DeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0 Posted (15 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1822 times:
Today top Boeing executives announced that it is fighting back at Airbus in a hope that El Al will announce the Boeing 767-400ERX order instead of the A330. Appearently the Airbus order was never at any time actually going to happen and that it was only being considered. U.S. Officials are assisting in the fight as are the European Nations with Airbus. At this point and time the future of Boeing is at a question. But, not only does Boeing handle commercial aviation, but alo satelites, space, military, etc. The war is continuing and maybe now can we see who the strong one is.
Mirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (15 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
It's sad when your idea of aviation is like a war between the two bigger aircraft manufacturers.
I like all kinds of aircrafts and never thought there would be people who like aviation as some kind of contest or my plane is better than yours.
Now I know there are this kind of people thanks to internet.
Boeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (15 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1633 times:
It is less the aviation aspect that is involved in this so called 'war', but rather the way business is conducted all over the world. In order to sell their 'stuff', business-leaders go out of their way in order to place their merchandise into the customer's hands. If it is the right way of doing business is anybodys' own opinion, but I am certain both sides in this 'campaign' are doing anything and everything to get their airplanes to ElAl.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 1609 times:
What's your point?
The only thing I critisied is that you claim the B767-400ERX or whatever they call that thing will be better in general than the A330-200. That's pure nonsense as nobody knows yet how exactly Boeing can improve the B767-400. And who thinks the A330-200 as it flies today won't be improved to compete with better B767-400 versions?
I don't know what's so funny here. Stay on the gound and don't try to be ironic.
Delta727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (15 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1592 times:
The entire El Al deal is sad- they have been a loyal Boeing customer for years and for them to desert American enterprise which has helped Israel become the nation it is today shows that Boeing must continue to take Airbus seriously as a competitor. But Boeing's future is certainly not hanging in the balance. Sure, Boeing also focuses on other aerospace technologies, but these businesses make Boeing a BETTER company and are not burdens to its corporate infrastructure. While the Airbus consortium has the European nations behind it, Boeing has a long lasting, honorable reputation that has made the company what it is today. Boeing is a much stronger company than Airbus is, and will remain at the forefront for many years to come.
William From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (15 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1584 times:
Delta727,uh....many of us knew this already,however I am happy you have come to realize this too. Now I hope we stop looking at orders placed by airlines as a game or sport. The time and knowledge that goes behind aircraft purchases make our little fights on this sight pale in comparison. Lets just accept an airliner's aircraft as just that,an order. Only the airline knows what aircraft fits it needs now and in the future,none of us here do.
If you are a Boeing fan,keep hoping that they win the JSF Defense contract. It will be worth between 150 BILLION and 250 BILLION dollars over a 20 year span. And get this,Boeing is working with one of Airbus's partners,BAe. You see folks,all about money.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (15 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1579 times:
I still don't know what's your point. About the stretch and two more wings (making four) was a bit irony. Every heard about it?
And if there even comes a better B767-400XXXXX (or how many X you ever want), Airbus won't sit on the ground and eating some ice cream. Then they would bring out the A330-200X (or XXXXX...)...
I just critizise some of your general expressions like "this one will be better because A is written after B..." Just don't always see only black and white, maybe some grey would be useful.
Spaceman Spiff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (15 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
I am a professional pilot. I love flying real airplanes. I don't really get the same thrill flying Microsoft Flight Sim. I really have no desire to do it with 300 people behind me. Therefore even though Airbus makes airplanes that are cheap to buy and cheap to fly, I still rather FLY a Boeing or MD product than be a button pushing guy who has to get the computer's permission to touch stuff. Just my opinion. War is a business. Business is a war. That is just the way it is. Commercial aviation is no exception. With national pride and billions of dollars at stake you better realize that is is going to be a nasty battle.
Kuantan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (15 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1573 times:
Gotta agree with you, Boeings are fine planes... but if you check out TIME from a few weeks back, you'll see the MD-11 has a 7 times greater chance of crashing than a Boeing....the stats are 0.73 crashes per million flights for Boeing in general, 0.49 per million for the B764, and 4.79 ina million for the MD 11.- Bit of a slip up on MD's part, wouldn't you say?
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4466 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (15 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1558 times:
I am calm my friend. I was just trying to show you that you blast me for something a few weeks ago saying Oh I am an aviation god. I just had some information that you didn't that is all. I don't want to argue with you I just don't like it when you constantly blast what I say.
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