restarting this thread.

Jetihad is in major trouble on the regulatory front - essentially 9W seems to be passing on full control though they've sold only 24% stake.

Quoting the papers today:

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Under the proposed transaction, Jet would sell its 24 per cent to Etihad Airways. Concerns have been primarily raised on the proposed ownership and control structure of the domestic airlines.

The PMO has asked for a review of the deal and it's likely to go under intense scrutiny (read - no official will let it go through as they'd then be suspected of colluding with the moneybags at Jetihad).



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 22221 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 2):
Jetihad is in major trouble on the regulatory front - essentially 9W seems to be passing on full control though they've sold only 24% stake.

Two video reports from TimesNow TV.

The first report shows the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) trying to distance itself from the Jetihad deal despite a minutes of meeting (MOM) of an Inter-Ministerial Group of India's Finance, Foreign, Commerce and Civil Aviation ministers being called at the specific request of the Prime Minister. Quite obviously the PMO is running scared to protect against any blowback like the 2G scandal. http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4431100.cms

The second report today shows the Civil Aviation Minister Ajit Singh strongly backing the deal. http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4431134.cms

Quite obviously, Ajit Singh needs to have his position strong. If his pushed deal gets cancelled, he is shown to be weak. Also we must keep in mind, he needs to build his election war chest and of his party.



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User currently offlineflybhx764 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 22165 times:

Certain countries to the UK will have to pay a £3000 security bond deposit to travel to the UK for a 6 month visa. If you overstay or don't come back you will not get it back. The countries include India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nigeria and a few other African countries.

This is going to affect Airlines. Airlines like Air India who have are starting BHX 4 times a week and we looking into a northern airport like Glasgow or Edinburgh for a 3 times a week service to Delhi have said it will affect business which means they will have to cut capacity to the UK as this fee is per person and not per family. They are looking to charge £5000 for a 2 year visa deposit. This is a good idea for the government to stop the over stay situation but will affect Air travel to the specific countires.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/fo...00-pounds-cash-bond-deposit-383041

http://articles.economictimes.indiat...1857_1_visa-rules-british-visas-uk


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 22083 times:

Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 4):
This is a good idea for the government to stop the over stay situation but will affect Air travel to the specific countires.

This is going to hurt the genuine tourists and visitors the most. Those who go on holidays or for VFR will not do so. This wil impact a bit on tourism figures as a lot if Indians do vacation in UK.

On the other hand, for those who intend to overstay and abscond and become illegals, £3000 will not be a detterent. Infact it will be a small price as compared to the tens of thousands they pay to trickster agents now by selling their lands/houses.

I think the process should be on case by case basis. The visa issuing authorities should levy a deposit after interviewing candidates for visas. Or allow travellers to authorise this deposit on credit cards or as a bank guarantee. This will free up cash for the intended travel....


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21870 times:

Appears that the India Abu Dhabi bilateral air services agreement is a quid-pro-quo for overall UAE investment in India. http://www.livemint.com/Politics/hT4...-concerns-on-Indian-investmen.html


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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21794 times:

From: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...-in-india/articleshow/20902050.cms

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AirAsia boss Tony Fernandes targets Naresh Goyal, Subramanian Swamy and unfair aviation rules in India

India's aviation sector and its business environment got a rude reality check on July 3, this time from AirAsia boss Tony Fernandes, the latest suitor for a piece of the country's skies.

Fernandes, whose Malaysian group plans to launch an airline in India later this year, launched a blistering attack on restrictive Indian aviation rules and blamed Jet Airways boss Naresh Goyal for some of them, in a rare display of candour that covered everyone from partners to rivals to authorities.

Referring to a rule that prevents local airlines from flying abroad until they complete five years of operations and own 20 aircraft, Fernandes said: "That's probably put in by Naresh (Goyal) or someone else to protect themselves."

When his comments, made at a packed news conference in Delhi to discuss his low-cost airline's proposed launch in October, drew guffaws, he rubbed it in: "You are laughing, so I am right."

In this context, I saw this interesting article on Bangalore aviation today:

From: http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...-interests-shaping-government.html

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Fernandes' outburst is understandably, also vested. After all, he is responsible to the shareholders of his business for delivering results. One way for his new venture AirAsia India to quickly grow, would be to operate internationally. Today AirAsia cannot carry passengers all the way from south east Asia to the middle-east on its narrow body A320s, since the distance it too great. At the same time. some of the routes would not have enough traffic to fill the wide-body A330s of AirAsia X. But if AirAsia India flies overseas, it can be fed by its sisters AirAsia, and Thai AirAsia who would bring passengers to the Indian hubs and transfer them on their Indian sister along with Indian passengers for the onward journey to the middle-east. Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Or is Tony Fernandes genuinely interested in universal change to fair play rules?

Personally my take is that Tony's complaining less about the 5 year rule, but more about the mess that the Indian aviation industry is. Airports are too expensive. Fuel is priced sky high. He's actually thinking of avoiding the biggest two markets completely due to the sky high charges. I don't think he needs a large fleet of 320s just to serve BLR, MAA and COK (with perhaps some airports in AP thrown in). And the whole thought of a "low cost airport" is a complete misnomer with the govt. happy to sit back and soak up 46% of the revenues of an airport without lifting their fingers. Where does this leave aviation in India? How can Tony replicate his Malaysian successes here? Can Tony replicate his Malaysian successes here?



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 394 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 21734 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
This is going to hurt the genuine tourists and visitors the most. Those who go on holidays or for VFR will not do so. This wil impact a bit on tourism figures as a lot if Indians do vacation in UK.

So true. But then, the British authorities are seemingly banking on the fact that many Indians already live in the UK and therefore their relatives will come to the UK for holidays naturally.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
On the other hand, for those who intend to overstay and abscond and become illegals, £3000 will not be a detterent. Infact it will be a small price as compared to the tens of thousands they pay to trickster agents now by selling their lands/houses.

Now I understand where India was taught how to make ineffective and ill-thought legislation
     



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 21681 times:

Tony's going to find it tough in the current Indian scenario.....I heard major mx is going to be carried out by Airworks India.


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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21442 times:

In context of the horrific OZ 772 crash at SFO - I noticed there were 3 Indian pax on that plane. Anyone know if they were connecting from DEL/BOM? Or SFO based traffic to/from ICN?


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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 21405 times:

What is the current status of IPG? Is it recognized by AI. It appears even ICPA was de-recognized and recognized by AI in the past. Couldn't find any info on current status.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13551 posts, RR: 100
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21364 times:
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Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 6):
Appears that the India Abu Dhabi bilateral air services agreement is a quid-pro-quo for overall UAE investment in India. http://www.livemint.com/Politics/hT4...-concerns-on-Indian-investmen.html

I'm not surprised. Who wants to invest unless more trade will happen? That is normal. Actually, what is normal is more open bilaterals that naturally enable trade and investment.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1524 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 21139 times:

Reading Tony Fernandes' interviews and all the noises he's making about AirAsia India, am I the only one who feels he's either stating the obvious or talking a fair bit of rubbish?

For instance, we do not need him to come and tell us that the 5 year, 20 aircraft rule for international routes is stupid, we do not need him to remind us that Naresh Goyal is indeed super-croc and his appointment of senior executives for AirAsia India have been anything but awe inspiring. Claims that he'd crack break even at sub 60% SLF flying A320s on non-metro routes also appears overly optimistic to say the least.

So why would a canny airline CEO like Tony - who's been there, done it, antagonize the Government, the competition and paint a big bulls-eye on his backside unless he wants to kiss it Tata !!!!

Am I missing something?

brgds//Vimanav



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6094 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 21108 times:

Cebu Pacific allowed to serve India http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...cific-gets-clearance-to-india.html

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20920 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 13):
Claims that he'd crack break even at sub 60% SLF flying A320s on non-metro routes also appears overly optimistic to say the least.

Wonder how these statements by tony will convince those that do not want to be convinced



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User currently offlineVTORD From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 20843 times:

I think Tony is cannily generating a lot of buzz for his airline. He's already got the government to bend the FDI policy on start up airlines and at least one website is reporting that the GoI is re-considering the 5yr/20 ac rule......I think Ratan Tata has a lot of pull in New Delhi so Tony might not really be antagonizing the government. And there is no such thing as bad publicity.

As far as his explanation for choice of CEO - that was a bit baffling, since he has not worked in India or aviation and I believe I remember reading Tony's comments that "he is Indian so he is a perfect choice".



Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as you like.
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6094 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20707 times:

Ukraine international consider launching DEL service with their first 767-300.

[Edited 2013-07-12 09:10:17]

User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 570 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20692 times:

The first E190 for Air Costa has been delivered,

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-C...d=d6d9f693f89772a8144b9c9c1fdcaa29

Must I say that's the first trendy paint on any Indian airline, way to go.   



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6094 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20685 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 18):

is it? I think spice, indigo, paramount, indian, deccan 360, AI express, go air all met that standard looks wise, and this is inspired by Argentinas basic livery.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 570 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 20677 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 19):
I think spice, indigo, paramount, indian, deccan 360, AI express, go air all met that standard looks wise, and this is inspired by Argentinas basic livery.

Most Indian airlines have the boring Euro-ish white fuselage, while on a totally personal analogy, the Air Costa livery gets a dash of paint across. Just my      



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20483 times:

Will this proposal ever see light of day? If yes, is ir justified?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ice-bands/articleshow/21062206.cms

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Declaring "shock and awe" low fares alone will not suffice for airlines. They may soon have to disclose how many seats were actually sold at various price levels, including the jaw-dropping low ones.

The aviation ministry is set to form an economic cell that will collect this information from airlines and make it public. "If an airline says it is going to sell tickets for Rs 2,000 or Rs 3,000, people should also know many tickets did it actually sell for that money. The new cell is going to be activated in two weeks and will get all this data from airlines. We will make public how many seats were sold at various price levels," aviation minister Ajit Singh told TOI.



User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1583 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20483 times:

any news on any new routes to and from India?

User currently onlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 20459 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 13):
For instance, we do not need him to come and tell us that the 5 year, 20 aircraft rule for international routes is stupid, we do not need him to remind us that Naresh Goyal is indeed super-croc and his appointment of senior executives for AirAsia India have been anything but awe inspiring. Claims that he'd crack break even at sub 60% SLF flying A320s on non-metro routes also appears overly optimistic to say the least.

So why would a canny airline CEO like Tony - who's been there, done it, antagonize the Government, the competition and paint a big bulls-eye on his backside unless he wants to kiss it Tata !!!!

Agreed.

His fat claims on television to start a PNQ - KUL on A333 and all that bullshit only proceeded with the fact that they flopped miserably at BOM, DEL.

Regarding Air Asia India, either he is too naive or he is overconfident. Let him start and then he will shit bricks when he knows what it is to operate in a pathetically policy crippled skies like India.



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20446 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 21):
Will this proposal ever see light of day? If yes, is ir justified?

It may be justified if airlines only have to disclose how many they sold on the lowest advertised fare. It can't be jsutified if they have to do it for all fare classes (and thus basically release the yield per city pair on any given flight.


25 Gr8circle : Hoping for an AI 787 to YYZ non-stop from India.....it would be from DEL obviously, but hoping AI can provide convenient connections to BOM and other
26 CaliAtenza : ah okay, yeah that would be nice actually. I hope TK expands in India....would love to have them as an option to where i need to be in India (BLR).
27 777way : Malindo and Malaysia Airlines launching new destinations there, Air Asia also interested in one.
28 Post contains links BLRAviation : http://businesstoday.intoday.in/stor...market-share-profits/1/196926.html And just a few days back there were news reports, AI was cutting fares to fa
29 Post contains links BLRAviation : Interesting story about how the politically savvy Naresh Goyal is getting check-mated by his rivals http://businesstoday.intoday.in/stor...ys-at-the-l
30 Post contains links 747megatop : 1) DEL - PEK http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...7/history/20130713/1250Z/ZBAA/VIDP why is the flight path following a dog's leg detour? a) Is this
31 Post contains links AirIndia : Wasnt there a rule about only quads allowed to fly over Himalayas. All twins were required to do the dog leg. This is due to engine out situation, wh
32 Post contains links CaliAtenza : http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...sis-emboldened-by-etihad-deal.html "Late last week, The Times of India reported Turkish Airlines, one of the wo
33 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Wow, talk about a huge expansion. TK certainly are certainly being very agressive. Seems they have taken a page out of the EK playbook
34 CaliAtenza : I welcome it, the more competition the better. Prices have gotten out of control lately and EK is one of the main culprits with regards to routes to
35 AirIndia : Is TK's cost base that low? Can they realistically undercut any MEB3 at all?
36 Post contains images BLRAviation : For the BLR-HKG segment the routing is correct. There are multiple air corridors traversing the Bay of Bengal over India in a South East to North Wes
37 Post contains links AirIndia : Spicejet getting rid of Expat pilots as rising $ hits the bottom line.... http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...ly-dollar/articleshow/21134272.cms Wh
38 747megatop : Thanks for englightening me on that. That definitely explains it ; I knew that there was some good reason but did not know till now.
39 lightsaber : I looked at fares 3 months out and they were back to normal ($1,535 LAX-AMD-LAX). There were outrageous a few months ago, but that seemed to be tempo
40 Post contains links BLRAviation : SQ is having special fares from India to LAX/SFO right now. http://www.singaporeair.com/jsp/cms/en_UK/promotions/in-promos.jsp but for two passengers
41 CaliAtenza : yeah 1535 seems alright. Yes they were pretty high a few months back, even just before the start of summer. But EK has been consistently high for a w
42 DTW2HYD : I guess it is OZ214 focused marketing.
43 ojas : Your above statements does not apply to India. Even if TK will be given rights, no way in hell can they make AMD, ATQ and CCU work. BLR, HYD, MAA; th
44 747megatop : Can any one help me understand why NRT/ICN is not connected non stop with South Indian destinations like MAA/BLR/HYD? Is it lack of O/D traffic combin
45 CaliAtenza : more than NRT, why isnt ICN connected to at least MAA. Samsung and Hyundai have their factories in and around Chennai, i dont know why Korean Air doe
46 ojas : You just got your answer here.
47 747megatop : Will the 787 change that? Any possibility of that happening?
48 ojas : Not in the near future.
49 BLRAviation : I interviewed the JAL Chairman on this topic. Sorry but A.net rules prohibit me from posting a link. Please visit Bangalore Aviation and search for M
50 lightsaber : Only a little. While the CASM will drop, I suspect EK will take the profits for themselves. Prices will all be supply and demand based and demand is
51 CaliAtenza : i dont remember if you saw, but there was an article back in Feb in TOI about ANA launching flights to MAA and BLR..they said they would fly 3 or 4 w
52 777way : PIA are using A310 now on both DEL flights from Lahore, as last operational 737 is doing domestic and Abu Dhabi, BOM down to just one weekly service,
53 Post contains images Nimish : Sounds like routes like IST-BLR/ HYD/ MAA are ideal for the 788 .
54 Post contains links Nimish : From: http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...y-services-at-indian-airports.html Very interesting and well researched article. And good to see that Ind
55 hohd : Even a 788 may be too much capacity for BLR, HYD and MAA to IST. Perhaps a 320 ER or 738/9 ER is adequate, about 4 times a week. Among the three HYD
56 Il62Mdakar : What’s the current status of Air Costa? I have seen the images of the EMB 190 being delivered through Las Palmas About 10 days ago and two EMB 170 h
57 BLRAviation : I can only assume that ANA came to the same decision as JAL. Toyota's maximum traffic is to Bangkok since the company is highly leveraging the Indo-T
58 Post contains links BLRAviation : One has to ponder why the banks are treating Mallya with kid gloves. Political pull aside, what are some of the reasons you would like to attribute fo
59 HAWK21M : Too bad 74% FDI in Aviation is not being considered at the moment.
60 Post contains links VIDP : Not too sure if this has been posted before. Singapore Airlines are launching their 3rd daily departure flight from New Delhi to Singapore effective f
61 VIDP : Bit off topic Actually Both Honda and Toyota seem to be taking advantage of the FTA. Infact till couple of months ago CRV was being imported as a CBU
62 Post contains links 747megatop : I know which article you are talking about as i read bangaloreaviation.com regularly. This is the article - http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...ai
63 Post contains links and images 747megatop : Wow, thrice daily on 777s where are the majority of these passengers going? What % is O&D? What % are going to Aus and what % are going to US? Ve
64 Post contains links BLRAviation : I wonder why so many Indians are so willing to sell Indian companies out to foreign ones. As the Jetihad deal shows, investing just 24% EY put in con
65 BLRAviation : Thanks for the support, and thanks for linking the article.
66 Post contains links 747megatop : I found an interesting thread that has been recently started on airliners.net. I find that thread and your thoughts are kind of in the same wavelengt
67 HAWK21M : When you start a business....its obviously not to favour someone else. Indian companies need funds......the GOI needs to help with the infrastructure
68 Gr8circle : Did AI just take or is about to take delivery of a new 787?
69 lightsaber : Its not something to worry about. For high risk, investors want a substantial potential reward. With the GoI, there is the risk they will take too mu
70 Post contains links 747megatop : Friends, according to http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/787family/787-8prod.page? the max of 787-8 is 7,650 to 8,200 nautical miles. So, am I c
71 Post contains links BLRAviation : India's Foreign Investment Promotion Board has given conditional approval to the Jetihad deal. http://www.business-standard.com/art...-wings-clipped-1
72 Post contains images HAWK21M : Lots of protection put in place
73 lightsaber : Just in time to keep the purchase price from dropping. Or is it? There are too many committees to go through... I wouldn't accept the change from Eng
74 HAWK21M : Any reason why the Nose wheel hub of the spicejet B737s are mostly yellow.........
75 BLRAviation : I agree on your logic, but still maintain that India is not so much of a beggar that it must take its pants off completely. Even in the depths of the
76 BLRAviation : No idea, but most of their newer planes are in white. I suspect these golden nose wheels, were from the original batch of leased 737s.
77 Post contains links Cricket : Air India wants to lease 19 (new I guess) A320's - dry lease, all-economy config and with Sharklets http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/t...ia-Survey/a
78 HAWK21M : Normally a coat of yellow on a L/G component indicates a reworked unit that has a larger ID,the colourcode is a check that the loose fitted one is no
79 Post contains links BLRAviation : Please check the link in your post. Correct links
80 Post contains links Cricket : oops... http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...20-planes/articleshow/21805609.cms corrected
81 HAWK21M : Wasn't the V2500 issue about high end turbine cracking.....
82 Post contains images comorin : US bashing again? We are talking investment here, not handouts. Just like Indian companies acquire assets abroad, foreign companies would like to inv
83 Post contains links United777 : According this article Spice Jet is looking to order up to 50 new aircraft and may change it's entire fleet to Airbus and possibly ATR. Is this true?
84 BLRAviation : If remember it was about the silver nuts in the HPT. Nope. not US bashing. Investments turn to handouts when companies expect a country to just drop
85 LJ : The slots 9W had at AMS for W13 are removed from the slot list. They're either on hold (as some rumours say) or have been returned. Anyway the chances
86 IndianicWorld : ^^ Haven't they done the same thing before in gaining AMS slits and not using them? I seem to remember this happening before but maybe it was another
87 LJ : No that's QR, which requests and receives slots for daily (or sometimes twice daily) DOH-AMS each Summer schedule, but always return them.
88 777way : Who bought the Jet airways 773 that was stored after being built few years back, was it fitted with seats and painted in Jet livery or needed to get t
89 COEWR787 : AFAIK the SEC in US will not protect an investor from a company that chooses to make stupid business decisions in M&A and decides to sell the far
90 BLRAviation : VT-JEL MSN36563 sold to Abu Dhabi Amiri.
91 Post contains links lightsaber : How is the EY/9W deal going? The reality is that 9W needs funding. EY has turned around AB. http://www.thenational.ae/business/i...rlin-thrives-in-eti
92 777way : thanks, any info on livery and interiors?
93 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G'day Definitons: Slit vb slits, slitting, slit (tr) 1. to make a straight long incision in; split open 2. to cut into strips lengthwise 3. to sever n
94 Post contains images Vimanav : @ Heavierthanair But for your above post, none of us would have caught on what IndianicWorld meant when he said "slits". Thanks for enlightening us na
95 Post contains images Karan69 : Nope , that is the range in ideal manufacturers conifg, and with no cargo AI's 787 should be able to do a 8-9 hour flight with full pax and cargo bey
96 Post contains images Heavierthanair : Thanks for your encouraging words Vimanav. I may accept your offer for a Kingfisher, for as long it is neither airline, bear or bird, I don't care fo
97 Vimanav : Kingfisher - the unknown extinct... Pete let's drink to the health of the English language with some 'desi' Cheers Vimanav
98 AirIndia : Thank fully it was slits and not another word with a "u" in place of "i"..... that wud be more interesting esp with AMS....
99 HAWK21M : My understanding was High end turbine cracks
100 fortunerunnner : Haven't seen this one posted here yet. SG launches PNQ-SHJ flight effective Sept 21. Schedule as follows, PNQ-SHJ SG 51 22:30 00:25 - Mon/Wed/Thu/Sat
101 777way : LOT to operate charters to Goa in winter with 787 according to airline route site, no schedule given.
102 Post contains links and images Nimish : Expect increased UDF at BLR soon http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...opment-fee-hike/article5053176.ece [quote]Cabinet okays user development fee h
103 comorin : This is a decision?!
104 Post contains links Cricket : So tarun in MINT has this story on how NG might now shift away from JetKonnect's "Low-Cost" model - I mean it was a high-cost model parading itself as
105 golfradio : And now I am even more confused. So now what is the difference between Jet and JetKonnect? And why do they need JetKonnect if it is at par with Jet?
106 Gr8circle : JetKonnect is a low cost wing of Jet Airways......they have a no-frills service (you have to buy food onboard, etc.), its all economy class, and so o
107 golfradio : It made some sense before. But the linked articles says they are now going to turn JetKonnect into a full service brand from an LCC.
108 Post contains images BLRAviation : Forget price and FSC vs. LCC, I think Goyal needs to stop selling confusion to his customers, that is of course assuming he is not confused.
109 Post contains links Cricket : For your viewing pleasure, Indigo made a music video celebrating their 7th anniversary http://youtu.be/b9J-OEhY8FQ
110 Gr8circle : Who knows.....maybe they want to shut it down in future......with the EY stake and all that, it may be a strategy that they are slowly executing....g
111 himmat01 : I recently had a very bad experience on Indigo. 1. The flight attendants took almost 2 hours to complete the service between row 15 and the last row(3
112 KL577 : I flew Indigo last year HYD-DEL, was seated in row 30. I was only served my pre-ordered meal about 20 minutes before landing in Delhi. Also more than
113 Post contains links Cricket : About Indigo, I guess the best way to address complaints like this is to their Twitter account @IndiGo6E In other news, India has been taken off the a
114 himmat01 : After a long wait, AI finally inaugurated the Kangaroo route half an hour back. VT-ANK is operating the first flight to SYD/MEL.
115 sankaps : Any new news in Air Asia India? What is the buzz in India on them? Any reactions to their somewhat unconventional CEO and senior management appointmen
116 Gr8circle : Is it by 787?
117 Post contains links sankaps : Yes indeed it is. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-ank
118 HAWK21M : 2013 will be the year......hopefully competition will improve services......
119 Gr8circle : Haha....not had the chance to visit India for some time, but from what I hear from people who travel down there, the service on Indian carriers on do
120 Post contains links and images himmat01 : Back to Sydney after 23 years. http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...the-first-time-20130830-2sue8.html
121 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Plane departed MEL 2 hours late apparently today back to DEL. Media certainly had to point that out and added the story regarding the 787s history of
122 Post contains images sankaps : This is Air India. Delays may be due to a thousand reasons not related to the 787!
123 Post contains images IndianicWorld : I know that all too well
124 golfradio : Congratulations to AI! I for one was a skeptic. Never believed they would restart MEL. My wish now is for a direct BOM-
125 karan69 : Nope, even the 777s do, not sure about 320s Karan
126 Post contains links and images golfradio : Ugh, the edit function messed up my post. I was saying that my wish was for a direct BOM-YYZ flight. And I was asking if the reg# on the wing was a ne
127 Post contains links and images karan69 : Have logged quite a few flights with AI on domestic as well but just cant remember the 320s have it or not, only sure about the fact that the 319 VT-
128 Gr8circle : The entire B707 fleet and the 742 and 743 fleets back in the day, all had registrations on the upper surface of the wing.....usually on the right win
129 BLRAviation : AFAIK, all Indian aircraft are required to have the registration on the wing. Right wing on the top side left wing on the bottom.
130 Vimanav : ICAO Annex 7 Aircraft Nationality and Registration Marks states about the location of registration marks: 4.3 Heavier-than-air aircraft 4.3.1 Wings.
131 Post contains links golfradio : IAE V-2500 A5 engines supplied by the US-based company to Kingfisher Airlines were “inherently defective, both in design and manufacture.” Unbelie
132 sankaps : The man has no shame. It is true that the IAE engines were prone to a certain kind of failure if pushed too hard in hot and dry conditions or some su
133 freqflyer : Indigo was protected by the nature of its contract with the Engine manufacturers who iirc had to do a lot of replacements/repair on 6E aircraft for f
134 karan69 : The lawsuit was filed a year ago, media is just trying to throw stones at a dead bird Karan
135 Post contains links sankaps : Well then, it was a failure of management then to sign the right kind of contract, which in this case would be a "power by the hour" contract. Media
136 Post contains links Nimish : From; http://macaubusinessdaily.com/Busine...-flights-Delhi-win-Indian-approval
137 HAWK21M : KF downfall was partially accelerated by poor MGMT.......
138 sankaps : Partially? It is 100% a combination of poor management and interference in management by the egomaniacal owner!
139 HAWK21M : I said partially because of other contributing factors such as Poor Aviation infrastructure in the country, long holding times in air,high ATF rates,
140 Vimanav : Let's say it was a case of "Vinash kale vipreet buddhi..." brgds//Vimanav
141 777way : LHE-DEL goes once weekly, KHI-DEL suspended, was once weekly
142 Post contains images HAWK21M : OR busy VJM.......NO accountability by mgr's
143 Post contains links Nimish : The latest buzz - 6E125 Damages Runway Lights, Vobl Shut For An Hour (by Nimish Sep 12 2013 in Civil Aviation)
144 tharanga : It's just ridiculous how few flights there are between these large neighbours. So much opportunity wasted. and i can easily imagine that it will stay
145 Post contains images Vimanav : Totally agree with the above statement except "shame"...
146 JOYA380B747 : OS 034 got cancelled for 14th Sept, my parents were supposed to go in it. Thank god they automatically re-booked them on LH, but I'm wondering, doesnt
147 BLRAviation : 6E was the launch customer for the IAE Select One program. Ahem ....... partially? I would say mostly. External factors aside which are common to all
148 Post contains links BLRAviation : http://www.business-standard.com/art...shwanath-quits-113091500176_1.html Sources are saying that Sudheer Raghavan, Chief Commercial Officer will be t
149 sankaps : Rumours are that Etihad discovered that even basic route profitability analysis and network contribution / cost allocation to routes was being done i
150 Nimish : Given that the decision making is all going to move to AUH in due course, why keep these expensive positions here in India? My guess is that's the re
151 sankaps : Indeed, and I think the findings from Etihad's due diligence may have hastened the process.
152 Post contains images lightsaber : How long was 9W's commercial strategy head at the helm? From the link in post #148, it looks like long enough to be responsible for too many mistakes.
153 DTW2HYD : India is not a tiny country without mercantile and company laws. If EY with 24% stake tries US style management techniques it will be in trouble. The
154 Post contains images sankaps : ??? What has the above remark got to do with anything???
155 DTW2HYD : One of the reasons DOJ decided to block the merger is because Doug Parker already moved in to AA corner office even before merger is approved. EY alr
156 sankaps : I don't think there is any evidence at all that the above was a factor in the decision. Nor is there evidence Doug was calling the shots at AA. Yes,
157 BLRAviation : Going to move?? Looks like it is already underway. For just $390 million, EY has taken over Jet. Even Anita Goyal who was heading "Network Planning"a
158 DTW2HYD : 9W/EY deal heading to Supreme Court. If SC takes the case they will ask to Central Bureau of Investigation to look into the deal. It will take 6-12 m
159 Post contains links lightsaber : Air India looking to not return to cash profits by 2018: http://www.livemint.com/Companies/Hi...turnaround-plan.html?ref=also_read Air India is slated
160 mk777 : Anyone know when the new ATC at DEL will be open for use? Will the old tower be demolished then just like at BOM?
161 Post contains links VTORD : According to this article by Tarun Shukla in the Mint MoCA has cleared Air Asia India. They can now apply for a license to DGCA. http://www.livemint.c
162 HAWK21M : Its very much possible for an operators to be profitable......with a little reduction in taxes which can be knocked off I guess on the meet at Sept En
163 Post contains links and images BLRAviation : What is going on? One and a half months ago, Nandan said otherwise, http://businesstoday.intoday.in/stor...s-hope-of-a-comeback/1/196871.html Three w
164 Post contains images comorin : Confusing but fairly consistent, I think? This article states that the airline is turning around, and AI aims to be cash flow positive by 2016/17 and
165 Post contains links BLRAviation : Thanks for the explanation, but I was focussed on the contradictory statements. From the Mint article From an Indian Express article just 4 days ago h
166 BLRAviation : Came across this link while searching for the Air India story. Very clever and impressive, I must admit.
167 lightsaber : But that was probably predicting a stronger Rupee. Hedging is short term. The further out AI is hedged, the more expensive it is. I doubt they have m
168 comorin : I'm looking at this in a simplistic way: Cash Flow FX (downside) risk: If AI's bulk of revenues is in USD, they can offset (match) USD expenses - lea
169 lightsaber : I believe AI's expenses are only partially hedged. As you noted, domestic flying consumes USD equivalent resources (leases/interest, parts, and fuel
170 Post contains links freqflyer : Indigo declares profit http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...993-crore/articleshow/22992866.cms It is not mentioned how much of this is also due to t
171 DTW2HYD : There are few caveats. Not all India's oil imports are USD based. India can pay Iran fully in Rupees and Russia accepts Rubble/Rupee. India has a san
172 freqflyer : Oil imports from Iran have dropped precipitously since the sanctions were expanded to cover even refineries processing Iranian crude after being firs
173 Post contains images sankaps : This graph suggests quite a free fall. That is less and less true these days.
174 DTW2HYD : I am not saying 100% oil imports are from Iran. India has payment options other than USD. Even USD went through correction in 2011. Free fall is like
175 sankaps : The term is an expression that means different things to different people. A 25% devaluation over a year is quite a free-fall for an airline whose bi
176 Post contains links and images lightsaber : So much more interesting to not talk about the well managed Indian airlines. If the leasing companies are rotating through aircraft, that means 6E ha
177 DTW2HYD : We can discuss about currency value management on separate thread. You keep quoting $88 Billion debt. What should a country with $16 Trillion debt do
178 Post contains images lightsaber : That is currency value and a different subject. And it is $88billion per year in deficit. The USA has a large debt, but a large GDP and prior willing
179 sankaps : Well stated. The US is the world's #1 FDI destination, while India is #35. The US attracted 27x more FDI than India in 2012. The difference will only
180 DTW2HYD : I can quote different statistics to prove my point, if that is not enough I can conduct my own independent survey with carefully worded questions to
181 Post contains images sankaps : You simply have NO idea of what you are talking about. And it's no point trying to explain to you. Now that would be a welcome change! [Edited 2013-0
182 Post contains links and images lightsaber : We are. The numbers that matter are the ratios. Thailand was the last nation I'm aware of who learned the hard way that currency management doesn't w
183 DTW2HYD : My comment was "Every US carrier through Chapter 11 skipped payments to lot of creditors". Just because they are paying aircraft lease payments they
184 sankaps : You may choose to disagree with Lightsaber, but he is right and you are wrong. Let's leave it at that. Cheers.[Edited 2013-09-24 17:26:00]
185 DTW2HYD : Let me debunk the theory of companies not leasing to Indian carriers because IT didn't pay lease payments. India has $39 Billion defense budget (2013
186 Post contains links and images lightsaber : We can drop the rupee and go back to pure aviation. But let's stick to proven economic theory. I never said wouldn't lease. I have in other threads n
187 sankaps : I am actually involved in aircraft leasing and financing, and am currently working on a deal in India. I can tell you without a doubt that lessors an
188 DIJKKIJK : Absolutely on the dot, every word. KF has not only ruined itself, it has cheated the Indian taxpayer (the loans from Indian Government Banks are stil
189 lightsaber : Thank you for your insight. I would like to know more about the Indian aircraft leasing market relative to the Western leasing markets if you may sha
190 DTW2HYD : Why unnecessary effort Your company can drop out of the bid. India will be very happy. Are you claiming even with $37 Million parking dues airport au
191 Post contains links sturmovik : 6E opts for 20 A321 : http://www.business-standard.com/art...-airbus-planes-113092500760_1.html
192 Post contains links and images sankaps : Thanks Lightsaber. My comment captures the salient points. Would not want to go into more details due to various sensitivities. Other than perhaps In
193 Post contains images lightsaber : What?!? DTW2HYD you wish Indian airlines to have an even harder time financing aircraft?!? Please explain your response. Business 101 is to not let e
194 goacom : Based on your own list, it seems that the majority of the aircraft are not in active use. One has to wonder about the state of the "stored" aircraft!
195 DTW2HYD : There are lot of other leasing companies through out the world. So I don't want his company to struggle with the moral dilemma. Even if no private ba
196 sankaps : Calm down and take a deep breath. Read the posts more carefully. I am representing the INDIAN entity, not the foreign lessors. And I am telling you w
197 DTW2HYD : Patriotism has nothing to do with my argument. Being Indian origin and being part of several US mergers, acquisitions and bankruptcies I can tell one
198 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Good point. That will add to the risk premium... Even with those guarantees it was tough for AI to arrange financing. Not who will do business with I
199 sankaps : This anti-US rant for someone who has worked in corporate America for 20 years (as per your own boast) strikes me as being extremely hypocritical. Es
200 sankaps : You are exactly right, Lightsaber. It is unbelievable just how much the combination of IT's misdeeds and the DGCA's mind-boggling stance in violation
201 DTW2HYD : Excepted the cheap jab. It if far from true. Imagine if India and other countries have laws similar to US Chapter 11. IT will be still in business, c
202 sankaps : You have no clue of how Chap 11 works. IT would be properly out of business, and VJM behind bars. You also have no idea of when someone is making a j
203 DTW2HYD : Really, enlighten us. Hint, it is a joke from my perspective. With your shallow knowledge of all things and pessimistic view, I wonder how would you
204 goacom : This is total nonsense. Chapter 11 requires serious and difficult changes and it is not pursued unless those changes can be implemented. Kingfisher m
205 sankaps : By being realistic about the situation, that's how. I actually think your posts do serve a very useful purpose... they are very representative of how
206 lightsaber : Please re-read. Being flippant doesn't change reality. You do realize that those wishing to finance aircraft in this current economic market are havi
207 DTW2HYD : Please read more about Chapter 11. What difficult changes AA pursued. It had close to $30 Billion debt when it went into bankruptcy. Once in C11 AA r
208 Post contains links lightsaber : Hattip to BLRaviation for a link on Indian leasing and rule changes: ' The Civil Aviation Ministry also decided to amend Aircraft Act and Rules to saf
209 Post contains images BLRAviation : Its a start. Please appreciate that KN Shrivastav is Secretary, MoCA i.e. an IAS officer, and not a politician. Bureaucrats draft the laws, but ultim
210 sturmovik : Why has the Tata-SQ JV not received much mention (or discussion) around these parts?
211 lightsaber : That we agree on. But until something better is ratified, financing aircraft in India will be tougher than it should be. Lightsaber
212 BLRAviation : Yes. Unfortunately, its a pity. Till some plans are announced, it is pure speculation.
213 sturmovik : I thought both sides formally announced their intentions, I recall reading a statement from the Singapore Tourism Board as well. What, in your opinio
214 sankaps : I don't see any political or regulatory issues with this being cleared. The only issue that may complicate things is the conflict on interest angle f
215 Post contains links AirIndia : I found it weird to see this article appearing on the TOI website. Didnt understand the relevance and also the randomness. http://timesofindia.indiati
216 Post contains links AirIndia : I found it weird to see this article appearing on the TOI website. Didnt understand the relevance and also the randomness. http://timesofindia.indiati
217 sankaps : Completely bogus article. Not even basic fact checking or knowledge of the industry or what drives aircraft allocations, though it is true in general
218 Post contains images Gr8circle : Because most of the a.nutters are too busy AI or India bashing
219 Post contains images sankaps : Don't think any bashing is required - the damage is self inflicted.
220 goacom : Can you provide us with proof of this? By definition, there is a hierarchy of what kind of debt is secured and what is not. C11 is a good way of tryin
221 Post contains images sankaps : As a matter of fact AMR's creditors (bondholders) essentially ended up owning the airline, and then agreeing to do a deal with US that essentially re
222 Post contains images 747megatop : Calling a spade "a spade" is not bashing IMO. You don't very often see SQ bashing, right? It is not that a.netters have a passion or love for AI bash
223 Post contains links DTW2HYD : Municipal bonds are secured. Most corporate bonds are not. Even if, they are secured with assets owned by the corporation, like buildings or planes.
224 LJ : Why does the article mentions Brussels? The only airline flying between Brussels and India is 9W
225 Post contains images BLRAviation : Utter nonsense in the name of journalism. Very poor fact checking.
226 Post contains links 747megatop : Here is another example of that - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...-to-India/articleshow/23426926.cms If what the article says is true then LH
227 DTW2HYD : Of all European/US carriers flying to India you found one/two new planes. QR B788s could be just proving flights. I traveled to India on DL, LH, KL,
228 sankaps : I agree -- The reason for these carriers is if they have a mix of old and new products that can serve interchangeable missions, they want to but the
229 Post contains links BLRAviation : Fully agree. http://vishal1mehra.com/2013/06/04/t...varying-consistencies-of-emirates/ this is a good review of EK on a Europe DXB sector and DXB DEL
230 sankaps : BLR, someone as smart as you SHOULD know that shorter haul legs like from the middle-east and SE Asia to India will typically not get the premium lon
231 LJ : ???? KL sends their shiny new A332s and A333s to Africa, its new 77Ws to Argentina, Brazil, Ecuador, Peru and Panama (and not to developed countries,
232 sankaps : Some Indians tend to be very sensitive about these kinds of things, imagining insult when there is none. However I would say it is true that if an ai
233 Post contains links and images BLRAviation : An interview with former AI Executive Director Jitender Bhargav. Doesn't disclose too much, but something is better than nothing. http://www.livemint.
234 sankaps : Good interview, speaks a lot of sense. Thanks for posting.
235 VTORD : This is the ToI so I would take it with a grain of salt. Last time I flew LH to BOM, I was supremely disappointed with the 744 from FRA to BOM - no I
236 HAWK21M : Any update on progress on:- 1.AIR COSTA 2.AIR ASIA INDIA 3.TATA-SIA JV
237 aarbee : Agreed it is weird. Hmm! I would think EK has the same entertainment on A330, B777, A380 Seems author has no idea on what a typical B748 is configure
238 Post contains links sturmovik : http://bit.ly/GLAtFQ Read this in the Hindu today, apparently start of operations is imminent.
239 Cricket : With Andhra Pradesh in the state it is in right now? Vijaywada and Tirupati Airports are running on back-up power last I heard and while things will
240 Post contains links BLRAviation : Operations to commence on October 14. Looks like the story in Bangalore Aviation is correct. EY is indeed buying 5 B77Ls from AI http://economictimes
241 Post contains images lightsaber : There is an American expression 'to eat crow' which means you said something that is wrong. It is my turn to 'eat crow' as I posted in 2 or 3 threads
242 DTW2HYD : Well don't open the Champaign bottle yet. EY just signed LoI. If EY/9W and UAE bilateral deal gets tangled in a protracted legal battle, EY may back
243 karan69 : True that, Jet being an Indian Based carrier does not face some of the restrictions Foreign carriers face especially while operating from Military ba
244 DIJKKIJK : One aircraft (VT-ALH) is 'stored'. I believe it suffered some damage and wasn't repaired. I think the remaining two will be used on the BOM-EWR route
245 sturmovik : Never heard of that. Do you have a source for this? Just curious..
246 Post contains images 747megatop : If you are referring to a non stop then I highly doubt that will happen. I think we will see an attempt at BLR-SFO non stop by UA maybe before LAX to
247 Post contains images BLRAviation : We are here on a common platform to share our views. Most of it, if not all, is determined by a high knowledge level or due to a passion which drives
248 DIJKKIJK : It was mentioned here https://twitter.com/CharlesRyanTeo/status/338851630336339968 and according to Plane spotters, ALH is now stored in BOM.[Edited
249 karan69 : [quote=BLRAviation,reply=247][Compared to EK's 8/42/216 it leads me to believe that EY will go with a more comfortable 9 abreast seating./quote] Deves
250 BLRAviation : Yes Karan you are correct. I got thrown off by the 2 class 77W EY operates. Thanks for setting me straight.
251 HAWK21M : Heard Air Costa has commenced ops wef 10/10/2013.....can anyone confirm.....
252 sankaps : Serving low yield routes with high CASM RJs with little to no marketing and a pilot as their CEO. I give it 6 months, 9 months max.
253 HAWK21M : TRUE ....does not seem a big player, but unless they goofup on Quality control.....should cover 2-3yrs......then it will depend on mgmt.
254 ojas : I suppose we can go with Thread #105. Let's start it there.
255 Post contains links iowaman : Available here: Indian Aviation Thread Part 105 (by ojas Oct 13 2013 in Civil Aviation) This thread will be archived.
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