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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 17  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 51314 times:
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Due to length of part 16, here is part 17.

Previous thread: 787 Production/ Delivery Thread Part 16 (by iowaman Jun 22 2013 in Civil Aviation)

312 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 51195 times:

Well despite the fire on Thursday, Boeing is still going full tilt on production...2 B-1 flights and a EWA flight kept them pretty busy. ZA466 was supposed to make it's 3rd flight but got timed out...it'll probably fly tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see how deliveries go.

Also got some information on ZA274. IT was supposed to have its B-1 late last week but Boeing is still trying to complete all the write ups it has on that air frame. LOT wants the aircraft on July 24th but it's looking like it'll be the 26th or later.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 50800 times:

From United787 on the previous thread...I don't think there's anything to add, is there?

Quote:
As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 68 Aircraft to 13 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO JULY
NH-20; JL-9; AI-7; UA–6; QR-6; ET-4; LO-4; LA-3; BY-3; BA-2; CZ-1; DY-1

JULY DELIVERIES
L/N 95 - B-2733 – 7/2/2013 – CZ #2
L/N 76 - B-2722 – 7/4/2013 - HU #1

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – 7/xx/2013 - AI #8 (Paris Air Show)
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – 7/xx/2013 - AI #9
L/N 81 - B-2723 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2
L/N 85 - B–2730 - x/xx/2013 - HU #3
L/N 105 – JA832J – 7/xx/2013 - JL #10
L/N 103 - A7-BCE – 7/xx/2013 - QR #7
L/N 116 - A7-BCG – 7/xx/2013 - QR #8
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #3 (Storage)
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4 (Storage)
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – 7/xx/2013 - ET #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 7/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 106 - G-TUID – x/xx/2013 – BY #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 107 - JA821A - 7/xx/2013 - NH #21 Awaiting first flight
L/N 112 – EI-LNB - 7/xx/2013 - DY #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 110 - JA822A - x/xx/2013 - NH #22 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-27?? – x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2732 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 100 - B-2734 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 114 – G-ZBJC - x/xx/2013 - BA #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 104 - B-2735 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 115 – N961AM - 8/xx/2013 - AM #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – x/xx/2013 - QR #9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 117 – N29907 – x/xx/2013 – UA #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 118 - CC-BBE - 8/xx/2013 - LA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 121 – G-ZBJD - x/xx/2013 - BA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 120 - JA823A - 8/xx/2013 - NH #23 Awaiting first flight
L/N 113 - CC-BBD - 8/xx/2013 - LA #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – x/xx/2013 - AI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 36 - B-2726 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 122 – N964AM - x/xx/2013 - AM #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 123 – VH-VKA – 9/xx/2013 – JQ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 21 – JA823J – x/xx/2013 - JL #11 Awaiting first flight



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 50632 times:

LN36 B-2726 (CZ) emerged from the paint hangar and was moved to the EMC (battery fix?):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/9290834300/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 50474 times:

LN39 delivery scheduled for next week.

http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/356557371788636160



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 50138 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
LN39 delivery scheduled for next week.

http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/...36160

Seeing that they're one plane short as of last Friday they're going to need it!



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 49967 times:

ZA466 on another test flight today. Think it's a B-3.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE466



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 49818 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
ZA466 on another test flight today. Think it's a B-3.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE466

It's a C-1 (unless it was a complete basket case on the previous two flights which I doubt was the case).


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 49767 times:

LOT ZA274 (88) out for a B-1 later if the preflight checks go ok:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE274


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 49723 times:

Hopefully the ELTs are ok on these flights today.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 48434 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9):
Hopefully the ELTs are ok on these flights today.


Worse case is they remove/deactivate them for flight.



UAL WA291 off on another B flight to clean things up prior to C-1.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE291


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 48233 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
Seeing that they're one plane short as of last Friday they're going to need it!

Yeah, and I hope they will be able to repair LN44 very quickly.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 47452 times:

With LOT ZA274 getting airborne on its B-1 today there are 7 airplanes at PAE that could deliver this month so far plus the 2 delivered already in CHS -- looks like somewhere between 9 and 12 -- that's a good pace. So much for all the worry.

User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 47336 times:

Just came back from spending the day at Everett. Simply spectacular. Was lucky enough to see a landing (A7-BCE) and a take off (N29907). Also didn't realize how close you can get to the aircrafts. Its like Paine Field was built for plane spotting. At both ends of the runway there's a hill that allows for uninterrupted views of takeoffs/landings. At Kilo South, you get as close as 100 feet from the planes. At the EMC fence, you can get as close as 10 feet from VT-ANC in the first position. Within 50 feet at the 11-29 runway, tower ramp and the fuel dock. Only the flightline is a bit out of reach without a good lens or binoculars. I had only an iphone so pics not great. a little teaser below of A7-BCE taxiing.

I also took the 2 hr tour which takes you into the assembly lines. in the 40-24, the first 789 looks as good as ready for roll out. not much equipment left around it and engines attached. in the 40-26, things are not rolling off as quickly as some have been predicting. only 2 "new" frames in positions 1 & 2 and two "old" frames getting the battery fix in positions 3 & 4. i guess this is good as the backlog can come off the flightline. I wouldn't anticipate seeing a "new" frame roll offs the 40-26 in the next two weeks.

Anyone on this forum anywhere in the northwest should make it a duty to spend some time at Everett. For $18 you get to spend two hours on the assembly line. A once in a lifetime opportunity.

Uresh - i'll send you a PM with all the aircraft positions so you can update your spreadsheet.

Cheers
A
A7-BCE returning from C1 flight


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 47289 times:

After what i've seen today, i'd venture as follows...

Next up...

Deliveries:
> JA-832J (Japan Airlines #10)
> A7-BCE (Qatar Airways #7)
> N29907 (United Airlines #7)

First Flights:
> JA-822A (All Nippon Aiways #21)
> N961AM (Aeromexico #1/ILFC #2)
> B-27?? (China Southern #4) (@ Charleston)
> EI-LNB (Norwegian #2/ILFC #3)
> JA-823J (Japan Airlines #11)

FAL Rollout:
> N789EX (Boeing 787-9 Test Plane #1)
> N27908 (United Airlines #8) (@ Charleston)
> N965AM (Aeromexico #3/ILFC #5)

Cheers
A


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 47157 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 12):
So much for all the worry.

Good thing we at A-Net reminded Boeing that they need to get some planes up in the air if they want to deliver any  


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 47098 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 13):

Thanks buddy, I fot it and updated the spreadsheets.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 46841 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 13):
At the EMC fence, you can get as close as 10 feet from VT-ANC in the first position.

VT-ANC was outside? With engines attached?

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 13):
I also took the 2 hr tour which takes you into the assembly lines. in the 40-24, the first 789 looks as good as ready for roll out. not much equipment left around it and engines attached.

Do you remember the position of ZB001, 3 or 4? Both are slant positions.

[Edited 2013-07-16 00:29:48]


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 46582 times:

ZB001 is still in position 3 in 40-24, ZB002 is in position 1.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 46388 times:

Thanks.

LN91 / ZA243 is in paint and on its way back to CHS:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130716/1400Z/KFTW/KCHS



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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 46384 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17):
VT-ANC was outside? With engines attached?

Yes it was. I was surprised to see it there as well but being 10 feet away difficult to confuse with any other frame. still with the star alliance logo on the side and all. a lot of work remains though.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17):
Do you remember the position of ZB001, 3 or 4? Both are slant positions.

definitely P3

A


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 46311 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 20):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17):
Do you remember the position of ZB001, 3 or 4? Both are slant positions.

definitely P3

A

Yeah ZB001 has been in position 3 for several weeks already. It's probably going through a lot of systems testing right now as well as installation of any remaining flight test equipement. Boeig's going to take their time on this one. but I still think it should be out by the end of the month. It has to go through position 4 in 40-26 (for aqueous wash of fuel tanks) then paint and finally to the flightline.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 45804 times:

JAL ZA186 out for a C-2? this evening:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE186


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 45518 times:

Thomson G-TUID at the fuel dock:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9303048621/

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 20):
Yes it was. I was surprised to see it there as well but being 10 feet away difficult to confuse with any other frame. still with the star alliance logo on the side and all. a lot of work remains though.

Hmm ok, maybe it was in the same state as LN21 last April, it went then back inside for the next 2 months. Good to see some progress though.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 20):
definitely P3

Thanks for all the updates  



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 45013 times:

Air India is supposed to take 3 more '87s by the end of August. This is in order to help support the start of India-Australia service due to commence August 29th.

ZA242 and ZA243 look to be ready for delivery except they need to have customer flights. ZA235 would be the next one to be delivered as it is done with change incorporation and really has been ahnging out at theEMC with nothing to do until space on the flightline opens up.

http://m.rediff.com/business/report/...ustralia-from-august/20130717.htm#

[Edited 2013-07-17 13:00:14]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 45229 times:

Yeah ZA235 spent some time on runway 11-29 with engines attached, we should see it at the fuel dock very soon.

ZA242 is currently at the fuel dock, which could indicate it might fly soon (customer flight?).

[Edited 2013-07-17 13:10:06]


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 45186 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 25):
ZA242 is currently at the fuel dock, which could indicate it might fly soon (customer flight?).

ZA242 has been at the fuel dock for an eternity. I think they're waitig for room to free up on the flightline.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 45434 times:

LN113 (LAN) is on the CHS flightline.

http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/357612863755522050



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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 45243 times:

N964AM (compass rose) and G-ZBJD (flightline 201) came out of the 40-26 yesterday (July 16). I anticipate a line move was also done that day with N965AM moving into P3, LN 128 into P2 and LN 130 into P1 with P4 empty for now.
A


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 45153 times:

Jon O is tweeting that the 787-9 / ZB001 is rolling out tonight at 11pm!!

Earlier than I expected. Paint hangar tomorrow.

tortugamon


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 44850 times:

Probably no chance to see ZB001 before it enters the paint hangar? I would think this would be enough of an event to have a spotter checking out the bridge right? 2 hours remaining if the sources are true.

tortugamon


User currently offlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 44856 times:

Well, I'll be in SEA 2 weeks from now, looks like a trip to KPAE is in order to see the 789 on the flight line   

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 44859 times:

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 31):

Hopefully we will have something sooner but we will certainly take anything we can get.  

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 44667 times:

Any idea which 787 this is? Jetstar?

http://paineairport.com/kpae6501.htm



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User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 44613 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):

Looks very much like it. NYC777's blog quoted LN123 as being in the Paint Hangar this week. It would be a disappointment if it was not 


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 44638 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 29):
Jon O is tweeting that the 787-9 / ZB001 is rolling out tonight at 11pm

He also uploaded a bunch of photos of ZB001 just before it started final assembly:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=7702824@N03&q=zb001

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 34):
It would be a disappointment if it was not

Well that picture was taken yesterday so it was not in the paint hangar.

[Edited 2013-07-18 00:37:25]


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 36, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 44334 times:

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 34):

Yeah this has to be LN 123 for Jetstar, it was probably being stored in the paint hangar for the te being. Boeing is probably holding off painting it as it isn't supposed to be delivered until September. LN 126 probably took its place in the paint hangar.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 37, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 44356 times:

Surprise!

http://oi42.tinypic.com/nxtiu0.jpg

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2psj02x.jpg

More pictures can be found here:

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/bo...ow/Boeing-787-9-roll-out-66549.php

[Edited 2013-07-18 05:02:31]


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User currently offlinetravelhound From Australia, joined May 2008, 1003 posts, RR: 12
Reply 38, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 44275 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
He also uploaded a bunch of photos of ZB001 just before it started final assembly:

If I am correct the 787-9 is being built on the temporary surge line.

Interesting pictures. From what I can work out the production line includes at least two new pieces of tooling. The Wing Alignment System on tracks and the Barrel Joining Rig. Both fairly serious investments and would seem somewhat permanent.

Can someone with more knowledge confirm if the production line is at seven units per month. I have been following NYC777's thread for the last couple of months and it seems slower than that.

Cheers!


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Reply 39, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 44191 times:

Man, she looks great even without her makeup   

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Reply 40, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 44152 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 37):

Awesome! Thanks for finding those 



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User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 43998 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 37):
Surprise!

And a good one! Thanks!   

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 39):
Man, she looks great even without her makeup

Much, much better (proportioned) than the -8. Can't wait to see it in KL colours   



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2776 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 43967 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 37):
More pictures can be found here:

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/bo...ow/Boeing-787-9-roll-out-66549.php

Wow. To add onto it.

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/22/63/36/4929412/0/960x595.jpg

Going to be gorgeous when painted and in flight.   



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 43, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 43946 times:

Quoting travelhound (Reply 38):
Can someone with more knowledge confirm if the production line is at seven units per month. I have been following NYC777's thread for the last couple of months and it seems slower than that.

Boeing is saying that they are producing at 7/month but my information is showing it's slower than that. I think they're sloly ramping back up to 7/month since end of June. I wrote that during June Boeing was essentially re-configuring and re-constructing the final assembly line in 40-26 thus that is the slow down but I also think they slowed things down due to the increasing number of assembled 787s crowding the Everett ramp. If they can clear off at least 10/month through the end of September then things should be back to normal.



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 43909 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 10):


That is not possible as the ELT is a basic requirement for basic VFR flight.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 45, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 43842 times:

ZA467 scheduled for a B1 flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20130718/1430Z/KCHS/KVQQ



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 46, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 43855 times:

Another B-1 flight on tap for this morning, this time out of Charleston and the 1st CHS built 787 for Qatar Airways, ZA467:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE467



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5839 posts, RR: 6
Reply 47, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 43810 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 42):
Going to be gorgeous when painted and in flight.

Screw economics; I wish they had left the longer wings on the 787-9 for purely aesthetic reasons.   Looks great as is, though.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 48, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 43738 times:

Man that -9 looks sleek. Looks incredibly longer than the 8 just by looking at it.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 49, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 43714 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 44):
That is not possible as the ELT is a basic requirement for basic VFR flight.



Wrong! If you look at the MEL's available online for 777 & 787 (thru the FAA I believe) the ELT (fixed) is listed with "0" required if it is "deactivated/not installed" for up to 90 days. If there was no listing in the MEL it would of course be required but it's listed therefore it's not necessarily required. There is even "talk" now as to whether it's even necessary for a 787.


User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 43667 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 44):

That is not possible as the ELT is a basic requirement for basic VFR flight.

How does being VFR have anything to do with the ELT?



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 51, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 43645 times:

Well the AAIB has spoken and is recommending "inerting" the ELTs on all 787s. I guess it's their fancy way of saying turn it off.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 52, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 43782 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 46):
Another B-1 flight on tap for this morning, this time out of Charleston and the 1st CHS built 787 for Qatar Airways, ZA467:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE467

Well now Flightaware doesn't have this flight up anymore for today. I wonder if it had anything to do with the ELT issue and the AAIB report today?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 53, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 43464 times:

A video of the roll-out can be found here:

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/...9-dreamliner-rolls-out-of-factory/



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 54, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 43516 times:

It looks like the 787-9 rolled right out of 40-24 and into the paint hangar. It did not have to wait a week like others do...I thought it was going to have to go into 40-26 for diagnostics and a fuel tank flush. Think they will do that after?

Video of the move:
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/...9-dreamliner-rolls-out-of-factory/

Great looking airplane.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 55, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 43473 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 54):
It looks like the 787-9 rolled right out of 40-24 and into the paint hangar. It did not have to wait a week like others do...I thought it was going to have to go into 40-26 for diagnostics and a fuel tank flush. Think they will do that after?

A prototype is always a bit different. Also, we don't know what Boeing is exactly doing with the -8s on the 40-51 ramp. Maybe cabin related stuff which would not apply to ZB001.

I expect a roll out ceremony after painting, likely over a week from now. This could be done at the delivery center. Next it could be moved back inside 40-26 for fuel tank wash, or to the flightline, or to the fuel dock, or to the compass rose for calibration tests. We also haven't heard anything about the first power on.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 56, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 43409 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 52):
Well now Flightaware doesn't have this flight up anymore for today. I wonder if it had anything to do with the ELT issue and the AAIB report today?

ZA467 is in the air now, CHS-VQQ:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20130718/1430Z/KCHS/KVQQ



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 57, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 43322 times:

ZA466 is to fly today. It looks like a C-2 flight I guess but correct me if I'm wrong.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE466

[Edited 2013-07-18 13:56:50]


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 58, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 43176 times:

Looks like LOT ZA274 out for a B-2 later today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130718/2230Z/KPAE/KMWH


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3858 posts, RR: 27
Reply 59, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 43162 times:
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Hey guys could we put the customer id with the airplane identifier (whether N-,m cust s/n, line number or whatever) I'm wearing out my cheat sheet every time I try to catch up.

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Reply 60, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 43161 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 59):
could we put the customer id with the airplane identifier

Idea seconded.

tortugamon


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 61, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43048 times:

With 12 days left to the month, July delivery figures should start becoming clearer (no time left really for any new B1s that would make it to customers by month's end). I'm seeing something in the range of 8-12 with a bias towards the bottom end given the customer list:

> B-2733 (China Southern #2): Delivered (Charleston)
> B-2722 (Hainan Airlines #1): Delivered (Charleston)
> JA-832J (Japan Airlines #10): Awaiting Delivery
> A7-BCE (Qatar Airways #7): Awaiting Delivery
> N29907 (United Airlines #7): Awaiting Delivery
> B-2723 (Hainan Airlines #2): Awaiting Customer Test Flights (Charleston)
> ET-AOO (Ethiopian Airlines #5): Awaiting Customer Test Flights
> SP-LRE (LOT Polish Airlines #5): Awaiting Customer Test Flights

> A7-BCG (Qatar Airways #8): Awaiting Customer Test Flights
> VT-ANN (Air India #8): Awaiting Customer Test Flights
> B-2730 (Hainan Airlines #3): Awaiting Customer Test Flights (Charleston)
> VT-ANO (Air India #9): Awaiting Customer Test Flights (Charleston)

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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 42851 times:

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 50):

The ELT is required for basic visual flight rules. IFR flight, which all airlines are flying under, require all VFR flight rules to be complied with in addition to the additional requirements for IFR flight.

You can't deactivate or MEL an ELT for a revenue flight. If it is not working, you can only ferry it to recieve repairs.

FAR 91.205 is the required equipment list and 91.207 is the reg on ELT requirements.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 63, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 42848 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 62):
The ELT is required for basic visual flight rules. IFR flight, which all airlines are flying under, require all VFR flight rules to be complied with in addition to the additional requirements for IFR flight.

You can't deactivate or MEL an ELT for a revenue flight. If it is not working, you can only ferry it to recieve repairs.

FAR 91.205 is the required equipment list and 91.207 is the reg on ELT requirements.


That's strange because the MASTER MEL for both 777 and 787 that can be found online (FAA?) says for ELT (fixed) you can dispatch with "0" required either deactivated/not installed for up to 90 days with only (M) maintenance procedures and no (O) operational procedures. According to a post on another topic CAA is 6 flights. I wonder why the difference in information??


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 64, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days ago) and read 42805 times:
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Quoting flightsimer (Reply 44):
Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 50):
Quoting flightsimer (Reply 62):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 63):

Discussions about the ELT really should be in the 787 threads so we can keep this thread focused on 787 production and deliveries.


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days ago) and read 42795 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 62):
FAR 91.205 is the required equipment list and 91.207 is the reg on ELT requirements.

It looks to me like the last section of 91.207 exempts scheduled air carriers on scheduled flights.

That makes some sense to me. The purpose of an ELT is give SAR a clue when an aircraft has gone down and to help them find it. That is usually not a problem with scheduled flights when they are on land (the only place where an ELT works.)


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 66, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 42675 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 54):
It looks like the 787-9 rolled right out of 40-24 and into the paint hangar. It did not have to wait a week like others do...I thought it was going to have to go into 40-26 for diagnostics and a fuel tank flush. Think they will do that after?

A prototype is always a bit different. Also, we don't know what Boeing is exactly doing with the -8s on the 40-51 ramp. Maybe cabin related stuff which would not apply to ZB001.

I expect a roll out ceremony after painting, likely over a week from now. This could be done at the delivery center. Next it could be moved back inside 40-26 for fuel tank wash, or to the flightline, or to the fuel dock, or to the compass rose for calibration tests. We also haven't heard anything about the first power on.


Too low - terrain

Boeing can do the aqueous wash in the paint hangar, they're equipped for that.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 67, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 42419 times:

Wings for ZB021, the third 787-9, have arrived at the FAL.

http://paineairport.com/kpae6504.htm



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 68, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 42387 times:

The Jetstar 787 was moved to the 40-51 apron.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9319359132/



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 69, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 41941 times:

ZA186 up again on yet another customer flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE186



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User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 70, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 41842 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 69):
ZA186 up again on yet another customer flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE186

Hmm. 7 test flights. I wonder why JAL is doing so much test flying on their new delivery 787's. It's almost like they expect them to have problems.



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Reply 71, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 41795 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 67):

Wings for ZB021, the third 787-9, have arrived at the FAL.

Seems to me the first and maybe the second set were transported flat by special carrier.. it's nice to see these emerge from the LCF.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 72, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 41755 times:

Yes the first set of wings for ZB001 were transported by an Antonov freighter. Not sure about the second set.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 73, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 41737 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 70):
Hmm. 7 test flights. I wonder why JAL is doing so much test flying on their new delivery 787's. It's almost like they expect them to have problems.



Actually only 6 (3 B, 3 C) -- one was a photo flight. Both JAL and ANA prefer only 1 customer flight if at all possible, so seeing 3 so far indicates there's definitely an issue of some sort -- probably in cruise.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Reply 74, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 41702 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 68 Aircraft to 13 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO JULY
NH-20; JL-9; AI-7; UA–6; QR-6; ET-4; LO-4; LA-3; BY-3; BA-2; CZ-1; DY-1

JULY DELIVERIES
L/N 95 - B-2733 – 7/2/2013 – CZ #2
L/N 76 - B-2722 – 7/4/2013 - HU #1

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY
L/N 105 – JA832J – 7/xx/2013 - JL #10
L/N 103 - A7-BCE – 7/xx/2013 - QR #7
L/N 116 - A7-BCG – 7/xx/2013 - QR #8
L/N 117 – N29907 – 7/xx/2013 – UA #7
L/N 39 - ET-AOO – 7/xx/2013 - ET #5
L/N 100 - B-2736 – 7/xx/2013 – CZ #3
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 7/xx/2013 – LO #5
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – x/xx/2013 - QR #9
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – 7/xx/2013 - AI #8 (Paris Air Show)
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – 7/xx/2013 - AI #9
L/N 81 - B-2723 – x/xx/2013 - HU #2
L/N 85 - B–2730 - x/xx/2013 - HU #3
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #4 (Storage)
L/N 73 - B-2728 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4 (Storage)
L/N 106 - G-TUID – x/xx/2013 – BY #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 107 - JA821A - x/xx/2013 - NH #21 Awaiting first flight
L/N 112 – EI-LNB - x/xx/2013 - DY #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 110 - JA822A - x/xx/2013 - NH #22 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-27?? – x/xx/2013 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 93 - B-2732 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 114 – G-ZBJC - x/xx/2013 - BA #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 104 - B-2735 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 115 – N961AM - 8/xx/2013 - AM #1 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 118 - CC-BBE - 8/xx/2013 - LA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 121 – G-ZBJD - x/xx/2013 - BA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 120 - JA823A - 8/xx/2013 - NH #23 Awaiting first flight
L/N 113 - CC-BBD - 8/xx/2013 - LA #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – x/xx/2013 - AI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 36 - B-2726 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 122 – N964AM - x/xx/2013 - AM #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 123 – VH-VKA – 9/xx/2013 – JQ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 21 – JA823J – x/xx/2013 - JL #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 119 - B-2737 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #8 Awaiting first flight


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 75, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 41220 times:

ZA466 on a test flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE466



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 76, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 40536 times:

QTR ZA466 maybe today for the C-3:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE466


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 77, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 40523 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
Thomson G-TUID at the fuel dock:

G-TUID engines were started for the first time on July 19.

http://kpae.blogspot.nl/2013/07/paine-field-july-19.html



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 78, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 39730 times:

ILF/AMX ZA561 (115) filed for a B-1 later today. Weather should clear, will the airplane cooperate?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE561


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 79, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 39299 times:

There is still little activity around LN43 (CZ), the windows are still taped off.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/9333403825/in/photostream/



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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 80, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38900 times:
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Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 78):
Weather should clear, will the airplane cooperate?

It was late, but that just meant better light:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/9337419085/


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 81, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 38620 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 79):

The photo is off Air China's 77W I believe. Still nice though  .

Looks like JA823J (JAL) had an initial engine run today. Good to see movement on LN 21.
From Matt Cawby:
http://paineairport.com/kpae6518.htm


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 82, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 38393 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 81):
The photo is off Air China's 77W I believe. Still nice though

You can see LN43 in the background  



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 83, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 38314 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 82):

And although there are three CZ 787s in Everett the third one isn't painted. Touché. Nice get.

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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 84, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 37771 times:

Any ideas why ET-AOP and SP-LRD are headed to Boeing Field today...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE260
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE274


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 85, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 37732 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 84):
Any ideas why ET-AOP and SP-LRD are headed to Boeing Field today...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE260
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE274



Or why QTR ZA466 appears to be doing another full profile?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE466

ETH would be a B-2, LOT a B-3. Are they running out of room at PAE or is there some runway closure coming up?


User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 86, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 37686 times:
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I would guess they are staging to BFI since there has been a lot of fog at PAE the past couple of weeks and it looks set to continue.

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Reply 87, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 37648 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 84):
ET-AOP

That should be ET-EOO, AOP is the one which had the fire at LHR. Its now returning to PAE.

[Edited 2013-07-22 10:13:03]


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Reply 88, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 37538 times:

Do the 787s seem to be doing a lot more test flights lately? I thought I remember at the end of 2012, the amount of test flights on average seemed to be reduced and the delivery process was more efficient...

Also, no deliveries in 2.5 weeks...are customers delaying accepting planes because of the LHR fire or am I too impatient?


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 89, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 37452 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 86):
I would guess they are staging to BFI since there has been a lot of fog at PAE the past couple of weeks and it looks set to continue.


Fog really only affects the B-1's and this stuff burns off fairly rapidly -- probably an ATC finger fumble.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 90, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37287 times:

ZA466, ZA274 and ZA260 landed with the RAT deployed.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 91, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37297 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 83):
And although there are three CZ 787s in Everett the third one isn't painted. Touché. Nice get.

Yeah sorry, I should have been more clear. Anyway, Russell Hill was so kind to share us a nice close-up picture of LN43:

http://oi42.tinypic.com/vq4e2q.jpg

As one can see, the bird is surrounded with boxes and other tooling but the windows and doors are still sealed off. Additionally, LN43 is still wearing the temporary Boeing test registration. Given the state of this frame, she won't go anywhere soon. I also doubt it has received the battery modification already.

[Edited 2013-07-22 12:43:17]


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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 92, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37251 times:
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Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 89):
Fog really only affects the B-1's

Actually that isn't true. No Boeing test flights will fly if the conditions are below minimums. If conditions change after takeoff, the flights will divert.


User currently onlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 93, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 37171 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 91):
Yeah sorry, I should have been more clear. Anyway, Russell Hill was so kind to share us a nice close-up picture of LN43:

Nice picture and thanks for sharing it with us KarelXWB. The 787-9 looks even nicer in my opinion. I can't wait to see the KLM 787-9!!!

Cheers,

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User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 36892 times:

Just curious as to why so much flight activity takes place towards the end of the month vs. a more consistent flow during the entire month. Can someone please enlighten me?

Thanks.

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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 95, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 36653 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 92):
Actually that isn't true. No Boeing test flights will fly if the conditions are below minimums. If conditions change after takeoff, the flights will divert.



If it's below take off minimums that would be an issue but that is rarely the case. If it's just below landing minimums you can still takeoff as long as you have an alternate above landing minimums on any flight but a B-1 which has a specific takeoff ceiling/visibility requirement. If conditions are such that you will probably be fogged in when it's time to land you might delay takeoff for a while but not necessarily wait for the fog to lift.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 96, posted (1 year 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 36673 times:

On another note, looks like QTR ZA468 is out on a C-1:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8/history/20130722/2100Z/KPAE/KMWH


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 97, posted (1 year 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 36283 times:

LN20 has been spotted inside the EMC with engines attached.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9346548503/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9346548055/



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 98, posted (1 year 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 35566 times:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there will be a few delivereis over the next few days starting with ZA186 to JAL. This one may deliver today. With 8 days left in this month it's looking highly unlikely that Boeing will deliver more than 7.

[Edited 2013-07-23 12:03:02]


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 99, posted (1 year 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 35450 times:

ZA260 going out on a B-4 or a C-1 flight, can't keep track anymore:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE260



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 100, posted (1 year 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 35425 times:

Looks like ETH ZA260 (39) is schedules for a quick C-2 today after flying a C-1 after the B-2 yesterday:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE260

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 98):
With 8 days left in this month it's looking highly unlikely that Boeing will deliver more than 7.

It all depends on what happens at CHS. JAL ZA186, QTR ZA466 & ZA468, ETH ZA260 are probable at PAE with LOT ZA274 and UAL ZA291 maybes.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 101, posted (1 year 5 months 7 hours ago) and read 35415 times:

ZA291 for UA is going on a what I guess is a C-1 today. They can delvier this one before the 31st assuming that are no issues.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE291

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 100):
It all depends on what happens at CHS. JAL ZA186, QTR ZA466 & ZA468, ETH ZA260 are probable at PAE with LOT ZA274 and UAL ZA291 maybes.

There are 3 '87s at CHS ready for a customer flight but so far no moves to conduct those flights. Let's see...



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 102, posted (1 year 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 35401 times:

ZA121 scheduled for a B1 flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130723/2217Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 103, posted (1 year 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 35288 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):

ZA 121 is ANA JA-822A for those without immediate access to the info.

Good to see. Think we should see ZA577 for DY/ILFC on a B-1 soon.

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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 104, posted (1 year 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 35077 times:

So much activity in last 2 days, here's are recap of what's next:

Deliveries:
> JA-832J (Japan Airlines #10)
> A7-BCE (Qatar Airways #7)
> N29907 (United Airlines #7)
> ET-AOO (Ethiopian Airlines #5)
> A7-BCG (Qatar Airways #8)

First Flights:
> JA-822A (All Nippon Aiways #21) -> scheduled today
> B-27?? (China Southern #4) (@ Charleston)
> EI-LNB (Norwegian #2/ILFC #3)
> G-TUID (TUI Travel #4)
> JA-823J (Japan Airlines #11)
> CC-BBE (LAN Airlines #5) (@ Charleston)

FAL Rollout:
> N27908 (United Airlines #8) (@ Charleston)
> N965AM (Aeromexico #3/ILFC #5)
> V8-??? (Royal Brunei Airlines #1)

Cheers
A


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 105, posted (1 year 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 35070 times:

Matt Cawby tweeted that an ELT was transmitting and had the Everett Airport FD looking for the source. It was ZA466's ELT that was transmitting. Don't know if this will cause another issue.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 106, posted (1 year 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 35064 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 104):
So much activity in last 2 days, here's are recap of what's next:

Deliveries:
> JA-832J (Japan Airlines #10)
> A7-BCE (Qatar Airways #7)
> N29907 (United Airlines #7)
> ET-AOO (Ethiopian Airlines #5)
> A7-BCG (Qatar Airways #8)

First Flights:
> JA-822A (All Nippon Aiways #21) -> scheduled today
> B-27?? (China Southern #4) (@ Charleston)
> EI-LNB (Norwegian #2/ILFC #3)
> G-TUID (TUI Travel #4)
> JA-823J (Japan Airlines #11)
> CC-BBE (LAN Airlines #5) (@ Charleston)

FAL Rollout:
> N27908 (United Airlines #8) (@ Charleston)
> N965AM (Aeromexico #3/ILFC #5)
> V8-??? (Royal Brunei Airlines #1)

Cheers
A

I would add LOT's 5th 787 (SP-LRE, ZA274, LN 88). It should deliver very late this week or early next week. LOT actually wanted delivered on the 24th. It may delvier around the 26th.



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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 34933 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 97):

I must admit I haven't been keeping up to date with this thread, but why is this 787 in the old JAL livery?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 108, posted (1 year 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 34932 times:
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Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 107):
I must admit I haven't been keeping up to date with this thread, but why is this 787 in the old JAL livery?

It's one of the early production frames so it likely would have been painted before JL changed their livery in mid-2011.

[Edited 2013-07-23 17:28:49]

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 109, posted (1 year 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 34701 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 108):
Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 107):
I must admit I haven't been keeping up to date with this thread, but why is this 787 in the old JAL livery?

It's one of the early production frames so it likely would have been painted before JL changed their livery in mid-2011.

It'll be r epainted priot to delivery.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 110, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 34396 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 98):
With 8 days left in this month it's looking highly unlikely that Boeing will deliver more than 7.

Its definitely troubling. If Boeing cannot deliver more than 7-9/month now when they are producing 7/month (July excluded) then what are they going to do when they are producing at 10/month while they are doing 787-9 flight testing?

It would not be that big of a deal if they did not have a backlog of 35 semi-clean aircraft that they need to work through. I thought for sure we would be seeing 10-12 deliveries/month by now for the rest of the year. Maybe the battery fixes are still plaguing the turn times and that will work itself out soon.

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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 111, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 34360 times:

B-2042 CZ 77W is completing taxi tests in Everett according to Matt Cawby. It will be a cool photo opportunity to deliver both their 77W and a 787 at the same time at the delivery center. I assume the 77W will have the 787 livery which will look sweet. I assume this won't happen until late next month.

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User currently offlinemilestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 34297 times:

B-2042 is a 777F for China Southern Cargo, not a 77W.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 113, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 34274 times:

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 112):

You ain't kidding. Good catch. 77Ws are due to be delivered soon though I think so it should be a good photo op.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 114, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 34133 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 110):
Its definitely troubling. If Boeing cannot deliver more than 7-9/month now when they are producing 7/month (July excluded) then what are they going to do when they are producing at 10/month while they are doing 787-9 flight testing?

It would not be that big of a deal if they did not have a backlog of 35 semi-clean aircraft that they need to work through. I thought for sure we would be seeing 10-12 deliveries/month by now for the rest of the year. Maybe the battery fixes are still plaguing the turn times and that will work itself out soon.

I think the customers are simply not ready to take delivery of their aircraft. Let's see how many eventually will be delivered before the end of the month. The production stop was a nice opportunity to clear the backlog IMO.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 115, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 33913 times:

HU LN79 was moved to runway 11-29, someone has caught it on the webcam while it was being towed.

http://oi44.tinypic.com/vgjs9.jpg



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31412 posts, RR: 85
Reply 116, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 33571 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 114):
I think the customers are simply not ready to take delivery of their aircraft.

Agreed. Most are in the middle of their summer flying season and integrating new planes into a crowded schedule is probably a burden.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 117, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 33466 times:

There is a small slippage in the first 787-9 delivery schedule, it shifts from "early 2014" to "mid 2014".

http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/360059085376327682

Delivery guidance for 2013 remains "more than 60".

[Edited 2013-07-24 08:33:02]


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 118, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 33333 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 116):
Agreed. Most are in the middle of their summer flying season and integrating new planes into a crowded schedule is probably a burden.

That, and the bulk of the ready to deliver frames are for customers that have had continuing issues accepting deliveries (China, Air India specifically).


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Reply 119, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 33192 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 115):
HU LN79 was moved to runway 11-29

Still no engines nor paint. 2014 written all over it.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 114):
I think the customers are simply not ready to take delivery of their aircraft.

It does appear that way. 15 a/c in flight testing (5 that have completed at least a C-1) is a healthy number so it is not like they are not making progress. They have rolled out 123 production aircraft and only delivered 68. I was assuming that ratio would improve since the grounding was lifted and it is not really happening.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 117):
There is a small slippage in the first 787-9 delivery schedule, it shifts from "early 2014" to "mid 2014".

Bad news. There has always been a lag in between Boeing's 'early 2014' and NZ's "mid 2014" anyway. I wonder if he gave an indication of a reason for the switch.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 120, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 33162 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 119):
Bad news. There has always been a lag in between Boeing's 'early 2014' and NZ's "mid 2014" anyway. I wonder if he gave an indication of a reason for the switch.

I assume "early 2014" means Q1 2014 but that was never a realistic date IMO. Just do the math: 6 months test flying, 1 month certification, 1 or 2 months for first delivery*. ZB001 might fly at the end of August but let's say September, add 6 months = March 2014, then certification in April 2014 and first delivery in May or July 2014.

Early 2014 was never possible.

* Assumption based on the average 6 weeks the current 787-8 needs between FAL roll-out and delivery.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 121, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32975 times:

LOT ZA274 is scheduled for a 2-hour (customer?) flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130724/1830Z/KPAE/KMWH

AeroMexico first 787 delivery is scheduled for August 16.

http://twitter.com/ghimlay/status/360063351772020739



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 122, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 32892 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 121):
LOT ZA274 is scheduled for a 2-hour (customer?) flight.



  

C-1, probably the last to get delivered in July.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 123, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 32873 times:

Qatar ZA467 scheduled for a paint job at FTW.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20130724/1930Z/KCHS/KFTW



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Reply 124, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 32796 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 122):
C-1, probably the last to get delivered in July.

I think that would make eight if all goes smoothly:

2 QR
1 CZ
1 HU
1 ET
1 LO
1 JL
1 UA

Boeing indicated that they are planning on delivering between 20-22 787s in each of the final two quarters so 7/month which it looks like they are on target for.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 125, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32719 times:

JL JA832J (ZA186) was moved to the delivery center.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/360135761737154561



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 126, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32741 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 91):
Russell Hill was so kind to share us a nice close-up picture of LN43

And Russell was so kind to provide us with 2 more bonus pictures.

The first one is LN36 which finished change incorporation a while ago and emerged from the paint hangar last week. There is a lot of activity around this one, some work is being done in the aft cargo section (battery modification?) and the engine cowlings are open. This one could be the next CZ delivery because LN100 hasn't been painted yet and LN43 is still taped off (as described in post #91).

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2lmmjxu.jpg

The second picture shows us LN17 (RAM). Both RAM LN17 and LN19 were pulled to the EMC some months ago, LN19 than moved back to storage after some work was performed. But NYC777's blog shows LN17 as being in change incorporation so I was wondering what Boeing is/was doing with this one for so long outside. Now this picture answers everything: LN17 is not in change incorporation but just stored around the EMC.

http://oi44.tinypic.com/mbh4qu.jpg

We've seen this before, some early birds are spending some time outside the EMC but go back into storage afterwards instead of going inside the building. Last year there was a rumor about those birds getting their interiors stripped.

[Edited 2013-07-24 14:05:16]


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 127, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32511 times:

JAL ZA186 delivered -- headed home tonite:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8101


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 32036 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 120):
I assume "early 2014" means Q1 2014 but that was never a realistic date IMO

   I never thought that was going to happen, wonder if one of the early 787-8 planners fabricated this   Glad Boeing put this straight.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 126):
Last year there was a rumor about those birds getting their interiors stripped.

Have the interiors been installed at all? With all the rework needed on the terrible teens, seems a waste of money to install interiors years before delivery (Boeing must have had a guess it would take that long).



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 129, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 31930 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 128):
Have the interiors been installed at all? With all the rework needed on the terrible teens, seems a waste of money to install interiors years before delivery (Boeing must have had a guess it would take that long).

Except for the engines, those birds were completely installed. The original plan was to deliver them directly after certification, but than many problems were discovered during test flying. That's the risk of building airplanes before test flying has been completed.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 130, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 31862 times:

In other news, Matt Cawby took a picture of LN11, still wearing the ANA livery. This one is currently inside the EMC and should be delivered to Transaero next year.

http://paineairport.com/kpae6531.htm



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 131, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 31845 times:

JAL sure does know how to have a good time when they take delivery:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6532.htm

They do some wing waves every time it seems. Good for them.

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 132, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 31517 times:

Quoting tortugamon:
JAL sure does know how to have a good time when they take delivery:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6532.htm

They do some wing waves every time it seems. Good for them.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 133, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 31254 times:

Position 4 in the 40-26 building has been freed, LN127 can now move further down the assembly line.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/360401327949479936



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 134, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 30998 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 133):
Position 4 in the 40-26 building has been freed, LN127 can now move further down the assembly line.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/...79936

Line move later today and loading of the next 787 airframe tomorrow.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 30784 times:

Was there another 787 delivery after the JAL one? Boeing just tweeted the they've delivered 70:

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/360445956522647552

[Edited 2013-07-25 10:11:30]


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 136, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 30744 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 135):
Boeing just tweeted the they've delivered 70

Great news. Wonder if it was a QR bird.

ANA ZA121 is scheduled for a B-1
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130725/1830Z/KPAE/KMWH

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 137, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 30732 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 136):
Wonder if it was a QR bird.

ET LN39 was scheduled for a delivery this week.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 138, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 30729 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 137):
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 136):
Wonder if it was a QR bird.

ET LN39 was scheduled for a delivery this week.

LOT ZA274 is also supposed to deliver this week. I put in an email into Boeing, let's see what they come back with.

[Edited 2013-07-25 11:11:41]


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Reply 139, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 30715 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 137):
ET LN39 was scheduled for a delivery this week

With a 7/14 first flight I would say that it was a pretty impressive turnaround especially for a LN39 aircraft.

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Reply 140, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 30373 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 136):
Wonder if it was a QR bird.

Looks like one of the QR birds is heading to VCV. That answers that I guess.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/Q...7/history/20130726/0001Z/KPAE/KVCV

JA822A has had some maintenance issues says Matt Cawby. Now its heading to the compass rose. Many of you may know what the purpose of the rose and a compass swing are but I found this interesting article that helped me understand.
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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 141, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 30348 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 140):
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 136):
Wonder if it was a QR bird.

Looks like one of the QR birds is heading to VCV. That answers that I guess.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/Q.../KVCV

Going on a limb here and guessing that it's ZA466 that was delivered today.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 142, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 30292 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 141):

That is a good bet. The QR birds go to VCV for wifi right? Is that always done post-delivery? I thought they used to have it done before it was delivered. Does anyone know when UA's birds will get that as well? I thought it was in the works.

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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 143, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 30088 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 140):
JA822A has had some maintenance issues says Matt Cawby. Now its heading to the compass rose.



They've been airborne for an hour so must not have been a big issue.


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Reply 144, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 30069 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 143):

You are right, it is looking good. The maintenance issue delayed the flight originally but it looks like they figured out whatever problem it is.

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Reply 145, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 29903 times:

From Matt:

"Qatar Airways 787 delivery flight canceled tonight"

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/360547465369370624

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 146, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 29714 times:

Can any one confirm that it was ZA466 that was delivered today?


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 147, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 29104 times:

The Qatar delivery was A7-BCE (LN103).

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/360744048673296384



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User currently offlinemilestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 28890 times:

Any idea when we might see the first 787-9 come out of the paint hangar? I think it has been in for 8 or 9 days now...

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 149, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 28863 times:

It could take a week and a half if they do the fuel tank wash inside the paint hangar.


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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 150, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 28768 times:

A7-BCE delivery is delayed due to an incident, not known if any damage occurred:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/360793031747706882



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Reply 151, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 28702 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 150):
A7-BCE delivery is delayed due to an incident, not known if any damage occurred:

I don't think I'd want to be on the receiving end of the next phone call to Boeing from al-Baker...


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Reply 152, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 28918 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 150):
A7-BCE delivery is delayed due to an incident, not known if any damage occurred:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/...06882

Much ado about nothing. Aircraft is in the air.



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Reply 153, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 28894 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 152):
Much ado about nothing. Aircraft is in the air.

Good to know, thanks.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 154, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 28159 times:

Boeing has rolled out the 1st fully painted 787-9. Any spotters at Everett should be able to get good pics unless they rolled it back into one ofthe assembly bays.

I have a high resolution picture that Boeing released on my blog.

[Edited 2013-07-27 07:18:38]


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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 155, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 27912 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 154):
Any spotters at Everett should be able to get good pics unless they rolled it back into one ofthe assembly bays.

Matt Cawby tweeted that its not on the flightline, so it must have been rolled back into the assembly bay.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 156, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 27548 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if it's at position 4 in 40-24 now.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 157, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 27278 times:

ZA561 looks to be making a B-2 flight.




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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 158, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 27211 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Not a B-2, but a photo flight. Takeoff video with a Learjet 25 in hot pursuit.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/9381926652/

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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 159, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 27003 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 158):
Not a B-2, but a photo flight. Takeoff video with a Learjet 25 in hot pursuit.

Looks like Wolfe Air is handling the photos as opposed to Clay Lacy on this photo flight.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3510 posts, RR: 3
Reply 160, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 26717 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 157):

ZA561 looks to be making a B-2 flight.

And which LN and airline is this for?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 161, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 26718 times:

It's LN115 for Aeromexico.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 162, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 26702 times:

BTW for people wondering why the Chinese 787 deliveries from CHS make a stop at BFI:

Quote:
Lastly, someone asked why the Chinese planes delivered from CHS had to make a stop instead of flying non-stop to China. The answer to that question is because CHS has two runways, and the longer one is being rebuilt. That project is just about done, but for the past year or more all flights have been taking off from the shorter runway. This means the 787's can't carry enough fuel to make it to China because the extra weight wouldn't allow the use of the shorter runway.


[Edited 2013-07-28 01:26:48]


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 163, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 26261 times:

Looks like ZA386 (LN104) is flying a B-1 flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE104



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 164, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 25964 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 154):
I have a high resolution picture that Boeing released on my blog.

Do you also have a high-res version of the second picture? This one I mean: http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboeingcompany/9376279731/

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 163):
Looks like ZA386 (LN104) is flying a B-1 flight today:

Flight has been canceled.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 165, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 25923 times:

UAL ZA291 finally off on its C-2 today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE291


User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 166, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25785 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 162):
BTW for people wondering why the Chinese 787 deliveries from CHS make a stop at BFI:

Well, there has only been three deliveries, so not everyone has noticed. Perhaps if the Chinese were to fly some pilots over and take a few 787's that might become more apparent.

If they could stop by in India and bring a few of their crews as well.....



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 167, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25456 times:

ZA260 for Ethiopian is leaving on its delivery flight tonight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH9201



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 168, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 24865 times:

LOT SP-LRE delivered.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/L...7/history/20130729/1730Z/KPAE/EPWA

[Edited 2013-07-29 05:17:31]


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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 169, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24691 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 167):
ZA260 for Ethiopian is leaving on its delivery flight tonight:

Apparently still on the flightline according to Matt:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/361836785829027844



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 170, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24649 times:

Yes the flight plan has been removed from flightaware.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 171, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24523 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 164):

Do you also have a high-res version of the second picture? This one I mean: http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboei...9731/

I have to see if Boeing Media has put it up to download and I can IM you and email it to you if you wish.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 169):
Apparently still on the flightline according to Matt:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/...27844

Probably will go tonight. I wouldn't be surprised if LN 117 for UA also flies away by tomorrow.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 172, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24402 times:

ZA320 for Thomson is expected to make its first flight (B-1) later today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE320



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 173, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 24193 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 164):
Do you also have a high-res version of the second picture? This one I mean: http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboei...9731/

I just put the hi-res version of the 787-9 on my blog.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 13114 posts, RR: 35
Reply 174, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 23831 times:

Here is a video of QR LN103 landing in VCV.

http://youtu.be/si1UW2VbsKI

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 173):
I just put the hi-res version of the 787-9 on my blog.

Thanks!



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 175, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 23477 times:

ZA561 going up on a C-1 perhaps?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE561



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1753 posts, RR: 13
Reply 176, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 23192 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 175):
ZA561 going up on a C-1 perhaps?


Looks like it won't make it today but with only an hour PAE to PAE that would be a B-2. Maybe tomorrow.