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OZ 777 Crash At SFO Part 1  
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1865 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698508 times:
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An OZ 777 just crashed off the end of runway 28R at SFO. Details to come

Please continue discussion at OZ 777 Crash At SFO Part 2 (by moderators Jul 6 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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[Edited 2013-07-06 17:21:50 by moderators]


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User currently onlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 699320 times:

There is no OZ 777 departing this early. However it may have been on arrival. Everything at SFO is going around currently


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently onlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 699601 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3006 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698721 times:
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Aircraft should be HL7742. I'm shaking right now...


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User currently onlineSIA747Megatop From Singapore, joined Apr 2012, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698438 times:

Was this a runway excursion or an actual "crash?"


Would you like fries with that? I didn't think so.
User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698481 times:

Can't find the reg on Flightradar24... Since it crashed off 28R is it in the bay?

EDIT : Seems like the reg was already found... Sorry.

[Edited 2013-07-06 11:44:23]


http://flightdiary.net/CO764. Next Flights: JFK - ARN - ORY.
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3006 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698875 times:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/kristaseiden/status/353583157355880448/photo/1

Looks bad...



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User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698268 times:

Looks pretty bad with thick black smoke plumes in pictures on twitter



User currently onlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698090 times:

I just confirmed there is a crash on the approach end of the 28's. The plane is broken in multiple pieces. It appeared to the controller I spoke with that it was a hard landing and the tail is yards away from the body of the aircraft. It was possible a short landing or hard touchdown.


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 697481 times:

FAA advisory out says "DISABLED AIRCRAFT".


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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 986 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 696888 times:

there is nothing on any of the SFO area tv stations. where did you get your information from?


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlineual757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 697154 times:

Oh my god. I saw this on my friend's Facebook page. I hope everyone gets out okay, I'm shaking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kristaseiden?p=s

Here's the twitter page I'm finding pics on...


User currently offlinezalemam From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698083 times:

Two more images...from twitter






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User currently onlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 696399 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 10):

I got the info from Ramp Tower I use to supervise. Crash confirmed. Tragic



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 695512 times:

Wow. Hope everyone is okay.

Leo/ORD



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1865 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 695559 times:
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SFO Airport is currently closed the flight was OZ214


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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 695553 times:

Current weather:

SFO 061756Z WINDS 210 @ 6, VIS 10SM, FEW016, TEMPS 18/10, ALT 29.82.

Is SFO closed?



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User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 695658 times:

Looks like majority of fuselage is intact. Nose looks to have snapped off with tail nowhere to be seen. Hopefully most of pax and crew have survived but wouldn't be surprised if there are some fatalities up front.

User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 694435 times:

That looks real bad, hope everyone is ok

Karan


User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 694416 times:

Wow! Wx is severe clear. What the hell happened? Hoping the best for those on board.


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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8468 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 693090 times:

Asiana ICN (Seoul) to SFO and is allegedly a 777-200LR.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26906 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 693727 times:

Looks bad !!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2781 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 693194 times:
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NYCAviation is reporting fuel problems. Perhaps fuel exhaustion?
Pat



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 693695 times:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOgxkLYCAAALk5s.png:large

http://twitter.com/AerospaceInfo/status/353587068343025665/photo/1



Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlinej8 From St. Vincent and the Grenadines, joined Mar 2013, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 691902 times:

Hoping for the best for all...

User currently offlineFastphilly From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 700952 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFtmSybpuw&feature=youtu.be

User currently offlinekaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 739 posts, RR: 12
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698502 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
Looks bad !!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw
Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
NYCAviation is reporting fuel problems. Perhaps fuel exhaustion?
Pat

Actually looks better than I thought. Fuselage seems intact although tail is missing. Kinda reminds me of the BA038 crash, but I don't know if OZ 777s are equipped with RR engines.



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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 708393 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):

That's a good sight to see, bad enough but could be worse.

Edit: after viewing for pictures it looks bad for rear of the aircraft. Such a shame.

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:13:56]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 704912 times:

Quoting kaneporta1 (Reply 26):
but I don't know if OZ 777s are equipped with RR engines.

The whole 777 fleet has PW4090 engines.



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User currently offlineraggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 705533 times:

Looks bad, hopefully no fatalities... I fear the 777's perfect safety record has been broken.

OZ's 777 fleet are all 77E, PW engines.



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User currently offlinebluewhale18210 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 704838 times:

Airport is closed until further notice...
And yeah, looks like it's severe clear out there...

SFO ATIS INFO N 1756Z.
21006KT 10SM FEW016 18/10 A2982 (TWO NINER EIGHT TWO).
LNDG RWYS 28L.
DEPG RWYS 1L, 1R.
NOTAMS...
ARPT CLSD, UFA.
RY 28R, 28L GS OTS, RY 28R, 28L ALS OTS.
GATEHOLD PROCEDURES IN EFCT, ALL A/C CTC GH 124.25 WHEN READY FOR ENG START OR PB.
READBACK OF ALL RWY HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS IS REQUIRED.
ALL ACFT ARE RQRD TO INCL ACFT CLSGN IN ALL RDBKS AND ACKMTS.
...ADVS YOU HAVE INFO N.

At least some got out it looks like. I saw escape slides deployed from doors 1L and 2L.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 704338 times:

Quoting kaneporta1 (Reply 26):
but I don't know if OZ 777s are equipped with RR engines.

This plane has/had Pratt & Whitneys if its a 772ER.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2292 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 703072 times:

Quoting kaneporta1 (Reply 26):
Kinda reminds me of the BA038 crash, but I don't know if OZ 777s are equipped with RR engines.

Yes that was what I was thinking. An intact fuselage is hopefully a good sign. The 772 is certainly powered by PW
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=awmKRglUX_Zc


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8524 posts, RR: 54
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 702683 times:
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At leas there are some chutes deployed, indicated people got out.

Quoting kaneporta1 (Reply 26):
Kinda reminds me of the BA038 crash, but I don't know if OZ 777s are equipped with RR engines.

- What's that supposed to mean? - You saying only RR 777's crash?



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 703159 times:

Here's the first media account I could find......I don't understand the part about the plane coming to a rest, "upside down".....looks right side up, to me.......


http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/...7-crashes-while-landing-sfo/nYfcx/



KTVU.com



A plane crashed while landing at San Francisco International Airport Saturday morning after its tail came off while it was touching down on the runway.

According to a witness, around 11:20 a.m. the plane was just about to land -- its landing gear had come down -- when the tail of the plane came off.

After wobbling for a minute, the aircraft flipped upside down, coming to a stop on runway on it's back.

The plane, reportedly a Boeing 777, was coming from South Korea, according to flight tracking information.



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User currently offline9lflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 700514 times:

From the video, it looks like the fire has not reached the cabin, it looks to be behind the aircraft, maybe where the tail section is. and I see slides deployed so an evacuation has occurred. Lets hope for the best. Looks awfully similar to the BA LHR incident.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 700437 times:

Quoting raggi (Reply 29):
I fear the 777's perfect safety record has been broken.

This is not the first 777 crash.



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User currently onlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 697941 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):
This is not the first 777 crash.

I think he meant in terms of fatalities.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 697913 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):
This is not the first 777 crash.

I'm sure he's referring to the lack of fatal 777 crashes.



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 795 posts, RR: 8
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698417 times:

Lufthansa A380 LH454 diverting to Oakland now.


A380 Crew
User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 698503 times:

Where is the rest of the plane? Hard to see from the CNN feed but I only see part of it.

Incredibly stupid reporting by the CNN anchor right now, btw.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 699332 times:

Update: crews report 48 patients have been rescued so far after 777 crashes on landing. Passengers still on burning plane.


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 696429 times:

How long does it take to reopen an airport after an incident like this, I'm on a flight to SFO with my family on Monday?

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 696326 times:

CNN is just now reporting it. It's pretty bad that it took them over a half hour after it happened to first report it. Just shows you how social media breaks news in a more efficient manner than mainstream media.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26906 posts, RR: 58
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 695714 times:

Sky News reporting it now news.sky.com but only a ticker at the bottom of the screen ''Breaking News''. I guess they are awaiting more information.

User currently offlineNeutronStar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 695928 times:

That is a testament to Boeing's design. The aircraft looks to be relatively intact. Hope all aboard are okay

User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 695887 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 39):

Lufthansa A380 LH454 diverting to Oakland now.

First time an A380 lands in OAK?



http://flightdiary.net/CO764. Next Flights: JFK - ARN - ORY.
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 693963 times:

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 40):
Incredibly stupid reporting by the CNN anchor right now, btw.

Yeah:

"The 777 is a plane that normally has 3 rows."

"it's unclear whether any passengers were on board."

Facepalm :F



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User currently offlineraggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 693167 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):

No fatal 777 crash yet, hopefully that is still true after today.



Stick & Rudder
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 693117 times:

Picture from the other side:

http://twitter.com/navarrobryan/status/353589030849503233/photo/1



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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1999 posts, RR: 23
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 690537 times:
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Watching local KTVU ch2 right now. Reporting tail strike on landing with tail section breaking off.


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User currently offlinecuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 690563 times:

Seems like a bad accident. In most of the time, the front of the airplane gets the worst damage, but in this case I'm wondering what happened to the whole tail section. I hope no fatalities......just worried about the passengers in the aft.

User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2781 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 689759 times:
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I just listened to the LiveATC archive and I don't think it was fuel exhaustion. There seemed to be no indications of issues prior to the landing. Though that is just armchair crash investigation. Kudos to SFO tower for being so professional during the whole event. The Captain even came on post crash and was speaking to tower. My prayers go out to the people on board.
Pat



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User currently offlinefreeze3192 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 690224 times:

LiveATC SFO:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ksfo/KSFO-Twr-Jul-06-2013-1800Z.mp3

They check in at 21:00. They were coming in for 28L



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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1526 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 684820 times:
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Quoting CO764 (Reply 46):
First time an A380 lands in OAK?

Yes it will be the first time!!


User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 686051 times:



Very positive news


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Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 687116 times:

Interesting photo that a friend on Twitter just retweeted:

http://path.com/p/1lwrZb

Now if I had just survived a crash, I don't think getting on my phone would be my first thing to do once I got out of the plane.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 689152 times:

Picture of the crash landing itself:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOg1QPuCEAA8spW.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/stefanielaine/status/353591123958173696/photo/1



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User currently offlineNeutronStar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 685792 times:

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 40):

Agreed. This woman is annoyingly stupid. Just proves ones of my professor's statement about modern news media: most are really news readers and not journalists, so if something isn't put in front of them ready to go, they will flail around completely clueless


User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 986 posts, RR: 2
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 684418 times:

The like below has a CBS radio station live reporting on the crash... Hopefully there no lose of life. they are reporting that it is a cargo flight. two hour ground stop.
Well now they are backing out of the idea that it was a cargo flight. and a witness statement that the plane was out of control on approach to 28L.

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:31:56]


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 681900 times:

Yes the massive diverts commence.

KL 747, LH A380 went to OAK.
KE 77W to LAX

Tons of domestic flights to OAK, SJC and a few to MRY



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User currently offlinen782nc From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 682134 times:

Witnesses now reporting a severe tail strike causing the rear section to detach from the rest of the aircraft. They keep saying the plane flipped, but the pictures posted here show it right side up...


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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 681126 times:

Anyone else thinking extreme hard landing?

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:21:36]


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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 681531 times:

Quoting PA110 (Reply 50):
Reporting tail strike on landing with tail section breaking off.

Yikes.

Listening to KOAK LiveATC feed - all sorts of planes diverting there. KL (744) and LH (380) have arrived. OAK has customs, at least, so maybe people can actually get off there.


User currently offlineherctech From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 681638 times:

The reporting on CNN is just grating. They claim they can't identify the airline, or any other iinfo. They should be following this forum so as to provide more accurate information.

Edit: seems they are finally catching up

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:24:05]

User currently offlinenicholasjet From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 682444 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFtmSybpuw&feature=youtu.be

video


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 681621 times:

Better pic:


http://twitter.com/Eunner

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:25:05]


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6176 posts, RR: 30
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 678263 times:
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Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 33):
You saying only RR 777's crash?

So far, yes.



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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 678541 times:

Quoting j8 (Reply 24):
Hoping for the best for all...

X2!!

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 39):
Lufthansa A380 LH454 diverting to Oakland now.

Are they going to deplane at OAK, or are they going to land at OAK, wait until SFO reopens, then fly over to SFO to deplane?

I'm scheduled to pick up clients on UA 902 FRA-SFO this afternoon. I'm guessing that they're going to do something similar (either into OAK or SJC)?



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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2292 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 675343 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 42):

Lets get the injured off and the fire out first


User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 675846 times:

Quoting CaptainDoony (Reply 55):

Don't forget your carry-on luggage now...Incredible



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 675169 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 56):
Now if I had just survived a crash, I don't think getting on my phone would be my first thing to do once I got out of the plane.

No, the first thing I would do is change my underwear (if possible).



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineFastphilly From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 675124 times:

There is a majority of white smoke at this point so the fire must be close to extinguished. According to an eyewitness the tail detached on landing and the plane flipped over.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 675157 times:

There were 290 people on board the airplane. No reports of injuries so far.


Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlinebtfarrwm From United States of America, joined May 2011, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 673273 times:

Live description from a witness sounds bad...plane cartwheeled after landing, wing broke off first, followed by tail. Did not immediately catch fire.

User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 673014 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 33):
What's that supposed to mean? - You saying only RR 777's crash?

You can't figure out what he meant???? He's CLEARLY making a reference to the problem BA had with it's RR engines and trying to discount it. Keep calm and grow up!



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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3164 posts, RR: 9
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 672798 times:

Are the passengers leaving with their bags (as the photos indicate)?


14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 671607 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 61):
Yes the massive diverts commence.

KL 747, LH A380 went to OAK.
KE 77W to LAX

Tons of domestic flights to OAK, SJC and a few to MRY

SJC diverts including ANA 788, UA 753, and many more.

SMF also getting some diverts, US A321, UA 752, AC 320

RNO picking up an AA 738, OO CR2



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4923 posts, RR: 43
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 671222 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 56):
Now if I had just survived a crash, I don't think getting on my phone would be my first thing to do once I got out of the plane.

I think I probably would get on the phone. I'd rather my loved ones find out about the crash after I tell them I am all right.



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User currently offlineLanPeru From Peru, joined Jun 2001, 645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 668768 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 40):
Incredibly stupid reporting by the CNN anchor right now, btw.

Yeah:

"The 777 is a plane that normally has 3 rows."

"it's unclear whether any passengers were on board."

Facepalm :F

For an anchor, I believe she is doing a great job. She stated "Three rows of seats" (To me, X-X-X comes to mind), a size able aircraft...she reported that it came from "South Korea", and how SFO-ICN-SFO is a busy route

Welcome to the real-world.

I hope that people are ok, I always think of elderly and young children/infants when it comes to these crashed...they aren't always as mobile, able or aware of what to do.


User currently offlinepierrelav From Brazil, joined Mar 2011, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 668432 times:

The CNN guy ( Richard Quest) is nothing but Jacuzzi journalism. Useless whern it comes to real info.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 665372 times:

AF084 from CDG diverted to SEA

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 665449 times:

Quoting herctech (Reply 65):
The reporting on CNN is just grating. They claim they can't identify the airline, or any other iinfo. They should be following this forum so as to provide more accurate information.

The thread here had been up for over a half hour by the time CNN broke the story. The weekend anchors seem to not even be CNN's "B Team". I'm half expecting notorious news prankster Captain Janks to prank CNN, as he has done in the past because of the folks at CNN are often slow on the uptake. I ended up turning over to Fox News because they seem to be a bit more competent in their reporting.


User currently offlinetkukucka From Australia, joined Apr 2013, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 665511 times:

Man what a crash this is the 3 rd hull loss of a 777 in its history feel for the people involved

User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 665251 times:

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 81):
The CNN guy ( Richard Quest) is nothing but Jacuzzi journalism. Useless whern it comes to real info.

Isn't that true of most journalists?

I'm using this thread as my primary source of info for this...I trust what people post on here FAR above what a news-reader says...



ETOPS = Engine Turns Off, Passengers Swim
User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2382 posts, RR: 28
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 665451 times:

The last door is open as well, so that looks like people got off all the way to the back. Let's hope they were all that lucky.

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:32:17]


Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8227 posts, RR: 23
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 666090 times:

Quoting aerobalance (Reply 71):
Don't forget your carry-on luggage now...Incredible

Holy S no kidding. Your airplane is burning and you stroll off with your roll-aboard?! Sorry, but if you're in front of me in this situation and you're reaching for the overhead, I'm not responsible for the broken nose and pelvis that result from me "removing" you from my path.



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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 665431 times:

CNN video showing a ton of fire damage - burned out in most of the forward cabin. Praying that pax could escape before the fire, as impact looks survivable.

User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 666067 times:

Already a Wikipedia page :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214



http://flightdiary.net/CO764. Next Flights: JFK - ARN - ORY.
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5048 posts, RR: 21
Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 665297 times:

Quoting LanPeru (Reply 80):


For an anchor, I believe she is doing a great job.

Not bad really, not everyone can be an AvGeek. Of course after to listening to the broadcast for about 5 minutes I hightailed it back to A-net for quicker, more accurate info.

So glad to see people walking away from that....



Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8468 posts, RR: 2
Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 665801 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 72):
No, the first thing I would do is change my underwear (if possible).

  


CNN reader comment suggests "everyone was evacuated." via a sibling at the scene (6 min ago)

Let's hope so~~

Edit: ac is reportedly HL 7742:

Serial number 29171 LN:553
Type 777-28EER
First flight date 25/02/2006
Plane age 7.4 years
Engines 2 x PW PW4090

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:37:45]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 91, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 665310 times:

CX870 744 to OAK
SQ16 77W to SMF
CA985 744 to LAX
AC757 320 to OAK

Lots of shorthaul flights turning back to points of origin.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 92, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 662659 times:

I do know that SFO's crash and rescue operations responded very quickly to this accident.

Unfortunately, given the fact the plane did flip over, there is going to be a casualty count, especially if you note a very visible crack near the center of the plane. Given most of the fuselage stayed intact, let's just hope the count is low.


User currently offlinewarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 660660 times:

Quoting freeze3192 (Reply 53):
LiveATC SFO:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ksfo/KSFO-Twr-Jul-06-2013-1800Z.mp3

They check in at 21:00. They were coming in for 28L

Absolutely amazing how calm and professional SFO Tower, the QX, and the OO pilots (who are both on short final) sound. Kudos to them.

Thoughts and prayers with those on the OZ flight.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26906 posts, RR: 58
Reply 94, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 659958 times:

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/photo-15_zps29db2697.jpg

User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 659659 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 82):
AF084 from CDG diverted to SEA

Nearest station with DL equipment to serve widebodies, I guess. AF084 was well into Oregon (and therefore beyond SEA) when it turned around but only SEA and SLC fit the bill as far as major DL stations with appropriate equipment.


User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1012 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 659117 times:

Registration is HL7742.

User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 659335 times:

Apparently, the airport will be closed for the next "couple of hours"

http://rt.com/usa/plane-san-francisco-fire-748/



http://flightdiary.net/CO764. Next Flights: JFK - ARN - ORY.
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2593 posts, RR: 30
Reply 98, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 659667 times:

It looks like door R2 was blocked by an engine and that doors L4/R4 were not used.

I can't believe there are people with trolley bags in the photos! I would go mad if someone stood up and opened the overhead locker in front of me instead of evacuating immediately. I guess that might suggest that there was not much panic, so let's hope everyone got out.


User currently offlineusscvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 660080 times:

Foxnews just showed better images. Tail separated just aft of pressure bulkhead. Wings still attached. Fire has take out almost half of the top of the aircraft. If all made it out, they are very fortunate. Prayers to all.

User currently offlineheysfo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 660738 times:

Video

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 101, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 659800 times:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOg6-YrCUAAW_4C.jpg:large


Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 795 posts, RR: 8
Reply 102, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 658473 times:

From doors 3 forward the fuselage looks to have been decimated by fire. Seems like L4 has been ripped off and the left and right engines have sheared off. The tail seems to have broken away around the area of the aft pressure bulkhead.


A380 Crew
User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 658161 times:

Could that really have flipped/cartwheeled? nose is undamaged, and initial photos show the roofline mostly intact (later photos show fire damage through the roof)...

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 104, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 658587 times:




Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1334 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 655348 times:

How often to tail strikes occur on landing? Tail strikes on take off seem far more common. Hope everyone is OK - completely shocking.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 106, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 654958 times:

Quoting nycdave (Reply 103):
Could that really have flipped/cartwheeled? nose is undamaged, and initial photos show the roofline mostly intact (later photos show fire damage through the roof)...

It did not flip.



Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26906 posts, RR: 58
Reply 107, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 655621 times:


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User currently offlineNDiesel From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 656683 times:

Hi guys,

I work for CNN and we're watching this thread closely now. Keep the information coming should you have any.

Best,

Mike



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 109, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 653837 times:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sergey Rimsha



Here's the most recent pic on a.net.

Why does CNN's Richard Quest keep saying it is a -200 LR??

I have the right plane pictured, correct?



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineairbusa346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 110, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 652594 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 92):
Unfortunately, given the fact the plane did flip over, there is going to be a casualty count, especially if you note a very visible crack near the center of the plane. Given most of the fuselage stayed intact, let's just hope the count is low.

Surely if it flipped and ended up back on its belly, then the wings would be detacted and more fuselarge brackages.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 111, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 652906 times:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOg7KARCIAALbJS.jpg:large

Wow, it almost completely burned down.



Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2292 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 652229 times:

Amazing that we are seeing these images so quickly due to the immense power of media, social media and mobile phones. Damage looks worse in the later pictures, but maybe lots of pax off before fire became intense.

User currently offlinemach2is2slowaz From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 652466 times:

Sorry if it has already been posted but live feed from over head. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...n-francisco-airport?lite&gt1=43001

Prayers to all involved and that everyone survived!


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4247 posts, RR: 6
Reply 114, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649620 times:

Second hull loss of a B777 - but this is secondary to the injured and possibly fatally injured.

Seems to me that:

- The plane obviously suffered a severely hard landing or lost control after a normal landing (maybe it bounced?)
- The tail and tail section is seperated from the main fuselage, presumably it is still on or near the runway
- The fuselage appears to be intact from nose to tail, except for missing tail cone section and rear empennage
- Fire was the big problem after landing

Hopefully everybody escaped similar to the AF Airbus A343 crash at YYZ in 2005. That's the main hope now.
Let's hope nobody was injured to the point that they could not get off the plane and that there was enough time before the fire and smoke enveloped the fuselage.

God Bless all passengers and crew, especially those sitting toward the very rear.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1847 posts, RR: 9
Reply 115, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649788 times:

I won't pretend to know much about the construction of the 777, but just looking at the pictures I'm astounded how cleanly the tail section broke off.

User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 116, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649822 times:

It's amazing to me the things that CNN is reporting. They're reporting that it "cartwheeled", the "wings broke off". All of this while they are showing the wings intact on Live TV... reporting FAIL. They'd be better off quoting a.net.

What I would like to know is WTF happened to the tail section?!



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User currently offlinenicholasjet From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649982 times:

Looking at the SkyNews broadcast, and the video footage.... it looks like a wheel caught the sea wall at the start of the runway/stopway/clearway area.

User currently offlineairbusa346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 118, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649383 times:

Tail is just before the threshold.


Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 119, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649273 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 86):
The last door is open as well, so that looks like people got off all the way to the back. Let's hope they were all that lucky.

Good thing that the aft section did not break. That would have been worse.



Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2593 posts, RR: 30
Reply 120, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649586 times:

From the debris it looks like it landed short of the threshold, as did the BA B772 a few years ago.

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:49:08]

User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649412 times:
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Looks like the aircraft hit the end of the runway by the water. Landed well short!

User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649424 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 92):
given the fact the plane did flip over

Do we know it flipped?

Not a physicist or engineer, but I can't figure out how it could "flip" and then end up right side up. The wings appear to be still attached so it wasn't a "rolling pin" fuselage situation.

Looking at where the aircraft ended up, it is far left of the runway and there is a substantial debris field before the displaced threshold of 28L. Looks like it landed tail first before the threshold and skidded leftward.

Listening to the LiveATC archive right now. Scary as hell. Major A+ to the ATC controller on duty - deserves a pat on the back for that one.


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1999 posts, RR: 23
Reply 123, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649733 times:
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From video being shown now on KTVU, looks like tail may have struck seawall at beginning of runway. Debris is scattered along threshold. looks like horizontal stabilizers are laying on the threshold.


It's been swell, but the swelling has gone down.
User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 496 posts, RR: 8
Reply 124, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 650148 times:

They just showed the "impact point" at the runway threshhold. The horizontal stabilizers and the vertical stabilizer are on the runway with a trail of debris leading to the current resting place of the fuselage.........looks like a very hard landing that snapped the tail off........


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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2382 posts, RR: 28
Reply 125, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649827 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 109):
Why does CNN's Richard Quest keep saying it is a -200 LR??

I have the right plane pictured, correct?

Asiana does not have any B777-200(LR)s. This is a B777-28E(ER), delivered to Asiana on March 3, 2006. One out of twelve they have in their fleet.

Maybe he got confused by the schedule displays which show "77L" in GDSs for some Asiana flights as they use this for one type of cabin configuration. They are all B777-200(ER)s though.



Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineat777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649976 times:

Looks as though the landing gear clipped the edge of the runway that mets the water. Image just from CNN.

User currently offlinepackcheer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 649573 times:

The picture they just showed on ABC news looks like the tail hit the sea wall short of the threshold. The stabilizers are sitting on the runway still on the arrows. Lots of debris at the threshold.


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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 128, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 646399 times:

Viewing TV, looks like the aircraft struck the sea wall before the runway, landed short? Why?


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User currently offlinexaapb From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 129, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 646367 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 109):

Dont know but as far as I know Asiana dosent have -200LR right?

amazing people took there time to take out their stuff from the overhead bins!

Hope everyone is ok.



Jorge Meneses
User currently offlineusscvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 646350 times:

Debris well before the piano keys. Looks like it landed short.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26906 posts, RR: 58
Reply 131, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 646982 times:

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/oz10_zps05947503.jpg

User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2292 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 646276 times:

Looks like heavy bounce and slide damage to me

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1447 posts, RR: 12
Reply 133, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 646569 times:

Looking at pics on CNN, debris started way before the threshold right on the edge of the water before runway started. Speculation of course but that says a lot about what might have caused it.


If you're going through hell, keep going
User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 134, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 646593 times:

This plane did not cartwheel.... People need to stop reporting that .... My guess is that everyone got out of this airplane with just minor injuries ... crossed fingers ...

User currently offlineconcordski From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 646593 times:

Looking at the live footage on CNN after the crash, it looks like the aircraft hit the ground right where the edge of the airport property meets the water which would suggest that the tail sheered off there. Looks like it just barely even made it to the airport threshold.

User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 646555 times:

Quoting NDiesel (Reply 108):

Hi guys,

I work for CNN and we're watching this thread closely now. Keep the information coming should you have any.

You're a news broadcaster taking information from an enthusiasts forum merely speculating on what's happened?


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 137, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 646411 times:

The picture of the plane on Wikipedia has 'Extended Range' painted on the rear fuselage, just aft of L4 door. So, is it a LR or ER?


Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 138, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643926 times:

Fox News has dug up some former NTSB investigator that sounds like he last worked a crash about 30 years ago and isn't anywhere near a TV or computer.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 93):
Unfortunately, given the fact the plane did flip over, there is going to be a casualty count, especially if you note a very visible crack near the center of the plane. Given most of the fuselage stayed intact, let's just hope the count is low.

The initial reports of the a/c flipping over seem to be incorrect since the plane ended up on its' belly and not on its' back. Eyewitness reports are also confirming that it did not flip over as early reports stated.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 139, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 644235 times:




Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 496 posts, RR: 8
Reply 140, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643870 times:

WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

The reporting on CNN has been absolutely ridiculous. They would do much better posting a job on a.net than using the fools who have taken up position behind a camera and microphone to report on this accident.



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User currently offlineairbusa346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 141, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643502 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):

ER



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3818 posts, RR: 51
Reply 142, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 644465 times:

I've always wondered: how is customs and immigration handled after a crash like this? Will the passengers be brought to immigration from the crash site and then clear and then be brought to hospitals? Sounds like a stupid question, but actually, if something goes wrong and you end up in a hospital without clearing immigration first, you'll probably get problems on future visits to the USA, including being ineligible to ever use the Visa Waiver program again.

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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2382 posts, RR: 28
Reply 143, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643500 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):
So, is it a LR or ER?

(ER).



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2781 posts, RR: 4
Reply 144, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643812 times:
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Anyone else think he got slow and just had an abnormal sink rate. It looks like the debris field starts way short of the normal touchdown zone. Hits the tail and rips it off?
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User currently offlinelppr95 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643541 times:

Reminds me of BA38 a few years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38


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User currently offlinebioyuki From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643320 times:

It looks like only two slides deployed...what's the evacuation rate/door for a 772?


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User currently offlinenicholasjet From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643636 times:

I don't think it was the tail that hit the sea wall, the damage is off the centre line, it would have been the starboard nacelle, gear or trailing edge flap....

User currently offlinewarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 644176 times:

Quoting freeze3192 (Reply 53):
LiveATC SFO:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ksfo/KSFO-Twr-Jul-06-2013-1800Z.mp3

They check in at 21:00. They were coming in for 28L
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 57):
Picture of the crash landing itself:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOg1QPuCE...large

From the Live ATC audio and other information, it appears that the UA 744 in the picture is UA885 waiting for 28R. It appears they witnessed it and even spotted some people on 28L.

Looking at flight aware, it appears that Ua885 actually took off and left minutes afterwards. I'm surprised the aircraft wasn't taken back to the gate to be inspected for any damage...


User currently offlineairplanebrain From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643794 times:

The video of the seawall and the debris is very telling. That runway will be closed for a while as they analyze the debris field. This appears to be the crux of the investigation.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 150, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643276 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):
The picture of the plane on Wikipedia has 'Extended Range' painted on the rear fuselage, just aft of L4 door. So, is it a LR or ER?

Asiana Airlines doesn't have any LRs, only ERs. Check http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Asiana%20Airlines-active-b777.htm



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User currently offlinexaapb From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 151, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643147 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):

777-200ER Asiana dosent have LR series.



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User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643344 times:

Eyewitnesses saying it flipped remind me of UA 232 at SUX. It most likely did not flip; but at one point during the loss of control a wing or the empennage may have assumed an unusual attitude, leading (inexperienced?) casual observers to believe the airplane was cartwheeling. I would imagine some kind of unusual attitude occurred after losing the tail.


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User currently offlineFighterPilot From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1383 posts, RR: 22
Reply 153, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 643456 times:

Hopefully everyone is ok. I'm hoping that by the reports and pictures of passengers snapping pictures and taking their carry on while evacuating means that the crash wasn't as violent as it might seem. This crash reminds me of the AF 358 in YYZ that over ran the runway. All the post crash pictures look similar to each other.

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User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 640436 times:

http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/ktvu-live-news/vtSfR/?updated

Streaming Live from SFO TV Stations..



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 155, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 640110 times:

One question that needs to be asked now: was there any wind shear warnings issued by the SFO tower any time within one hour before the crash? It looks like the plane experienced a hard impact that kind of reminded me of that unfortunate impact of a FedEx MD-11 freighter at NRT some yaers ago caused by wind shear.

User currently offlineNDiesel From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 640017 times:

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 136):
You're a news broadcaster taking information from an enthusiasts forum merely speculating on what's happened?

We're all speculating. We don't confirm it.



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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1847 posts, RR: 9
Reply 157, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 640125 times:

Can anyone link an image of the seawall impact that's being discussed? I don't have TV access right now.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8227 posts, RR: 23
Reply 158, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 640174 times:

If pax are toting their carry-ons off the airplane, I'd wager everyone made it off okay.

Looks like everything aft of the pressure bulkhead was deposited elsewhere. Any landing you can walk away from, huh? Yeah.



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1447 posts, RR: 12
Reply 159, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 640117 times:

Quoting NDiesel (Reply 108):
I work for CNN and we're watching this thread closely now. Keep the information coming should you have any.

In that case, get this presenter off the air coz she's just making it worse and making a fool of herself!

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 109):
Why does CNN's Richard Quest keep saying it is a -200 LR??

I have the right plane pictured, correct?

He's wrong and you have the right plane. Asiana doesn't operate 777LRs. There was a thread about that earlier today but now it has disappeared, they only have 772ERs.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 160, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 639976 times:

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 140):
WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

Would you hire an aviation expert for just 2 or 3 crashes a year?



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User currently offlinewroord From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 637633 times:

ABC News live coverage says that the plane was landing at an abnormal angle with the nose up and it hit the runway so hard that the tail broke off. No one knows if everyone onboard managed to run off before the fire, but let's hope for the best.

User currently offlineLLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 637305 times:

Where is the flight recorder located at 777 ? if it is near tail section that ripped off, it might be damaged beyond use?

User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8468 posts, RR: 2
Reply 163, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 637309 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 125):
Asiana does not have any B777-200(LR)s.

Flightaware and similar systems call it an 777-200LR. However that is WRONG. My post above stating 'allegedly LR' was wrong. It is a actually a Pratt ER according to multiple sources. AFAIK that is the only Asiana 777 type.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26906 posts, RR: 58
Reply 164, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 637376 times:

Passengers : 290 Infant 1 Crew : 12 onboard according to Sky News.

User currently offlineogre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 165, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 637273 times:

Too early, but it does look like the london crash to me.


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User currently onlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 166, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 637570 times:

live feed ktvu.com
http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/ktvu-live-news/vtSfR/?updated



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User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 167, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 637526 times:

Quoting freeze3192 (Reply 53):
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ksfo/KSFO-Twr-Jul-06-2013-1800Z.mp3

22 minutes onwards. Wow.



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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 168, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 637250 times:

Quoting nicholasjet (Reply 118):
it looks like a wheel caught the sea wall at the start of the runway/stopway/clearway area.

That would be consistent with what everything else CNN is showing. I have not seen that feed in the USA.

Where is the empennage? Awful big piece that we are not seeing on the video from CNN. Seems like it was cut off by something sharp, perhaps the seawall.

If the plane catches a wheel on the seawall, would it pitch nose-up and perhaps slam the empennage down on the seawall?

Landing lights and airfield structures are supposed to be frangible after the AA MD80 crash at LIT many years ago impacted a rigid steel light structure. Don't think landing lights would do it.

This "cartwheeling" report is perhaps actually "spinning" - cartwheeling would have destroyed the plane entirely.


User currently offlinegulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 169, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 637122 times:

Reassuring that the tail broke aft of the pressure dome. Fingers crossed!!!


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5048 posts, RR: 21
Reply 170, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 634675 times:

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 136):


You're a news broadcaster taking information from an enthusiasts forum merely speculating on what's happened?

There are quite a few people on here who know their stuff. A valuable resource, not the ONLY resource.

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 140):
WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

The reporting on CNN has been absolutely ridiculous. They would do much better posting a job on a.net than using the fools who have taken up position behind a camera and microphone to report on this accident.

It can be frustrating for the enthusiast who knows far more about this topic more than most people in a newsroom, but quite a few experts are just a phone call away. Should CNN have a resident Aviation Expert on staff for these thankfully rare occasions?



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User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 171, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 634908 times:

I'm listening to San Francisco FD/EMS , they are staring a water search via boat and helicopter. I'm not sure if they are looking for additional victims or parts of the plane for an investigation...


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User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 172, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 634529 times:

So far no mention on the website, no contact info for families. According to OZ nothing unusual has occurred.

Someone over there needs to get their act together!

http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en/index



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2781 posts, RR: 4
Reply 173, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 634309 times:
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Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 140):
WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

It's Saturday, I doubt they have experts sitting around everyday just in the rare case a plane crashes.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 156):
was there any wind shear warnings issued by the SFO tower any time within one hour before the crash?

I couldn't find anything to say that there was any wind shear. The METAR had light winds at the time of the report and winds all the way up to FL390 look pretty low.
Pat



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 174, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 634877 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 161):
Would you hire an aviation expert for just 2 or 3 crashes a year?

That's why you pay a retainer and have someone on call. However, as much as American's love to complain about flying, you probably could justify a position...  



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User currently offlineillinicmi From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 175, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 634354 times:

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 163):
Where is the flight recorder located at 777 ? if it is near tail section that ripped off, it might be damaged beyond use?

Not sure exactly, but generally towards the tail. Anything is possible, but I'm guessing this impact is "minor" compared to what it is designed to survive.


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2382 posts, RR: 28
Reply 176, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 634301 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 164):

Flightaware and similar systems call it an 777-200LR. However that is WRONG. My post above stating 'allegedly LR' was wrong. It is a actually a Pratt ER according to multiple sources. AFAIK that is the only Asiana 777 type.

Yes, PW4090 according to our database.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 177, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 631505 times:

Quoting airbusa346 (Reply 141):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):

ER
Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 143):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):
So, is it a LR or ER?

(ER).

I didn't think they had LR's, but CNN kept saying LR. I was perplexed.



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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 178, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 631491 times:

Definitely looks like it landed short and hit the rocks ....

User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 179, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 631455 times:

I agree Karel. No way that flipped having the wings and everything in such good condition, relatively speaking.

It looks like the photos being shown and obviously the live feed is all after fire. The initial pictures I have seen were all no fire damage, which to me says more than likely all were able to get off prior to the fire as long as they were not injured or killed during the accident itself.

They showed a live feed of the banks just prior to the runway and there is debris on it and in the water. My WAG is that it landed short, hit the embankment and ripped the tail of then skidded further down the runway to its present location.



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Reply 180, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 631596 times:

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 140):

WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

The reporting on CNN has been absolutely ridiculous. They would do much better posting a job on a.net than using the fools who have taken up position behind a camera and microphone to report on this accident.

I bet CNN wishes that they wouldn't have disbanded their science and technology unit, as Miles O'Brien was their go-to guy for events like this and he was let go back in 2008. He covered a number of plane crashes for them over the years and even if he couldn't be in the studio, he would report via phone.


User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 181, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 631501 times:

You're light, favorable winds and wx, a long runway in front of you, you land short. Why? What the hell.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11196 posts, RR: 33
Reply 182, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 631843 times:

"At this time, we have no fatalities, one critical already airlifted and at San Fran General."

http://twitter.com/SoCalEMSFire/status/353599674097205249



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User currently offlineWNwatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 183, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 631514 times:

Anyone else notice that Number 1 engine isn't visible on any shots?