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OZ 777 Crash At SFO Part 1  
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 697902 times:
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An OZ 777 just crashed off the end of runway 28R at SFO. Details to come

Please continue discussion at OZ 777 Crash At SFO Part 2 (by moderators Jul 6 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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[Edited 2013-07-06 17:21:50 by moderators]


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6084 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 698714 times:

There is no OZ 777 departing this early. However it may have been on arrival. Everything at SFO is going around currently


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6084 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 698995 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Malaysia, joined Aug 2001, 2999 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 698115 times:
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Aircraft should be HL7742. I'm shaking right now...


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User currently offlineSIA747Megatop From Singapore, joined Apr 2012, 279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 697832 times:

Was this a runway excursion or an actual "crash?"


Would you like fries with that? I didn't think so.
User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 697875 times:

Can't find the reg on Flightradar24... Since it crashed off 28R is it in the bay?

EDIT : Seems like the reg was already found... Sorry.

[Edited 2013-07-06 11:44:23]


http://flightdiary.net/CO764.
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Malaysia, joined Aug 2001, 2999 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 698269 times:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/kristaseiden/status/353583157355880448/photo/1

Looks bad...



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User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 697662 times:

Looks pretty bad with thick black smoke plumes in pictures on twitter



User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6084 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 697484 times:

I just confirmed there is a crash on the approach end of the 28's. The plane is broken in multiple pieces. It appeared to the controller I spoke with that it was a hard landing and the tail is yards away from the body of the aircraft. It was possible a short landing or hard touchdown.


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 696875 times:

FAA advisory out says "DISABLED AIRCRAFT".


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User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 696282 times:

there is nothing on any of the SFO area tv stations. where did you get your information from?


I miss the 60's & 70's when you felt like a guest on the plane not cattle like today
User currently offlineual757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 696548 times:

Oh my god. I saw this on my friend's Facebook page. I hope everyone gets out okay, I'm shaking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kristaseiden?p=s

Here's the twitter page I'm finding pics on...


User currently offlinezalemam From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 697477 times:

Two more images...from twitter






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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6084 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 695793 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 10):

I got the info from Ramp Tower I use to supervise. Crash confirmed. Tragic



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3333 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 694906 times:
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Wow. Hope everyone is okay.

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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 694953 times:
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SFO Airport is currently closed the flight was OZ214


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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2421 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 694947 times:

Current weather:

SFO 061756Z WINDS 210 @ 6, VIS 10SM, FEW016, TEMPS 18/10, ALT 29.82.

Is SFO closed?



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User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 695052 times:

Looks like majority of fuselage is intact. Nose looks to have snapped off with tail nowhere to be seen. Hopefully most of pax and crew have survived but wouldn't be surprised if there are some fatalities up front.

User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2883 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 693829 times:

That looks real bad, hope everyone is ok

Karan


User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 693810 times:

Wow! Wx is severe clear. What the hell happened? Hoping the best for those on board.


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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8394 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 692484 times:

Asiana ICN (Seoul) to SFO and is allegedly a 777-200LR.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 693121 times:

Looks bad !!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 692588 times:
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NYCAviation is reporting fuel problems. Perhaps fuel exhaustion?
Pat



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 693089 times:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOgxkLYCAAALk5s.png:large

http://twitter.com/AerospaceInfo/status/353587068343025665/photo/1



Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlinej8 From St. Vincent and the Grenadines, joined Mar 2013, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 691296 times:

Hoping for the best for all...

User currently offlineFastphilly From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 700345 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFtmSybpuw&feature=youtu.be

User currently offlinekaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 739 posts, RR: 12
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 697895 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
Looks bad !!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw
Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):
NYCAviation is reporting fuel problems. Perhaps fuel exhaustion?
Pat

Actually looks better than I thought. Fuselage seems intact although tail is missing. Kinda reminds me of the BA038 crash, but I don't know if OZ 777s are equipped with RR engines.



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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 707784 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):

That's a good sight to see, bad enough but could be worse.

Edit: after viewing for pictures it looks bad for rear of the aircraft. Such a shame.

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:13:56]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 704303 times:

Quoting kaneporta1 (Reply 26):
but I don't know if OZ 777s are equipped with RR engines.

The whole 777 fleet has PW4090 engines.



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User currently offlineraggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 704924 times:

Looks bad, hopefully no fatalities... I fear the 777's perfect safety record has been broken.

OZ's 777 fleet are all 77E, PW engines.



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User currently offlinebluewhale18210 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 704229 times:

Airport is closed until further notice...
And yeah, looks like it's severe clear out there...

SFO ATIS INFO N 1756Z.
21006KT 10SM FEW016 18/10 A2982 (TWO NINER EIGHT TWO).
LNDG RWYS 28L.
DEPG RWYS 1L, 1R.
NOTAMS...
ARPT CLSD, UFA.
RY 28R, 28L GS OTS, RY 28R, 28L ALS OTS.
GATEHOLD PROCEDURES IN EFCT, ALL A/C CTC GH 124.25 WHEN READY FOR ENG START OR PB.
READBACK OF ALL RWY HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS IS REQUIRED.
ALL ACFT ARE RQRD TO INCL ACFT CLSGN IN ALL RDBKS AND ACKMTS.
...ADVS YOU HAVE INFO N.

At least some got out it looks like. I saw escape slides deployed from doors 1L and 2L.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10630 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 703729 times:

Quoting kaneporta1 (Reply 26):
but I don't know if OZ 777s are equipped with RR engines.

This plane has/had Pratt & Whitneys if its a 772ER.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 702463 times:

Quoting kaneporta1 (Reply 26):
Kinda reminds me of the BA038 crash, but I don't know if OZ 777s are equipped with RR engines.

Yes that was what I was thinking. An intact fuselage is hopefully a good sign. The 772 is certainly powered by PW
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=awmKRglUX_Zc


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8483 posts, RR: 55
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 702074 times:
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At leas there are some chutes deployed, indicated people got out.

Quoting kaneporta1 (Reply 26):
Kinda reminds me of the BA038 crash, but I don't know if OZ 777s are equipped with RR engines.

- What's that supposed to mean? - You saying only RR 777's crash?



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10342 posts, RR: 14
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 702550 times:

Here's the first media account I could find......I don't understand the part about the plane coming to a rest, "upside down".....looks right side up, to me.......


http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/...7-crashes-while-landing-sfo/nYfcx/



KTVU.com



A plane crashed while landing at San Francisco International Airport Saturday morning after its tail came off while it was touching down on the runway.

According to a witness, around 11:20 a.m. the plane was just about to land -- its landing gear had come down -- when the tail of the plane came off.

After wobbling for a minute, the aircraft flipped upside down, coming to a stop on runway on it's back.

The plane, reportedly a Boeing 777, was coming from South Korea, according to flight tracking information.



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User currently offline9lflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 699905 times:

From the video, it looks like the fire has not reached the cabin, it looks to be behind the aircraft, maybe where the tail section is. and I see slides deployed so an evacuation has occurred. Lets hope for the best. Looks awfully similar to the BA LHR incident.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 699827 times:

Quoting raggi (Reply 29):
I fear the 777's perfect safety record has been broken.

This is not the first 777 crash.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 697332 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):
This is not the first 777 crash.

I think he meant in terms of fatalities.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 697304 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):
This is not the first 777 crash.

I'm sure he's referring to the lack of fatal 777 crashes.



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User currently onlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 793 posts, RR: 8
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 697808 times:

Lufthansa A380 LH454 diverting to Oakland now.


A380 Crew
User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 697894 times:

Where is the rest of the plane? Hard to see from the CNN feed but I only see part of it.

Incredibly stupid reporting by the CNN anchor right now, btw.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 41, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 698723 times:

Update: crews report 48 patients have been rescued so far after 777 crashes on landing. Passengers still on burning plane.


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7084 posts, RR: 3
Reply 42, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 695819 times:

How long does it take to reopen an airport after an incident like this, I'm on a flight to SFO with my family on Monday?

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 43, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 695717 times:

CNN is just now reporting it. It's pretty bad that it took them over a half hour after it happened to first report it. Just shows you how social media breaks news in a more efficient manner than mainstream media.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 44, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 695105 times:

Sky News reporting it now news.sky.com but only a ticker at the bottom of the screen ''Breaking News''. I guess they are awaiting more information.

User currently offlineNeutronStar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 695319 times:

That is a testament to Boeing's design. The aircraft looks to be relatively intact. Hope all aboard are okay

User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 695277 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 39):

Lufthansa A380 LH454 diverting to Oakland now.

First time an A380 lands in OAK?



http://flightdiary.net/CO764.
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 47, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 693353 times:

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 40):
Incredibly stupid reporting by the CNN anchor right now, btw.

Yeah:

"The 777 is a plane that normally has 3 rows."

"it's unclear whether any passengers were on board."

Facepalm :F



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User currently offlineraggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 692558 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):

No fatal 777 crash yet, hopefully that is still true after today.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 49, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 692507 times:

Picture from the other side:

http://twitter.com/navarrobryan/status/353589030849503233/photo/1



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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 24
Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 689927 times:
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Watching local KTVU ch2 right now. Reporting tail strike on landing with tail section breaking off.


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User currently offlinecuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 689953 times:

Seems like a bad accident. In most of the time, the front of the airplane gets the worst damage, but in this case I'm wondering what happened to the whole tail section. I hope no fatalities......just worried about the passengers in the aft.

User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 689150 times:
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I just listened to the LiveATC archive and I don't think it was fuel exhaustion. There seemed to be no indications of issues prior to the landing. Though that is just armchair crash investigation. Kudos to SFO tower for being so professional during the whole event. The Captain even came on post crash and was speaking to tower. My prayers go out to the people on board.
Pat



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User currently offlinefreeze3192 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 689615 times:

LiveATC SFO:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ksfo/KSFO-Twr-Jul-06-2013-1800Z.mp3

They check in at 21:00. They were coming in for 28L



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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1510 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 684211 times:
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Quoting CO764 (Reply 46):
First time an A380 lands in OAK?

Yes it will be the first time!!


User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 685442 times:



Very positive news


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 56, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 686506 times:

Interesting photo that a friend on Twitter just retweeted:

http://path.com/p/1lwrZb

Now if I had just survived a crash, I don't think getting on my phone would be my first thing to do once I got out of the plane.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 57, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 688543 times:

Picture of the crash landing itself:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOg1QPuCEAA8spW.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/stefanielaine/status/353591123958173696/photo/1



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User currently offlineNeutronStar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 685183 times:

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 40):

Agreed. This woman is annoyingly stupid. Just proves ones of my professor's statement about modern news media: most are really news readers and not journalists, so if something isn't put in front of them ready to go, they will flail around completely clueless


User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 59, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 683809 times:

The like below has a CBS radio station live reporting on the crash... Hopefully there no lose of life. they are reporting that it is a cargo flight. two hour ground stop.
Well now they are backing out of the idea that it was a cargo flight. and a witness statement that the plane was out of control on approach to 28L.

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:31:56]


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 60, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 681291 times:

Yes the massive diverts commence.

KL 747, LH A380 went to OAK.
KE 77W to LAX

Tons of domestic flights to OAK, SJC and a few to MRY



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User currently offlinen782nc From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 681525 times:

Witnesses now reporting a severe tail strike causing the rear section to detach from the rest of the aircraft. They keep saying the plane flipped, but the pictures posted here show it right side up...


Stairway to Seven
User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2608 posts, RR: 4
Reply 62, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 680517 times:

Anyone else thinking extreme hard landing?

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:21:36]


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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 680922 times:

Quoting PA110 (Reply 50):
Reporting tail strike on landing with tail section breaking off.

Yikes.

Listening to KOAK LiveATC feed - all sorts of planes diverting there. KL (744) and LH (380) have arrived. OAK has customs, at least, so maybe people can actually get off there.


User currently offlineherctech From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 681029 times:

The reporting on CNN is just grating. They claim they can't identify the airline, or any other iinfo. They should be following this forum so as to provide more accurate information.

Edit: seems they are finally catching up

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:24:05]

User currently offlinenicholasjet From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 681836 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dFtmSybpuw&feature=youtu.be

video


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 66, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 681012 times:

Better pic:


http://twitter.com/Eunner

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:25:05]


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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 67, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 677655 times:
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Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 33):
You saying only RR 777's crash?

So far, yes.



MGGS
User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 677932 times:

Quoting j8 (Reply 24):
Hoping for the best for all...

X2!!

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 39):
Lufthansa A380 LH454 diverting to Oakland now.

Are they going to deplane at OAK, or are they going to land at OAK, wait until SFO reopens, then fly over to SFO to deplane?

I'm scheduled to pick up clients on UA 902 FRA-SFO this afternoon. I'm guessing that they're going to do something similar (either into OAK or SJC)?



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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 674734 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 42):

Lets get the injured off and the fire out first


User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 70, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 675238 times:

Quoting CaptainDoony (Reply 55):

Don't forget your carry-on luggage now...Incredible



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10342 posts, RR: 14
Reply 71, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 674560 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 56):
Now if I had just survived a crash, I don't think getting on my phone would be my first thing to do once I got out of the plane.

No, the first thing I would do is change my underwear (if possible).



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User currently offlineFastphilly From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 674515 times:

There is a majority of white smoke at this point so the fire must be close to extinguished. According to an eyewitness the tail detached on landing and the plane flipped over.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 73, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 674549 times:

There were 290 people on board the airplane. No reports of injuries so far.


Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlinebtfarrwm From United States of America, joined May 2011, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 672664 times:

Live description from a witness sounds bad...plane cartwheeled after landing, wing broke off first, followed by tail. Did not immediately catch fire.

User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 75, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 672406 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 33):
What's that supposed to mean? - You saying only RR 777's crash?

You can't figure out what he meant???? He's CLEARLY making a reference to the problem BA had with it's RR engines and trying to discount it. Keep calm and grow up!



Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3106 posts, RR: 9
Reply 76, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 672190 times:

Are the passengers leaving with their bags (as the photos indicate)?


14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4363 posts, RR: 6
Reply 77, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 671000 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 61):
Yes the massive diverts commence.

KL 747, LH A380 went to OAK.
KE 77W to LAX

Tons of domestic flights to OAK, SJC and a few to MRY

SJC diverts including ANA 788, UA 753, and many more.

SMF also getting some diverts, US A321, UA 752, AC 320

RNO picking up an AA 738, OO CR2



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4906 posts, RR: 43
Reply 78, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 670615 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 56):
Now if I had just survived a crash, I don't think getting on my phone would be my first thing to do once I got out of the plane.

I think I probably would get on the phone. I'd rather my loved ones find out about the crash after I tell them I am all right.



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User currently offlineLanPeru From Peru, joined Jun 2001, 645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 79, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 668161 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 40):
Incredibly stupid reporting by the CNN anchor right now, btw.

Yeah:

"The 777 is a plane that normally has 3 rows."

"it's unclear whether any passengers were on board."

Facepalm :F

For an anchor, I believe she is doing a great job. She stated "Three rows of seats" (To me, X-X-X comes to mind), a size able aircraft...she reported that it came from "South Korea", and how SFO-ICN-SFO is a busy route

Welcome to the real-world.

I hope that people are ok, I always think of elderly and young children/infants when it comes to these crashed...they aren't always as mobile, able or aware of what to do.


User currently offlinepierrelav From Brazil, joined Mar 2011, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 667825 times:

The CNN guy ( Richard Quest) is nothing but Jacuzzi journalism. Useless whern it comes to real info.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 81, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 664765 times:

AF084 from CDG diverted to SEA

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 82, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 664842 times:

Quoting herctech (Reply 65):
The reporting on CNN is just grating. They claim they can't identify the airline, or any other iinfo. They should be following this forum so as to provide more accurate information.

The thread here had been up for over a half hour by the time CNN broke the story. The weekend anchors seem to not even be CNN's "B Team". I'm half expecting notorious news prankster Captain Janks to prank CNN, as he has done in the past because of the folks at CNN are often slow on the uptake. I ended up turning over to Fox News because they seem to be a bit more competent in their reporting.


User currently offlinetkukucka From Australia, joined Apr 2013, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 664904 times:

Man what a crash this is the 3 rd hull loss of a 777 in its history feel for the people involved

User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 664644 times:

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 81):
The CNN guy ( Richard Quest) is nothing but Jacuzzi journalism. Useless whern it comes to real info.

Isn't that true of most journalists?

I'm using this thread as my primary source of info for this...I trust what people post on here FAR above what a news-reader says...



ETOPS = Engine Turns Off, Passengers Swim
User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 85, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 664844 times:

The last door is open as well, so that looks like people got off all the way to the back. Let's hope they were all that lucky.

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:32:17]


Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8189 posts, RR: 24
Reply 86, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 665483 times:

Quoting aerobalance (Reply 71):
Don't forget your carry-on luggage now...Incredible

Holy S no kidding. Your airplane is burning and you stroll off with your roll-aboard?! Sorry, but if you're in front of me in this situation and you're reaching for the overhead, I'm not responsible for the broken nose and pelvis that result from me "removing" you from my path.



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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 664824 times:

CNN video showing a ton of fire damage - burned out in most of the forward cabin. Praying that pax could escape before the fire, as impact looks survivable.

User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 665460 times:

Already a Wikipedia page :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214



http://flightdiary.net/CO764.
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4992 posts, RR: 21
Reply 89, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 664690 times:

Quoting LanPeru (Reply 80):


For an anchor, I believe she is doing a great job.

Not bad really, not everyone can be an AvGeek. Of course after to listening to the broadcast for about 5 minutes I hightailed it back to A-net for quicker, more accurate info.

So glad to see people walking away from that....



Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8394 posts, RR: 3
Reply 90, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 665194 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 72):
No, the first thing I would do is change my underwear (if possible).

  


CNN reader comment suggests "everyone was evacuated." via a sibling at the scene (6 min ago)

Let's hope so~~

Edit: ac is reportedly HL 7742:

Serial number 29171 LN:553
Type 777-28EER
First flight date 25/02/2006
Plane age 7.4 years
Engines 2 x PW PW4090

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:37:45]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24779 posts, RR: 46
Reply 91, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 664703 times:

CX870 744 to OAK
SQ16 77W to SMF
CA985 744 to LAX
AC757 320 to OAK

Lots of shorthaul flights turning back to points of origin.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7982 posts, RR: 5
Reply 92, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 662052 times:

I do know that SFO's crash and rescue operations responded very quickly to this accident.

Unfortunately, given the fact the plane did flip over, there is going to be a casualty count, especially if you note a very visible crack near the center of the plane. Given most of the fuselage stayed intact, let's just hope the count is low.


User currently offlinewarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 660053 times:

Quoting freeze3192 (Reply 53):
LiveATC SFO:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ksfo/KSFO-Twr-Jul-06-2013-1800Z.mp3

They check in at 21:00. They were coming in for 28L

Absolutely amazing how calm and professional SFO Tower, the QX, and the OO pilots (who are both on short final) sound. Kudos to them.

Thoughts and prayers with those on the OZ flight.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 94, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 659351 times:

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/photo-15_zps29db2697.jpg

User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 659052 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 82):
AF084 from CDG diverted to SEA

Nearest station with DL equipment to serve widebodies, I guess. AF084 was well into Oregon (and therefore beyond SEA) when it turned around but only SEA and SLC fit the bill as far as major DL stations with appropriate equipment.


User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 658510 times:

Registration is HL7742.

User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 658728 times:

Apparently, the airport will be closed for the next "couple of hours"

http://rt.com/usa/plane-san-francisco-fire-748/



http://flightdiary.net/CO764.
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2589 posts, RR: 30
Reply 98, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 659060 times:

It looks like door R2 was blocked by an engine and that doors L4/R4 were not used.

I can't believe there are people with trolley bags in the photos! I would go mad if someone stood up and opened the overhead locker in front of me instead of evacuating immediately. I guess that might suggest that there was not much panic, so let's hope everyone got out.


User currently offlineusscvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 659473 times:

Foxnews just showed better images. Tail separated just aft of pressure bulkhead. Wings still attached. Fire has take out almost half of the top of the aircraft. If all made it out, they are very fortunate. Prayers to all.

User currently offlineheysfo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 660131 times:

Video

https://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFtmSybpuw


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 101, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 659193 times:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOg6-YrCUAAW_4C.jpg:large


Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently onlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 793 posts, RR: 8
Reply 102, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 657867 times:

From doors 3 forward the fuselage looks to have been decimated by fire. Seems like L4 has been ripped off and the left and right engines have sheared off. The tail seems to have broken away around the area of the aft pressure bulkhead.


A380 Crew
User currently offlinenycdave From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 657555 times:

Could that really have flipped/cartwheeled? nose is undamaged, and initial photos show the roofline mostly intact (later photos show fire damage through the roof)...

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 104, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 657981 times:




Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 654742 times:

How often to tail strikes occur on landing? Tail strikes on take off seem far more common. Hope everyone is OK - completely shocking.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 106, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 654352 times:

Quoting nycdave (Reply 103):
Could that really have flipped/cartwheeled? nose is undamaged, and initial photos show the roofline mostly intact (later photos show fire damage through the roof)...

It did not flip.



Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 107, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 655015 times:


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User currently offlineNDiesel From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 656077 times:

Hi guys,

I work for CNN and we're watching this thread closely now. Keep the information coming should you have any.

Best,

Mike



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User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6376 posts, RR: 17
Reply 109, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 653231 times:


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sergey Rimsha



Here's the most recent pic on a.net.

Why does CNN's Richard Quest keep saying it is a -200 LR??

I have the right plane pictured, correct?



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineairbusa346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 110, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 651988 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 92):
Unfortunately, given the fact the plane did flip over, there is going to be a casualty count, especially if you note a very visible crack near the center of the plane. Given most of the fuselage stayed intact, let's just hope the count is low.

Surely if it flipped and ended up back on its belly, then the wings would be detacted and more fuselarge brackages.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 111, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 652300 times:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOg7KARCIAALbJS.jpg:large

Wow, it almost completely burned down.



Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 651623 times:

Amazing that we are seeing these images so quickly due to the immense power of media, social media and mobile phones. Damage looks worse in the later pictures, but maybe lots of pax off before fire became intense.

User currently offlinemach2is2slowaz From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 651860 times:

Sorry if it has already been posted but live feed from over head. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...n-francisco-airport?lite&gt1=43001

Prayers to all involved and that everyone survived!


User currently onlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4240 posts, RR: 6
Reply 114, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 649014 times:

Second hull loss of a B777 - but this is secondary to the injured and possibly fatally injured.

Seems to me that:

- The plane obviously suffered a severely hard landing or lost control after a normal landing (maybe it bounced?)
- The tail and tail section is seperated from the main fuselage, presumably it is still on or near the runway
- The fuselage appears to be intact from nose to tail, except for missing tail cone section and rear empennage
- Fire was the big problem after landing

Hopefully everybody escaped similar to the AF Airbus A343 crash at YYZ in 2005. That's the main hope now.
Let's hope nobody was injured to the point that they could not get off the plane and that there was enough time before the fire and smoke enveloped the fuselage.

God Bless all passengers and crew, especially those sitting toward the very rear.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently onlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1845 posts, RR: 9
Reply 115, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 649182 times:

I won't pretend to know much about the construction of the 777, but just looking at the pictures I'm astounded how cleanly the tail section broke off.

User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1451 posts, RR: 3
Reply 116, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 649216 times:

It's amazing to me the things that CNN is reporting. They're reporting that it "cartwheeled", the "wings broke off". All of this while they are showing the wings intact on Live TV... reporting FAIL. They'd be better off quoting a.net.

What I would like to know is WTF happened to the tail section?!



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User currently offlinenicholasjet From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 649376 times:

Looking at the SkyNews broadcast, and the video footage.... it looks like a wheel caught the sea wall at the start of the runway/stopway/clearway area.

User currently offlineairbusa346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 118, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 648777 times:

Tail is just before the threshold.


Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 119, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 648667 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 86):
The last door is open as well, so that looks like people got off all the way to the back. Let's hope they were all that lucky.

Good thing that the aft section did not break. That would have been worse.



Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2589 posts, RR: 30
Reply 120, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 648980 times:

From the debris it looks like it landed short of the threshold, as did the BA B772 a few years ago.

[Edited 2013-07-06 12:49:08]

User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 648806 times:
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Looks like the aircraft hit the end of the runway by the water. Landed well short!

User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 648818 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 92):
given the fact the plane did flip over

Do we know it flipped?

Not a physicist or engineer, but I can't figure out how it could "flip" and then end up right side up. The wings appear to be still attached so it wasn't a "rolling pin" fuselage situation.

Looking at where the aircraft ended up, it is far left of the runway and there is a substantial debris field before the displaced threshold of 28L. Looks like it landed tail first before the threshold and skidded leftward.

Listening to the LiveATC archive right now. Scary as hell. Major A+ to the ATC controller on duty - deserves a pat on the back for that one.


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 24
Reply 123, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 649127 times:
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From video being shown now on KTVU, looks like tail may have struck seawall at beginning of runway. Debris is scattered along threshold. looks like horizontal stabilizers are laying on the threshold.


It's been swell, but the swelling has gone down.
User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 496 posts, RR: 8
Reply 124, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 649542 times:

They just showed the "impact point" at the runway threshhold. The horizontal stabilizers and the vertical stabilizer are on the runway with a trail of debris leading to the current resting place of the fuselage.........looks like a very hard landing that snapped the tail off........


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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 125, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 649221 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 109):
Why does CNN's Richard Quest keep saying it is a -200 LR??

I have the right plane pictured, correct?

Asiana does not have any B777-200(LR)s. This is a B777-28E(ER), delivered to Asiana on March 3, 2006. One out of twelve they have in their fleet.

Maybe he got confused by the schedule displays which show "77L" in GDSs for some Asiana flights as they use this for one type of cabin configuration. They are all B777-200(ER)s though.



Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineat777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 649370 times:

Looks as though the landing gear clipped the edge of the runway that mets the water. Image just from CNN.

User currently offlinepackcheer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 648967 times:

The picture they just showed on ABC news looks like the tail hit the sea wall short of the threshold. The stabilizers are sitting on the runway still on the arrows. Lots of debris at the threshold.


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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 645793 times:

Viewing TV, looks like the aircraft struck the sea wall before the runway, landed short? Why?


"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlinexaapb From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 645761 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 109):

Dont know but as far as I know Asiana dosent have -200LR right?

amazing people took there time to take out their stuff from the overhead bins!

Hope everyone is ok.



Jorge Meneses
User currently offlineusscvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 645744 times:

Debris well before the piano keys. Looks like it landed short.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 646376 times:

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/oz10_zps05947503.jpg

User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 645670 times:

Looks like heavy bounce and slide damage to me

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 645963 times:

Looking at pics on CNN, debris started way before the threshold right on the edge of the water before runway started. Speculation of course but that says a lot about what might have caused it.


If you're going through hell, keep going
User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 645987 times:

This plane did not cartwheel.... People need to stop reporting that .... My guess is that everyone got out of this airplane with just minor injuries ... crossed fingers ...

User currently offlineconcordski From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 645987 times:

Looking at the live footage on CNN after the crash, it looks like the aircraft hit the ground right where the edge of the airport property meets the water which would suggest that the tail sheered off there. Looks like it just barely even made it to the airport threshold.

User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 645949 times:

Quoting NDiesel (Reply 108):

Hi guys,

I work for CNN and we're watching this thread closely now. Keep the information coming should you have any.

You're a news broadcaster taking information from an enthusiasts forum merely speculating on what's happened?


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 645805 times:

The picture of the plane on Wikipedia has 'Extended Range' painted on the rear fuselage, just aft of L4 door. So, is it a LR or ER?


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 643320 times:

Fox News has dug up some former NTSB investigator that sounds like he last worked a crash about 30 years ago and isn't anywhere near a TV or computer.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 93):
Unfortunately, given the fact the plane did flip over, there is going to be a casualty count, especially if you note a very visible crack near the center of the plane. Given most of the fuselage stayed intact, let's just hope the count is low.

The initial reports of the a/c flipping over seem to be incorrect since the plane ended up on its' belly and not on its' back. Eyewitness reports are also confirming that it did not flip over as early reports stated.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 643629 times:




Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 496 posts, RR: 8
Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 643264 times:

WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

The reporting on CNN has been absolutely ridiculous. They would do much better posting a job on a.net than using the fools who have taken up position behind a camera and microphone to report on this accident.



American Airlines, US Airways, Alaska Airlines, Northwest Airlines, America West Airlines, USAFR
User currently offlineairbusa346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 642896 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):

ER



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently onlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3807 posts, RR: 51
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 643859 times:

I've always wondered: how is customs and immigration handled after a crash like this? Will the passengers be brought to immigration from the crash site and then clear and then be brought to hospitals? Sounds like a stupid question, but actually, if something goes wrong and you end up in a hospital without clearing immigration first, you'll probably get problems on future visits to the USA, including being ineligible to ever use the Visa Waiver program again.

Soren   



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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 642894 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):
So, is it a LR or ER?

(ER).



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 643206 times:
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Anyone else think he got slow and just had an abnormal sink rate. It looks like the debris field starts way short of the normal touchdown zone. Hits the tail and rips it off?
Pat



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User currently offlinelppr95 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 642935 times:

Reminds me of BA38 a few years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38


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User currently offlinebioyuki From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 642714 times:

It looks like only two slides deployed...what's the evacuation rate/door for a 772?


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User currently offlinenicholasjet From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 643030 times:

I don't think it was the tail that hit the sea wall, the damage is off the centre line, it would have been the starboard nacelle, gear or trailing edge flap....

User currently offlinewarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 643570 times:

Quoting freeze3192 (Reply 53):
LiveATC SFO:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ksfo/KSFO-Twr-Jul-06-2013-1800Z.mp3

They check in at 21:00. They were coming in for 28L
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 57):
Picture of the crash landing itself:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOg1QPuCE...large

From the Live ATC audio and other information, it appears that the UA 744 in the picture is UA885 waiting for 28R. It appears they witnessed it and even spotted some people on 28L.

Looking at flight aware, it appears that Ua885 actually took off and left minutes afterwards. I'm surprised the aircraft wasn't taken back to the gate to be inspected for any damage...


User currently offlineairplanebrain From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 643188 times:

The video of the seawall and the debris is very telling. That runway will be closed for a while as they analyze the debris field. This appears to be the crux of the investigation.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 642670 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):
The picture of the plane on Wikipedia has 'Extended Range' painted on the rear fuselage, just aft of L4 door. So, is it a LR or ER?

Asiana Airlines doesn't have any LRs, only ERs. Check http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Asiana%20Airlines-active-b777.htm



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User currently offlinexaapb From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 642541 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):

777-200ER Asiana dosent have LR series.



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User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 642738 times:

Eyewitnesses saying it flipped remind me of UA 232 at SUX. It most likely did not flip; but at one point during the loss of control a wing or the empennage may have assumed an unusual attitude, leading (inexperienced?) casual observers to believe the airplane was cartwheeling. I would imagine some kind of unusual attitude occurred after losing the tail.


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User currently offlineFighterPilot From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1371 posts, RR: 23
Reply 153, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 642850 times:

Hopefully everyone is ok. I'm hoping that by the reports and pictures of passengers snapping pictures and taking their carry on while evacuating means that the crash wasn't as violent as it might seem. This crash reminds me of the AF 358 in YYZ that over ran the runway. All the post crash pictures look similar to each other.

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User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 639830 times:

http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/ktvu-live-news/vtSfR/?updated

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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7982 posts, RR: 5
Reply 155, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 639504 times:

One question that needs to be asked now: was there any wind shear warnings issued by the SFO tower any time within one hour before the crash? It looks like the plane experienced a hard impact that kind of reminded me of that unfortunate impact of a FedEx MD-11 freighter at NRT some yaers ago caused by wind shear.

User currently offlineNDiesel From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 639411 times:

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 136):
You're a news broadcaster taking information from an enthusiasts forum merely speculating on what's happened?

We're all speculating. We don't confirm it.



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User currently onlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1845 posts, RR: 9
Reply 157, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 639519 times:

Can anyone link an image of the seawall impact that's being discussed? I don't have TV access right now.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8189 posts, RR: 24
Reply 158, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 639568 times:

If pax are toting their carry-ons off the airplane, I'd wager everyone made it off okay.

Looks like everything aft of the pressure bulkhead was deposited elsewhere. Any landing you can walk away from, huh? Yeah.



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 159, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 639511 times:

Quoting NDiesel (Reply 108):
I work for CNN and we're watching this thread closely now. Keep the information coming should you have any.

In that case, get this presenter off the air coz she's just making it worse and making a fool of herself!

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 109):
Why does CNN's Richard Quest keep saying it is a -200 LR??

I have the right plane pictured, correct?

He's wrong and you have the right plane. Asiana doesn't operate 777LRs. There was a thread about that earlier today but now it has disappeared, they only have 772ERs.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 160, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 639370 times:

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 140):
WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

Would you hire an aviation expert for just 2 or 3 crashes a year?



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User currently offlinewroord From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 946 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 637027 times:

ABC News live coverage says that the plane was landing at an abnormal angle with the nose up and it hit the runway so hard that the tail broke off. No one knows if everyone onboard managed to run off before the fire, but let's hope for the best.

User currently offlineLLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 636699 times:

Where is the flight recorder located at 777 ? if it is near tail section that ripped off, it might be damaged beyond use?

User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8394 posts, RR: 3
Reply 163, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 636703 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 125):
Asiana does not have any B777-200(LR)s.

Flightaware and similar systems call it an 777-200LR. However that is WRONG. My post above stating 'allegedly LR' was wrong. It is a actually a Pratt ER according to multiple sources. AFAIK that is the only Asiana 777 type.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 164, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 636770 times:

Passengers : 290 Infant 1 Crew : 12 onboard according to Sky News.

User currently offlineogre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 718 posts, RR: 2
Reply 165, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 636667 times:

Too early, but it does look like the london crash to me.


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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1514 posts, RR: 1
Reply 166, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 636964 times:

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http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/ktvu-live-news/vtSfR/?updated



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User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 167, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 636920 times:

Quoting freeze3192 (Reply 53):
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ksfo/KSFO-Twr-Jul-06-2013-1800Z.mp3

22 minutes onwards. Wow.



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User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 168, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 636644 times:

Quoting nicholasjet (Reply 118):
it looks like a wheel caught the sea wall at the start of the runway/stopway/clearway area.

That would be consistent with what everything else CNN is showing. I have not seen that feed in the USA.

Where is the empennage? Awful big piece that we are not seeing on the video from CNN. Seems like it was cut off by something sharp, perhaps the seawall.

If the plane catches a wheel on the seawall, would it pitch nose-up and perhaps slam the empennage down on the seawall?

Landing lights and airfield structures are supposed to be frangible after the AA MD80 crash at LIT many years ago impacted a rigid steel light structure. Don't think landing lights would do it.

This "cartwheeling" report is perhaps actually "spinning" - cartwheeling would have destroyed the plane entirely.


User currently offlinegulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 169, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 636516 times:

Reassuring that the tail broke aft of the pressure dome. Fingers crossed!!!


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4992 posts, RR: 21
Reply 170, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 634069 times:

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 136):


You're a news broadcaster taking information from an enthusiasts forum merely speculating on what's happened?

There are quite a few people on here who know their stuff. A valuable resource, not the ONLY resource.

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 140):
WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

The reporting on CNN has been absolutely ridiculous. They would do much better posting a job on a.net than using the fools who have taken up position behind a camera and microphone to report on this accident.

It can be frustrating for the enthusiast who knows far more about this topic more than most people in a newsroom, but quite a few experts are just a phone call away. Should CNN have a resident Aviation Expert on staff for these thankfully rare occasions?



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User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 171, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 634302 times:

I'm listening to San Francisco FD/EMS , they are staring a water search via boat and helicopter. I'm not sure if they are looking for additional victims or parts of the plane for an investigation...


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User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 172, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 633923 times:

So far no mention on the website, no contact info for families. According to OZ nothing unusual has occurred.

Someone over there needs to get their act together!

http://us.flyasiana.com/Global/US/en/index



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 173, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 633703 times:
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Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 140):
WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

It's Saturday, I doubt they have experts sitting around everyday just in the rare case a plane crashes.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 156):
was there any wind shear warnings issued by the SFO tower any time within one hour before the crash?

I couldn't find anything to say that there was any wind shear. The METAR had light winds at the time of the report and winds all the way up to FL390 look pretty low.
Pat



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1451 posts, RR: 3
Reply 174, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 634271 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 161):
Would you hire an aviation expert for just 2 or 3 crashes a year?

That's why you pay a retainer and have someone on call. However, as much as American's love to complain about flying, you probably could justify a position...  



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User currently offlineillinicmi From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 175, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 633748 times:

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 163):
Where is the flight recorder located at 777 ? if it is near tail section that ripped off, it might be damaged beyond use?

Not sure exactly, but generally towards the tail. Anything is possible, but I'm guessing this impact is "minor" compared to what it is designed to survive.


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 176, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 633695 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 164):

Flightaware and similar systems call it an 777-200LR. However that is WRONG. My post above stating 'allegedly LR' was wrong. It is a actually a Pratt ER according to multiple sources. AFAIK that is the only Asiana 777 type.

Yes, PW4090 according to our database.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 177, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 630899 times:

Quoting airbusa346 (Reply 141):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):

ER
Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 143):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 137):
So, is it a LR or ER?

(ER).

I didn't think they had LR's, but CNN kept saying LR. I was perplexed.



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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 178, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 630885 times:

Definitely looks like it landed short and hit the rocks ....

User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 179, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 630849 times:

I agree Karel. No way that flipped having the wings and everything in such good condition, relatively speaking.

It looks like the photos being shown and obviously the live feed is all after fire. The initial pictures I have seen were all no fire damage, which to me says more than likely all were able to get off prior to the fire as long as they were not injured or killed during the accident itself.

They showed a live feed of the banks just prior to the runway and there is debris on it and in the water. My WAG is that it landed short, hit the embankment and ripped the tail of then skidded further down the runway to its present location.



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Reply 180, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 630990 times:

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 140):

WHY CANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS ACTUALLY HAVE AVIATION EXPERTS ON STAFF?

The reporting on CNN has been absolutely ridiculous. They would do much better posting a job on a.net than using the fools who have taken up position behind a camera and microphone to report on this accident.

I bet CNN wishes that they wouldn't have disbanded their science and technology unit, as Miles O'Brien was their go-to guy for events like this and he was let go back in 2008. He covered a number of plane crashes for them over the years and even if he couldn't be in the studio, he would report via phone.


User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 181, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 630895 times:

You're light, favorable winds and wx, a long runway in front of you, you land short. Why? What the hell.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10633 posts, RR: 30
Reply 182, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 631237 times:

"At this time, we have no fatalities, one critical already airlifted and at San Fran General."

http://twitter.com/SoCalEMSFire/status/353599674097205249



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User currently offlineWNwatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 183, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 630908 times:

Anyone else notice that Number 1 engine isn't visible on any shots?


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