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OZ 777 Crash At SFO Part 1  
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1938 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 700295 times:
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An OZ 777 just crashed off the end of runway 28R at SFO. Details to come

Please continue discussion at OZ 777 Crash At SFO Part 2 (by moderators Jul 6 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 701108 times:

There is no OZ 777 departing this early. However it may have been on arrival. Everything at SFO is going around currently


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 701389 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3082 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 700509 times:
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Aircraft should be HL7742. I'm shaking right now...


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User currently offlineSIA747Megatop From Singapore, joined Apr 2012, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 700226 times:

Was this a runway excursion or an actual "crash?"


That's Mr. Bovine Joni to you.
User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 700269 times:

Can't find the reg on Flightradar24... Since it crashed off 28R is it in the bay?

EDIT : Seems like the reg was already found... Sorry.

[Edited 2013-07-06 11:44:23]


http://flightdiary.net/CO764. Next Flights: ORY - PSA, CTA - CDG.
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3082 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 700663 times:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/kristaseiden/status/353583157355880448/photo/1

Looks bad...



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User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 700056 times:

Looks pretty bad with thick black smoke plumes in pictures on twitter



User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 699878 times:

I just confirmed there is a crash on the approach end of the 28's. The plane is broken in multiple pieces. It appeared to the controller I spoke with that it was a hard landing and the tail is yards away from the body of the aircraft. It was possible a short landing or hard touchdown.


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26168 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 699269 times:

FAA advisory out says "DISABLED AIRCRAFT".


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1025 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 698676 times:

there is nothing on any of the SFO area tv stations. where did you get your information from?


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlineual757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 698942 times:

Oh my god. I saw this on my friend's Facebook page. I hope everyone gets out okay, I'm shaking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kristaseiden?p=s

Here's the twitter page I'm finding pics on...


User currently offlinezalemam From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 699871 times:

Two more images...from twitter






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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 698187 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 10):

I got the info from Ramp Tower I use to supervise. Crash confirmed. Tragic



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3357 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 697300 times:
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Wow. Hope everyone is okay.

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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 697347 times:
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SFO Airport is currently closed the flight was OZ214


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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 697341 times:

Current weather:

SFO 061756Z WINDS 210 @ 6, VIS 10SM, FEW016, TEMPS 18/10, ALT 29.82.

Is SFO closed?



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User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 697446 times:

Looks like majority of fuselage is intact. Nose looks to have snapped off with tail nowhere to be seen. Hopefully most of pax and crew have survived but wouldn't be surprised if there are some fatalities up front.

User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 696223 times:

That looks real bad, hope everyone is ok

Karan


User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 696204 times:

Wow! Wx is severe clear. What the hell happened? Hoping the best for those on board.


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8773 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 694878 times:

Asiana ICN (Seoul) to SFO and is allegedly a 777-200LR.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27337 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 695515 times:

Looks bad !!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw


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Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 694982 times:
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NYCAviation is reporting fuel problems. Perhaps fuel exhaustion?
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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13206 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 695482 times:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOgxkLYCAAALk5s.png:large

http://twitter.com/AerospaceInfo/status/353587068343025665/photo/1



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User currently offlinej8 From St. Vincent and the Grenadines, joined Mar 2013, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 693689 times:

Hoping for the best for all...

25 Post contains links Fastphilly : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFtmSybpuw&feature=youtu.be
26 kaneporta1 : Actually looks better than I thought. Fuselage seems intact although tail is missing. Kinda reminds me of the BA038 crash, but I don't know if OZ 777
27 aerobalance : That's a good sight to see, bad enough but could be worse. Edit: after viewing for pictures it looks bad for rear of the aircraft. Such a shame.[Edit
28 KarelXWB : The whole 777 fleet has PW4090 engines.
29 raggi : Looks bad, hopefully no fatalities... I fear the 777's perfect safety record has been broken. OZ's 777 fleet are all 77E, PW engines.
30 bluewhale18210 : Airport is closed until further notice... And yeah, looks like it's severe clear out there... SFO ATIS INFO N 1756Z. 21006KT 10SM FEW016 18/10 A2982 (
31 na : This plane has/had Pratt & Whitneys if its a 772ER.
32 Post contains links by738 : Yes that was what I was thinking. An intact fuselage is hopefully a good sign. The 772 is certainly powered by PW http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?
33 ba319-131 : At leas there are some chutes deployed, indicated people got out. - What's that supposed to mean? - You saying only RR 777's crash?
34 Post contains links mayor : Here's the first media account I could find......I don't understand the part about the plane coming to a rest, "upside down".....looks right side up,
35 9lflyguy : From the video, it looks like the fire has not reached the cabin, it looks to be behind the aircraft, maybe where the tail section is. and I see slide
36 KarelXWB : This is not the first 777 crash.
37 Polot : I think he meant in terms of fatalities.
38 Spacepope : I'm sure he's referring to the lack of fatal 777 crashes.
39 ThomasCook : Lufthansa A380 LH454 diverting to Oakland now.
40 threeifbyair : Where is the rest of the plane? Hard to see from the CNN feed but I only see part of it. Incredibly stupid reporting by the CNN anchor right now, btw.
41 KarelXWB : Update: crews report 48 patients have been rescued so far after 777 crashes on landing. Passengers still on burning plane.
42 KiwiRob : How long does it take to reopen an airport after an incident like this, I'm on a flight to SFO with my family on Monday?
43 srbmod : CNN is just now reporting it. It's pretty bad that it took them over a half hour after it happened to first report it. Just shows you how social media
44 OA260 : Sky News reporting it now news.sky.com but only a ticker at the bottom of the screen ''Breaking News''. I guess they are awaiting more information.
45 NeutronStar73 : That is a testament to Boeing's design. The aircraft looks to be relatively intact. Hope all aboard are okay
46 CO764 : First time an A380 lands in OAK?
47 KarelXWB : Yeah: "The 777 is a plane that normally has 3 rows." "it's unclear whether any passengers were on board." Facepalm :F
48 raggi : No fatal 777 crash yet, hopefully that is still true after today.
49 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Picture from the other side: http://twitter.com/navarrobryan/status/353589030849503233/photo/1
50 PA110 : Watching local KTVU ch2 right now. Reporting tail strike on landing with tail section breaking off.
51 cuban8 : Seems like a bad accident. In most of the time, the front of the airplane gets the worst damage, but in this case I'm wondering what happened to the w
52 jetblueguy22 : I just listened to the LiveATC archive and I don't think it was fuel exhaustion. There seemed to be no indications of issues prior to the landing. Tho
53 Post contains links freeze3192 : LiveATC SFO: http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ksfo/KSFO-Twr-Jul-06-2013-1800Z.mp3 They check in at 21:00. They were coming in for 28L
54 n471wn : Yes it will be the first time!!
55 Post contains images CaptainDoony : Very positive news
56 Post contains links srbmod : Interesting photo that a friend on Twitter just retweeted: http://path.com/p/1lwrZb Now if I had just survived a crash, I don't think getting on my ph
57 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Picture of the crash landing itself: http://twitter.com/stefanielaine/status/353591123958173696/photo/1
58 NeutronStar73 : Agreed. This woman is annoyingly stupid. Just proves ones of my professor's statement about modern news media: most are really news readers and not j
59 YXwatcherMKE : The like below has a CBS radio station live reporting on the crash... Hopefully there no lose of life. they are reporting that it is a cargo flight. t
60 LAXintl : Yes the massive diverts commence. KL 747, LH A380 went to OAK. KE 77W to LAX Tons of domestic flights to OAK, SJC and a few to MRY
61 n782nc : Witnesses now reporting a severe tail strike causing the rear section to detach from the rest of the aircraft. They keep saying the plane flipped, but
62 garpd : Anyone else thinking extreme hard landing?[Edited 2013-07-06 12:21:36]
63 threeifbyair : Yikes. Listening to KOAK LiveATC feed - all sorts of planes diverting there. KL (744) and LH (380) have arrived. OAK has customs, at least, so maybe
64 herctech : The reporting on CNN is just grating. They claim they can't identify the airline, or any other iinfo. They should be following this forum so as to pro
65 Post contains links nicholasjet : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFtmSybpuw&feature=youtu.be video
66 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Better pic: http://twitter.com/Eunner[Edited 2013-07-06 12:25:05]
67 AR385 : So far, yes.
68 warden145 : X2!! Are they going to deplane at OAK, or are they going to land at OAK, wait until SFO reopens, then fly over to SFO to deplane? I'm scheduled to pi
69 by738 : Lets get the injured off and the fire out first
70 aerobalance : Don't forget your carry-on luggage now...Incredible
71 mayor : No, the first thing I would do is change my underwear (if possible).
72 Fastphilly : There is a majority of white smoke at this point so the fire must be close to extinguished. According to an eyewitness the tail detached on landing an
73 KarelXWB : There were 290 people on board the airplane. No reports of injuries so far.
74 btfarrwm : Live description from a witness sounds bad...plane cartwheeled after landing, wing broke off first, followed by tail. Did not immediately catch fire.
75 rwy04lga : You can't figure out what he meant???? He's CLEARLY making a reference to the problem BA had with it's RR engines and trying to discount it. Keep cal
76 zrs70 : Are the passengers leaving with their bags (as the photos indicate)?
77 iowaman : SJC diverts including ANA 788, UA 753, and many more. SMF also getting some diverts, US A321, UA 752, AC 320 RNO picking up an AA 738, OO CR2
78 longhauler : I think I probably would get on the phone. I'd rather my loved ones find out about the crash after I tell them I am all right.
79 LanPeru : For an anchor, I believe she is doing a great job. She stated "Three rows of seats" (To me, X-X-X comes to mind), a size able aircraft...she reported
80 pierrelav : The CNN guy ( Richard Quest) is nothing but Jacuzzi journalism. Useless whern it comes to real info.
81 FlySSC : AF084 from CDG diverted to SEA
82 srbmod : The thread here had been up for over a half hour by the time CNN broke the story. The weekend anchors seem to not even be CNN's "B Team". I'm half ex
83 tkukucka : Man what a crash this is the 3 rd hull loss of a 777 in its history feel for the people involved
84 warden145 : Isn't that true of most journalists? I'm using this thread as my primary source of info for this...I trust what people post on here FAR above what a
85 Thomas_Jaeger : The last door is open as well, so that looks like people got off all the way to the back. Let's hope they were all that lucky.[Edited 2013-07-06 12:32
86 N766UA : Holy S no kidding. Your airplane is burning and you stroll off with your roll-aboard?! Sorry, but if you're in front of me in this situation and you'
87 threeifbyair : CNN video showing a ton of fire damage - burned out in most of the forward cabin. Praying that pax could escape before the fire, as impact looks survi
88 Post contains links CO764 : Already a Wikipedia page : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214
89 OzarkD9S : Not bad really, not everyone can be an AvGeek. Of course after to listening to the broadcast for about 5 minutes I hightailed it back to A-net for qu
90 Post contains images Flighty : CNN reader comment suggests "everyone was evacuated." via a sibling at the scene (6 min ago) Let's hope so~~ Edit: ac is reportedly HL 7742: Serial n
91 LAXintl : CX870 744 to OAK SQ16 77W to SMF CA985 744 to LAX AC757 320 to OAK Lots of shorthaul flights turning back to points of origin.
92 RayChuang : I do know that SFO's crash and rescue operations responded very quickly to this accident. Unfortunately, given the fact the plane did flip over, there
93 warreng24 : Absolutely amazing how calm and professional SFO Tower, the QX, and the OO pilots (who are both on short final) sound. Kudos to them. Thoughts and pr
94 Post contains links and images OA260 :
95 threeifbyair : Nearest station with DL equipment to serve widebodies, I guess. AF084 was well into Oregon (and therefore beyond SEA) when it turned around but only
96 Navion : Registration is HL7742.
97 Post contains links CO764 : Apparently, the airport will be closed for the next "couple of hours" http://rt.com/usa/plane-san-francisco-fire-748/
98 UK_Dispatcher : It looks like door R2 was blocked by an engine and that doors L4/R4 were not used. I can't believe there are people with trolley bags in the photos! I
99 usscvr : Foxnews just showed better images. Tail separated just aft of pressure bulkhead. Wings still attached. Fire has take out almost half of the top of the
100 heysfo : Video https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw
101 Post contains links and images KarelXWB :
102 ThomasCook : From doors 3 forward the fuselage looks to have been decimated by fire. Seems like L4 has been ripped off and the left and right engines have sheared
103 nycdave : Could that really have flipped/cartwheeled? nose is undamaged, and initial photos show the roofline mostly intact (later photos show fire damage throu
104 Post contains images KarelXWB :
105 timboflier215 : How often to tail strikes occur on landing? Tail strikes on take off seem far more common. Hope everyone is OK - completely shocking.
106 KarelXWB : It did not flip.
107 Post contains links and images OA260 : . .
108 NDiesel : Hi guys, I work for CNN and we're watching this thread closely now. Keep the information coming should you have any. Best, Mike
109 Post contains links and images 727LOVER : View Large View MediumPhoto © Sergey Rimsha Here's the most recent pic on a.net. Why does CNN's Richard Quest keep saying it is a -200 LR?? I have th
110 airbusa346 : Surely if it flipped and ended up back on its belly, then the wings would be detacted and more fuselarge brackages.
111 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Wow, it almost completely burned down.
112 by738 : Amazing that we are seeing these images so quickly due to the immense power of media, social media and mobile phones. Damage looks worse in the later
113 Post contains links mach2is2slowaz : Sorry if it has already been posted but live feed from over head. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...n-francisco-airport?lite&gt1=43001 Prayer
114 richierich : Second hull loss of a B777 - but this is secondary to the injured and possibly fatally injured. Seems to me that: - The plane obviously suffered a sev
115 USAIRWAYS321 : I won't pretend to know much about the construction of the 777, but just looking at the pictures I'm astounded how cleanly the tail section broke off.
116 RDUDDJI : It's amazing to me the things that CNN is reporting. They're reporting that it "cartwheeled", the "wings broke off". All of this while they are showin
117 nicholasjet : Looking at the SkyNews broadcast, and the video footage.... it looks like a wheel caught the sea wall at the start of the runway/stopway/clearway area
118 airbusa346 : Tail is just before the threshold.
119 KarelXWB : Good thing that the aft section did not break. That would have been worse.
120 UK_Dispatcher : From the debris it looks like it landed short of the threshold, as did the BA B772 a few years ago.[Edited 2013-07-06 12:49:08]
121 whiteguy : Looks like the aircraft hit the end of the runway by the water. Landed well short!
122 threeifbyair : Do we know it flipped? Not a physicist or engineer, but I can't figure out how it could "flip" and then end up right side up. The wings appear to be
123 PA110 : From video being shown now on KTVU, looks like tail may have struck seawall at beginning of runway. Debris is scattered along threshold. looks like ho
124 nutsaboutplanes : They just showed the "impact point" at the runway threshhold. The horizontal stabilizers and the vertical stabilizer are on the runway with a trail of
125 Thomas_Jaeger : Asiana does not have any B777-200(LR)s. This is a B777-28E(ER), delivered to Asiana on March 3, 2006. One out of twelve they have in their fleet. May
126 at777 : Looks as though the landing gear clipped the edge of the runway that mets the water. Image just from CNN.
127 packcheer : The picture they just showed on ABC news looks like the tail hit the sea wall short of the threshold. The stabilizers are sitting on the runway still
128 aerobalance : Viewing TV, looks like the aircraft struck the sea wall before the runway, landed short? Why?
129 xaapb : Dont know but as far as I know Asiana dosent have -200LR right? amazing people took there time to take out their stuff from the overhead bins! Hope e
130 usscvr : Debris well before the piano keys. Looks like it landed short.
131 Post contains links and images OA260 :
132 by738 : Looks like heavy bounce and slide damage to me
133 Norcal773 : Looking at pics on CNN, debris started way before the threshold right on the edge of the water before runway started. Speculation of course but that s
134 SeeTheWorld : This plane did not cartwheel.... People need to stop reporting that .... My guess is that everyone got out of this airplane with just minor injuries .
135 concordski : Looking at the live footage on CNN after the crash, it looks like the aircraft hit the ground right where the edge of the airport property meets the w
136 kdhurst380 : You're a news broadcaster taking information from an enthusiasts forum merely speculating on what's happened?
137 rwy04lga : The picture of the plane on Wikipedia has 'Extended Range' painted on the rear fuselage, just aft of L4 door. So, is it a LR or ER?
138 srbmod : Fox News has dug up some former NTSB investigator that sounds like he last worked a crash about 30 years ago and isn't anywhere near a TV or computer.
139 Post contains images KarelXWB :
140 nutsaboutplanes : WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF? The reporting on CNN has been absolutely ridiculous. They would do much better po
141 airbusa346 : ER
142 Post contains images Birdwatching : I've always wondered: how is customs and immigration handled after a crash like this? Will the passengers be brought to immigration from the crash sit
143 Thomas_Jaeger : (ER).
144 jetblueguy22 : Anyone else think he got slow and just had an abnormal sink rate. It looks like the debris field starts way short of the normal touchdown zone. Hits t
145 Post contains links lppr95 : Reminds me of BA38 a few years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38
146 bioyuki : It looks like only two slides deployed...what's the evacuation rate/door for a 772?
147 nicholasjet : I don't think it was the tail that hit the sea wall, the damage is off the centre line, it would have been the starboard nacelle, gear or trailing edg
148 warreng24 : From the Live ATC audio and other information, it appears that the UA 744 in the picture is UA885 waiting for 28R. It appears they witnessed it and e
149 airplanebrain : The video of the seawall and the debris is very telling. That runway will be closed for a while as they analyze the debris field. This appears to be t
150 Post contains links KarelXWB : Asiana Airlines doesn't have any LRs, only ERs. Check http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Asiana%20Airlines-active-b777.htm
151 xaapb : 777-200ER Asiana dosent have LR series.
152 captainstefan : Eyewitnesses saying it flipped remind me of UA 232 at SUX. It most likely did not flip; but at one point during the loss of control a wing or the empe
153 Post contains images FighterPilot : Hopefully everyone is ok. I'm hoping that by the reports and pictures of passengers snapping pictures and taking their carry on while evacuating means
154 Post contains links mingocr83 : http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/ktvu-live-news/vtSfR/?updated Streaming Live from SFO TV Stations..
155 RayChuang : One question that needs to be asked now: was there any wind shear warnings issued by the SFO tower any time within one hour before the crash? It looks
156 NDiesel : We're all speculating. We don't confirm it.
157 USAIRWAYS321 : Can anyone link an image of the seawall impact that's being discussed? I don't have TV access right now.
158 N766UA : If pax are toting their carry-ons off the airplane, I'd wager everyone made it off okay. Looks like everything aft of the pressure bulkhead was deposi
159 Norcal773 : In that case, get this presenter off the air coz she's just making it worse and making a fool of herself! He's wrong and you have the right plane. As
160 KarelXWB : Would you hire an aviation expert for just 2 or 3 crashes a year?
161 wroord : ABC News live coverage says that the plane was landing at an abnormal angle with the nose up and it hit the runway so hard that the tail broke off. No
162 LLA001 : Where is the flight recorder located at 777 ? if it is near tail section that ripped off, it might be damaged beyond use?
163 Flighty : Flightaware and similar systems call it an 777-200LR. However that is WRONG. My post above stating 'allegedly LR' was wrong. It is a actually a Pratt
164 OA260 : Passengers : 290 Infant 1 Crew : 12 onboard according to Sky News.
165 ogre727 : Too early, but it does look like the london crash to me.
166 Post contains links GARUDAROD : live feed ktvu.com http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/ktvu-live-news/vtSfR/?updated
167 SInGAPORE_AIR : 22 minutes onwards. Wow.
168 threeifbyair : That would be consistent with what everything else CNN is showing. I have not seen that feed in the USA. Where is the empennage? Awful big piece that
169 gulfstream650 : Reassuring that the tail broke aft of the pressure dome. Fingers crossed!!!
170 OzarkD9S : There are quite a few people on here who know their stuff. A valuable resource, not the ONLY resource. It can be frustrating for the enthusiast who k
171 oc2dc : I'm listening to San Francisco FD/EMS , they are staring a water search via boat and helicopter. I'm not sure if they are looking for additional victi
172 Post contains links MKEdude : So far no mention on the website, no contact info for families. According to OZ nothing unusual has occurred. Someone over there needs to get their ac
173 jetblueguy22 : It's Saturday, I doubt they have experts sitting around everyday just in the rare case a plane crashes. I couldn't find anything to say that there wa
174 Post contains images RDUDDJI : That's why you pay a retainer and have someone on call. However, as much as American's love to complain about flying, you probably could justify a po
175 illinicmi : Not sure exactly, but generally towards the tail. Anything is possible, but I'm guessing this impact is "minor" compared to what it is designed to su
176 Thomas_Jaeger : Yes, PW4090 according to our database.
177 rwy04lga : I didn't think they had LR's, but CNN kept saying LR. I was perplexed.
178 SeeTheWorld : Definitely looks like it landed short and hit the rocks ....
179 flightsimer : I agree Karel. No way that flipped having the wings and everything in such good condition, relatively speaking. It looks like the photos being shown a
180 srbmod : I bet CNN wishes that they wouldn't have disbanded their science and technology unit, as Miles O'Brien was their go-to guy for events like this and h
181 aerobalance : You're light, favorable winds and wx, a long runway in front of you, you land short. Why? What the hell.
182 Post contains links KarelXWB : "At this time, we have no fatalities, one critical already airlifted and at San Fran General." http://twitter.com/SoCalEMSFire/status/3535996740972052
183 WNwatcher : Anyone else notice that Number 1 engine isn't visible on any shots?
184 Snowjob : I love (to the point of tears) how CNN puts text up "Witness: Wing Broke off" while right above we're looking at live video of the wreckage with both
185 Post contains images PZ : Looks like one of the main landing gears hit the wall...[Edited 2013-07-06 12:56:51]
186 TrnsWrld : Holy crap that thing missed the runway short. Hope everyone is ok so far that fuselage looks intact besides from the fire.
187 avek00 : I won't dare begin to speculate on what happened in San Francisco today, but I can't help but think back to July 1st, when my United flight (and many
188 cuban8 : Maybe we shouldn't take fast conclusions as to what happened, but I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up as a pilot error (as in almost every case).
189 threeifbyair : Debris in the water from CNN feed. Has to have impacted something either very hard (high sink rate) or short of the runway. No other way something end
190 Post contains images nycdave : Or a raise! I hear they could use those... Money, money, money, money. With CNN eliminating their investigative reporting staff, the Chicago Sun-Time
191 Scipio : Third hull loss. An Egyptair 777 was written off after suffering a cockpit fire on the ground at Cairo Airport, on July 29, 2011. There were no injur
192 mesaflyguy : ABC news is saying it looks like many passengers survived.
193 Post contains images Miami : My thoughts and prayers go out to the injured. It looks like the landing gear hit the sea wall entering SFO.. It's quite strange how passengers say th
194 Thomas_Jaeger : Found that on Flyertalk from months ago, that explains why GDSs and Flightradar24 show B777-200(LR) decoded from 77L: "New Asiana = 77L or 77W under
195 Geo772 : They are located above the rear galley. So once the risk of any further fire has gone they should be easily retrieved.
196 us330 : That same account says all 303 persons on board were accounted for about 35 minutes ago.
197 jetblueguy22 : Things happen unfortunately. I'm not sure what the set up is at SFO but maybe landing short makes the taxi to the terminal quicker? I'm not trying to
198 dispatchguy : The ILS 28R was out of service !FDC 3/3512 SFO FI/T IAP SAN FRANCISCO INTL, SAN FRANCISCO, CA. ILS OR LOC Z RWY 28R, AMDT 11A... ILS RWY 28R CAT II&am
199 goomba : Landing gear impacted the sea wall and aircraft pitched high to rip tail off. Pilot wasn't even near the piano keys...landed way short. Not making acc
200 onetogo : Hearing a very detailed eyewitness account of the plane landing with a massively too high pitch attitude, landed tail first. Configuration (flaps) and
201 by738 : A lot of other debris right at the end of runway just for it to have been a landing gear
202 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : And that's why an airplane must be evacuated within 90 seconds:
203 rwy04lga : I wonder if someone was filming the landing. Perhaps we'll see it on YouTube soon.
204 Boeing717200 : Clearly landed short/tail strike of some sort. The question will be why. Massive debris field and tire skid marks on the runway can be seen in the aer
205 Post contains links and images srbmod : Case in point, China Airlines (operated by Mandarin) 642: View Large View MediumPhoto © Eric Hoe I think it's in the water, as one angle being shown
206 Silver1SWA : They do speak to experts, but they are very selective with what they hear and twist the experts words to make it sound more dramatic. I've been watch
207 RDUDDJI : Let's hope that's true. It's surely better than what's on CNN. They're still reporting that "the wings broke off", which obviously isn't true looking
208 aerobalance : "Things happen unfortunately. I'm not sure what the set up is at SFO but maybe landing short makes the taxi to the terminal quicker?" _______________
209 denverdanny : It looks like the separated no 2 engine blocked one of the exits and may have caused a fire at that point, though probably not the only fire. Hopefull
210 RDUDDJI : Now that they're showing the video of the RWY threshold and the area before it, I would tend to agree. However, it's way too early to tell what the r
211 Post contains links ferminbrif : here's a link from USA TODAY.......... http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...rline-crash-san-francisco/2495099/ mu deepest condolence for the victims
212 727LOVER : The UA 744 that was sitting out there waiting to depart. I assume those pilots will be critical witnesses in the investigation.
213 Post contains images KarelXWB : Impressive...
214 FATFlyer : Report of 21 commercial flight diversions to SJC so far with 10 more expected.
215 Miami : What runways are currently in use? Or is the airport fully closed at the moment? I was actually watching a YouTube video about BA Flight 38 yesterday.
216 Post contains images nycdave : Can you link the source? Might help some of our observers If so, looks like poss pilot error -- came in way short on visual, either main gear strike
217 wroord : Correct. The media coverage adds sensationalism, both ABC and NBC talking about the plane cartwheeling instead of focusing on people - heartless.
218 CO764 : I just noticed a trivial coincidence : The reg of the 777, HL7742, is rather similar to that of the KE 742 (HL7442) that was shot down over Russia in
219 OA260 : Scary would be the more appropriate word.
220 Post contains images KarelXWB : Another view:
221 rising : Waiting to hear from Asiana and Boeing..... Probably will be able to provide more accurate information than all the speculation and Twitter fueled con
222 KarelXWB : The NTSB is already on its way.
223 flightsimer : Fox news just reported an eyewitness as saying "The plane was teetering as it was coming in and the tail hit the runway first with the nose much highe
224 ogre727 : Spanish paper reporting it was an emergency landing but no details.
225 gulfstream650 : Hold your horses. There are no confirmed fatalities - only one passenger who was airlifted to hospital in a critical condition. Fingers crossed.
226 jetblueguy22 : The PAPI isn't NOTAM'd as out of service so I would think it's active, but as I don't exactly fly in there I can't be sure. Well the coverage isn't m
227 usflyer msp : I hope this wasn't another manifestation of poor CRM at a Korean carrier. I don't see how the PIC could be coming in so short and the other pilot not
228 PSA53 : I won't rule that out.The plane looked like it was way short of runway. My prayers that positive reports are true that everyone got off.[Edited 2013-
229 Post contains images threeifbyair : The NTSB is extremely busy right now: 3 major train derailments (Missouri, Baltimore, and Connecticut), a bridge collapse (Washington), and now a majo
230 jporterfi : Where are you getting the information about future diversions?
231 aerobalance : Hoping for the best!
232 drmlnr1 : From what it looks like from the images I have seen, the tail hit the seawall before 28L, causing the tail to seperate, and debris to be spread everyw
233 dispatchguy : Now KSFO is closed to all further inbounds: !SFO 07/045 SFO AD AIRPORT CLSD WEF 1307062010 As of 5 minutes ago. https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov
234 gulfstream650 : How can these witnesses say - "the left wing broke off, then the right wing broke off" - I'm looking at two attached wings. Where do they find these p
235 wingflex744 : Source CNN: It seems that US Coast Guard has found a body... Condolences to the families, but I still hope this is not true...
236 FATFlyer : I'm listening to the internet feed from KCBS-AM in the Bay Area. They were interviewing a spokeswoman from SJC.
237 PA110 : Not sure how this is a factor. Debris pattern is consistent with landing on 28L, not 28R.
238 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Investors? No. People assume journalism should be free, and you know how many experts you can hire when people refuse to pay for news? Not too many
239 Post contains images WesternDC6B : Yes. Because THIS... is CNN!
240 Post contains images Miami : The FAA has said all SFO flights are canceled due to plane crash. Twitter is blowing up. A lot of people are saying that OZ was coming from Taipei.
241 Post contains links mjoelnir : http://avherald.com/h?article=464ef64f&opt=0
242 ChrisNH : Before we excoriate the crew for landing short, if they had the 'auto-land' on, that was a computer problem. Lots to sort out here.
243 Miami : Boeing released a short statement on Twitter. "Our thoughts are with everyone affected by today's incident at SFO. We stand ready to assist the NTSB"
244 nra-3b : Actually it appears to me from the helicopter footage on FOX that the right MLG hit the sea wall and ripped along the right lower fuselage to the tail
245 Post contains links moderators : This thread has become long so Part 2 has been established to continue the conversation. It can be found at this link OZ 777 Crash At SFO Part 2 (by m
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