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Indian Aviation Thread Part 104  
User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22419 times:

Part 103 got archived and cannot be continued, and since no one started a new thread, I am taking the liberty. Click here to read Part 103.

Looks like Jet is starting the closing of its BRU scissor hub. As per a ch-aviation report

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Jet Airways (9W, Mumbai Int'l) has filed for slots with Amsterdam Airport authorities to operate a daily A330-300 Delhi Int'l - Amsterdam - Toronto Pearson frequency, along with a daily A330-300 Mumbai Int'l - Amsterdam direct flight with effect from Winter 2013. In effect, this signifies the end of Jet's Brussels National scissors hub as well as the possible suspension of the destination itself as a whole. Jet's Newark service is expected to be re-routed as Mumbai Int'l - Abu Dhabi Int'l - Newark using a B777-300(ER) codeshared with new equity partner, Etihad Airways (EY, Abu Dhabi Int'l).



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 22414 times:

Air India to commence DEL-SYD-MEL triangular service from end August.

From AirlineRoute

Quote:
After 16 years of service suspension, Air India from 29AUG13 returns to Australia market with Boeing 787 aircraft. Subject to Government Approval, the airline plans to operate 3 weekly Delhi – Melbourne – Sydney – Delhi and 4 weekly in opposite direction, starting 29AUG13. Reservation for Australia service opened on late-Friday 28JUN13 in the GDS (the airline has not yet open reservation on its own website).

Delhi – Sydney – Melbourne – Delhi eff 29AUG13 4 weekly
AI312 DEL1345 – 0630+1SYD0800+1 – 0935+1MEL 788 x357
AI311 SYD0800 – 0935MEL1050 – 1835DEL 788 x146

Delhi – Melbourne – Sydney – Delhi eff 30AUG13 3 weekly
AI312 DEL1300 – 0530+1MEL0700+1 – 0830+1SYD 788 357
AI311 MEL0700 – 0830SYD1000 – 1810DEL 788 146

Air India last operated service to Sydney in January 1991 with 1 weekly Delhi – Singapore – Sydney on board Boeing 747; Melbourne last served in April 1981. Perth was served until June 1997.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3271 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22182 times:

Thanks Devesh for restarting this thread.

Jetihad is in major trouble on the regulatory front - essentially 9W seems to be passing on full control though they've sold only 24% stake.

Quoting the papers today:

Quote:
Under the proposed transaction, Jet would sell its 24 per cent to Etihad Airways. Concerns have been primarily raised on the proposed ownership and control structure of the domestic airlines.

The PMO has asked for a review of the deal and it's likely to go under intense scrutiny (read - no official will let it go through as they'd then be suspected of colluding with the moneybags at Jetihad).



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 22069 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 2):
Jetihad is in major trouble on the regulatory front - essentially 9W seems to be passing on full control though they've sold only 24% stake.

Two video reports from TimesNow TV.

The first report shows the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) trying to distance itself from the Jetihad deal despite a minutes of meeting (MOM) of an Inter-Ministerial Group of India's Finance, Foreign, Commerce and Civil Aviation ministers being called at the specific request of the Prime Minister. Quite obviously the PMO is running scared to protect against any blowback like the 2G scandal. http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4431100.cms

The second report today shows the Civil Aviation Minister Ajit Singh strongly backing the deal. http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4431134.cms

Quite obviously, Ajit Singh needs to have his position strong. If his pushed deal gets cancelled, he is shown to be weak. Also we must keep in mind, he needs to build his election war chest and of his party.



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User currently offlineflybhx764 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 267 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 22013 times:

Certain countries to the UK will have to pay a £3000 security bond deposit to travel to the UK for a 6 month visa. If you overstay or don't come back you will not get it back. The countries include India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nigeria and a few other African countries.

This is going to affect Airlines. Airlines like Air India who have are starting BHX 4 times a week and we looking into a northern airport like Glasgow or Edinburgh for a 3 times a week service to Delhi have said it will affect business which means they will have to cut capacity to the UK as this fee is per person and not per family. They are looking to charge £5000 for a 2 year visa deposit. This is a good idea for the government to stop the over stay situation but will affect Air travel to the specific countires.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/fo...00-pounds-cash-bond-deposit-383041

http://articles.economictimes.indiat...1857_1_visa-rules-british-visas-uk


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21931 times:

Quoting flybhx764 (Reply 4):
This is a good idea for the government to stop the over stay situation but will affect Air travel to the specific countires.

This is going to hurt the genuine tourists and visitors the most. Those who go on holidays or for VFR will not do so. This wil impact a bit on tourism figures as a lot if Indians do vacation in UK.

On the other hand, for those who intend to overstay and abscond and become illegals, £3000 will not be a detterent. Infact it will be a small price as compared to the tens of thousands they pay to trickster agents now by selling their lands/houses.

I think the process should be on case by case basis. The visa issuing authorities should levy a deposit after interviewing candidates for visas. Or allow travellers to authorise this deposit on credit cards or as a bank guarantee. This will free up cash for the intended travel....


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21718 times:

Appears that the India Abu Dhabi bilateral air services agreement is a quid-pro-quo for overall UAE investment in India. http://www.livemint.com/Politics/hT4...-concerns-on-Indian-investmen.html


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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3271 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 21642 times:

From: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...-in-india/articleshow/20902050.cms

Quote:
AirAsia boss Tony Fernandes targets Naresh Goyal, Subramanian Swamy and unfair aviation rules in India

India's aviation sector and its business environment got a rude reality check on July 3, this time from AirAsia boss Tony Fernandes, the latest suitor for a piece of the country's skies.

Fernandes, whose Malaysian group plans to launch an airline in India later this year, launched a blistering attack on restrictive Indian aviation rules and blamed Jet Airways boss Naresh Goyal for some of them, in a rare display of candour that covered everyone from partners to rivals to authorities.

Referring to a rule that prevents local airlines from flying abroad until they complete five years of operations and own 20 aircraft, Fernandes said: "That's probably put in by Naresh (Goyal) or someone else to protect themselves."

When his comments, made at a packed news conference in Delhi to discuss his low-cost airline's proposed launch in October, drew guffaws, he rubbed it in: "You are laughing, so I am right."

In this context, I saw this interesting article on Bangalore aviation today:

From: http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...-interests-shaping-government.html

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Fernandes' outburst is understandably, also vested. After all, he is responsible to the shareholders of his business for delivering results. One way for his new venture AirAsia India to quickly grow, would be to operate internationally. Today AirAsia cannot carry passengers all the way from south east Asia to the middle-east on its narrow body A320s, since the distance it too great. At the same time. some of the routes would not have enough traffic to fill the wide-body A330s of AirAsia X. But if AirAsia India flies overseas, it can be fed by its sisters AirAsia, and Thai AirAsia who would bring passengers to the Indian hubs and transfer them on their Indian sister along with Indian passengers for the onward journey to the middle-east. Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Or is Tony Fernandes genuinely interested in universal change to fair play rules?

Personally my take is that Tony's complaining less about the 5 year rule, but more about the mess that the Indian aviation industry is. Airports are too expensive. Fuel is priced sky high. He's actually thinking of avoiding the biggest two markets completely due to the sky high charges. I don't think he needs a large fleet of 320s just to serve BLR, MAA and COK (with perhaps some airports in AP thrown in). And the whole thought of a "low cost airport" is a complete misnomer with the govt. happy to sit back and soak up 46% of the revenues of an airport without lifting their fingers. Where does this leave aviation in India? How can Tony replicate his Malaysian successes here? Can Tony replicate his Malaysian successes here?



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21582 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
This is going to hurt the genuine tourists and visitors the most. Those who go on holidays or for VFR will not do so. This wil impact a bit on tourism figures as a lot if Indians do vacation in UK.

So true. But then, the British authorities are seemingly banking on the fact that many Indians already live in the UK and therefore their relatives will come to the UK for holidays naturally.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
On the other hand, for those who intend to overstay and abscond and become illegals, £3000 will not be a detterent. Infact it will be a small price as compared to the tens of thousands they pay to trickster agents now by selling their lands/houses.

Now I understand where India was taught how to make ineffective and ill-thought legislation
     



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 21529 times:

Tony's going to find it tough in the current Indian scenario.....I heard major mx is going to be carried out by Airworks India.


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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3271 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 21290 times:

In context of the horrific OZ 772 crash at SFO - I noticed there were 3 Indian pax on that plane. Anyone know if they were connecting from DEL/BOM? Or SFO based traffic to/from ICN?


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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 21252 times:

What is the current status of IPG? Is it recognized by AI. It appears even ICPA was de-recognized and recognized by AI in the past. Couldn't find any info on current status.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13440 posts, RR: 100
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 21212 times:
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Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 6):
Appears that the India Abu Dhabi bilateral air services agreement is a quid-pro-quo for overall UAE investment in India. http://www.livemint.com/Politics/hT4...-concerns-on-Indian-investmen.html

I'm not surprised. Who wants to invest unless more trade will happen? That is normal. Actually, what is normal is more open bilaterals that naturally enable trade and investment.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 20987 times:

Reading Tony Fernandes' interviews and all the noises he's making about AirAsia India, am I the only one who feels he's either stating the obvious or talking a fair bit of rubbish?

For instance, we do not need him to come and tell us that the 5 year, 20 aircraft rule for international routes is stupid, we do not need him to remind us that Naresh Goyal is indeed super-croc and his appointment of senior executives for AirAsia India have been anything but awe inspiring. Claims that he'd crack break even at sub 60% SLF flying A320s on non-metro routes also appears overly optimistic to say the least.

So why would a canny airline CEO like Tony - who's been there, done it, antagonize the Government, the competition and paint a big bulls-eye on his backside unless he wants to kiss it Tata !!!!

Am I missing something?

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 20956 times:

Cebu Pacific allowed to serve India http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...cific-gets-clearance-to-india.html

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 20768 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 13):
Claims that he'd crack break even at sub 60% SLF flying A320s on non-metro routes also appears overly optimistic to say the least.

Wonder how these statements by tony will convince those that do not want to be convinced



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User currently offlineVTORD From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 20691 times:

I think Tony is cannily generating a lot of buzz for his airline. He's already got the government to bend the FDI policy on start up airlines and at least one website is reporting that the GoI is re-considering the 5yr/20 ac rule......I think Ratan Tata has a lot of pull in New Delhi so Tony might not really be antagonizing the government. And there is no such thing as bad publicity.

As far as his explanation for choice of CEO - that was a bit baffling, since he has not worked in India or aviation and I believe I remember reading Tony's comments that "he is Indian so he is a perfect choice".



Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as you like.
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20555 times:

Ukraine international consider launching DEL service with their first 767-300.

[Edited 2013-07-12 09:10:17]

User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 558 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20540 times:

The first E190 for Air Costa has been delivered,

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-C...d=d6d9f693f89772a8144b9c9c1fdcaa29

Must I say that's the first trendy paint on any Indian airline, way to go.   



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20533 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 18):

is it? I think spice, indigo, paramount, indian, deccan 360, AI express, go air all met that standard looks wise, and this is inspired by Argentinas basic livery.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 558 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20525 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 19):
I think spice, indigo, paramount, indian, deccan 360, AI express, go air all met that standard looks wise, and this is inspired by Argentinas basic livery.

Most Indian airlines have the boring Euro-ish white fuselage, while on a totally personal analogy, the Air Costa livery gets a dash of paint across. Just my      



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20331 times:

Will this proposal ever see light of day? If yes, is ir justified?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ice-bands/articleshow/21062206.cms

Quote:
Declaring "shock and awe" low fares alone will not suffice for airlines. They may soon have to disclose how many seats were actually sold at various price levels, including the jaw-dropping low ones.

The aviation ministry is set to form an economic cell that will collect this information from airlines and make it public. "If an airline says it is going to sell tickets for Rs 2,000 or Rs 3,000, people should also know many tickets did it actually sell for that money. The new cell is going to be activated in two weeks and will get all this data from airlines. We will make public how many seats were sold at various price levels," aviation minister Ajit Singh told TOI.



User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20331 times:

any news on any new routes to and from India?

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20307 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 13):
For instance, we do not need him to come and tell us that the 5 year, 20 aircraft rule for international routes is stupid, we do not need him to remind us that Naresh Goyal is indeed super-croc and his appointment of senior executives for AirAsia India have been anything but awe inspiring. Claims that he'd crack break even at sub 60% SLF flying A320s on non-metro routes also appears overly optimistic to say the least.

So why would a canny airline CEO like Tony - who's been there, done it, antagonize the Government, the competition and paint a big bulls-eye on his backside unless he wants to kiss it Tata !!!!

Agreed.

His fat claims on television to start a PNQ - KUL on A333 and all that bullshit only proceeded with the fact that they flopped miserably at BOM, DEL.

Regarding Air Asia India, either he is too naive or he is overconfident. Let him start and then he will shit bricks when he knows what it is to operate in a pathetically policy crippled skies like India.



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20294 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 21):
Will this proposal ever see light of day? If yes, is ir justified?

It may be justified if airlines only have to disclose how many they sold on the lowest advertised fare. It can't be jsutified if they have to do it for all fare classes (and thus basically release the yield per city pair on any given flight.


User currently offlineGr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20426 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 22):
any news on any new routes to and from India?

Hoping for an AI 787 to YYZ non-stop from India.....it would be from DEL obviously, but hoping AI can provide convenient connections to BOM and other cities.....


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20324 times:

Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 25):

Hoping for an AI 787 to YYZ non-stop from India.....it would be from DEL obviously, but hoping AI can provide convenient connections to BOM and other cities.....

ah okay, yeah that would be nice actually. I hope TK expands in India....would love to have them as an option to where i need to be in India (BLR).


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20534 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 22):

Malindo and Malaysia Airlines launching new destinations there, Air Asia also interested in one.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20239 times:

http://businesstoday.intoday.in/stor...market-share-profits/1/196926.html

Quote:
Air India cannot focus on market share at cost of profitability, says Nandan

And just a few days back there were news reports, AI was cutting fares to face competition.

http://www.business-standard.com/art...rom-jet-etihad-113062500039_1.html

[Edited 2013-07-16 10:31:08]


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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20257 times:

Interesting story about how the politically savvy Naresh Goyal is getting check-mated by his rivals http://businesstoday.intoday.in/stor...ys-at-the-lobby-game/1/196680.html


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User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20262 times:

1) DEL - PEK

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...7/history/20130713/1250Z/ZBAA/VIDP

why is the flight path following a dog's leg detour?

a) Is this detour in fact due to the himalayas?
b) How much additional flying time is incurred due to the detour?


2) BLR - HKG

There is another flight path BLR - HKG which seems to do a dogs leg, seemingly trying to take a detour; i can't figure out why though.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/H...2/history/20130715/1440Z/VHHH/VOBL

If you notice all previous flights, all of them follow this weird flight path. So, it's not that the flight on a particular day is routed like that due to prevailing winds...at least it does not seem that way. So, why the detour, any thoughts?

[Edited 2013-07-16 10:43:15]

User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20108 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 30):
a) Is this detour in fact due to the himalayas?

Wasnt there a rule about only quads allowed to fly over Himalayas. All twins were required to do the dog leg. This is due to engine out situation, when a twin would have to lower altitude that will bring them in close vicinity of terrain given the 7000mts+ peaks....

Twins Over The Himalayas? (by Timz Jan 24 2005 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-07-16 21:04:22]

User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 20043 times:

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...sis-emboldened-by-etihad-deal.html

"Late last week, The Times of India reported Turkish Airlines, one of the world’s fastest growing airlines in the world, wanted to more than quintuple its Indian footprint, requesting an increase in weekly seat allocation from 4,000 to 20,000 seats per week, and gain access to Bangalore, Kolkata, Chennai, Hyderabad, Amritsar, and Ahmedabad."


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20020 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 32):
"Late last week, The Times of India reported Turkish Airlines, one of the world’s fastest growing airlines in the world, wanted to more than quintuple its Indian footprint, requesting an increase in weekly seat allocation from 4,000 to 20,000 seats per week, and gain access to Bangalore, Kolkata, Chennai, Hyderabad, Amritsar, and Ahmedabad."

Wow, talk about a huge expansion.

TK certainly are certainly being very agressive. Seems they have taken a page out of the EK playbook  


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20000 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 33):

Wow, talk about a huge expansion.

TK certainly are certainly being very agressive. Seems they have taken a page out of the EK playbook  

I welcome it, the more competition the better. Prices have gotten out of control lately and EK is one of the main culprits with regards to routes to India from the West Coast of the USA. I dont know if prices will go down when the A380 shows up at LAX in December, i would hope so though. No Etihad or Qatar to the West Coast as of yet either. I think TK can make a play here and undercut EK and the other Gulf Carriers at their own game. I hear great things about TK, would love to try them out to India.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 19961 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 34):
I think TK can make a play here and undercut EK and the other Gulf Carriers at their own game

Is TK's cost base that low? Can they realistically undercut any MEB3 at all?


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19760 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 30):
2) BLR - HKG
There is another flight path BLR - HKG which seems to do a dogs leg, seemingly trying to take a detour; i can't figure out why though.

For the BLR-HKG segment the routing is correct. There are multiple air corridors traversing the Bay of Bengal over India in a South East to North West direction. To the best of my knowledge there is none air corridor traversing east-west. So the fix is Chennai and then a direct routing to the Andaman islands, from there towards southern Burma. That's the dog leg you are seeing.

From DEL-PEK it could be the Himalayas coupled with security concerns which prevents use of the Tibet or Ladakh regions. But that is a guess.  



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 19730 times:

Spicejet getting rid of Expat pilots as rising $ hits the bottom line....

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...ly-dollar/articleshow/21134272.cms

Quote:
Low cost carrier SpiceJet has brought down its number of expat pilots, all of whom are commanders, from over 100 a year ago to just 25 now. With an expat commander getting almost three times more than the average Indian commander's monthly pay of Rs 5 lakh, the airline is looking at saving Rs 90 crore per annum.
Quote:
Apart from lowering cost by phasing out expats, SpiceJet is also planning to start direct import of aviation turbine fuel (ATF) or jet fuel from next month.

What are the advantages of importing fuel directly? WHat taxes does an airline save and is there significant saving?


User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 19538 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 36):
So the fix is Chennai and then a direct routing to the Andaman islands, from there towards southern Burma. That's the dog leg you are seeing.

Thanks for englightening me on that. That definitely explains it ; I knew that there was some good reason but did not know till now.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13440 posts, RR: 100
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19517 times:
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Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 34):
Prices have gotten out of control lately and EK is one of the main culprits with regards to routes to India from the West Coast of the USA.

I looked at fares 3 months out and they were back to normal ($1,535 LAX-AMD-LAX). There were outrageous a few months ago, but that seemed to be temporary insanity (breaking $6k for Y... I couldn't believe what the fare search engines were telling me! I know a wedding was delayed over those fares). Now, I imagine if one is looking to fly during EK's runway resurfacing, fares will be crazy. But with today's high oil prices, $1,535 USD is a bargain. The lowest I've ever seen were just over $1,200 dollars when *everyone* was selling at a loss and at lower oil prices.

Heck, fares three weeks out are under $2k with $1,700 fares available for 2-stop connections.

If fares ever remained high, competition would fill the void quickly. Heck, the 9W, EY investment would have gone through. Now it looks like the July 31st deadline will pass and EY will reduce their offer price. Cest la vie. Time=Money and the more a deal is delayed, the less it is worth.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 32):
"Late last week, The Times of India reported Turkish Airlines, one of the world’s fastest growing airlines in the world, wanted to more than quintuple its Indian footprint, requesting an increase in weekly seat allocation from 4,000 to 20,000 seats per week, and gain access to Bangalore, Kolkata, Chennai, Hyderabad, Amritsar, and Ahmedabad."

TK would have no trouble filling the seats. The Mid East carriers aren't invincible. EK is the most numbers run, so that makes them seem tough to compete with. But TK has had a rapidly growing economy to work with. (I do not claim to know the status post the disturbances.)

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 35):
Is TK's cost base that low? Can they realistically undercut any MEB3 at all?

TK is based in a phenomenal location for minimizing costs for hubbing to Europe. All they need is the rights to India.

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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19466 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 34):
Prices have gotten out of control lately and EK is one of the main culprits with regards to routes to India from the West Coast of the USA.

SQ is having special fares from India to LAX/SFO right now. http://www.singaporeair.com/jsp/cms/en_UK/promotions/in-promos.jsp but for two passengers.



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19437 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 39):
I looked at fares 3 months out and they were back to normal ($1,535 LAX-AMD-LAX). There were outrageous a few months ago, but that seemed to be temporary insanity (breaking $6k for Y... I couldn't believe what the fare search engines were telling me! I know a wedding was delayed over those fares). Now, I imagine if one is looking to fly during EK's runway resurfacing, fares will be crazy. But with today's high oil prices, $1,535 USD is a bargain. The lowest I've ever seen were just over $1,200 dollars when *everyone* was selling at a loss and at lower oil prices.

yeah 1535 seems alright. Yes they were pretty high a few months back, even just before the start of summer. But EK has been consistently high for a while now. The last two times i have travelled, i have used Cathay and Thai. Do you think with the A380 coming to LAX, EK fares will go down somewhat?


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19362 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 40):
SQ is having special fares from India to LAX/SFO right now.

I guess it is OZ214 focused marketing.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 19260 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 39):
TK would have no trouble filling the seats. The Mid East carriers aren't invincible. EK is the most numbers run, so that makes them seem tough to compete with. But TK has had a rapidly growing economy to work with. (I do not claim to know the status post the disturbances.)
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 39):
TK is based in a phenomenal location for minimizing costs for hubbing to Europe. All they need is the rights to India.

Your above statements does not apply to India.

Even if TK will be given rights, no way in hell can they make AMD, ATQ and CCU work. BLR, HYD, MAA; they will be fighting with European carriers. The reason? simply that the O-D from BLR, HYD and MAA to DXB, DOH and AUH is much higher than IST than any given day. Secondly, BLR/HYD/MAA - IST will be very long flights and will struggle on their narrow bodies to reach there and that a wide body will be too much capacity for TK to fill no matter how much they undercut the ME carriers.

In short, TK's expansion into India, won't affect the MEB3 that much for any of them to worry.



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User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 19210 times:

Can any one help me understand why NRT/ICN is not connected non stop with South Indian destinations like MAA/BLR/HYD?

Is it lack of O/D traffic combined with the fact that there are not that many destinations beyond NRT/ICN that passengers can connect to?

If you take European cities for example; passengers from MAA/BLR/HYD can either terminate in LHR (large indian presence in and around LHR) OR from LHR/FRA/CDG passengers can connect on to North America (USA & Canada); South America or other European destinations. But, from ICN/NRT connecting passengers can connect only to NA(USA & Canada) without any significant O&D traffic being there between BLR/MAA/HYD and NRT/ICN.

Thoughts?


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 19113 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 44):
Can any one help me understand why NRT/ICN is not connected non stop with South Indian destinations like MAA/BLR/HYD?

more than NRT, why isnt ICN connected to at least MAA. Samsung and Hyundai have their factories in and around Chennai, i dont know why Korean Air doesnt at least fly to MAA.


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Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 19095 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 44):
Is it lack of O/D traffic combined with the fact that there are not that many destinations beyond NRT/ICN that passengers can connect to?

You just got your answer here.



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User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 19044 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 46):
You just got your answer here.

Will the 787 change that? Any possibility of that happening?


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Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 19039 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 47):
Will the 787 change that? Any possibility of that happening?

Not in the near future.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19036 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 44):
Can any one help me understand why NRT/ICN is not connected non stop with South Indian destinations like MAA/BLR/HYD?

I interviewed the JAL Chairman on this topic. Sorry but A.net rules prohibit me from posting a link. Please visit Bangalore Aviation and search for Masaru Onishi. Alternately, any a.net member can post the link

Quoting some relevant portions of the interview

Quote:
Onishi went on to say, with the growing investment of Japanese companies in India, particularly in the Delhi and Bangalore geographies, India is definitely on the radar screen of the airline, but the lack of high enough demand for India Japan O and D (origin and destination) traffic is making it difficult for airline to firm-up its plans for expanding services to India.

A similar situation exists on the ICN-MAA segment.

And yes, I did ask about the Trans-Pac Indo-US traffic.

Quote:
We we asked about JAL tapping in to the large India to US West Coast market, Onishi explained that JAL already had very high passenger load factors on its trans-Pacific flights, that too from high yield markets like Japan, which makes the airline uncompetitive in low yield markets like India.

I found Onishi very frank and open. Very unusual for a Japanese business leader. And, he knew what he was talking about, and go to the point immediately without sugar coating.



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Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 18918 times:
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Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 41):
Do you think with the A380 coming to LAX, EK fares will go down somewhat?

Only a little. While the CASM will drop, I suspect EK will take the profits for themselves. Prices will all be supply and demand based and demand is growing (at least in my opinion).

Quoting ojas (Reply 43):
The reason? simply that the O-D from BLR, HYD and MAA to DXB, DOH and AUH is much higher than IST than any given day.

Good to hear about the O&D. But it would likely be low RASM. I see many opportunites in India for TK.

Quoting ojas (Reply 43):
In short, TK's expansion into India, won't affect the MEB3 that much for any of them to worry.

I never implied the ME3 should worry. The seat count total is too low for that. I hope these seats are awarded *and* the EY/9W seats. More choices are always a good thing.

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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18890 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 49):

I found Onishi very frank and open. Very unusual for a Japanese business leader. And, he knew what he was talking about, and go to the point immediately without sugar coating.

i dont remember if you saw, but there was an article back in Feb in TOI about ANA launching flights to MAA and BLR..they said they would fly 3 or 4 weekly. After that, nothing happened...whatever came of that?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18736 times:

PIA are using A310 now on both DEL flights from Lahore, as last operational 737 is doing domestic and Abu Dhabi, BOM down to just one weekly service, an all time low.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3271 posts, RR: 9
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18638 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 43):
BLR, HYD, MAA; they will be fighting with European carriers. The reason? simply that the O-D from BLR, HYD and MAA to DXB, DOH and AUH is much higher than IST than any given day. Secondly, BLR/HYD/MAA - IST will be very long flights and will struggle on their narrow bodies to reach there and that a wide body will be too much capacity for TK to fill no matter how much they undercut the ME carriers.

Sounds like routes like IST-BLR/ HYD/ MAA are ideal for the 788  .



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3271 posts, RR: 9
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18575 times:

From: http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...y-services-at-indian-airports.html

Quote:
Emergency services at Indian airports capable of handling Asiana San Francisco type crash

Very interesting and well researched article. And good to see that Indian airports are capable of quickly and efficiently dealing with any unfortunate incidents/ accidents.



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User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 18486 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 53):

Even a 788 may be too much capacity for BLR, HYD and MAA to IST. Perhaps a 320 ER or 738/9 ER is adequate, about 4 times a week. Among the three HYD has only one European carrier, BA, so they may make a run for the HYD route first and plus there are no Star Alliance carriers (Westbound) from HYD.


User currently offlineIl62Mdakar From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 18472 times:

What’s the current status of Air Costa?

I have seen the images of the EMB 190 being delivered through Las Palmas About 10 days ago and two EMB 170 have left BOH a while ago.

Where are these jets now? Did they reach India or are they parked somewhere else?

The latest news that I can find said in June that they will start operations in July.

The website still seems to be a dummy with now functionality beyond the starting page. It’s not possible to book any flights.

So all doesn’t look too promising at the moment.

I probably will visit Vijayawada in October and would love to try Air Costa if they are flying by then or still flying. Well let’s hope for the best. Still some time till October.

Would be a new Indian airline for me and as I will already cover Air India, Jet Airways and Jet Connect on the same trip.

Alternatively Spicejet Dash 8-400 would be a new type – airline combination at least.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 18312 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 51):
i dont remember if you saw, but there was an article back in Feb in TOI about ANA launching flights to MAA and BLR..they said they would fly 3 or 4 weekly. After that, nothing happened...whatever came of that?

I can only assume that ANA came to the same decision as JAL.

Toyota's maximum traffic is to Bangkok since the company is highly leveraging the Indo-Thai FTA to import many of its components.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 18298 times:

One has to ponder why the banks are treating Mallya with kid gloves. Political pull aside, what are some of the reasons you would like to attribute for the why?

http://www.business-standard.com/art...ess-ubl-shares-113071800900_1.html



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 18254 times:

Too bad 74% FDI in Aviation is not being considered at the moment.


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Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 18189 times:

Not too sure if this has been posted before. Singapore Airlines are launching their 3rd daily departure flight from New Delhi to Singapore effective from Winter time table

SIA To Fly Three Times Per Day To New Delhi
23 July 2013 - Singapore Airlines will boost India services from the Northern Winter operating season (27 October 2013 – 29 March 2014), with a third daily flight to the capital New Delhi.

http://www.singaporeair.com/jsp/cms/...release_news/ne130723.jsp#_ftnref1


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Reply 61, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 18178 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 57):
Toyota's maximum traffic is to Bangkok since the company is highly leveraging the Indo-Thai FTA to import many of its components.

Bit off topic Actually Both Honda and Toyota seem to be taking advantage of the FTA. Infact till couple of months ago CRV was being imported as a CBU from Thailand with zero inventory at their Surajpur Plant. But with Japanese SEZ coming up in Neemrana (Rajasthan) along with Honda offcourse has been fueling demand for Air travel to Japan esp from Delhi.

Besides their is an un written directive when employed in Japanese co that incase travelling to Japan they need to travel by Japanese carrier only.


User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18086 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 49):
I interviewed the JAL Chairman on this topic. Sorry but A.net rules prohibit me from posting a link. Please visit Bangalore Aviation and search for Masaru Onishi. Alternately, any a.net member can post the link

I know which article you are talking about as i read bangaloreaviation.com regularly. This is the article -

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...airlines-wants-to-start-tokyo.html


User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18137 times:

Quoting VIDP (Reply 60):
Not too sure if this has been posted before. Singapore Airlines are launching their 3rd daily departure flight from New Delhi to Singapore effective from Winter time table

SIA To Fly Three Times Per Day To New Delhi
23 July 2013 - Singapore Airlines will boost India services from the Northern Winter operating season (27 October 2013 – 29 March 2014), with a third daily flight to the capital New Delhi.

http://www.singaporeair.com/jsp/cms/...nref1

Wow, thrice daily on 777s  ; where are the majority of these passengers going? What % is O&D? What % are going to Aus and what % are going to US? Very curious if anybody can throw light on this. With exploding air traffic out of India makes one wonder the same thing that this post echoes - India Aviation-Unfortunate Lost Revenues (by flyenthu Jul 23 2013 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18110 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 59):
Too bad 74% FDI in Aviation is not being considered at the moment.

I wonder why so many Indians are so willing to sell Indian companies out to foreign ones. As the Jetihad deal shows, investing just 24% EY put in control clauses that only a majority shareholder would get.

Let us not fool ourselves, a foreign company is going to invest in India only if it can make a killing profit. There is very little justification otherwise, to making a risky investment outside one's home country.

Even in some of the most liberal economies in the world, foreign ownership of airlines and media is not allowed.

Quote:
The current rules in the U.S. state that airlines must be majority-owned by Americans (50 percent plus one). In addition, Americans must own 75 percent of the voting shares in the company.

If I remember correct, you work for a cargo airline in India, which has a large global cargo company as a partner. You are willing to allow selling of your employer to that American company, when your employer cannot go and buy that partner, even if they had the money. Why the one way street?

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-04-34R
http://www.examiner.com/article/fore...the-industry-and-air-travel-safety
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_1...rline-foreign-ownership-are-bogus/
http://www.businessweek.com/debatero...irlines_via_foreign_ownership.html
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=P...0ownership%20of%20airlines&f=false

May be we should take a cue, and have greater faith in ourselves.

IMHO, we should focus on getting the Civil Aviation Ministry to stick to policy and regulation and get out of operating AI and trying to micro-manage every other airline in India.

[Edited 2013-07-23 12:47:52]

[Edited 2013-07-23 12:49:35]


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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18084 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 62):
i read bangaloreaviation.com regularly.

Thanks for the support, and thanks for linking the article.



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User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18037 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 64):
I wonder why so many Indians are so willing to sell Indian companies out to foreign ones. As the Jetihad deal shows, investing just 24% EY put in control clauses that only a majority shareholder would get.

Let us not fool ourselves, a foreign company is going to invest in India only if it can make a killing profit. There is very little justification otherwise, to making a risky investment outside one's home country.

Even in some of the most liberal economies in the world, foreign ownership of airlines and media is not allowed.

I found an interesting thread that has been recently started on airliners.net. I find that thread and your thoughts are kind of in the same wavelength. I have been thinking about this too as to why Indians are fuelling the growth of foreign airlines in a big way and are at the receiving end of all these deals and selling themselves away without any clauses. After thinking a lot, i posted a detailed response in that thread, here is my response - India Aviation-Unfortunate Lost Revenues (by flyenthu Jul 23 2013 in Civil Aviation)

I think that thread should probably be merged into this thread. Bottom line is that India should position itself as a market with unimaginable potential using which Indians should be marketing and dicating terms & conditions to foreign govts, airlines AND manufacturers because Indian and China is where the growth is. The key is to have different folks compete for the Indian market share as outlined in that thread. There are umpteen possible options as outlined in that thread. Pls comment.

[Edited 2013-07-23 17:41:28]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 67, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 17753 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 64):
Let us not fool ourselves, a foreign company is going to invest in India only if it can make a killing profit. There is very little justification otherwise, to making a risky investment outside one's home country.

When you start a business....its obviously not to favour someone else.

Indian companies need funds......the GOI needs to help with the infrastructure and taxes.....give a chance for the Indian operators to do well.



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User currently offlineGr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 68, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17639 times:

Did AI just take or is about to take delivery of a new 787?

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Reply 69, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17468 times:
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Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 64):
I wonder why so many Indians are so willing to sell Indian companies out to foreign ones.

Its not something to worry about. For high risk, investors want a substantial potential reward.

With the GoI, there is the risk they will take too much interest and muddle in the business. With risk the purchase discounts become heavier. What India needs to do is rewrite many of the laws of doing business so that there is less risk and thus foreign investors will receive far less of a premium for their investment.

And thus the Indian economy will grow faster and self generate the funds to grow.

But no selling of corporate equity? That will be required to generate the quantity of funds Indian business requires to grow. Foreign direct investment is just a fact of life in the business world today. The trick is being on the better end of the deal. The more competition to invest, the better the deal for the seller.

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User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17476 times:

Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 68):
Did AI just take or is about to take delivery of a new 787?

Friends, according to http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/787family/787-8prod.page? the max of 787-8
is 7,650 to 8,200 nautical miles. So, am I correct in saying that a Air India 787 can comfortably do DEL - IAH non stop fully loaded without any restrictions? DEL - IAH is shown as 7276 nm by the great circle mapper
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=del-iah&DU=nm&SU=mph .


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Reply 71, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17331 times:

India's Foreign Investment Promotion Board has given conditional approval to the Jetihad deal.
http://www.business-standard.com/art...-wings-clipped-113072900613_1.html
http://www.livemint.com/Companies/Zg...al-approval-to-JetEtihad-deal.html



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 72, posted (1 year 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 17188 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 71):

India's Foreign Investment Promotion Board has given conditional approval to the Jetihad deal.

Lots of protection put in place  



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Reply 73, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17096 times:
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Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 71):
India's Foreign Investment Promotion Board has given conditional approval to the Jetihad deal.

Just in time to keep the purchase price from dropping. Or is it? There are too many committees to go through...

I wouldn't accept the change from English law to Indian law as an investor. With that one change, IMHO, the deal isn't worth what it was when offered. Time to cut the purchase price.

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 74, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16572 times:

Any reason why the Nose wheel hub of the spicejet B737s are mostly yellow.........


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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 75, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 16389 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 67):
When you start a business....its obviously not to favour someone else.

Indian companies need funds......the GOI needs to help with the infrastructure and taxes.....give a chance for the Indian operators to do well.

I agree on your logic, but still maintain that India is not so much of a beggar that it must take its pants off completely.

Even in the depths of the airline recession post 9/11, the United States did not open up its airline sector.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 76, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16132 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 74):
Any reason why the Nose wheel hub of the spicejet B737s are mostly yellow.........

No idea, but most of their newer planes are in white. I suspect these golden nose wheels, were from the original batch of leased 737s.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 77, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16063 times:

Air India wants to lease 19 (new I guess) A320's - dry lease, all-economy config and with Sharklets
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/t...ia-Survey/articleshow/21799702.cms



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Reply 78, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16027 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 76):
No idea, but most of their newer planes are in white. I suspect these golden nose wheels, were from the original batch of leased 737s.

Normally a coat of yellow on a L/G component indicates a reworked unit that has a larger ID,the colourcode is a check that the loose fitted one is not installed.....I wonder if it indicated a reworked wheel hub in this case.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 79, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15806 times:


Simple. No purchase of aircraft so no "income". Make money leasing out aircraft. Make money leasing in. Half the 777 is grounded because AI has already spent all the bail-out money and now does not have any money to buy spares required to make them airworthy.

AI would like us to believe the original A320s with the V2500 engines are not fuel efficient. It would help to understand what has changed.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 77):

Please check the link in your post. Correct links
Quoting Cricket (Reply 77):
Air India wants to lease 19 (new I guess) A320's - dry lease, all-economy config and with Sharklets

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Reply 80, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15710 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 79):

Quoting Cricket (Reply 77):

Please check the link in your post. Correct links
Quoting Cricket (Reply 77):
Air India wants to lease 19 (new I guess) A320's - dry lease, all-economy config and with Sharklets

oops...
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...20-planes/articleshow/21805609.cms
corrected



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 81, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15655 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 79):
AI would like us to believe the original A320s with the V2500 engines are not fuel efficient. It would help to understand what has changed.

Wasn't the V2500 issue about high end turbine cracking.....



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Reply 82, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15648 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 75):
I agree on your logic, but still maintain that India is not so much of a beggar that it must take its pants off completely.

  

US bashing again? We are talking investment here, not handouts. Just like Indian companies acquire assets abroad, foreign companies would like to invest where they can get a return for their money. The good news is that Indians can invest in the stocks of these firms: once listed, companies have no nationalities. Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" is a good read to help you understand these basics.

As for US Airlines, The US has antiquated laws, based on a perceived threat to National Security, that preclude such investment. By the same token, it would be quite fair if the GOI set up national security screens for airline FDI.


User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 15546 times:

According this article Spice Jet is looking to order up to 50 new aircraft and may change it's entire fleet to Airbus and possibly ATR. Is this true? Spice Jet is a huge customer to Boeing! A320 family sure is popular in India!

http://www.dnaindia.com/money/187380...ejet-may-place-order-for-50-planes


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 84, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15471 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 81):
Wasn't the V2500 issue about high end turbine cracking.....

If remember it was about the silver nuts in the HPT.

Quoting comorin (Reply 82):
S bashing again? We are talking investment here, not handouts.

Nope. not US bashing. Investments turn to handouts when companies expect a country to just drop its pants for the sake of FDI. See the negative sentiment within a.net itself when GoI objected to the one-sided clauses in the Jetihad deal. Forget government policy, but as a small shareholder of Jet, I would expect the SEBI to protect my interests just as I would expect the SEC to do in the US.

In the US, at least the DoJ is active. In India the Competition Commission is just the lap dog of the government.

Quoting United777 (Reply 83):
According this article Spice Jet is looking to order up to 50 new aircraft and may change it's entire fleet to Airbus and possibly ATR. Is this true? Spice Jet is a huge customer to Boeing! A320 family sure is popular in India!

What do the folks at CAPA know that we don't? They made the same comment about Jet Airways which has just ordered 50 MAXs.



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15161 times:

The slots 9W had at AMS for W13 are removed from the slot list. They're either on hold (as some rumours say) or have been returned. Anyway the chances that 9W can be seen at AMS in W13 are not so high.

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15130 times:

^^ Haven't they done the same thing before in gaining AMS slits and not using them?

I seem to remember this happening before but maybe it was another carrier.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15122 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 86):
I seem to remember this happening before but maybe it was another carrier.

No that's QR, which requests and receives slots for daily (or sometimes twice daily) DOH-AMS each Summer schedule, but always return them.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 88, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14828 times:

Who bought the Jet airways 773 that was stored after being built few years back, was it fitted with seats and painted in Jet livery or needed to get those?

User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 338 posts, RR: 3
Reply 89, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14797 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 84):
I would expect the SEBI to protect my interests just as I would expect the SEC to do in the US.

AFAIK the SEC in US will not protect an investor from a company that chooses to make stupid business decisions in M&A and decides to sell the farm for pittance. That is not the SEC's job.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 90, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14796 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 88):
Who bought the Jet airways 773 that was stored after being built few years back, was it fitted with seats and painted in Jet livery or needed to get those?

VT-JEL MSN36563 sold to Abu Dhabi Amiri.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13440 posts, RR: 100
Reply 91, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14699 times:
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How is the EY/9W deal going? The reality is that 9W needs funding. EY has turned around AB.

http://www.thenational.ae/business/i...rlin-thrives-in-etihads-jet-stream

When 9W is able to tie into hubbing at AUH, they'll fill their planes with higher revenue and survive.

Or we can watch all the Indian airlines loose money as the GoI subsidizes AI. At some point the insanity will stop. How many other Indian airlines will fail before AI is either privatized or allowed to fail? The GoI will not sign the bilaterals they need to open trade to expand the economy for fear of letting in competition to AI. To save the Indian airlines, the GoI needs to promote economic growth.

Quoting United777 (Reply 83):
According this article Spice Jet is looking to order up to 50 new aircraft and may change it's entire fleet to Airbus and possibly ATR. Is this true? Spice Jet is a huge customer to Boeing! A320 family sure is popular in India!

Every airline must negotiate each order. I doubt they'll go ATR, that doesn't fill out their whole needs. They do not need 50 turboprops. The A320? Quite plausible. The reason I think the NEO is likely is it is out earlier and will provide range to new destinations.

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 92, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14531 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 90):

thanks, any info on livery and interiors?


User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14477 times:

G'day

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 86):
gaining AMS slits and not using them


Definitons:

Slit

vb slits, slitting, slit (tr)
1. to make a straight long incision in; split open
2. to cut into strips lengthwise
3. to sever
n
1. a long narrow cut
2. a long narrow opening
[Old English slītan to slice; related to Old Norse slita, Old High German slīzen]

Slot

1. an elongated aperture or groove, such as one in a vending machine for inserting a coin
2. (Engineering / Aeronautics) an air passage in an aerofoil to direct air from the lower to the upper surface, esp the gap formed behind a slat
3. (Transport / Nautical Terms) a vertical opening between the leech of a foresail and a mast or the luff of another sail through which air spills from one against the other to impart forward motion
4. Informal a place in a series or scheme
vb slots, slotting, slotted
1. (tr) to furnish with a slot or slots
2. (usually foll by in or into) to fit or adjust in a slot
3. Informal to situate or be situated in a series or scheme
[from Old French esclot the depression of the breastbone, of unknown origin]


Above courtesy of thefreedictionary.com. specifically the Collins English Dictionary

Apologize for being somewhat off topic, I thought this needed some clarification, not sure where IndianicWorld's thoughts were when writing his post   


Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 94, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14443 times:

@ Heavierthanair

But for your above post, none of us would have caught on what IndianicWorld meant when he said "slits".

Thanks for enlightening us natives.

Remind me to buy you a bear for your efforts

Vimanav  



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 95, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14427 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 70):
s 7,650 to 8,200 nautical miles. So, am I correct in saying that a Air India 787 can comfortably do DEL - IAH non stop fully loaded without any restrictions? DEL - IAH is shown as 7276 nm by the great circle mapper

Nope , that is the range in ideal manufacturers conifg, and with no cargo

AI's 787 should be able to do a 8-9 hour flight with full pax and cargo beyond that the payload curve will decrease

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 90):
VT-JEL MSN36563 sold to Abu Dhabi Amiri.

Devesh, the world "sold" in this transaction is used only for official purposes   

Karan


User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14407 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 94):
Remind me to buy you a bear for your efforts

Thanks for your encouraging words Vimanav. I may accept your offer for a Kingfisher, for as long it is neither airline, bear or bird, I don't care for either though I may change my mind about the latter. Let's discuss this over a Kingfisher  

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 97, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14382 times:

Kingfisher - the unknown extinct...

Pete let's drink to the health of the English language with some 'desi'

Cheers

Vimanav



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14245 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 94):
But for your above post, none of us would have caught on what IndianicWorld meant when he said "slits".

Thank fully it was slits and not another word with a "u" in place of "i"..... that wud be more interesting esp with AMS....


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 99, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14109 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 84):

If remember it was about the silver nuts in the HPT.

My understanding was High end turbine cracks



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User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 13902 times:

Haven't seen this one posted here yet. SG launches PNQ-SHJ flight effective Sept 21. Schedule as follows,

PNQ-SHJ SG 51 22:30 00:25 - Mon/Wed/Thu/Sat
SHJ-PNQ SG 52 01:25 06:00 - Tue/Thu/Fri/Sun


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13706 times:

LOT to operate charters to Goa in winter with 787 according to airline route site, no schedule given.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3271 posts, RR: 9
Reply 102, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13504 times:

Expect increased UDF at BLR soon  http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...opment-fee-hike/article5053176.ece

[quote]Cabinet okays user development fee hike

The Karnataka Cabinet, which met here on Friday, permitted the Bangalore International Airport Limited (BIAL) to hike the User Development Fee charged on both domestic and international passengers.

A request to raise the State Government’s equity proposed by BIAL to meet the additional expenditure being incurred for expansion of the terminal has been rejected by the state Government and a hike in the UDF has instead been suggested. Presently, the UDF is Rs. 231 for a domestic passenger and Rs. 952 for an international passenger.
...
The Cabinet decided that the UDF can be raised while at the same time it should not hurt the passengers.

The UDF at Hyderabad is Rs. 430 for domestic passengers and Rs. 1, 00 for international passengers and the Karnataka government will convey to BIAL that the UDF should not be more than that charged by the Hyderabad airport.[quote]

Make flying more expensive, sounds like a plan!



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13436 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 102):
The Cabinet decided that the UDF can be raised while at the same time it should not hurt the passengers.

This is a decision?!


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 104, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13410 times:

So tarun in MINT has this story on how NG might now shift away from JetKonnect's "Low-Cost" model - I mean it was a high-cost model parading itself as a low-cost model, generally very confusing!

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/JZ...shift-away-from-lowcost-model.html



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User currently onlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 105, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13344 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 104):

And now I am even more confused. So now what is the difference between Jet and JetKonnect? And why do they need JetKonnect if it is at par with Jet?


User currently offlineGr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 106, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13237 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 105):
And now I am even more confused. So now what is the difference between Jet and JetKonnect? And why do they need JetKonnect if it is at par with Jet?

JetKonnect is a low cost wing of Jet Airways......they have a no-frills service (you have to buy food onboard, etc.), its all economy class, and so on.....


User currently onlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 107, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13176 times:

Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 106):

It made some sense before. But the linked articles says they are now going to turn JetKonnect into a full service brand from an LCC.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 108, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13064 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 104):
So tarun in MINT has this story on how NG might now shift away from JetKonnect's "Low-Cost" model - I mean it was a high-cost model parading itself as a low-cost model, generally very confusing!

Forget price and FSC vs. LCC, I think Goyal needs to stop selling confusion to his customers, that is of course assuming he is not confused.  



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 109, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13029 times:

For your viewing pleasure, Indigo made a music video celebrating their 7th anniversary
http://youtu.be/b9J-OEhY8FQ



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User currently offlineGr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 110, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12890 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 107):

It made some sense before. But the linked articles says they are now going to turn JetKonnect into a full service brand from an LCC.

Who knows.....maybe they want to shut it down in future......with the EY stake and all that, it may be a strategy that they are slowly executing....get out of the LCC business and occupy the full services area, which they are better known for.....


User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 111, posted (1 year 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 12641 times:

I recently had a very bad experience on Indigo.


1. The flight attendants took almost 2 hours to complete the service between row 15 and the last row(30?).
2. Continuous arguments between the FAs.
3 Service continues even during turbulence. The fasten seat belt lights were on.
4. I was left stranded in the aft galley when the fasten seat belt sign was on as the FAs were blocking the aisle.
5. Worst ever passenger behaviour and the failure of the FAs to control them.



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User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 111):
I recently had a very bad experience on Indigo.1. The flight attendants took almost 2 hours to complete the service between row 15 and the last row(30?).2. Continuous arguments between the FAs. 3 Service continues even during turbulence. The fasten seat belt lights were on.4. I was left stranded in the aft galley when the fasten seat belt sign was on as the FAs were blocking the aisle.5. Worst ever passenger behaviour and the failure of the FAs to control them.

I flew Indigo last year HYD-DEL, was seated in row 30. I was only served my pre-ordered meal about 20 minutes before landing in Delhi.

Also more than once I found myself on an Indigo flight seated next to somebody who kept a huge bag on his lap during take-off, blocking my "access to aisle in case of an emergency". It really is very simple: small bags "are stowed under the seat in front of you", larger bags "should be stowed in the overhead compartment". Again and again I found that Indigo flight attendants do not check these safety regulations at all.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 113, posted (1 year 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 12600 times:

About Indigo, I guess the best way to address complaints like this is to their Twitter account @IndiGo6E
In other news, India has been taken off the aviation blacklist, although private charterd operators are cribbing like mad
http://www.livemint.com/Politics/f0T...moved-from-aviation-blacklist.html



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User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 114, posted (1 year 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 12595 times:

After a long wait, AI finally inaugurated the Kangaroo route half an hour back. VT-ANK is operating the first flight to SYD/MEL.


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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 115, posted (1 year 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 12601 times:

Any new news in Air Asia India? What is the buzz in India on them? Any reactions to their somewhat unconventional CEO and senior management appointments?

User currently offlineGr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 months 14 hours ago) and read 12560 times:

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 114):
After a long wait, AI finally inaugurated the Kangaroo route half an hour back. VT-ANK is operating the first flight to SYD/MEL.

Is it by 787?


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 12560 times:

Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 116):
Is it by 787?

Yes indeed it is. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-ank


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 118, posted (1 year 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 12424 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 115):
Any new news in Air Asia India? What is the buzz in India on them? Any reactions to their somewhat unconventional CEO and senior management appointments?

2013 will be the year......hopefully competition will improve services......



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User currently offlineGr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 12410 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 118):
2013 will be the year......hopefully competition will improve services......

Haha....not had the chance to visit India for some time, but from what I hear from people who travel down there, the service on Indian carriers on domestic routes is far better than the "service" that you get on US carriers (quite a few of which I've had to put up with lately).....


User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 120, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12326 times:

Back to Sydney after 23 years.

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...the-first-time-20130830-2sue8.html

Quote:
The first commercial flight of a Boeing 787 Dreamliner to Australia touched down on Friday morning, in an event that also marked the return of Air India resuming direct flights here.
Flight AI312 touched down at Sydney Airport at 8.29am, 14 minutes behind schedule. The flight continued on to Melbourne - originally scheduled for 11.20am, but finally landed at 11.59am.
The arrival of flight AI312 from Delhi marks the first time a Dreamliner has arrived in Australia on a passenger flight. The cutting edge aircraft has been plagued with problems during its initial construction and has run into further difficulties since entering service.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...EBcsq



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12246 times:

Plane departed MEL 2 hours late apparently today back to DEL. Media certainly had to point that out and added the story regarding the 787s history of unreliability to the mix. Got to love that  

Not a great start but good to see them back in Australia.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12230 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 121):
Plane departed MEL 2 hours late apparently today back to DEL.

This is Air India. Delays may be due to a thousand reasons not related to the 787!  


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12220 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 122):
This is Air India. Delays may be due to a thousand reasons not related to the 787!

I know that all too well  


User currently onlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 124, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12186 times:

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 120):

Congratulations to AI! I for one was a skeptic. Never believed they would restart MEL. My wish now is for a direct BOM-AI birds having the reg# on the wing before.

Edit:

I just went through the photo database and it seems like only the 787 fleet has the reg. on the wing.

[Edited 2013-08-30 07:06:48]

User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 125, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12153 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 124):
I just went through the photo database and it seems like only the 787 fleet has the reg. on the wing

Nope, even the 777s do, not sure about 320s

Karan


User currently onlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12142 times:

Ugh, the edit function messed up my post. I was saying that my wish was for a direct BOM-YYZ flight. And I was asking if the reg# on the wing was a new thing for AI aircraft as I had never seen them before.

Quoting karan69 (Reply 125):

Not saying you are wrong ... I was looking at this and a couple of other photos including the latest trip report by SR 103 and the wing shot did not seem to have it.


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User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 127, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12185 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 126):
was looking at this and a couple of other photos including the latest trip report by SR 103 and the wing shot did not seem to have it.

Have logged quite a few flights with AI on domestic as well but just cant remember the 320s have it or not, only sure about the fact that the 319 VT-SCB i flew last month did indeed have the reg on the Wing, it was in the "new Indian" livery

Same registration you posted seen here with the wing reg


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Photo © Chris Lofting



Karan


User currently offlineGr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12140 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 124):
I just went through the photo database and it seems like only the 787 fleet has the reg. on the wing.
Quoting golfradio (Reply 126):
And I was asking if the reg# on the wing was a new thing for AI aircraft as I had never seen them before.

The entire B707 fleet and the 742 and 743 fleets back in the day, all had registrations on the upper surface of the wing.....usually on the right wing.....


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11864 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 124):
I just went through the photo database and it seems like only the 787 fleet has the reg. on the wing.

AFAIK, all Indian aircraft are required to have the registration on the wing. Right wing on the top side left wing on the bottom.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11710 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 129):
AFAIK, all Indian aircraft are required to have the registration on the wing. Right wing on the top side left wing on the bottom.

ICAO Annex 7 Aircraft Nationality and Registration Marks states about the location of registration marks:

4.3 Heavier-than-air aircraft

4.3.1 Wings. On heavier-than-air aircraft, the marks shall appear once on the lower surface of the wing structure. They shall be located on the left half of the lower surface of the wing structure unless they extend across the whole of the lower surface of the wing structure. So far as is possible, the marks shall be located equidistant from the leading and trailing edges of the wings. The tops of the letters and numbers shall be toward the leading edge of the wing.

4.3.2 Fuselage (or equivalent structure) and vertical tail surfaces. On heavier-than-air aircraft, the marks shall appear either on each side of the fuselage (or equivalent structure) between the wings and the tail surface or on the upper halves of the vertical tail surfaces. When located on a single vertical tail surface, they shall appear on both sides. When located on multivertical tail surfaces, they shall appear on the outboard sides of the outer surfaces.

4.3.3 Special cases. If a heavier-than-air aircraft does not possess parts corresponding to those mentioned in 4.3.1 and 4.3.2, the marks shall appear in a manner such that the aircraft can be identified readily.

India being a signatory follows the above especially 4.3.1 & 4.3.2. Other external places to mark the reg like nose wheel door (last two reg. letters) or above windscreen (last reg letter) are optional.

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User currently onlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11632 times:

IAE V-2500 A5 engines supplied by the US-based company to Kingfisher Airlines were “inherently defective, both in design and manufacture.”

Unbelievable. This man is now blaming every one else for the failure of IT. The V2500 including all derivatives has over 4000 deliveries across the A320 and MD90 families.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 132, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11517 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 131):
Unbelievable. This man is now blaming every one else for the failure of IT. The V2500 including all derivatives has over 4000 deliveries across the A320 and MD90 families.

The man has no shame. It is true that the IAE engines were prone to a certain kind of failure if pushed too hard in hot and dry conditions or some such thing, but the fact of the matter is Indigo uses them too, and seems to be managing quite fine!


User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11500 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 132):
the fact of the matter is Indigo uses them too, and seems to be managing quite fine!


Indigo was protected by the nature of its contract with the Engine manufacturers who iirc had to do a lot of replacements/repair on 6E aircraft for free and immly, while IT had a differently worded contract. There is no denying that IT indeed seemed badly hit by the engine problems. The only question is: why did they not sue at that time.


User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11477 times:

The lawsuit was filed a year ago, media is just trying to throw stones at a dead bird

Karan


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11484 times:

Quoting freqflyer (Reply 133):
Indigo was protected by the nature of its contract with the Engine manufacturers who iirc had to do a lot of replacements/repair on 6E aircraft for free and immly, while IT had a differently worded contract. There is no denying that IT indeed seemed badly hit by the engine problems. The only question is: why did they not sue at that time.

Well then, it was a failure of management then to sign the right kind of contract, which in this case would be a "power by the hour" contract.

Quoting karan69 (Reply 134):
The lawsuit was filed a year ago, media is just trying to throw stones at a dead bird

Media is just reacting to the latest annual report of IT, where this has been named as one of the main reasons that KF is in distress. http://www.livemint.com/Companies/N3...mn-claim-from-aircraft-engine.html

No mention though of the millions of liabilities KF has created for itself by cannibalizing leased aircraft and making them unflyable.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3271 posts, RR: 9
Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11197 times:

From; http://macaubusinessdaily.com/Busine...-flights-Delhi-win-Indian-approval

Quote:
Direct flights to Delhi win Indian approval

Flights could begin in March, with a rubber stamp from Macau’s aviation regulator

SpiceJet Airlines Ltd is on the verge of opening a route between New Delhi and Macau and flights could begin as early as March.

India’s Directorate General of Civil Aviation recently approved the low-cost airline’s application, one year after it was first filed, a source in Macau’s aviation industry told Business Daily.

“The remaining step SpiceJet has to do is to file an official request to the Macau regulator and secure its approval,” the source said. “But I do not think the Macau side would say ‘no’.”

The Chinese-language newspaper Macao Daily News reported yesterday that SpiceJet had won approval from the Indian government.

The Civil Aviation Authority of Macau said it had “yet to receive a formal application” from the airline controlled by Indian media tycoon Kalanithi Maran.
...
The current air services agreement between Macau and India allows each partner only two return flights a week that carry no more than 600 passengers in total.

Both governments say they want the agreement overhauled.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11145 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 135):
Well then, it was a failure of management then to sign the right kind of contract, which in this case would be a "power by the hour" contract.

KF downfall was partially accelerated by poor MGMT.......



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11150 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 137):
KF downfall was partially accelerated by poor MGMT.......

Partially? It is 100% a combination of poor management and interference in management by the egomaniacal owner!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10933 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 138):

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 137):
KF downfall was partially accelerated by poor MGMT.......

Partially? It is 100% a combination of poor management and interference in management by the egomaniacal owner!

I said partially because of other contributing factors such as Poor Aviation infrastructure in the country, long holding times in air,high ATF rates, high parking/navigation charges.......its getting expensive to run an airline and number of pax per flt to break even is getting higher.

To add in KF case, when you have no logic for mgmt decisions that benifit an individual & not the organisation, then that is a wrong manager.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10923 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 138):
Partially? It is 100% a combination of poor management and interference in management by the egomaniacal owner!
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 139):
I said partially because of other contributing factors such as Poor Aviation infrastructure in the country, long holding times in air,high ATF rates, high parking/navigation charges.......its getting expensive to run an airline and number of pax per flt to break even is getting higher.

To add in KF case, when you have no logic for mgmt decisions that benifit an individual & not the organisation, then that is a wrong manager.

Let's say it was a case of "Vinash kale vipreet buddhi..."

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10836 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 52):
PIA are using A310 now on both DEL flights from Lahore, as last operational 737 is doing domestic and Abu Dhabi, BOM down to just one weekly service, an all time low.

LHE-DEL goes once weekly, KHI-DEL suspended, was once weekly


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10481 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 140):
Let's say it was a case of "Vinash kale vipreet buddhi..."

OR busy VJM.......NO accountability by mgr's  



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3271 posts, RR: 9
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10454 times:

The latest buzz - 6E125 Damages Runway Lights, Vobl Shut For An Hour (by Nimish Sep 12 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10390 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 141):
LHE-DEL goes once weekly, KHI-DEL suspended, was once weekly

It's just ridiculous how few flights there are between these large neighbours. So much opportunity wasted. and i can easily imagine that it will stay like this for my whole life. shame.


User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 144):
It's just ridiculous how few flights there are between these large neighbours. So much opportunity wasted. and i can easily imagine that it will stay like this for my whole life. shame.

Totally agree with the above statement except "shame"...   



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 558 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10288 times:

OS 034 got cancelled for 14th Sept, my parents were supposed to go in it.

Thank god they automatically re-booked them on LH, but I'm wondering, doesnt OS have too few widebodies for their long-haul ops. (considering this must have been a technical snag or something and they probably dont have any spare 772 or 763s)

Anybody know the reason for the canceling?



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10185 times:

Quoting freqflyer (Reply 133):
Indigo was protected by the nature of its contract with the Engine manufacturers

6E was the launch customer for the IAE Select One program.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 137):
KF downfall was partially accelerated by poor MGMT.......

Ahem ....... partially? I would say mostly. External factors aside which are common to all other airlines save AI.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 142):
OR busy VJM.......NO accountability by mgr's

"In-breeding" is the cause. Almost all of aviation industry people at the time IT really went in to a tail-spin (2008) were from the government run institutions AI, IC, AAI, etc. directly or indirectly like via ModiLuft, Damania, Jet, East West, Air Sahara etc.

They were brought up in a culture of promoting from within and a strict hierarchical system. Like cloning, this ensured that each successive generation was no better, probably worse, than the previous one. Without external resources, thoughts, and ideas, these "in-bred managers" could only copy what someone else was doing. If you observe SG, G8 and others started improving after outside leadership was brought in.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9823 times:

Quote:
Jet Airways vice president (commercial strategy and investor relations) K G Vishwanath has resigned from the airline. Vishwanath is the second senior executive after chief executive officer Nikos Kardassis to leave the airline
http://www.business-standard.com/art...shwanath-quits-113091500176_1.html

Sources are saying that Sudheer Raghavan, Chief Commercial Officer will be the next to leave? Any ideas?



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 148):
Sources are saying that Sudheer Raghavan, Chief Commercial Officer will be the next to leave? Any ideas?

Rumours are that Etihad discovered that even basic route profitability analysis and network contribution / cost allocation to routes was being done incorrectly at Jet, leading to good routes being cut and bad ones being retained. This may well be an outcome of those kinds of discoveries.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3271 posts, RR: 9
Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 149):
Rumours are that Etihad discovered that even basic route profitability analysis and network contribution / cost allocation to routes was being done incorrectly at Jet, leading to good routes being cut and bad ones being retained

Given that the decision making is all going to move to AUH in due course, why keep these expensive positions here in India? My guess is that's the reason for these top level changes at 9W - just cutting costs and aligning with Jetihad.



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9682 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 150):
Given that the decision making is all going to move to AUH in due course, why keep these expensive positions here in India?

Indeed, and I think the findings from Etihad's due diligence may have hastened the process.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13440 posts, RR: 100
Reply 152, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9738 times:
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How long was 9W's commercial strategy head at the helm? From the link in post #148, it looks like long enough to be responsible for too many mistakes.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 102):
Make flying more expensive, sounds like a plan!
Quoting sankaps (Reply 151):

Quoting Nimish (Reply 150):
Given that the decision making is all going to move to AUH in due course, why keep these expensive positions here in India?

Indeed, and I think the findings from Etihad's due diligence may have hastened the process.

   Any executives who do not hold their weight and mismanaged their departments are done.

This will be really good for 9W in the long run. But now is the time of cutting.

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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9726 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 150):
Given that the decision making is all going to move to AUH in due course, why keep these expensive positions here in India? My guess is that's the reason for these top level changes at 9W

India is not a tiny country without mercantile and company laws. If EY with 24% stake tries US style management techniques it will be in trouble. They can replace with their puppets in India but position has to stay in India. It is not like Doug Parker kicking out AA management on the day of merger announcement. Just because it is practiced in USA it is not worldwide norm. Even US Government is realizing this cannot go on forever.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 154, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9685 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 153):
Even US Government is realizing this cannot go on forever.

???       What has the above remark got to do with anything???


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9674 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 154):
Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 153):
Even US Government is realizing this cannot go on forever.

???       What has the above remark got to do with anything???

One of the reasons DOJ decided to block the merger is because Doug Parker already moved in to AA corner office even before merger is approved. EY already tried to make significant changes to 9W management and appointed more BODs than they are supposed to. After FIPB raised red flags, they backed off.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 156, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9653 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 155):
One of the reasons DOJ decided to block the merger is because Doug Parker already moved in to AA corner office even before merger is approved

I don't think there is any evidence at all that the above was a factor in the decision. Nor is there evidence Doug was calling the shots at AA.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 155):
EY already tried to make significant changes to 9W management and appointed more BODs than they are supposed to. After FIPB raised red flags, they backed off.

Yes, their openness in making 9W management decisions was indeed somewhat naïve of them. And they were rightly hauled up for it. But it does seem that they are continuing to de-facto make 9W's decisions via their appointed CEO, Gary Toomey.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 157, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9645 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 150):
decision making is all going to move to AUH in due course

Going to move?? Looks like it is already underway. For just $390 million, EY has taken over Jet.

Even Anita Goyal who was heading "Network Planning"and "Revenue Management"has been shunted out and is now an "advisor" to the CEO.

But my original question about Sudheer Raghavan is left unanswered. Any one can help?



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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9499 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 156):

9W/EY deal heading to Supreme Court. If SC takes the case they will ask to Central Bureau of Investigation to look into the deal. It will take 6-12 months. Who knows which alliance will be ruling India by then. Both 9W/EY and India-UAE bilateral deals will be dead in water.


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Reply 159, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9342 times:
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Air India looking to not return to cash profits by 2018:
http://www.livemint.com/Companies/Hi...turnaround-plan.html?ref=also_read

Air India is slated to get $6.5 billion in equity infusion till 2021 from the government that is subject to the airline meeting the targets set in its turnaround plan. It is not clear whether more funds will now be needed to revive the airline.

Ghad... Instead they'll delay/block/reduce EY/9W's deal. I wonder how much EY will cut their purchase price (they have that option as of October 1st).

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User currently offlinemk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

Anyone know when the new ATC at DEL will be open for use? Will the old tower be demolished then just like at BOM?


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Reply 161, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 8953 times:

According to this article by Tarun Shukla in the Mint MoCA has cleared Air Asia India. They can now apply for a license to DGCA.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/Dwo...a-proposal-to-start-an-airlin.html



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 162, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 8720 times:

Its very much possible for an operators to be profitable......with a little reduction in taxes which can be knocked off

Quoting VTORD (Reply 161):

I guess on the meet at Sept End....TATA and sons will decide sell their stake to Bhatias.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 163, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8605 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 159):
Air India looking to not return to cash profits by 2018:
http://www.livemint.com/Companies/Hi..._read

What is going on?  

One and a half months ago, Nandan said otherwise, http://businesstoday.intoday.in/stor...s-hope-of-a-comeback/1/196871.html

Three weeks ago, he said AI was hedged against the rupee fall http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...plunge-with-overseas-revenues.html

Early August, reports said AI generated a Rs. 460 Cr cash surplus. http://www.businessworld.in/news/fin...s-of-rs-460-cr/1017573/page-1.html

With due respect to Tarun, how do these AI "officials" respond to these contradictory reports? There are rumours of a tussle between a senior official in MoCA and Rohit Nandan. Not sure if this is one of those "planted" stories.



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 164, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

Confusing but fairly consistent, I think?

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 163):
One and a half months ago, Nandan said otherwise, http://businesstoday.intoday.in/stor....html

This article states that the airline is turning around, and AI aims to be cash flow positive by 2016/17 and fully profitable by 2019/20.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 163):
Three weeks ago, he said AI was hedged against the rupee fall http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0....html



This article is pretty straightforward re AI's balance sheet management for FX - its income streams in USD match outflows. As for performance, from the Bloomberg link, "The former monopoly operator narrowed losses to 52 billion rupees ($774 million) in the year ended March from a record 75.6 billion rupees a year earlier. It aims to further reduce losses to 39.9 billion rupees this year, Nandan said May 14."

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 163):
Early August, reports said AI generated a Rs. 460 Cr cash surplus. http://www.businessworld.in/news/fin...s-of-rs-460-cr/1017573/page-1.html

The 460 Cr surplus in April/June is the surplus over variable cost. Heartening trend, but AI is a capital intensive operation. So I think a return to profitability in 2018 is consistent with your information so far?

From the articles:

1. Positive 'Surplus' ( Revenue - Variable Costs) - achieved.   
2. Positive Cash Flow (Revenue - Variable Costs - Fixed Costs) - expected 2016/2017
3. EBIT "Net Income" ( Revenue now covers Interest and Depreciation) - expected 2019/ 2020.

Hope this is useful, please feel free to correct.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 165, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

Thanks for the explanation, but I was focussed on the contradictory statements.

From the Mint article

Quote:
Air India Ltd may miss its target of returning to cash profits by 2018 after the local currency weakened sharply against the dollar, increasing the state-run airline’s expenditure on jet fuel, overseas borrowings and aircraft leases.

Air India’s turnaround plan was made in 2011 when the rupee was trading at 45 against the US currency. The Indian currency has since weakened to 63.37 per dollar, increasing the airline’s expenditure by Rs.2,600 crore in just the current fiscal year, said an Air India official who declined to be named.

From an Indian Express article just 4 days ago http://newindianexpress.com/business...ndan/2013/09/18/article1789998.ece

Quote:
State-run carrier Air India could be turning the corner as it is hoping to meet it financial target for the second quarter this fiscal despite an “unprecedented” hike in the aviation turbine fuel prices (ATF) prices and wild fluctuations in the value of rupee against the US dollar. The value of rupee has eroded nearly 25 per cent since August.

“Though we are facing unexpected increase in aviation turbine fuel cost and wild fluctuation in rupee value against the dollar, we are hopeful that we would be able to achieve our financial targets,” an optimistic Air India CMD Rohit Nandan told reporters on the sidelines of an a function to launch Air India-State Bank of India co-branded credit card on Tuesday



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 166, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8488 times:

Came across this link while searching for the Air India story.

Quote:
How Not To Pay Taxes: The Jet Airways Way
http://www.businessworld.in/news/web....html

Very clever and impressive, I must admit.



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Reply 167, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8456 times:
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Quoting comorin (Reply 164):
This article states that the airline is turning around, and