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New Zealand Aviation Part 131  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12213 posts, RR: 18
Posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18123 times:
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Welcome to the 131st edition of the New Zealand Aviation Threads.

Link to the previous edition New Zealand Aviation Part 130 (by 777ER Jun 30 2013 in Civil Aviation)

210 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18153 times:

From the previous thread:

Quote:
The Cathay 330 (similar size to 787) PE is 2-3-2. It looks very comfortable.

It is very comfortable. And so is the 2-4-2 in the 77W. All you need now is for NZ to be able to configure it right so that the Y+ cabin remains with its own toilet. The current 77W seems fine for this but it'd be interesting to see if NZ wanted to shrink the size of the Y+ cabin in order to maintain supply to a similar level it is currently. CX's Y+ in the 77W is only 4-5 rows.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18149 times:

Interesting K'man suggested the A380 on the NZ1/2 and SFO routes. I remember thinking a while ago that the idea of a small fleet of 380s could be viable for those exact routes. Who knows what it will be after the 77W's are gone, I know they have said that it is unlikely, but I hope they will operate twin decks again in future.

The whole aviation is expanding and growing spiel people talk about doesn't quite make sense to me when they reduced from 744 to 77W


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3224 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18113 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 2):
Interesting K'man suggested the A380 on the NZ1/2 and SFO routes. I remember thinking a while ago that the idea of a small fleet of 380s could be viable for those exact routes. Who knows what it will be after the 77W's are gone, I know they have said that it is unlikely, but I hope they will operate twin decks again in future.

I too would like to see this, but NZ has learnt from historic experience that its passenger traffic is dramatically susceptible to the whim of external pressures beyond its control. The crash of the Asian Tiger economies in the late 90's; the outbreak of SARS in the early noughties; the GFC et al - have all shown NZ how precariously balanced their business is in terms of filling their planes, and taking on larger planes increases their risk exposure to sudden downturn.

How many A380's would they require for daily AKL-LAX-LHR and SFO-AKL-MEL flights? And would a fleet of that size be worth while? I heard six (for some reason) was the magic number.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7261 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18115 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 2):
I remember thinking a while ago that the idea of a small fleet of 380s could be viable for those exact routes.

I have always felt that way about NZs LAX. For one thing it allows 77W/77E fleets to be released for other duties around the pacific rim, It also allows them to perform a once a day flight if they want during low season without losing capacity completely. No issues with fitting sky couches and all that stuff as well..

And It'd be good to operate APW/TBU at Christmas time, there should be just enough space for all the hand carriage.. 


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18090 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 3):
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 4):

Well then the 748i would be the way to go   (I'm saying that as a 747 lover and the 8i would probably allow NZ more flexibility). I suppose 6 A380s would be the magic number, I don't know. 6 is a small fleet, but nor ridiculously small. But yea they could use the 77W fleet to supplement NZ5/6, maybe Oz-LAX? All theoretical of course


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18075 times:

I think that the argument against 480 seat A380 aircraft was that on the LAX and LHR routes they would lose money in low demand periods.

I'm unconvinced. At times of low demand either NZ5/6 could be suspended or else China could be reduced below daily and receive the A380 instead.

That ship has now sailed, but I remain unconvinced that 77W + 789 > 380 + 350.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7261 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17978 times:

From 12th August to 01st November LA will be cancelled AKLSYDAKL sectors on Mondays and Thursdays.
For those days the flight will arrive at 04:30am and will stay in Auckland until Santiago departure at 16:15pm.

Quoting koruman (Reply 6):
I think that the argument against 480 seat A380 aircraft was that on the LAX and LHR routes they would lose money in low demand periods.

AKL-LAX-LHR is now pulling a profit. I think this is great news for NZ.
In which case I'd love for iSuperHeavy ops to happen, even if it would stuff AKL up something chronic. On a related note double airbridge A380 works for G10 starts on 17th July.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17969 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 7):
AKL-LAX-LHR is now pulling a profit. I think this is great news for NZ.
In which case I'd love for iSuperHeavy ops to happen, even if it would stuff AKL up something chronic. On a related note double airbridge A380 works for G10 starts on 17th July.

The news about the profit is wonderful.

But I actually have doubts about the replacement of the Premium Economy SpaceSeat.

I agree that it takes up a lot of real estate and is heavy. I'd add that it's not very comfortable for sleeping either.

But there is another issue in play here, too. It is of domestic First/Business Class quality and so can be sold at a considerable premium over Economy class fares. I have bought my family a total of eight return Premium Economy BNE-LHR fares on it over the next 12 months, and they cost A$5000 each, when I could have an Economy fare on an Asian carrier for not much more than 35% of that cost. But these were tickets with my own $$$ rather than an employer's, and I thought the outlay worthwhile, especially given our ability to upgrade sectors due to ongoing Gold Elite status.

I'm assuming that NZ will end up with 2-3-2 Premium Economy on the 789 and 2-4-2 on the 77W. And I don't think that they will be able to maintain their yields on the key LHR-LAX (and vice versa) sectors if that is the case.

Anyway, back to the A380 v 77W argument.

The argument against the A380 was always that an aircraft configured 50 Business Premier / 50 Premium Economy / 350 Economy would at times be "too big" for the demand. And that Air NZ would find itself in the same boat that Virgin Australia often finds itself in with its excessively large 77W's: needing to sell an extra unwanted 50+ seats at fare levels so low that overall yields suffer.

But the difference is that Virgin Australia:

1) has nowhere else to hide the 77Ws at low demand times - their entire long-haul network is LAX and Abu Dhabi.
2) has no smaller vehicles with the range to fly non-stop to those destinations.

I don't think the argument washes with me. As I've written, if demand softens, consolidate NZ1 and NZ5 into a single A380. Or else send it to China on Tuesday and cancel Wednesday's flight, and consolidate two 767 flights onto a single A380.

The 77W + 789 +/- 77E fleet made sense when Qantas still flew AKL-LAX.

But now that they have exited, I think a 380 + 350 fleet would make much, much more sense.

[Edited 2013-07-14 21:48:22]

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17880 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 8):
The argument against the A380 was always that an aircraft configured 50 Business Premier / 50 Premium Economy / 350 Economy would at times be "too big" for the demand.

450 seats is not too much more than a 744, doable with a A380. I still think the 8I would be a better fit due flexibility, and it can be configured to around 420 which would be a nice managable increase in Capacity for the airline.


User currently offlinenirvarma From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 17643 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 7):
On a related note double airbridge A380 works for G10 starts on 17th July.

Is it just G10 thats getting a second airbridge? Are there plans to fit additional gates with second airbridges?

Cheers
NV


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17621 times:

Quoting nirvarma (Reply 10):
Are there plans to fit additional gates with second airbridges?

Well there's always the extension of the new pier which would increase the capacity. I'm not sure if any other gate at AKL could possibly be dual airbridged. But either way, there will only be 3 A380s scheduled for AKL and theoretically no more are needed. MH (and maybe the other A380 operators in HKG) use single airbridges in HKG.. Which doesn't seem to have any problems or complaints from passengers.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17565 times:

If Air New Zealand was to order 747-8s, I suspect it would be because of a hefty discount from Boeing for buying an unpopular model. Having A380s would be a pain anytime an aircraft goes tech; too bigger difference in capacity between it and a 77W/77E.

From the last thread:
Quoting 777ER (Reply 203):
Surprised this new delivery isn't in one of the new liverys!

Yes, I do wonder why also. Maybe they want to debut the new livery on a 787 first?

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 210):

Thankyou.

Quoting koruman (Reply 209):

   I can understand why people might be worried to fly the 787 on long, over water flights.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17543 times:
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Quoting zkojq (Reply 12):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 203):Surprised this new delivery isn't in one of the new liverys!
Yes, I do wonder why also. Maybe they want to debut the new livery on a 787 first?

The first roll out of the new livery is later this year, the first 787 is next year


User currently offlinePalmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined exactly 3 years ago today! , 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17538 times:

From the previous thread:

Quote:
Next sharkleted aircraft OXB on the way.

Surprised this new delivery isn't in one of the new liverys!

I'm surprised too....why isn't OXB in the new livery? The announcement was made in early June....

Maybe NZ is pulling a Malaysia Airlines on us and only using their livery for their 'flagships'....hope not.


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Anybody actually know when the next aircraft (first in the fern scheme) is due to emerge, if at all?

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 5):
Well then the 748i would be the way to go

  

That would be marvellous....I mean, even with the fern livery on the A380, to paraphrase a saying - you can dress up a whale any way you like...but it'll still be a whale! The same logic applies to the 747-8 - to paraphrase another saying, a queen by any other name would look as sweet...



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7261 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 17445 times:

Quoting nirvarma (Reply 10):
Is it just G10 thats getting a second airbridge? Are there plans to fit additional gates with second airbridges?

I heard talk that G2 would also gain a splitable double as in Pier B, but at the expense of G4.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 17436 times:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/china-southe...87-flights-to-auckland-in-december

CZ have confirmed x3 weekly Boeing 787 services to AKL from mid December 2013.

The current CZ305/306 service will continue using an Airbus A330, but the new flight – tagged as CZ333/336 – will run three days each week on a Boeing 787.

Those flights are:
CZ336, departing Auckland at 10am on Sunday, Wednesday and Friday to arrive into Guangzhou at 5pm
CZ335, leaving Guangzhou at 2.30pm on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday to land in Auckland at 7am the following day



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User currently offlinePalmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined exactly 3 years ago today! , 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17279 times:

Quoting Palmyboy12 (Reply 14):
I'm surprised too....why isn't OXB in the new livery? The announcement was made in early June....Maybe NZ is pulling a Malaysia Airlines on us and only using their livery for their 'flagships'....hope not. View Large View MediumPhoto © Jason WoodView Large View MediumPhoto © Pawarin PrapukdeeAnybody actually know when the next aircraft (first in the fern scheme) is due to emerge, if at all?
Quoting 777ER (Reply 13):

The first roll out of the new livery is later this year, the first 787 is next year

EDIT: Sorry about that...took me a while to fiddle with the intricacies of airliners post editing - by the time I finished your posts had appeared.



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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16868 times:

regarding flights Australia/Queenstown nonstop

It seems VA/NZ are dumping some seats.

Was looking at accommodation in ZQN & earlybird type deals seem to be extended & extended, which seems surprising with the good snowfall.

It appears that bookings of both flights & hotels hasn't lived up to all the hype in the media, which seems to be counterproductive.

The media says flights & accommodation are filling up fast, when they aren't, which make some people say why both looking.

Also some fares BNE/ZQN/BNE are more expensive than BNE/LAX/BNE.

It also appears that many travel agencies have given up on booking NZ as so little in it for them, so people must book their own flights & coordinate that accommodation bookings, which is what the agents used to do.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16806 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 18):
Also some fares BNE/ZQN/BNE are more expensive than BNE/LAX/BNE.

Well that's what happens when you have supply and demand and only up to three airlines flying a route. Australia - LAX has many options (routes and airlines) while Australia-ZQN doesn't

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 18):
It also appears that many travel agencies have given up on booking NZ as so little in it for them, so people must book their own flights & coordinate that accommodation bookings, which is what the agents used to do.

While its sad travel agents have given up, its also a sign of todays world and the future. Travel Agents are a dying breed IMHO as the internet takes over. What could only be done by a travel agent previously is now becoming possible on airline's web-sites. I prefer to book my own tickets now as I can choose routes/times etc that suit/interest me. Travel Agents only book you with carriers that look after them so are biased towards airlines.

On my recent trip to the USA last month I booked NZ as usual to LAX and to get to MIA with UA I decided to go via DEN and IAH to try the B739, B788 (didn't happen as flight was cancelled due to pilot issues) on the UA web-site and DL from DTW-SFO to fly the B753. The 'normal' option would have sent me to MIA via IAH.


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16760 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 18):Also some fares BNE/ZQN/BNE are more expensive than BNE/LAX/BNE.
Well that's what happens when you have supply and demand and only up to three airlines flying a route. Australia - LAX has many options (routes and airlines) while Australia-ZQN doesn't

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 18):It also appears that many travel agencies have given up on booking NZ as so little in it for them, so people must book their own flights & coordinate that accommodation bookings, which is what the agents used to do.
While its sad travel agents have given up, its also a sign of todays world and the future. Travel Agents are a dying breed IMHO as the internet takes over. What could only be done by a travel agent previously is now becoming possible on airline's web-sites. I prefer to book my own tickets now as I can choose routes/times etc that suit/interest me. Travel Agents only book you with carriers that look after them so are biased towards airlines.

On my recent trip to the USA last month I booked NZ as usual to LAX and to get to MIA with UA I decided to go via DEN and IAH to try the B739, B788 (didn't happen as flight was cancelled due to pilot issues) on the UA web-site and DL from DTW-SFO to fly the B753. The 'normal' option would have sent me to MIA via IAH.

BNE/LAX only has 2 airlines nonstop.

BNE/ZQN in winter only really has 2 as well, as VA/NZ can be considered 1 airline.

QF has stuff all-once a week for around 12 weeks a year. Why on earth doesn't JQ fly BNE/ZQN ?

On the one hand you have fares BNE/ZQN/BNE AROUND $1K but on the other hand NZ is dumping for $350-$500.

NZ/VA do 10 per week in busy part of winter (twice on Sundays) but they can't use bigger aircraft & with limited windows at both BNE & ZQN

hard to see them putting on more weekend flights, except possibly another on Sat.

Who wants to depart at 0545(Wed), which means checking in at BNE at 0500 at latest or 0615 Wed, Fri, Sun ?

Talking to an agent, they are doing lots of Europe, Asia, USA etc. but virtually no Australia or NZ, which may come back to bite airlines.

They also told me that many fares can't be found online at all anywhere. Eg. Australia to USA on QF & then back on FJ, which is almost always cheaper than QF in both directions & can't be found online even on QF or FJ websites.

Said they like families as they make commission x number in party & often have stopovers, which again are hard to search for online + few tricks of the trade which wouldn't divulge.

Said they often get price shoppers who say they must fly these dates & they come back to them with if you do it this way or that might be cheaper, when told if moves dates day or 2 or stopover for day or 2 they'll save 1000's.

Seems many people stupidly believe that everything online is the cheaper.

When you do a search online, computer only searches for EXACTLY what you ask for & computer can't think of other ways of doing things.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16706 times:

''Air New Zealand Plans Honolulu Service Increase from late-June 2014''

Is this to do with the 787's arriving in June?

. From 24JUN14 to 27SEP14

NZ010 AKL1100 – 2145-1HNL 763 x135
NZ009 HNL2300 – 0625+2AKL 763 x247

how soon will it take to switch over to a 787 flight?



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16658 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 21):
how soon will it take to switch over to a 787 flight?

If PVG and NRT are to get 789 first, then it will be 2015 earliest before we see 789 on HNL


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16650 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 20):
BNE/LAX only has 2 airlines nonstop.

BNE/ZQN in winter only really has 2 as well, as VA/NZ can be considered 1 airline.

QF has stuff all-once a week for around 12 weeks a year. Why on earth doesn't JQ fly BNE/ZQN ?

On the one hand you have fares BNE/ZQN/BNE AROUND $1K but on the other hand NZ is dumping for $350-$500.

Even if those airports only have 2 direct options, there is always connections via other airports which sometimes can be cheaper. High fares are a result of supply and demand. Customers demand flights and the airlines put on X amount of flights that they know they can charge good fares on and return a profit. Customers will always buy those tickets

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 20):
Talking to an agent, they are doing lots of Europe, Asia, USA etc. but virtually no Australia or NZ, which may come back to bite airlines.

I don't think it will bite those airlines as booking short haul flights yourself is really simple. Booking long haul flights with hotels, tours, cars etc is also easy but can involve hours of work. You can even save money doing it yourself compared to the travel agent.

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 20):
They also told me that many fares can't be found online at all anywhere. Eg. Australia to USA on QF & then back on FJ, which is almost always cheaper than QF in both directions & can't be found online even on QF or FJ websites.

Doesn't matter if you can't book a return flight in one booking as mixing and matching could result in saved money.

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 20):
Seems many people stupidly believe that everything online is the cheaper.

Doing it yourself allows you different options and you can save money doing it yourself, you've just got to look at ALL the airline/options. I saved money booking my recent USA holiday myself and I got to travel via an interesting route. I would have saved even more money if I didn't go via DEN


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16600 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):
Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 20):They also told me that many fares can't be found online at all anywhere. Eg. Australia to USA on QF & then back on FJ, which is almost always cheaper than QF in both directions & can't be found online even on QF or FJ websites.
Doesn't matter if you can't book a return flight in one booking as mixing and matching could result in saved money.

Are you serious ?

Book 2 one ways to USA & it cost a fortune. One way fares are close to cheapest return fares.


25 777ER : Yes I'm 100% serious. Could've flown NZ to LAX and FJ return last month for cheaper then NZs return fare but didn't want to risk a tight connection f
26 ZK-NBT : I'd say with 50J and 50W they would fit over 400Y seats which is rather large. The aircraft would be harder than the 744s to place during the day so
27 aerorobnz : Maintenance requirements on their much reduced A343 I have heard. All pasengers incorporated intoQF schedule I think...
28 ZK-NBT : Probably is, they are down to 2 A343s soon. They are 5 weekly SCL-AKL during that period down from 6.
29 SCL767 : That is correct. The SCL-AKL-SYD route will indeed operate 5x weekly until the end of October. LAN will phase out CC-CQF relatively soon as our airli
30 PA515 : There have been some changes to the Air NZ domestic schedule. All 23 DHC's will be used from 12 Aug. There's a new 0740/0900 NSN-AKL which then does a
31 HanginOut : While a.netters may be willing to take the time and effort to research fares (I know I love hunting down a good bargain), the average person won't bo
32 777ER : Firstly that was my comment and secondly. Yes the majority of 'normal' people don't understand that, but I think you would be surprised how many peop
33 SYDAIRPORTS : that's a return ticket not 2 x one ways. NZ codshare on FJ NAN/LAX/NAN flights.
34 Post contains images mariner : I've found that if you book on the airline website, often it is cheaper. And I never book round trip returns anymore, always 2 x one way, because I d
35 aerorobnz : Yep often this is true, though sometimes it is cheaper to purchase via somewhere like expedia if they have brokered a special bulk rate. Yep. .lol I
36 NZ107 : GDS has CZ bringing the 787 daily on its usual flight from 28 Oct; not just for that seasonal 3x weekly extra service.[Edited 2013-07-18 01:08:45]
37 777ER : Yes NZ do codeshare on FJs services but booking directly on FJs web-site was cheaper then booking the FJ services on NZ. If I had more time for a con
38 Post contains links zkojq : The first Boeing 787-9 has been rolled out. I believe this aircraft will become ZK-NZE once Boeing has finished with it. Looks much better than the 78
39 Post contains images aerorobnz : It just looks like an updated 767-300/-400. Nice to see a 787 without scorch marks though..
40 SYDAIRPORTS : think what actually happens is like general retail. A certain % of population doesn't care about cost, just convenience. So these people pay whatever
41 aotearoa : I believe this will become ZK-NZC. The first delivery will in fact be ZK-NZE. This will come straight off the production line, as will F and G. C and
42 byronicle6 : With the delivery of the first 787-9 for NZ expected in July 2014 (to be used on NRT, PVG) which will free up other aircraft. Does this mean that we w
43 aerorobnz : Yes I have a fairly good indication of what is to come.. But I'd never risk my job for the bragging rights of releasing the info.
44 keen2fly : I'm not really sure about this one, because New Zealand has an ageing population and a fair amount of the older people here have money to burn as the
45 Post contains links NZ107 : IVC is redeveloping its terminal and they'll lose their jetbridge: http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-tim...make-airbridge-a-thing-of-the-past "Everyone
46 motorhussy : So that will free up 2 x 77E, yes? South America - GRU maybe? Asia - ICN maybe? Or now that the HKG-LHR leg is gone - AKL-SFO-LHR hopefully...
47 xiaotung : Or Mumbai? Is the recent Airpoints partnership with Jet Airways just a random thing?
48 ZK-NBT : Remember the 744s will be gone by around October last I heard anyway, and the 772s will be refitted starting March 2014. Aerorobnz obviously knows mo
49 koruman : I still don't see why SFO can't be extended to LHR, especially now that AKL-LAX-LHR is profitable. The argument against two sector flights is basicall
50 NZ1 : Even though it may have been unveiled then; the time required to produce proper technical drawings and have Airbus change paint schemes at the last m
51 777ER : I'm going to guess it will be a long haul aircraft, so either a 772 or 77W.
52 byronicle6 : I have always though that with the yields NZ is getting on North American routes that an AKL-IAH would work well or DEN/ ORD (especially considering t
53 ZK-NBT : If they paint aircraft that are due to be painted first if there are any that is due i'd say the 772 fleet would be first, then again the new Domesti
54 gardermoen : Wow, an airport actually decommisioning an air bridge?! This must be a first! Intrigued to know if this is the first time this has happened. Most air
55 NZ107 : Fog in CHC.. 2 NZ A320 diversions to AKL that I've seen on FR24. I wonder if it could cause the 747SP to divert to AKL as well if it happened to be fl
56 Palmyboy12 : Flights have been diverted from CHC due to weather conditions - fog according to CHC airport website JQ259 AKL-CHC ETA:2225 Diverted to AKL NZ804 BNE-
57 Post contains images Palmyboy12 : UPDATE: ZK-PBM has stopped circuiting and seems to be heading northwards (AKL bound, I suppose) Also in AKL NZ804 from BNE has landed after diverting
58 aerorobnz : The main issue with these diversions is that AKL currently is minus Gate 9 and that on any given morning there is no room for scheduled aircraft, let
59 777ER : When one of my CHC-WLG flights was cancelled due to fog NZ put me into a hotel about 2mins drive away with meal vouchers for dinner and breakfast whi
60 aerorobnz : It still does not make it mandatory... The diversions were all around the time of the WLG runway curfew. It might have made it, but it wasn't worth t
61 Palmyboy12 : Should've probably used a different word there - by compensation I meant hotel stays etc.
62 aerohottie : ding ding ding... I think we have a winner. I really hope it is a AKL-IAH flight
63 SYDAIRPORTS : this is insane !!! IVC has lengthened their runway at great expense, to make it attractive for international flights from OZ, as an alternative to ZQ
64 Unclekoru : ] As Aerorobnz mentioned, schedule recovery is often easier if the aircraft diverts to AKL, especially for VA and Jetstar who do not have any crew bas
65 Palmyboy12 : Hi, I may have heard info from some sources before (like old NZ aviation threads) but I am still unsure about some things regarding NZ's A320 fleet an
66 ZKSUJ : HLZ springs to mind. I think they had an airbridge back in the day...
67 Post contains links zkojq : ZK-NGE is currently being stored in Shannon, Ireland. http://bit.ly/18oM7yO Given the current news, I'm curious as to what size of an earthquake/after
68 WSTAKL : Looks like a few diversions due to the earthquake in the lower north island. JQ261 AKL-WLG carried on to CHC. NZ459 turned around and went back to AKL
69 deconz : In fact the runway was lengthened many many years ago as IVC is a backup airport for operation Deep Freeze. Nothing whatsoever to do with flights to/
70 777ER : No but its basically what airlines do anyway. How is it insane? IVC will never be an international airport as it doesn't have processing staff. Staff
71 texan : Not much disruption at WLG. But that 6.5 sucked. The 5.8 this morning and 5.5 on Friday were bad enough. Glass throughout the CBD, especially on Lambt
72 aerorobnz : This flight's aircraft positioned to MEL with pilots and cabin crew at STD0700 to operate the return MEL-CHC sector which still operated. That was ba
73 SYDAIRPORTS : someone was appointed by IVC to get flighs from OZ. It's insane as backward step. Who wants to get wet & fortlifts are very time comsuming &
74 koruman : The only people I've ever encountered who think this are on A.net. There is yourself, and previously there was a poster called Simpilicity and a post
75 SYDAIRPORTS : IVC is back door into ZQN so majority of traffic is inbound into NZ not outbound to OZ. Road from DUD to ZQN is about 4 hours drive, windy, up hill &
76 davidByrne : . . . and don't forget ECONOMICS!
77 koruman : I do agree with that, but skiing is pretty much a niche market - and an expensive one - everywhere. I fall precisely into the demographic to which yo
78 zkncj : You find the IVC-ZQN drive appealing? I did it once and never would do it again. Nor do people want to start / end there holiday in IVC You have to r
79 SYDAIRPORTS : that's economy not PE (at least not on NZ which is closer to AUD$4k) & yes you can get to LAX for under $3k in economy, but you have to go to Uta
80 777ER : Is soo sad when passengers fly in/out of a REGIONAL only airport have to walk onto the tarmac to board/disembark an aircraft and even more sad when i
81 SYDAIRPORTS : hard to compare apples with apples, as virtually no ons nwo accom in NZ apart from club lodges & a handful of apartments at Cardrona. See this is
82 deconz : That might well be true. However, as I recall you used this as the REASON for the runway extension which was not the case!
83 SCL767 : For the NW2013 high season, LAN will operate the SCL-AKL-SYD route on a daily basis. Source: amadeus.net
84 SYDAIRPORTS : fair enough. The local mayor may have implied this as another reason why it should be extended.
85 777ER : Why stay at Cardrona? What is so wrong with staying in Queenstown or Wanaka at a hotel or even a motel? No I believe I'm actually correct as I'm look
86 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I dunno man. There's a reason we used to go 'sledging' on open home signs we 'found' when going to the snow. The hire costs for skis, sledges, snowbo
87 777ER : Just because a runway extension is done, does it mean an International service will happen? Lets look at Napier/Hastings Airport! They have extended
88 aerokiwi : I actually agree, but not for the reasons you state. Having used IVC a lot in my early years, the inclement weather certainty made the airbridge appe
89 Post contains images HLZCPH : HLZ had an air bridge years ago. Story is that it was owned by Air NZ and when the B732's stopped coming the air bridge went too. They are over rated
90 alangirvan : ATRs got aerobridges at Dunedin during the early days. It was a very long aerobridge, so the 737 did not need a tug to push back - it just turned on t
91 SYDAIRPORTS : Students have relatively no money & are very seasonal (their holidays) Hev you actually driven from CHC or DUD to ZQN ? CHC is a long drive-prob
92 koruman : Does Queenstown actually want LCC customers or families? Each time I have been it has appeared to target three markets: 1) Affluent couples with no ki
93 cchan : Seasonal, yes. No money, no. Don't forget there are plenty of international students out there who travel back to their country each year and most of
94 Post contains links SYDAIRPORTS : Don't think you get it. Queenstown needs all market segments, ie everyone it can get. Acommodation supply far exceeds the flights that operate now. I
95 aerorobnz : If anyone wants to spot OXB on it's first day of service... NZ 504 CHC AKL 0650-29 0810-29 NZ 509 AKL CHC 0910 1030 NZ 510 CHC AKL 1105 1225 NZ 527 AK
96 aerokiwi : I'm pretty loathe to join this ZQN argument because we've thrashed this out so many times before with ECONOMICS, RealDeal, Simplicity etc etc. Tiring.
97 koruman : Of course Queenstown room numbers exceed airline seats. There are these two pretty big cities called Christchurch and Dunedin. Their residents have be
98 MillwallSean : Not sure i agree with that. Stayed at both the Hilton and Novotel in Queenstown over the last few months. And staff is horrible. Its the British back
99 zkncj : Air New Zealand owns the airbridges, and they are not willing to put the money into have it apart of the new Terminal. Same happens with HLZ when the
100 SYDAIRPORTS : yes but by a long way & weekenders only account for 1 or 2 nights a week. They have to fill Sun-Thu nights. During the massive building boom a fe
101 ZKSUJ : Nah you'd think 1 airbridge is already too much. No jets operate into IVC and just like in any other port in NZ the turboprops are more than capable
102 ZK-NBT : During January only from what I can see.
103 Post contains links zkojq : This has been going around pilot circles very recently but hasn't reached here yet. http://www.caa.gen.nz/?p=3133 Data is woefully deficient if they t
104 NZ107 : I just wished NZ had a cadetship programme like many overseas airlines.. I might be a pilot now if there was such a programme..
105 koruman : Just to put Invercargill Airport's busyness into perspective, here our today's passenger departures: 0630: WLG (DH3) 0650: CHC (DH3) 1040: CHC (ATR72)
106 777ER : I think its a sad fact that NZ now needs to look overseas for pilots and it could easily get worse for any airlines (JQ, QF included). My 22 year old
107 zkncj : If anything NZ is likely just to relocate it to another airport, there domestic A320/737 gates are WLG and AKL are both are about to be expanded. In
108 ZKSUJ : Saw that too, all I can say is I know more than 8 personally who heavily exceed the Part 121 min requirements and have no call for interview. Don't k
109 777ER : 3 air bridges in AKL? I counted 6 NZ domestic air bridges last month and 2 or 3 stair gates on the ground floor. Was a nice change boarding via the e
110 aerokiwi : I think it's probably nonsense. NZ is probably just trying to import foreign pilots that already have the hours so they don't have to train up lesser
111 Post contains links ZKOJH : With all this hype about IVC getting a make over so to speak can we at least get a decent website! the one that is on offer is pretty rubbish to say.
112 zkncj : While there are 6 airbridges at AKL Domestic, NZ only gets to use 3 of them and the other 3 are solely used by JQ.
113 aerokiwi : I thought there were at least 4 NZ domestic airbridges. In fact, yes, there are. Nothing ever changes in IVC. Nothing.
114 NZ107 : NZ has 4 to use from the NZ side.. There are 2 in the old Ansett side which JQ use. It's shown clearly on Google Maps
115 NZ1 : Just to update, OXB will now likely be pressed into service tomorrow on NZ526 to AKL at 12:30 due to airline requirements. NZ1
116 aotearoa : OXB into service within 48 hours of delivery. That must be some kind of record from delivery to in-service. Obviously not many mandatory preservice ma
117 aerorobnz : From memory they did the same with OJS too. That was within 36h of arrival I think. It was because there was 1 733 and a 320 out of dom service.
118 Post contains images zkojq : I know it isn't civil, but does anyone know the identity of the C-17 that was approaching RW21 at Whenuapai about an hour and a half ago? I managed to
119 ZKSUJ : Yea the CAA rules pretty much make a CPL worthless when it comes to the link carriers. With a CPL & MEIR one can not legally be a pilot for Air N
120 sunrisevalley : I don't see this as an integrity issue. Isn't it a matter of exactly what they are setting the "standard" at ? Sometime this will have to be revealed
121 NZ1 : Correct. Some work has been deferred to a later maintenance slot. NZ1
122 aerorobnz : as controversal as it may be, I personally don't have a problem with bringing in overseas pilots to fulfil the need of the airline provided their stan
123 koruman : Last week I was on the delayed NZ1 LAX-AKL, connecting to NZ135 AKL-BNE. The first flight was delayed at LHR due to the 787 fire closing the airport,
124 NZ107 : Did he happen to be Dave Morgan? He's always such a great commentator when he's in the cockpit - I was lucky enough to have him fly my 733 WLG-AKL.
125 aerorobnz : Quite right. Many of our pilots are wonderful and love a good honest chat to the passengers but that trait is not unique to new zealand trained pilot
126 777ER : Not sure how correct this is, but I was told by my Grandad years ago that NZ had a B762 delivered directly to WLG from Boeing and it entered service
127 ZKOJH : plane spotters at AKL get ready for a change between Nov and Feb... China Airlines from 28NOV13 to 28FEB14 is increasing Taipei Taoyuan – Brisbane
128 777ER : YES! Great to see another B744 flying to AKL. I've always thought the flight was direct to Taipei but guess its not! Always wanted to fly on a A330 s
129 Post contains links PA515 : The first part is correct. ZK-NBA was delivered PAE-NAN-WLG arriving 10 Sep 1985 and from memory it was raining so the front of the aircraft was towe
130 ZKSUJ : Government says no pilot shortage in it's prelim findings. I'd imagine big relief for the guys here trying to break in to the carrier from hearing thi
131 pa747sp : NZ's problem has always been small fleet/long routes. Stretching a small fleet over a long distances creates nightmares for getting cost efficiencies.
132 cchan : Are you talking about years ago? AKL-LAX-LHR has not seen a NZ 747 for some years. 77E yes, but 77W no, they just bought another 2x 77W to be deliver
133 NZ107 : Obviously the 747 was too big for LAX-LHR, so no wonder BA is introducing double daily A380s on this route.
134 ZKSUJ : Yea I know. I was under the impression that NZ was the carrier of choice on the LAX-LHR route for the 'rich and famous'. And was also mentioned somew
135 zkncj : The 77W only has 30 less seats than the 744
136 ZKSUJ : I thought NZ107's post was implied with a bit of scarcasm...
137 KiwiRob : But you can do ZQN return for a long weekend which many Aussies do. Maybe a niche market in Australasia but not in many other parts of the world. Que
138 Post contains links and images Palmyboy12 : First look at the painted 787-9 from The Boeing Company's flickr account.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/theboeingcompany/9375872988/
139 ZK-NBT : 47 to be precise. While it is a long flight and was losing money for a while, I personally doubt it was the lowest yeilding route in the network, the
140 zkncj : I wonder if it will get repainted or if NZ will operate in the BOEING Livery
141 aotearoa : This a/c will not join the Air New Zealand fleet until 2015. It will go back for a full refurbishment (including an ANZ livery) after Boeing have comp
142 BonzoLab : Actually the 600s are unable to use the airbridge because their Thales electronic suite is rather sensitive to magnetic disturbances outside the IVC
143 Post contains links and images zkojq : It seems that they have set 'the standard' particularly high so that they can stand back and complain to the Immigration/Labour Department that they
144 Post contains images mariner : Airlines have nearly gone bust chasing frequency. mariner
145 aerorobnz : No. but only NZ has a permanent fleet of over 8-9 aircraft and more than one type.. They are the only ones really affected by this shortage... Jetcon
146 MillwallSean : Can we calm down with the world famous in New Zealand myths now? No NZ isnt the carrier for the rich and famous between LHR-LAX. They are about as fa
147 ZKSUJ : I think you didn't get my sarcasm when I said 'rich and famous' (in quotation marks). There was a thread a few years back about B-grade celebs using
148 WSTAKL : I thought celebrities loved NZ?....I mean if you are one, NZ allow your pet's in the cabin! What other airline allows that awesome privilege?[Edited 2
149 mariner : The rich and famous? No. But there is a whole subgroup of modestly well-to-do - or very well-paid - who do fly it, second-tier studio execs, actors w
150 pa747sp : When I was working for NZ AKL LHR was the lowest yielding route. It was operated because 1) LAX LHR was relatively high yielding and 2) it was believ
151 aerokiwi : I think it's pretty apt though really - we think we're world famous, but that fame is confined to our borders. Yup, still getting regular discount de
152 KiwiRob : You need to fly in Europe, just about every airline I've flown on allows you to travel with your miniature mutt. Which is what my friends husband did
153 koruman : Calm down everybody. I'm probably as big a defender of AKL-LAX-LHR as anybody, but let me pin my colours to the mast with the following comments: 1. A
154 nz2 : Agree, one time I sat next to a US couple who said that their fare was so cheap (in Biz) they felt compelled to take the trip to LON as it was such a
155 777ER : It is a known fact that flying an airline that isn't from your home country will always be cheaper then your national/home based carrier. There was a
156 Post contains links and images zkojq : I'd love to know what the benchmark for the comparison here is, at least for the Link Carriers. US Regionals maybe? The starting pay at Eagle Air is
157 Post contains links NZ107 : Some old airline seats on Trademe if anyone was interested.. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=618975791 I was just wondering if anyone
158 zkncj : They look like the old 744 first class seats
159 ZKSUJ : If this is indeed true, I'm very suprised at the lack of fuss among the pilot group at NZ. Many would see it as cutting the queue and NZ has not hire
160 Mr AirNZ : As ZKSUJ says, there is very little chance your friends husband is heading back to Air New Zealand as 777 Captain. He would have to join at the botto
161 nzrich : No not the first class seats but they look similar
162 ZKSUJ : Good post btw. Not easy for newbies in this country, like I said before I personally know many more than 8 who qualify, so something's not adding up
163 Post contains images zkojq : I assume that in this situation the returning pilot would be placed at the bottom of the airline's seniority list and be the least senior 777 pilot.
164 Post contains links NZ107 : http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?sid=1&aid=80&dir=2013/July/Monday29 So this story says Air Botswana bought two ATR 72-500s from New Zealand in 2
165 nzrich : They were originally going to Kingfisher but then delivered to Air Botswana
166 ZKSUJ : The impression I get (and correct me if I'm wrong anyone) is that he'd probably be at the bottom as a SO on one of the long haul fleet. As Mr AirNZ s
167 keen2fly : When to the 77E's go in for refitting again? Also when they have the interior refitted will it be part of a greater check (C,D?) which involves the ne
168 haggis73 : QF141 ZK-ZQH landed at AKL around 12 noon, brakes have fully jammed on, with the aircraft still partly blocking the runway. AKL is currently closed at
169 NZ107 : Wow..... All three EK planes have diverted.. And MH is doing some crazy as holding. Check out FR24! To add to that, CX197 has diverted to Ohakea.. Mu
170 NZ1 : All 3 EK aircraft have diverted to CHC. A380's A6-EEF & A6-EDA and 77W A6-EGH. NZ1
171 HLZCPH : I see on FR24 a VA 77W (VH-VPH) has arrived in AKL a short while ago. Is it here for maintenance?
172 NZ107 : Engine change I believe.
173 aerorobnz : CHC will have been A380 prioritised....CX will have had to go there.
174 KiwiRob : All I know is what I have been told. I can't see why he would come back if he was heading to the back of the cue, it would be better for him to stay
175 Post contains links 777ER : Surprised no one has posted this interesting news yet! NZ has taken former Air Nelson CEO Grant Kerr to the Employment Court in relation to a clause i
176 PA515 : Got this wrong. Still only 22 of the 23 Q300's in the schedule. The 'new' 0740/0900 NSN-AKL is the 0700/0750 CHC-NSN, 0810/0930 NSN-AKL 30 mins earli
177 motorhussy : If he has that clause in his contract then there's no way on Earth that he should be allowed to join team JQ during that restraint period. Hopefully
178 NZ107 : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=560486677342492&set=a.169368193121011.42471.166362086754955&type=1&theater My friend snapped a fe
179 Mr AirNZ : Like many things that end up in court, it's all about interpretation. I gather Grant Kerr is angling that the six months he spent on 'gardening leave
180 motorhussy : Wasn't aware he'd already been away from NZ for 6-months; in which case, I'd agree a further six is excessive. Thanks for the info.
181 nascarnut : AKL is set for some significant capacity increases before Christmas CI to operate 744 AKL-BNE-TPE replacing 333 CX to go to 2 x daily 343 AKL-HKG. New
182 NZ107 : Thanks for the summary.. It sure looks impressive when viewed like that! Good to see another 744 operator to AKL.
183 duff : Some of you might be interested to know the NZ 744s will be serving the odd AKL - Japan over the next couple of months
184 keen2fly : It sure is very interesting to see how much capacity is being added at AKL, New Zealand sure is attracting much more interest from all over the world.
185 nascarnut : Here is an example of why AKL has issues with capacity in the morning. Following is Saturday morning 0430 VA162 ex APW 738 0430 LA801 ex SCL 343 0500
186 777ER : Yikes that's a lot of upgraded services! Would certainly hate to be at the back of those lines for processing! I thought arriving on NZ7 towards the
187 koruman : The mornings aren't that bad. The reason for so many NZ arrivals so close together from LAX/YVR/PPT/APW is to allow onward connections to Australia, s
188 777ER : The 20-40% would certainly have to be combined. Only other problem with those morning arrivals is the flights from the Pacific Islands, seems like ev
189 koruman : My wild guess would be: YVR + SFO: 35% onward to Australia LAX + PPT + RAR: 20% onward to Australia APW + TBW: 10% onward to Australia
190 ZK-NBT : Does AKL still have a limit of was it 2000 PAX processing an hour? Some of those are annual upgrades like CX, KE etc. NZ are gradually increasing Nor
191 zkncj : I do wonder, wouldn't think AKL would say no to flights even if it puts them over 2000/hr. Just look at EK from October with 1400 people in just unde
192 NZ107 : Wasn't that in the mid 2000s? They've since expanded the immigration and quarantine area - they 'did' it for the World Cup I think.. And the fact tha
193 ZK-NBT : True. Not sure I thought it was a general thing, I maybe wrong and it may well have changed. I've never really had it bad at AKL. The worst I had was
194 sunrisevalley : assuming EDTO-330 the airways distance GRU-AKL is ~6556nm which on the day the flight plan I saw was prepared was a 15hr flight with an ESAD of ~7300
195 koruman : I think that there are two major questions in choosing a new long-haul destination for Air New Zealand. Question 1: Does geography allow for feed onw
196 sunrisevalley : what seat configuration would you propose ?
197 nascarnut : IAH would be an excellent option for the 787. With the number of passengers connecting ex LAX/SFO/YVR to destinations beyond a line drawn from IAH to
198 NZ107 : Indeed, it's a shame that UA aren't already flying this route.
199 sunrisevalley : At about an 85% passenger load factor and standard 242/ 280 seat layout belly cargo would probably make or break anyone of these city pairs. Running
200 aerorobnz : AKL is roughly 10-15% down on what is required where current facilities need to be as far as airbridges/fueling-able layovers go. (before the seasonal
201 Post contains links texan : A Milford Sound Flights aircraft crashed near ZQN this morning. 2 POB, doing a training flight. Both pilots injured, but no further information. Not s
202 Post contains links NZ107 : Indeed, someone needs to get them to construct the rest of the second pier. Having an extra 2 A380/4 narrowbody gates would be helpful for sure. http
203 BonzoLab : AKL base for Mt Cook is 500s only.
204 Post contains images A330NZ : Here is a potential schedule I made up for NZ South American Ops The routes to SCL and EZE spend a much longer time on the ground in the foreign ports
205 sunrisevalley : I have seen two flight plans for a 744 for this sector, one via Punta Arenas ( more southerly) and another via Puerto Montt ( more northerly). Both w
206 aerorobnz : Sitting here in HKG airport thinking to myself how much nice an airport AKL could be if it had dual airbridges out to Layover 19 on both sides of pie
207 NZ107 : I flew MH KUL-HKG on the A380 and was surprised to see that they were using one airbridge for disembarking! Good to know. I wonder how many seats on
208 davidByrne : Why not have a later departure from AKL to allow connections from Cairns and Adelaide (arr AKL 1810-1820)?
209 keen2fly : I totally agree, I think that an extension of pier B would be much needed and a very useful addition to the international terminal. I do recall that
210 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Part 132 (by 777ER Aug 2 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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