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BA Training Flights For A380 And B787  
User currently offlineuta999 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 71 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 31488 times:
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I cannot believe BA have not flown their shiny new planes from Heathrow yet.

It's been nearly two weeks. Are they really that different from previous new planes joining the fleet?

Why not simply sub them into the fleet now? They have had four years to plan for this.

It cannot take three months to train crews, that already fly A and B types.

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User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 31208 times:

They have not been flown but the A380 has not been sitting around doing nothing. Today is the seconf day it has been in T5 for gound trails etc. It has also simunlated a LAX flight with staff as pax.
Most training is for Ground and Cabin Crew more than flight crew.


User currently offlinee195 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 190 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 31167 times:
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The ground flight to LAX (without moving) was very nice indeed.


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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3527 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 31122 times:

Quoting uta999 (Thread starter):
I cannot believe BA have not flown their shiny new planes from Heathrow yet.

It's been nearly two weeks. Are they really that different from previous new planes joining the fleet?

Why not simply sub them into the fleet now? They have had four years to plan for this.

It cannot take three months to train crews, that already fly A and B types.

If passengers on the first flight don't receive the service they feel entitled to the whole World will soon know via Twitter & Facebook.
It might all look very easy, but the galley layouts and stowages will be different to anything the crews have operated before, they need to know how things work, where they are etc in order that they can efficiently operate from day 1. It won't take three months and hasn't been timetabled as such. The first publicised definite flights for the A380 are approx. 2.5 months from delivery, quite a few short haul flights will take place before then.

Everyone needs to know how to handle a new aircraft, the ground crew need to be able to get the baggage on board the plane has to push back without hitting anyone, the terminal staff need to direct passengers to the right airbridge.


User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7363 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 30887 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
It might all look very easy, but the galley layouts and stowages will be different to anything the crews have operated before, they need to know how things work, where they are etc in order that they can efficiently operate from day 1.

Sounds as if BA learnt a lot from when they launched their last major introduction to their operations, T5.

Quoting Lofty (Reply 1):
It has also simunlated a LAX flight with staff as pax.

Sounds a much better way than training cabin crew and other ground staff on an old frame that is different to anything they will actually encounter:


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This training programme, however, is in stark contrast to the flight programme of the last BA introduction of a totally new type, the 777.

G-ZZZA was delivered on 20 May 1996. It arrived at LHR on its delivery flight on 21 May. The next day, 22 May, it operated its first revenue flight, BA123 (LHR-DXB-MCT).

In the period 23 May to 11 June it operated every day. Over the next few days it completed a further four LHR-DXB-MCT-DXB-LHR rotations. It also flew two rotations to RUH, four to CAI and three to JED. On completion of the last of these rotations to JED on 5 June it operated its first short-haul revenue "training" rotation to CDG (BA322/23) before commencing its next rotation to RUH that same evening.

On its return from RUH it again operated a rotation to CDG on 6 June. It then took a brief rest before flying off on the BA123 four-flight rotation on the evening of 7 June. On the following four days it again operated the four-sector BA123/22 rotation. So when it landed at LHR early in the morning of 12 June, the twenty-second day after its arrival at LHR, it had completed 64 revenue sector flights in just three weeks.

I guess that a part of the reason for the differences between the 772A and 380 launch programmes is that with its large fleet of bigger 742s and 744s the 772A offered no new challenges to BA in terms of pre-boarding, boarding and disembarkation. And here it is not just a matter of the numerical difference between 281 and 469 passengers. The logistics of boarding and disembarking those passengers onto a 380 will be entirely different to anything they have previously experienced.

We can be sure that the British media will cover the inaugural 380 flight to LAX. It looks as if BA are determined to do everything they can to ensure that it will be a very smooth operation and that the Daily Mail is given no opportunity to denigrate their operations..


User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 30719 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
It looks as if BA are determined to do everything they can to ensure that it will be a very smooth operation and that the Daily Mail is given no opportunity to denigrate their operations..

For sure but to be fair the Daily Mail do seem a little less harsh in their critique these days.

I think they realised that whilst having its obvious advantages two runway LHR pre Terminal 5 was not the easiest place to run an airline like BA.


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 30645 times:
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Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
This training programme, however, is in stark contrast to the flight programme of the last BA introduction of a totally new type, the 777.

G-ZZZA was delivered on 20 May 1996. It arrived at LHR on its delivery flight on 21 May. The next day, 22 May, it operated its first revenue flight, BA123 (LHR-DXB-MCT)

The current programme is different to the 777's introduction, but while G-ZZZA did go straight onto long-haul ops (albeit non-ETOPS ones due to issues with the GE90 at the time) but it wasn't the first 777 delivered to BA.

Since BA was the first customer of the GE90 engines it's aircraft first 2 aircraft were involved in the certification of the type, and were delivered last out of the initial batch.

The initial introduction of the 777 at BA was purely short-haul to build experience, exactly the same as with the A380 and 787, but for a far shorter timespan - the 777 did almost immediately start long-haul operations to Dubai and Muscat in November 1995. This was probably more due to the lateness of the aircraft and BA allowing themselves to be rushed to get the plane into service.

In terms of delivery dates;

G-ZZZC 11 Nov 1995
G-ZZZD 28 Dec 1995
G-ZZZE 12 Jan 1996
G-ZZZA 20 May 1996
G-ZZZB 28 Mar 1997

The 777's introduction at BA was a bit of a mess, as these articles from the time show;
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%202455.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%202813.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%203177.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%203431.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%203682.html

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 793 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 30557 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
This training programme, however, is in stark contrast to the flight programme of the last BA introduction of a totally new type, the 777.

Thanks for that, that was a great run down and perspective on it. I do understand this however why such caution with the 787?

Also, Singapore Airlines took delivery of 9V-SKA on the 16/10/07 and it entered service SIN-SYD on the 25/10/07. I seem to remember SQ stating its A380s as having the highest dispatch reliability in it's fleet in 2008.

With Qantas, VH-OQA was delivered on the 19/09/08 and entered service MEL-LAX on the 20/10/08.

What are BA so afraid of?

Thanks

[Edited 2013-07-11 06:01:53]


A380 Crew
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10335 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30363 times:

Quoting uta999 (Thread starter):
It's been nearly two weeks.

Test flights to Manston are slated for next week.



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User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 30359 times:

Training flight for B787 is LHR - ARN

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User currently offlinetheobcman From UK - England, joined Nov 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 day ago) and read 30083 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 9):

Are there any dates for LHR-ARN 787 ops yet ??

Or will it be a BA secret surprise when you turn up at the gate to board an A320 ???


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1412 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 23 hours ago) and read 29257 times:

Dates and flight details for the B787 short haul ops have been revealed to some crew who have been rostered to operate them next month!

However to avoid disappointment they are not to be published just in case for whatever reason the aircraft has to be removed and replaced with its normal scheduled equipment!



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User currently offlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 22 hours ago) and read 28763 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 6):
The initial introduction of the 777 at BA was purely short-haul to build experience, exactly the same as with the A380 and 787, but for a far shorter timespan - the 777 did almost immediately start long-haul operations to Dubai and Muscat in November 1995. This was probably more due to the lateness of the aircraft and BA allowing themselves to be rushed to get the plane into service.

In terms of delivery dates;

G-ZZZC 11 Nov 1995
G-ZZZD 28 Dec 1995
G-ZZZE 12 Jan 1996
G-ZZZA 20 May 1996
G-ZZZB 28 Mar 1997

Yes, and it wasn't all plane sailing. I was on 'ZZC in Jan 96, and we left for an evening CDG flight very late because of an engine issue. I recall either the FO or captain blaming the newness of the aircraft and the engineering department's unfamiliarity that meant the delay was going to be quite long.


User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7363 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (1 year 20 hours ago) and read 27627 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 6):
The current programme is different to the 777's introduction, but while G-ZZZA did go straight onto long-haul ops (albeit non-ETOPS ones due to issues with the GE90 at the time) but it wasn't the first 777 delivered to BA.

Thanks for the correction. I had a recollection that Boeing retained the first BA 772A like it retained their first 763. But that was my mistake. It was not the first but the first two 772As that were held back and I did not check that.

The introduction into service for G-ZZZC was rather different to that of 'ZA. Its delivery flight arrived at LHR on 12 November 1995. It entered service five days later when on 17 November it flew off on the LHR-DXB-MCT (Muscat, Oman)-DXB-LHR (BA123/22) rotation.

It then operated BA123/22 on each of the following four days. After it arrived back at LHR on 21 November it visited BA's Engineering Base.

On the evening of 22 November it returned to service operating LHR-DXB-MCT (BA123). It was then again dedicated to the BA123/22 rotation for the next seven days.

When it returned to LHR on 28 November it operated LHR-RVN -LHR that day using its registration as its call sign. This is a rather early for a charter to see Father Christmas and the call-sign is not a standard BA charter call sign. So I wonder if this was a cold climate test flight.

On the following day (29 November) it was flown to and from SNN (call sign BAW9563/64) for flight crew training.

On 30 November it returned to scheduled operations and was again dedicated to the BA123/22 rotation. Apart from when it visited maintenance on 5/6 December it continued to operate this rotation until it returned to LHR early on 12 December. It then paid another quick visit to BA Maintenance before returning to the BA123/22 rotation on the evening of 13 December. It was again dedicated to this rotation operating it every day until 8 January except on 19/20, 25/26 and 26/27 December.

On arriving at LHR on 8 January it again visited BA Maintenance returning to service on the morning of 11 January when it operated three LHR-CDG-LHR rotations (BA304/05, BA314/15 and BA322/23). These were its first scheduled short-haul "training" flights. The three rotations were then flown on the next four days up to and including 17 January except on the thirteenth when it did not operate the first CDG rotation of the day.

Quoting avion660 (Reply 12):
Yes, and it wasn't all plane sailing. I was on 'ZZC in Jan 96, and we left for an evening CDG flight very late because of an engine issue.

I believe you were quite unlucky. I am assuming your flight was BA322 on 16 January, As far as I can determine this flight and the return BA323 that both operated between 3 and 4 hours behind schedule were the only flights in the first three months of operation that were seriously delayed.

After the CDG rotations 'ZC returned to mid-haul operations on 18 January when it was temporarily dedicated to the LHR-CAI-LHR (BA155/54) rotation. On completing the flight from CAI on 20 January it was rededicated to the three training rotations to CDG except for a single LHR-DXB-MCT-DXB-LHR rotation on 23/24 January.

I believe the last CDG rotation was on 27 January. After that it operated to DXB/MCT or to CAI except on 9 February when it operated to and from SNN as BA9489/90 purely for training purposes. This may have been its last training flight at least until the fleet was expanded and the need for trained flight crew grew.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10335 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 hours ago) and read 26414 times:

LHR-FRA will be operated by the A380 on the following dates:

August the 21st will be operated on flight BA910
August the 22nd will be operated on flight BA902

Subject to change.

[Edited 2013-07-12 00:49:11]


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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2725 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 hours ago) and read 26317 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 11):
Dates and flight details for the B787 short haul ops have been revealed to some crew who have been rostered to operate them next month!

However to avoid disappointment they are not to be published just in case for whatever reason the aircraft has to be removed and replaced with its normal scheduled equipment!

We need an aviation version of Assange... BALeaks   

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
LHR-FRA will be operated by the A380 on the following dates:

August the 21st will be operated on flight BA910
August the 22nd will be operated on flight BA902

Dang, I´m just returning from SIN that week, fares doesn´t look too bad but I will be too wrecked (and poor), hopefully BA will do some more afterwards.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 hours ago) and read 26316 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 13):
I am assuming your flight was BA322

spot on.

And thanks for the detailed listing: very interesting.

[Edited 2013-07-12 00:38:17]

User currently offlineuta999 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 hours ago) and read 26023 times:
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Come on BA...

Both the 787 and A380 have been flying with other carriers for over two years! They normally enter service just a week after delivery, sometimes two or three days.

Its like buying a new car, then leaving on the drive for a month.

The longer they leave it, the greater the press hype when it happens.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10335 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25622 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 8):
Test flights to Manston are slated for next week.

The BA A380 is scheduled to arrive in Manston on Monday.

http://www.facebook.com/ManstonAirport/posts/604764342901047



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User currently offlineBA677 From UK - England, joined Jan 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 25317 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 18):
The BA A380 is scheduled to arrive in Manston on Monday.



And so are the Red Arrows scheduled to arrive at Manston at 12 aswell on Monday. Then only to Depart again at 3   

http://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/teamnews/...5CE99B0-5056-A318-A87D19EF1F04A2FE

[Edited 2013-07-13 14:08:46]

[Edited 2013-07-13 14:10:12]

User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 25183 times:

Lots of A380 action at MSE next week, a full team of BA staff are relocating to MSE for the week, from crew to ground and handling and trainers.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10335 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 24621 times:

G-XLEA airborne, this is the first BA test flight.

http://fr24.com/BAW380

http://oi39.tinypic.com/13zyftd.jpg



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User currently offlineuta999 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 24569 times:
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She is on her way back to Airbus in Toulouse

That can't be good


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10335 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 24559 times:

No, FR24 still shows the path from July 4.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10335 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24367 times:

G-XLEA made a touch & go at Vatry Chalons Airport.


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25 gazzadon : G-XLEA is showing on flightradar that it is bound for LHR at 12:07 GMT but i thought it was going to MSE at 12:05 for training..
26 hotplane : Flight number is the same as the delivery, hence it shows up as TLS-LHR. It's based at Manston until the 29th. Will be doing flights to Vatry and Chae
27 gazzadon : just double checked and you are spot on.
28 hotplane : There's a notam for a photo shoot with the Red Arrows over the North sea close to Manston between 1500 & 1600.
29 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Done & done.
30 by738 : I remember they did the same publicity pics with red arrows with Concorde and QE2 !
31 Post contains images BA677 : My thoughts came true.
32 psimpson : Also the BA A380 is planned to do a flypast at RIAT Fairford this Saturday 20th July accompanied by the Red Arrows.
33 hotplane : Think that was just a missed approach.
34 evomutant : What's the point of the Red Arrows gimmicks? Must cost them a fortune to hire them out, and for what?
35 speedmarque : Because its fun and makes people feel good to see. What's the point of anything. Be happy!
36 APYu : The cost of the red arrows could have been used to increase the redundancy offer made to the pursers?
37 jumpjets : Sad as it is that people are being made redundant the cost argument you put forward could be applied to all marketing expenditure [because when all s
38 shankly : I wonder what its like to go through life with a pint half full mentality? The sun is out, BA has taken delivery of its most important plane since th
39 evomutant : I just think it's overkill for an aircraft that has been in operational service with many carriers around the world for years. It's not a novelty any
40 Post contains images hotplane : They're off.
41 Post contains images trent900 : Currently just out of Dover. Look how low they are! I'd love to be watching this from the cliffs. Aircraft(A388) Airbus A380-841 Registration(40688B)
42 VV701 : I believe there are two purposes for the A 380 / Red Arrows sortie over the North Sea today., Monday. One is a photo opportunity that will be used fo
43 GDB : BA have a long relationship with the Red Arrows, most notably during the Concorde era where we did several shoots with them and the 2002 Golden Jubil
44 APYu : We can all admire the photos while waiting in the queues at terminal 5. But if they can attach a banner to the back of it announcing the reinstatement
45 Post contains links KarelXWB : Pictures of the landing at Manston can be found here: http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/sto...013-07-15/a380-to-land-at-manston/
46 AT : What an exciting time for BA- two all-new fleet types, the A380 and 787 within the same year. Will any of the 787s by the way have a First Class cabin
47 Post contains links KarelXWB : Check http://www.seatplans.com/airlines/british-airways/seatplans/B787 for a seat map.
48 Johnwaynebobbet : Correct the 787 arrived a few days before and will open up new emerging markets that have not been viable up to now. Hence the vast difference in ord
49 Johnwaynebobbet : Its one up on Dickie, they are rubbing his nose in it just as he would if the ball was on the other foot.
50 GDB : Maybe in an understated way, me, I'd use quotes from all of Branson's BS from the time he ordered A380's, about being the first UK A380 operator, all
51 VV701 : I believe that BA have orders in hand for six 767 8s, 18 787 9s, twelve 787 10s and a further 6 frames of which the type has yet to be announced or f
52 jumpjets : Can anyone shed any light why those two particular airports were chosen for A380 training flights?[Edited 2013-07-16 03:02:16]
53 BA777 : I have flown into Vatry before, huge runway and minimal traffic.
54 bluesky73 : I still think an air to air shot of G-XLEA with G-ZBJA & JB on each wingtip flying in formation would be great. We had the famous picture of 4 Con
55 VV701 : I think this is also true of CHR and MSE: Chateauroux runway: 3,500m Chateauxroux ops: Seasonal flight to Ajaccio Manston runway: 2,748m Manston ops:
56 RebelDJ : Love it! "At the moment there are no plans for British Airways to operate any scheduled flights out of Manston"
57 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here, the A380 with a Red Arrow: http://twitter.com/LHRDirector/status/357101286526685185/photo/1
58 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : One more: http://www.kentnews.co.uk/news/a380_...?id=1&storyId=1.2282410.1374046356
59 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Found another one: http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/357427806990381056/photo/1
60 jumpjets : Thanks for sharing - the one over the white cliffs [even though there isn't a red arrow in sight] is my favourite.
61 uta999 : How are BA doing with the two new 787s at Heathrow? They must need a lot of training, even though its been in service with other carriers for over two
62 hotplane : ZBJA is up for a spin, headed north as BA9174. Due back LHR around 6pm
63 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The 787 is finally in the air. http://fr24.com/BAW9159
64 hotplane : Flew on Saturday! See post above.
65 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The A380 will operate LHR-FRA tomorrow. http://twitter.com/Airport_FRA/status/362179644604157952 Oops [Edited 2013-07-30 13:09:25]
66 Post contains links EI320 : Nice shot of the A380 and A318 nose-to-nose at SNN today: http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013/0730/465480-ba-airbus-shannon/[Edited 2013-07-30 13:35:
67 Post contains links KarelXWB : More pictures in Cardiff: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23497181[Edited 2013-07-30 13:37:01]
68 EI320 : Link corrected! .
69 Speedbored : That's a great picture.
70 visualapproach : Not today, more than likely the first service will leave LHR on Friday.
71 baw716 : The idea of BA doing ground trials with both aircraft (especially the 380) make great sense. The 380 is a completely different airplane and there are
72 KarelXWB : Well that was misleading from @Airport_FRA!
73 airbuseric : No, it was not. BA..com also clearly mentioned aircraft type 388 for the specific LHR-FRA vv run today. There must have been issues forcing BA to re-
74 Johnwaynebobbet : Bigger fool them then.
75 Lofty : Both B787 have had technical issues its not training but 1 of them is now OK.
76 Post contains images Speedbored : Ssssshhhhh. Let's not start another one of those discussions.
77 uta999 : Technical issues... Such as?
78 VV701 : 380 'EA operated the following flight crew training flights: 15 July: LHR-XCR-CHR-MSE 16 July: MSE-XCR-CHR-MSE 17 July: MSE-XCR-CHR-MSE 18 July: MSE-
79 visualapproach : It's now public knowledge, BA902 and BA903 are operated by the A380 on Friday, the first revenue service for BA. Yours truly will be representing, so
80 BA777 : Also 910 and 911 it seems.
81 hotplane : 902 now listed as A380 on ba.com. Hooray!
82 visualapproach : Are you also going to be first to fly?
83 hotplane : May do. Fares seem to have gone up for some reason!
84 seansasLCY : Does anybody know when we can expect the 787ARN flights?[Edited 2013-07-31 07:47:23]
85 hotplane : 787 to ARN, isn't it?
86 seansasLCY : Sorry thats what I meant! I'll edit!
87 Post contains images BA677 : Just tried to book a return LHR FRA with Avios but they want £112.10 in taxes etc.
88 rutankrd : Tough - That sounds quite reasonable to me !
89 sk736 : I've just tried and it's given me a reward flight saver fare of £35 + Avios.
90 BA677 : Thought it would be the usual £35 for a European reward flight. Gess that goes up then if you book last minute?
91 BA677 : I tried again and its still £112.10. What flights are you choosing ?
92 GDB : Nothing major and nothing to do with this year's 787 issues.
93 jumpjets : Does anyone know how BA is treating the ELT issue? Have they checked theirs for pinched wires already? Are they test flying the 787s with the ELT immo
94 Post contains images airbuseric : Lol, I'm not on it (too expensive, hassle and I've flown numerous A380s), so no rush needed to beat me with the TR
95 RussianJet : It was a real pleasure to see her at STN the other day. Looked very out of place indeed.
96 tugmaster : Try two singles... LHR BA910 FRA FRA BA911 LHR Both are available for £17.50 each way.... Bargain.
97 Post contains images KarelXWB : I see £186 for a one trip LHR-FRA.
98 Speedbored : I just tried a dummy booking via the Executive Club and it's showing me 4500 Avios + £17.50. Are you trying to book with Avios from the Executive Cl
99 KarelXWB : Yes I'm browsing on ba.com
100 BA777 : Yep booking with Avios you can come back on the A380 on BA911 tomorrow but the BA902 is full, no surprise there! Return using 9000 avios and £35.
101 Speedbored : Ah. That explains it. The £17.50 price quote was for mileage redemption flights via the Executive Club using Avios miles. The cash-only prices via t
102 Post contains links LH422 : Here's the first picture from FRA: http://fraaviation.forumsfree.de/t11616-02082013
103 LZ129 : I just saw LEA during one of our sight seeing tours at FRA and I have to say: She is certainly the most beautiful A380 around! I'm not sure if it's be
104 sassiciai : She is on her way back to LHR, just about to overfly Brussels (and me) at flight level 320, ETA at LHR 12.30 local time
105 Post contains links KarelXWB : Pictures from FRA: http://www.flickr.com/photos/axel_j/9419854265/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/axel_j/9419853187/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/axel_j
106 RedChili : My guess is 9 August.
107 hotplane : Bloody bumpy climbing out of LHR this morning. Lightning about as well.
108 KarelXWB : The A380 will operate a second flight to FRA on August 4. BA902 LHR0645-0930FRA 388 BA903 FRA1110-1150LHR 388
109 richardw : I was on BA910 today, my first A380 flight. I politely asked for a look at the upper deck, but this was refused. A great flight today, think I'd choos
110 TristarSteve : I think that is policy. The fwd staircase is not be used at all, because it goes into first class. And the rear staircase is discouraged. The aircraf
111 Post contains links visualapproach : My understanding from today was that BA wanted to keep it "under wraps" before the inaugural flight to LAX. Some people were allowed a 'quick tour' b
112 uta999 : Both BA 787s are flying today. One from LHR, over Scotland, the other from Manston, currently over northern France.
113 richardw : It was good to see a TG A380 at FRA earlier today, which was another first for me and a LH 748i, so all in all a good trip to FRA and still some avios
114 nimool : Saw the G-XLEA yesterday 2nd august, coming from FRA!
115 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Excellent. Glad to hear you got to experience the new BA Moby. I was given a "no pictures allowed" tour as a Airbus chalet guest at the Paris Air Sho
116 Post contains images MadameConcorde : The whole FlyerTalk board are filling up the A380 with Avios a great many of them flying in Club World.
117 Post contains images Btblue : I was at Heathrow today... by sheer chance caught this little beauty on it's way north. It was about 26,000 ft over the Midlands when I checked on Pla
118 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Nice catch! Thank you for posting.
119 Post contains images vhtje : Oh no - we just booked BA902 and BA911 for tomorrow on the spur of the moment: It was a hideously expensive fare - the tickets came in around £440 pe
120 hotplane : Flight duration is more like 1hr 5mins. Not long enough to enjoy it!
121 Btblue : Get some pictures!
122 shankly : On the 910 tomorrow and back on the 903 tues with my 8yr old son; both scheduled A380 so fingers X'd
123 Btblue : Does anybody know if the A380 is going to be operating on the JFK route in November? I'm holding back on booking a trip just in case I can get a ride
124 bongodog1964 : The routes announced so far are LAX, HKG & JNB JFK is years away if its ever going to feature at all.
125 Post contains images Btblue : Very welcome Madame.
126 Btblue : I thought as much but was hoping that maybe it would be doing a few trips. I'll have to see if the 787 does a few routes instead. Thanks for the info
127 Johnwaynebobbet : I dont think you will see the 787 going to JFK anytime soon either. Its lack of a First cabin on a premium heavy route means its unlikely to go there
128 sunrisevalley : I believe the initial cities are YYZ and EWR. I am shaking my piggy bank to see if premium economy is possible from YYZ late on Dec 24 to have Christ
129 jumpjets : If your only criteria is to go to New York then swap to LHR-EWR rather than JFK and there will be a daily 787 for you to sample.
130 hotplane : More ground testing for the A380 this afternoon with 'flight' BA9200 to Nice at 15.00
131 Post contains images n729pa : for £410 you could go to DXB on a QF A380 and come back on a EK one.....! ...I hope you enjoyed, I wanted to do that flight but not for £400+
132 shankly : £70 with AVIOS for me and the lad....best £70 I've spent in ages 77 passengers on an A380....once in a lifetime experience!
133 gkirk : A 787 is due into Newcastle tomorrow, arrives at 10am, leaves at 1pm.
134 hotplane : Should be leaving LHR at 16.05L for NCL and EDI.
135 BA777 : So are we a couple of weeks away from the 787 going to ARN do we think?
136 RedChili : On the BA booking engine, I can see on 9 August a 787 listed on BA 780 LHR-ARN, and BA 781 back. It's the flight which is usually operated by a 763.
137 Post contains images RedChili : Last week, Qatar came with their first 788 to ARN. First QR 788 arriving: This week, BA is visiting. And soon, DY will start flights.
138 B738flyUIA : Nice pic... the same ac was here in ZRH on the 14. Jan 13. Remember that cold early morning.
139 Post contains images B738flyUIA : back to post. Today in local Radio they mentioned that BA wanted to come to ZRH with the A380. Negative told the local airport authorities as in Dock
140 hotplane : ZBJA is doing the BA1463 EDI flight tonight. First commercial flight.
141 gkirk : Currently doing a flypast at RR and EMA before heading to NCL. ETA 10am, it'll then depart NCL for EDI at approx 1pm.
142 BA777 : Very nice, when we hear about more flights I'd be very interested as I'd like to try and get on one soon.
143 VV701 : Circled for around 20 minutes west of Peterborough before making several passes over the RR factory at Derby at between 1,100 and 1,800 feet.
144 Post contains images RedChili : Flight BA780 arriving at ARN today. I believe this was the first BA 788 flight with passengers on board?
145 gkirk : Scheduled flight yes. There was an EDI-EDI charter flown yesterday with people onboard
146 hotplane : ZBJA is doing ARN today. First pax flight for this one.
147 Tristarsteve : All the A380 FRA flights so far have been with lower deck only. The upper deck has been blocked off. The BA910 and 911 on Thursday 15th will be operat
148 AA777 : What a beauty. I was so lucky as to see one of BA's new A380s parked at a remote stand by the hangars at LHR, next to a bunch of 744s. Incredible, ho
149 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : G-ZBJB in Newcastle. http://twitter.com/VatsimUK_Pilots/status/367671069882060801
150 N14AZ : ??? Please tell me that you forgot to add the smiley in your post.
151 KarelXWB : I've been fooled by a flight simulator model.
152 hotplane : Any more A380 upper deck only flights planned?
153 VV701 : There have been 17 revenue generating rotations completed by 'EA between LHR and FRA with its upper deck blocked off. So I would expect to see quite
154 Post contains images N14AZ : But by a pretty good picture.
155 Post contains links TheReckoner : 787 at NCL: http://flic.kr/p/fqqW4X
156 sassiciai : Can any BA insider tell us of any first impressions that BA has of these two new types. I know that neither is flying sectors that it is designed for,
157 DUSint : I am booked on BA0903 (A380 FRA-LHR) and BA0780 (B787 LHR-ARN) on Wednesday, 21st. Now, while the seatmap on BA works perfectly for the A380, I have t
158 Post contains links IanWylie : BA911 arriving on 27L last night (Friday): http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianwylie/9530180416/lightbox/
159 tonystan : There are a few selected non 787 days next week on the ARN. I know Monday and Tuesday are definitely going to be operated as a 787 but after that I'm
160 DUSint : Yes, thanks, Wednesday is also shown as "Boeing 787 jet" - however, the seatmap doesn't work for me. Oh well, so I will save the GBP 10,-...
161 Tristarsteve : Yes BA910/911 on 20 August. Are you sure? All our system shows B787 every day, would love to know. I can have a day off!
162 tonystan : Lol, some crew have already had their "non spec serv" days removed and replaced! Who knows though?
163 n729pa : I tried the A380 to FRA on Fri, very very hot cabin on board as we were boarding, it was funny looking at everyone's faces as they got down the back o
164 Post contains images afriwing : Oh noo .. I've booked on the 21st Aug BA902/903 thinking it might be upper deck Any idea when are the other upper deck flights? .. looks like I'll ha
165 DUSint : The BA-seatmap for BA780 on the 21st works now. One funny thing I notice is the ability to choose seats in WT+ while having booked Y only...
166 runway23 : None of BA's widebodies have air vents.
167 n729pa : Interesting. Thanks for that information. I don't normally fly BA longhaul, (last time was 1986) so never knew that.
168 UALWN : While arriving yesterday to FRA on an SQ A380, I saw one of BA's A380 at one of the gates. Very sharp looking!
169 n729pa : Does anyone know how much longer the 787 flights to ARN will last please?
170 B747forever : The 787 will be used on BA780/781 until 8/31.
171 Post contains links hotplane : A380 FRA flights extended to October. www.airlineroute.net/2013/08/21/ba-3...A+airlineroutenews+(Airline+Route)
172 Lofty : The B787 first LH flight will be the BA093 on the 1st Sep
173 hotplane : I've heard tomorrow's 902 is upper deck only.
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