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Emirates Launches A New Route - Kiev  
User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4802 posts, RR: 44
Posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10551 times:

Dear All,

This is to inform you that Emirates today has officially announced that it shall be launching a new nonstop service to KBP-Kiev, Ukraine effective 16JAN14 as the carrier looks to rapidly tap emerging markets in the ex Soviet Bloc which have good demand to DXB + beyond to SE Asia in particular.

Flights shall be operated on a daily basis using an A340-500 with the below mentioned schedule which has already been uploaded on all across major GDS systems for sale.

EK 171 Dep DXB 1715 Arr KBP 2035
EK 172 Dep KBP 2210 Arr DXB 0455+1

Currently on this route, FZ operates a daily service departing DXB at 0920 and PS operates 5 times per week

FYI the market size demand between KBP and DXB over the past one year was 80,000 passengers !

Rgds
Behramjee

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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10435 times:

Good news for KBP and Ukrainian pax. Cant help but notice that EK is moving more and more into FZ territories... I guess its a matter of time before we see them moving into thinner but growing Eastern European and African points as well.


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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10277 times:

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
A340-500

Nice equipment choice! I thought it would have been the 330 they started it on.



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User currently offlineAyostoLeon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9679 times:

Interesting timing, avoiding the peak departure banks at DXB and not being in the middle of a peak arrivals bank either.

Despite being dated, I do like the A345. Will it be operating with full FJY service? I guess the choice of aircraft type is in part driven by the planned phasing out of the A332s?


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9102 times:

Quoting AyostoLeon (Reply 3):
Interesting timing, avoiding the peak departure banks at DXB and not being in the middle of a peak arrivals bank either

Perhaps this is a utilization play for a plane that would otherwise RON at DXB? Relatively short hop for a plane with such long legs. Does EK operate the 345 on many other routes of similar distance?



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User currently onlinevinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8920 times:

emirates really baffles me! whilst I understand the attraction of under served market, there are many more western destinations that in my opinion would be way more lucrative. BRU anyone with its lackluster connections to anywhere in Asia for example?

Wish them good luck nevertheless!


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1811 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8618 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 4):
Does EK operate the 345 on many other routes of similar distance?

DXB-LYS is also operated by A345.



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4802 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 5):
BRU anyone with its lackluster connections to anywhere in Asia for example?

100% agree but BRU would not work for any airline with a 2000 arrival into BRU and that too a long haul service.

Remember EK's fleet from a rotational stand point (a345 in this case) may only be free between that duration period hence a route with DXB-KBP flying time range would picked as its shorter than DXB-BRU.

Potential in BRU for EK is a no brainer but would only work if they depart DXB at either their 0300-0400 hub wave bank or 0800-0930 hub wave bank. They will get very high S/F in F/J class along with cargo and can have a real negative effect on the market share of QR/EY/KL/LH/LX etc to Asia in particular. With 9W now most likely pulling out of BRU, this is one opportunity just waiting for EK to exploit to its fullest extent !


User currently offlineAyostoLeon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8423 times:

"Does EK operate the 345 on many other routes of similar distance?"
I don't have a complete listing but some of the routes operated with an A345 in recent times include:
BEY, EBB, HYD, LYS, NBO, SEZ, TUN, VCE and VIE.


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8330 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 7):
Potential in BRU for EK is a no brainer but would only work if they depart DXB at either their 0300-0400 hub wave bank or 0800-0930 hub wave bank. They will get very high S/F in F/J class along with cargo and can have a real negative effect on the market share of QR/EY/KL/LH/LX etc to Asia in particular. With 9W now most likely pulling out of BRU, this is one opportunity just waiting for EK to exploit to its fullest extent !

Although I agree EK would have a large impact on other airlines in BRU, I just don't think it would be to the extent that you describe.

When EK started flights to DUB, everyone thought the same for the other Middle East service with EY, however in fact both routes have grown.

BRU has a large catchment area, including that of AMS. Due to its proximity to AMS, people in the dutch and Flemish regions often compare prices from both airports.


User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8128 times:

They operate the 345 to BEY as well. EK move was preceded by FlyDubai announcing IEV ops, alongside KBP. I guess now FZ will fly to IEV and pull-out from KBP once EK starts flights.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13260 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7835 times:
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This is a route we've speculated on for a bit. Good to hear.

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
Flights shall be operated on a daily basis using an A340-500

I bet not for long.   (I think the A345s will be parted out within 3 years.)

Quoting AyostoLeon (Reply 3):

Interesting timing, avoiding the peak departure banks at DXB and not being in the middle of a peak arrivals bank either.

Huh? It is in the middle of the 4am to 7am arrivals bank which has great connections. That is in the #2 arrivals bank. It is the regional departure bank which will have poor Asia connections.

So there will be a long layover for many passengers, for IMHO, the 4am to 7am arrival bank from Asia is most likely to feed this flight at DXB, but this flight is well timed for mid-east connections:

Emirates At DXB - Ultimate Operational Analysis (by HB-IWC Sep 27 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 4):
Does EK operate the 345 on many other routes of similar distance?

EK no longer flies the A345 long haul. From the link (which dates back to 2010)

The most striking example of changing priorities in fleet planning at Emirates is exemplified by the airline’s 10-strong fleet of ultra longhaul Airbus A340-500 aircraft. Once hailed as the airline’s flagship and deployed on some of its most prestigious ultra longhaul nonstops, this aircraft has now been relegated to a secondary role with very similar characteristics to those of the A343 fleet.

The fuel burn of the A345 is too high for long haul. In particular as EK has a *massive* 77W fleet, enough 77Ls, and a growing body of A380s for long haul.

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 5):

emirates really baffles me! whilst I understand the attraction of under served market, there are many more western destinations that in my opinion would be way more lucrative.

Not for the premium cabin.

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 5):
BRU anyone with its lackluster connections to anywhere in Asia for example?

Just wait. EK is getting flack for 'over-serving' Western Europe, so now it is time to serve Eastern Europe.

Quoting cipango (Reply 9):
Due to its proximity to AMS, people in the dutch and Flemish regions often compare prices from both airports.

Which would push down yield... I don't understand the complaint. Usually its for EK *starting* service somewhere.  

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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2432 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

Bad news for Ukraine international/ Windrose... I wonder how this will affect them, if they will discontinue DXB operations altogether.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5852 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 10):
by FlyDubai announcing IEV ops,

when did this happen?


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
FYI the market size demand between KBP and DXB over the past one year was 80,000 passengers !

Wow - surprised they were not on this route sooner with those numbers!


User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

Kiev is maybe one of the only cities in the world where the same low-cost airline would serve two airports, so i guess this is gonna change now with EK's entrance where we can, as previously said, expect FZ to pull-out from KBP and leave room for EK.

Quoting 777way (Reply 13):
http://translate.google.com/translat...3%2F07%2F2_flydubai_zhulyany.shtml

At the same time, probably the second most important city in Eastern Europe, didn't have any mainline Gulf carrier serving it until now. There were 'only' FlyDubai and Air Arabia. Also the timing of the flights is really great, phenomenal.

Good move by EK, wonder if it will be followed by QR as well. EY announced their intention of serving Kiev through codeshare with B2 via Minsk.


User currently offlinewingflex744 From Singapore, joined May 2013, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6256 times:
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Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 6):
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 4):
Does EK operate the 345 on many other routes of similar distance?

DXB-LYS is also operated by A345.

1 flight a day to Venice also sees the 345 operation in place (EK137)



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5852 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Someone at another board claims through realiable sources that Sialkot in Pakistan is to start from November.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25652 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 5):
Emirates really baffles me! whilst I understand the attraction of under served market, there are many more western destinations that in my opinion would be way more lucrative.

Ukraine is the 7th largest country in Europe by population, over 45 million.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Wow Kiev is becoming very popular with airlines flying to Dubai...

No one mentioned that Wizzair will also be commecing flight to Dubai World Central from Kiev Zhuliany in October too.


User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3033 times:
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Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 19):
Dubai World Central

That's what DWC stands for ? Never knew that.

Blimey they do mean business don't they !

What percentage of its capacity will be used by the airlines of the 'world' other than EK ?

Good news for Kiev though going forward being linked to such a vital facility. Any other city for that matter.

[Edited 2013-07-28 00:59:01]

User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
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You know actually I'm not being funny but I am beginning to see the light here.

Now I know why EK and therefore the UAE government is beginning to show interest in other airlines as with the QF arrangement. It was all part of the plan all along.

With more and more people having to connect through Dubai the city itself will basically become one big transfer lounge.

One big money spinning transfer lounge full of theme parks, glitzy hotels and shopping centres.

QF is just the start.

My apologies. It is genius.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5736 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 20):
That's what DWC stands for ? Never knew that.

Me neither!

I only knew it as "Jebel Ali Worldport", and assumed that DWC was the best IATA could find. As they say, you learn something new everyday!

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 21):
One big money spinning transfer lounge full of theme parks, glitzy hotels and shopping centres.

QF is just the start.

My apologies. It is genius.

To be fair EY have got the start on them, but it will definitely be interesting to see which partners EK can find. With the notable exception of Jet, which was a master-stroke IMHO, EY's partners are mostly a rag-tag bunch (JAT anyone?), and it is not exactly clear how they plan to integrate them all yet (other than making sure they fly to AUH), so it will be interesting to see how EK progresses.



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User currently offlineAirindia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 22):
so it will be interesting to see how EK progresses.

you might see increase on that front if Dubai manages to win the bid to host World Expo 2020.....


User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2594 times:

I dont know about BRU, EY is quite popular here...


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5852 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2067 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):

Starting 4 November thrice weekly, SKT flights were precondition to getting an additional frequencies to Lahoe, states the poster.

Flydubai also serve SKT, while PIA were denied rights to fly the route by Dubai.


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