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Emirates Announces A380 To BCN From 01FEB  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11715 times:

Effective 01feb EK will upgrade its DXB BCN run from a 77W to 380. AT present EK operates 21 weekly flights to Spain.

Source: www.emirates.com/press-releases


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User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11684 times:
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What happens to the 777's ?

Launch a/c for new routes ?


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4802 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11686 times:

This means one B777 gets freed up to either increase frequencies some where or launch a new medium haul route to Europe or Asia/Africa.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11597 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 1):

I remember reading here that EK want to retire their A330s. So most likely the 777s will takeover the A330 routes.



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User currently onlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 629 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 10988 times:

Emirates has 55 A380s on order + options for 30 more.
Instead of opening a thread every time they announce a new destination served with the A380, it would be more simple to have one remanent thread listing destinations NOT served (yet) with this aircraft !   



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User currently offlineskyteam2000 From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10819 times:

Great news for Barcelona.

User currently offlinepierrelav From Brazil, joined Mar 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10598 times:

The inbound/ outbound flights go to GRU. Does this mean the 380 will service Brazil?

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8487 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10506 times:

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 6):
The inbound/ outbound flights go to GRU. Does this mean the 380 will service Brazil?

I think you're confusing EK with SQ.


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10469 times:

Quoting pierrelav (Reply 6):
The inbound/ outbound flights go to GRU. Does this mean the 380 will service Brazil?

You're thinking about Singapore Airlines. EK does not have a tag-on to Brazil from BCN.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13263 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10116 times:
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Does MAD see the EK A380?

Either way, this implies EK is doing well on the route.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
So most likely the 777s will takeover the A330 routes.

Do not forget the large A359 order. We'll see those replace the A332s, A345s, A343s, and 772/77E. While I'm sure some A332s will be replaced by 77Ws short term, for fleet planning, EK will have a new 'baby bus.'    IMHO, the A359 will become the launch aircraft for most routes, excluding some cities that bilaterals are keeping EK out of (e.g., Xi'an or Wuhan).

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User currently offlinewingflex744 From Singapore, joined May 2013, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9625 times:
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Quoting behramjee (Reply 2):
This means one B777 gets freed up to either increase frequencies some where or launch a new medium haul route to Europe or Asia/Africa.

Can we please have it in VCE instead of the airbus??  



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7757 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

Are you kidding me?


Seriously, are you all serious?

This ain't some Spanish April Fools day is it?


This is either an extremely risky investment or a huge middle finger to IB and IAG.

Then again, the Catalonia area is the only part of the Iberian peninsula that actually has money....



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2784 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8888 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):

Effective 01feb EK will upgrade its DXB BCN run from a 77W to 380. AT present EK operates 21 weekly flights to Spain.

Nice!

Just the other day I was thinking about it... and I was like ¨nah don´t think it will ever happen¨ and there you go.

Good news for BCN and I hope to have a chance to fly the whale 

Now we need QR to bring the A350 and I´ll be a happy chap!

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlinemfc From Spain, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8730 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Then again, the Catalonia area is the only part of the Iberian peninsula that actually has money....

That is not true. Madrid area is as wealthy as Catalonia. Emirates flies double daily to Madrid with 77Ws, that helps to make out about how large the market is.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is this not the first time that EK sends the 380 where they only fly once a day? Didn't they send the 380 to destinations with 2 or more daily frequencies?



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2784 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8583 times:

Quoting mfc (Reply 13):
That is not true. Madrid area is as wealthy as Catalonia. Emirates flies double daily to Madrid with 77Ws, that helps to make out about how large the market is

Plus Qatar and Thai (Does Korean Air still flies to MAD?) I think there are also some Chinese Airlines flying into MAD.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12136 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

EK185 DXB0740 – 1210BCN 388 D
EK186 BCN1525 – 0045+1DXB 388 D

http://airlineroute.net/2013/07/15/ek-bcn-feb14/



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User currently offlinemfc From Spain, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 14):
Does Korean Air still flies to MAD?

Yes, it does 3 times a week. Air China flies to MAD 5 times a week. QR also flies to BCN but with 330s, MAD gets a mix of 77W/77L/330, but in high season they normally send 77Ws.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11669 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8401 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Are you kidding me?


Seriously, are you all serious?

This ain't some Spanish April Fools day is it?


This is either an extremely risky investment or a huge middle finger to IB and IAG.

Barcelona is one of the Med's largest cruise ports and a major cultural city. I see more Far Eastern/Asian/Australasian tourists there every time I go, so throwing an A388 at the route makes perfect sense. It is also a major conference and business destination - the traffic is there.


Dan  



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8361 times:

Quoting mfc (Reply 13):
Correct me if I am wrong, but is this not the first time that EK sends the 380 where they only fly once a day?

No, AMS was also upgraded from a single daily 77W flight to a single daily A380 flight.

A388


User currently onlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 629 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8185 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 17):
Barcelona is one of the Med's largest cruise ports and a major cultural city. I see more Far Eastern/Asian/Australasian tourists there every time I go, so throwing an A388 at the route makes perfect sense. It is also a major conference and business destination - the traffic is there.

Agreed.
We can add that IB does not fly Eastward further than Moscow or Tel Aviv. A strategic mistake when you consider : 1/how touristic and attractive Spain is, even for Middle-Eastern and Asian people (Barcelona, Madrid and Andalucia of course, but also Ibiza or Marbella) 2/ the growing south America to Asia market.
IAG should be more offensive, just my 2 cents.

On a personal note, I am just back from a trip to BCN. I was lucky enough to stay in a 5 star hotel near the harbor : 70-80% of the clients were from the ME. I was quite impressed, I never noticed that before (and I have been going to BCN once or twice a year since 20 years!)



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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4802 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7979 times:

Quoting Azure (Reply 19):
On a personal note, I am just back from a trip to BCN. I was lucky enough to stay in a 5 star hotel near the harbor : 70-80% of the clients were from the ME. I was quite impressed, I never noticed that before (and I have been going to BCN once or twice a year since 20 years!)

Kuwaitis and Saudis in particular flock to Geneva and Spain in particular (in mainland Europe that is) during the summer season hence this is not surprising at all.

Quoting Azure (Reply 19):
We can add that IB does not fly Eastward further than Moscow or Tel Aviv. A strategic mistake when you consider : 1/how touristic and attractive Spain is, even for Middle-Eastern and Asian people (Barcelona, Madrid and Andalucia of course, but also Ibiza or Marbella) 2/ the growing south America to Asia market.
IAG should be more offensive, just my 2 cents.

The top 10 markets relevant to feed EK's BCN flights saw the following demand over the past 1 year to/from BCN:

NRT 100,000
PVG 90,000
DXB 65,000
ICN 62,000
PEK 52,000
ISB and LHE combined 50,000
DEL 47,000
KIX 41,000
HKG 40,000
BKK 32,000

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Then again, the Catalonia area is the only part of the Iberian peninsula that actually has money....

Evident by the fact that through this whole week, EK's business class on BCN-DXB sector at least is more or less FULL !


User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7834 times:

Is there any other Spanish city which could sustain an EK flight (if the bilateral allows so)?

User currently offlineredhair From Spain, joined Apr 2011, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7784 times:

Quoting Azure (Reply 19):
On a personal note, I am just back from a trip to BCN. I was lucky enough to stay in a 5 star hotel near the harbor : 70-80% of the clients were from the ME. I was quite impressed, I never noticed that before (and I have been going to BCN once or twice a year since 20 years!)

I'm from BCN and I'm also surprised about where tourists are from! Mainly ME, Asia and ex-URSS people. You don't get to see sooo many Europeans and Americans as in the past...


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7587 times:

Quoting Azure (Reply 19):
On a personal note, I am just back from a trip to BCN. I was lucky enough to stay in a 5 star hotel near the harbor : 70-80% of the clients were from the ME. I was quite impressed, I never noticed that before (and I have been going to BCN once or twice a year since 20 years!)

It is Ramadan and summer (aka unbearably hot in the Gulf) = peak season for Middle Easterns. You would had probably noticed the same if you were in London, Paris or Geneva... the new thing (let's say the last 10 years) is how Barcelona has got into this truly international circuit attracting a wide range of tourists, from cheap "drink till you drop" weekend breakers from the UK or France, cruise tourism from the US or LATAM and high-spending tourists from Russia, China or the ME (I know a few cliches here, but you get the point  )... today BCN has become one of the top global destinations and still growing at a very healthy rate.

Also bear in mind that tourism from fast-growing Asian economies (China, India, Indonesia, etc.) is really underrepresented in Spain (being Spain the 4th country in the world with more tourists) compared to more "traditional" destinations for Chinese or Indian like France, Italy or the UK. Most of those countries do not have any cultural connections to Spain (like India to the UK), the traditional lack of connections to Asia from Spain does not probably help (a vicious circle here), and the Spanish authorities historically had a very narrow-minded mentality and a lack of interest for tourists from those countries (i.e. making a tourist visa a hassle for Chinese or Indian nationals because they come from "poor" countries). That is certainly changing (Russia being the most notable case, with tourism from Russia to Spain literally booming over the last 5 years)... so you got a potential market of hundreds of millions of tourists (of course, Chinese tourists will never be as common in Spain as German or British... but when your numbers today are negligible and we are talking about the 2nd largest economy in the world and Spain being a very attractive tourist destination... just connect the dots)... and Emirates will be happy to connect them  

IMO there are probably another couple of things. First, the crisis in Spain (and Europe)... many Spaniards have also ventured to the Middle East, Far East and Australia for jobs... only 10 years ago it would be an oddity an Spaniard working in Shanghai or Dubai... I personally know quite a few people who have moved to those places (and other EK destinations). Also, Spanish companies are becoming more international and less European and that certainly means looking for the fastest growing markets in the world (basically Asia). And don't even forget that during the Spanish boom years, Spain received a good number of foreigners from Pakistan (big Pakistani community in BCN, for instance, even PIA flies there) or China... so you have a noticeable VFR traffic today Spain-Asia (in both directions) that didn't exist only 10 years ago.

And even for Spanish holidaymakers (contrary to some comments in this thread, some people in Spain still do have money to travel) I personally see a shift of mind. Older Spaniards would venture outside Europe to the typical destinations (US and Latin America where you can basically use Spanish)... newer generations are venturing into more exotic places... which makes Asia on top of the list... and I have no doubt that QR or EK help to stimulate that traffic... if you consider the historical lack of connections Spain-Asia (specially compared to North and South America). So instead of going to Punta Cana or Cancun as their parents did, they will go instead to Phuket or Vietnam.


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7522 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 20):
The top 10 markets relevant to feed EK's BCN flights saw the following demand over the past 1 year to/from BCN:

NRT 100,000
PVG 90,000
DXB 65,000
ICN 62,000
PEK 52,000
ISB and LHE combined 50,000
DEL 47,000
KIX 41,000
HKG 40,000
BKK 32,000

The majority of the (quite wealthy) Chinese community in Spain comes from Zhejiang... so I just assume they use PVG as their "local" airport for international travelling to Spain. I am pretty sure that this explains the gap between PVG and PEK (almost twice the number of travelers to Shanghai than to Beijing with Emirates; I don't know if that is common to other destinations).

ISB and LHE are interesting as well, if you consider that PIA offers direct flights, and you got QR on the route.

And places like BKK I am pretty sure are almost entirely explained by local Spanish tourism to Thailand.


25 redhair : Great analysis!
26 UALWN : Don't forget SQ, which flies to BCN (and on to GRU), but not to Madrid. Anyway, I'm thrilled to see EK will fly the A380 to BCN. Are there any gates
27 airbazar : It's not just Spaniards seeking jobs abroad. It's also likely Spanish companies seeking new business overseas due to the weak local economy. For exam
28 lightsaber : I'll ask again, does MAD see EK A380s? It it just me, or is EK doing a major business to cruise ports? Both for the customers, but I suspect growth in
29 RJA321 : No it doesn't. Not yet at least!
30 lightsaber : Thank you. Lightsaber
31 KarelXWB : EK was even hinting at a second daily A380 to AMS in the near future.
32 HB-IWC : It will be a B77W.
33 Post contains links AirIndia : Surprising BOM is not on the list. Anyways, a major bollywood film from 2011, based on a road trip through Spain has spawned a lot of interest in Spa
34 MIAspotter : When the LH and EK A380s visited BCN, they were parked on the gates EK and SQ regularly uses, not sure if the fingers can go up to the upper deck of
35 Post contains images aerorobnz : Meh...AKL will have 3 A380s a day from EK by then..
36 CO58 : Why not a 77L or a classic 772? Does AMS really need all that capacity?
37 1400mph : It's not a surprise really and all those A380's weren't ordered with no plan on the table. I've just had a look at the traffic for the rest of the da
38 UALWN : Until a few years ago BCN was totally unserved going East. Now there is QR with a daily A333 (and two rotations during some days in the summer). Ther
39 Azure : Well, the growth is there obviously, but only due to EK, QR and SQ, ie "foreign" carriers. Considering the figures given by behramjee (Reply 20) and
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