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Australian Aviation Thread # 76  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 677 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23054 times:

G'day and welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 76. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Virgin Australia announces Velocity points for transporting pets
* Brindabella Airlines & Qantas announce codesharing agreement
* EVA Air ups Brisbane frequencies to 3 over Christmas
* Qantas mulls more Gold Coast flights
* Brisbane and Melbourne Airport growth
* Image of Jetstar's first 787 VH-VKA
* Ansett collapse and growth of then Virgin Blue
* Tiger Airways rebrands as Tigerair
* Malaysia Airlines confirms Darwin flights with 737s from November 2013
* Jetstar confirms cancellation of Gold Coast - Perth flights effective 27 October 2013
* Thai Airways to fly its new 777-300ERs on Brisbane - Bangkok from February 2014
* Perth Airport movements
* Jetstar Hong Kong
* Increased Parking fees at Melbourne Airport
* Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast Airports
* Connect Jet confirms plans to start Dubbo - Griffith - Melbourne (Essendon) flights
* Emirates A380 promos at Brisbane Airport
* Qantas Frequent Flyer point changes on AA
* Alitalia looking at expanded codeshare services to Australia
* Jetstar 787 billboard
* Virgin Australia announces codeshare and FF partnership with Airberlin
* Emirates reportedly planning to fly A380s to Perth from March 2014
* China Airlines reportedly planning to operate 747s on the Brisbane - Taipei route over Christmas
* Qantas completes the cabin reconfiguration program on its A380s
* Qantas releases the most popular destinations for Frequent Flyer redemptions
* Emirates extremely happy with their Adelaide flights
* Virgin Australia network disruption
* Another Antonov arrives in Australia from New Zealand
* Jetstar to recommence Brisbane - Hobart flights from 27 October 2013

Australian Aviation Thread # 75

Pleasing to see that we won't have to put up with a certain poster's drivel and unqualified statements any longer!

 

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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22640 times:

Well to get the ball rolling, in #77 we had a bit of discussion about HA at BNE...

The HA Q2 results have been released, and as LAXintl has helpfully provided us with a precis of the earnings call two comments caught my eye:

1) BNE is "maturing fast" - this is really great to see, I wish them the best in Brisbane

2) There has been a 20% capacity increase by competitors in the ANZ-HA market [i.e. JQ+NZ] - it will be interesting to see if this is sustainable...

Hawaiian Air Post Q2 Profit - $12.6 Million Net (by LAXintl Jul 23 2013 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22622 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 1):
2) There has been a 20% capacity increase by competitors in the ANZ-HA market [i.e. JQ+NZ] - it will be interesting to see if this is sustainable...

As the dollar drops, the real pressure will start to come.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 1):
1) BNE is "maturing fast" - this is really great to see, I wish them the best in Brisbane

Good to see they are seeing progress there so far.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 22621 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):
As the dollar drops, the real pressure will start to come.

Definitely. This is what I said in the last thread during a discussion with a certain person:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 181):
Hawai'i tourism ex Australia has been artificially high for the last couple of years due to the high Australian Dollar. This made Hawai'i much more affordable for people who would otherwise have considered Fiji or Phuket, and also made it a very attractive shopping destination. The moneyed crowd would go for the weekend to shop in Neiman Marcus (at half the price of David Jones) and the savings would just about pay for the trip. Both of those sources of visitors will be impacted if the Australian Dollar continues to fall.

JQ will be affected more than HA as the latter can feed into the US mainland, but it is going to be interesting to see how sustainable the massive growth in Australia-Hawai'i traffic will prove to be.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 22612 times:

^^ Good analysis of the situation.

You would likely see QF move out of the market first if things do fall, with JQ used as the remaining group brand.

JQ's lower costs would allow it to better compete with HA in that situation. Its fine at present, but that would change as the dollar drops.


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 22438 times:

QF and EK are set to announce the joint Trans Tasman operation tomorrow.

Wonder what the new combined schedule will look like... And if any new routes are talked about, ADL-AKL, PER-AKL or even BNE to CHC or WLG would be nice!


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 945 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22407 times:

Can anyone tell me why there is a AirNorth E170 just departing SYD now?
It would have departed around 2030 and is heading north now.
Charter??



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22335 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
Hawai'i tourism ex Australia has been artificially high for the last couple of years due to the high Australian Dollar. This made Hawai'i much more affordable for people who would otherwise have considered Fiji or Phuket, and also made it a very attractive shopping destination

I guess that I'm now about to be flamed like a certain absent poster for expounding opinions without facts to back them up.

I share the concern, but only if the A$ falls below around US$0.85.

I would argue that Hawaii tourism ex-Australia has been corrected after a long artificial low caused by an unrealistically low exchange rate. To me, as someone who spends considerable time in both Australia and the USA I would argue that dollar parity is about right, and that if Australian exporters cannot cope with the dollar at that level that tells us far more about the inflated prices we pay in this country due to a very small number of companies having a stranglehold over the key levers of the economy. That is what happens when you under-regulate the economy in a country with fewer than 25 million consumers. But that's an argument for elsewhere.

I visited Phuket for the first time earlier this year after making several trips to Hawaii each year for as long as I can remember. I knew all about the flesh trade, but I expected hotels and restaurants to be considerably cheaper than Hawaii (they weren't) and I imagined that the imitation designer goods would be plausible rather than the comically cheap crap they actually are. And that's before being endlessly hassled by people trying to peddle everything from massages to, ahem, other things. And also before watching Russian guests at my hotel's private beach at Karon using the beach as a receptacle for every body fluid from spit to urine in broad daylight.

I found myself thinking that Phuket was inferior in every possible respect to Hawaii as a destination, and that its only market advantage would be at extremely cheap prices. But given that I bought 4 pairs of designer jeans at Macy's in Orange County last week for less than A$150 in total - and I have no doubts about their authenticity - I struggle to see how Phuket can possibly compete with Hawaii for Australian tourism except in the sex tourism niche or when the A$ is undervalued again.

Incidentally, I think that Hawaii remains a partly untapped market ex-Australia.

Waikiki from 2 to 5 stars is pretty comprehensively served. But the neighbor islands remain places where it is a shock to the system to hear an Aussie accent, and the top end of the market - the Four Seasons, Ritz-Carlton and St Regis properties - seem to get virtually no Australian guests at all.


User currently offlineADDICT4QF From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22328 times:

It is arguable that as the AUD falls, price sensitive consumers will begin to leave the OZ-HNL market, which would have travelled on JQ (rather than QF). There could be merit in JQ pulling back some capacity, as opposed to QF.

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 22310 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 8):
It is arguable that as the AUD falls, price sensitive consumers will begin to leave the OZ-HNL market, which would have travelled on JQ (rather than QF). There could be merit in JQ pulling back some capacity, as opposed to QF.

I couldn't agree more.

Hawaii is pretty obviously a market more suited to a full-service than an LCC model for flights of this length from Australia, as the success of Hawaiian and Qantas shows.

In my opinion, the number of Jetstar flights owes everything to Qantas Group strategy being to siphon off to Jetstar as much as possible of a profitable route to inflate its results. Qantas is allowed a nibble simply because management are at least able to see that a substantial part of the market won't fly Jetstar under any circumstances, and they would rather keep some of that higher-yielding traffic rather than gift it all to Hawaiian, which if they did it would take their policy beyond the current deliberate damage to their main brand and artificial inflation of Jetstar, beyond arguably into the realms of near-criminal mismanagement.

I would say that the economic argument should be as follows:

If the A$ goes above US1.10, consider Qantas exiting and Jetstar increasing capacity.

If the A$ goes below US$0.90, consider Jetstar exiting and Qantas increasing capacity.


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 915 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 22204 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
I visited Phuket for the first time earlier this year after making several trips to Hawaii each year for as long as I can remember. I knew all about the flesh trade, but I expected hotels and restaurants to be considerably cheaper than Hawaii (they weren't) and I imagined that the imitation designer goods would be plausible rather than the comically cheap crap they actually are. And that's before being endlessly hassled by people trying to peddle everything from massages to, ahem, other things. And also before watching Russian guests at my hotel's private beach at Karon using the beach as a receptacle for every body fluid from spit to urine in broad dayligh

Thank you sir, I have just crossed Phuket off my "bucket list".



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22041 times:

Quoting TN486 (Reply 10):
Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
I visited Phuket for the first time earlier this year after making several trips to Hawaii each year for as long as I can remember. I knew all about the flesh trade, but I expected hotels and restaurants to be considerably cheaper than Hawaii (they weren't) and I imagined that the imitation designer goods would be plausible rather than the comically cheap crap they actually are. And that's before being endlessly hassled by people trying to peddle everything from massages to, ahem, other things. And also before watching Russian guests at my hotel's private beach at Karon using the beach as a receptacle for every body fluid from spit to urine in broad dayligh

Thank you sir, I have just crossed Phuket off my "bucket list".

Don't allow 1 negative feedback response cross Phuket off your bucket list. For starters people go to Patong Beach or Karon Beach & then claim they've been to Phuket. Phuket is made of 100s of beaches and I can tell you there are far better beaches and destinations in Thailand which I'd visit / visited prior to going to "Phuket".

EK8413



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User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21938 times:
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Quoting JQflightie (Reply 6):
Can anyone tell me why there is a AirNorth E170 just departing SYD now?
It would have departed around 2030 and is heading north now.
Charter??

Flight numbers are a bit ambiguous but from the routing I'd imagine Defence charter. Reg is VH-ANV

[Edited 2013-07-24 16:26:29]

User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 21921 times:

Following on from the discussion of JQ starting BNE-HBA, I hear that as a result they are ending OOL-HBA.

User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 21885 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 13):
Following on from the discussion of JQ starting BNE-HBA, I hear that as a result they are ending OOL-HBA.

I'm sure that Koruman will have something to say about OOL and BNE being different markets, and to an extent I agree with him, but IMHO if you are going to serve just one of them it still makes sense to fly to BNE.

While there is general awareness in Brisbane that you can get cheap flights to Japan, Malaysia, and Singapore from OOL, I would expect that there are fewer people who would think of OOL for domestic flights.

With BNE you bring in the entire SEQ market, most obviously including the city of Brisbane, but also the Sunshine Coast, Ipswich, and even Toowoomba.

The north bound leisure traffic is likely to simply fly to BNE and rent a car, as opposed to fly to OOL and rent a car. While it adds an hour or so to your journey, I still think that the northbound leisure traffic would choose BNE over a stopover in MEL or SYD, especially if the fairs are lower, which I expect that they will be. Moreover, sticking with the northbound leisure market, this means that JQ now offer the Sunshine Coast to the Hobart market. Maybe I'm biased, but I prefer the north side!

For southbound traffic, the advantages are obvious. The market is significantly larger, and a lot of people on the Gold Coast, especially around Southport and up, taking in Helensvale etc. would probably drive to BNE as opposed to OOL and then stop at SYD or MEL.

While I would like to see both served, and I wouldn't be surprised if they both are at some point in the future, if they feel that they can only make one SEQ airport work, then I think that BNE is optimal.



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 day ago) and read 21787 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Don't allow 1 negative feedback response cross Phuket off your bucket list. For starters people go to Patong Beach or Karon Beach & then claim they've been to Phuket

Too true, I mentioned in the last thread someone I know who has just been to the "other side" of Bali. She planned to go for a week or so, and ended up staying for three months! The only reason she came back was that her visa expired. My first cynical thought was "other than drugs, what do you do in Bali for three months?!"

I couldn't believe some of her stories. It sounds like a truly wonderful and fascinating place if you go to the right places. She was staying in a small fishing village that only the hardiest of souls made the effort to get to. She may as well have been on another planet to Kuta, but to my shame I wasn't really aware that there was much to Bali other than Kuta.

I don't blame you, Koruman, neither Bali nor Phuket are on my "to do" list, but for those that have the time to find them then there are some real gems. I guess it's much easier for a 20 year old with a backpack and no reservation, than for you with a family and a resort booked to make these discoveries.

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
I guess that I'm now about to be flamed like a certain absent poster for expounding opinions without facts to back them up

Not from me. While I don't always agree with all of your points, I nonetheless respect both you and your opinions.

My best friend and I are on the opposite side of aisle when it comes to politics (and also airlines - I'm a Qantas boy, whereas he goes into bat for the other side). We can sometimes have some heated conversations, but we both recognise the other as having legitimate views, and also we've been mates forever so we're not going to let that get in the way of anything.

We have two common acquaintances, however, who have some crazy ideas, one on the far left and one on the far right. I don't respect their opinions, and won't give them the time of day, mostly because I think that they're just trying to wind people up and grab attention, rather because they actually believe everything that they're saying.

That's the difference between you and the other person, as far I'm concerned  
Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
I would argue that Hawaii tourism ex-Australia has been corrected after a long artificial low caused by an unrealistically low exchange rate

That's an interesting argument, and do see where you are coming from with regards to the potential for tourism in HI.

However, given that even 85c is above long-term trends I would still say that level represents "normal" demand to HI, and when the AUD goes above that level then we start to generate additional demand. Just my opinion

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
as someone who spends considerable time in both Australia and the USA I would argue that dollar parity is about right

A man of my own heart   

We probably benefit disproportionately, and our judgment is therefore clouded somewhat, but I agree 100%

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
if Australian exporters cannot cope with the dollar at that level that tells us far more about the inflated prices we pay in this country due to a very small number of companies having a stranglehold over the key levers of the economy

  

Quoting koruman (Reply 7):
That is what happens when you under-regulate the economy in a country with fewer than 25 million consumers


This is where we differ, as you say it's a discussion for someplace else, but I would say that we're over-regulated. If our industries aren't efficient then we need to except that the world has changed, and figure out where our advantages lie.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 23 hours ago) and read 21758 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 14):
I'm sure that Koruman will have something to say about OOL and BNE being different markets, and to an extent I agree with him, but IMHO if you are going to serve just one of them it still makes sense to fly to BNE.

While there is general awareness in Brisbane that you can get cheap flights to Japan, Malaysia, and Singapore from OOL, I would expect that there are fewer people who would think of OOL for domestic flights.

With BNE you bring in the entire SEQ market, most obviously including the city of Brisbane, but also the Sunshine Coast, Ipswich, and even Toowoomba.

Unfortunately, I agree.

Transport links are so appalling in southeast Queensland that no sane Brisbane resident is going to take a domestic flight from OOL. The 80km "fast" train from Robina to Brisbane Airport takes practically two hours - three times as long as equivalent journeys in Europe - while airport parking costs are absurd at both OOL and BNE, both at the airport and offsite. In that context, the closer airport is always going to prevail.

The result is a splintered market, one in which small domestic destinations will always be more viable from BNE than OOL simply because its direct catchment area is three times as big..


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (1 year 23 hours ago) and read 21682 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 15):
I couldn't believe some of her stories. It sounds like a truly wonderful and fascinating place if you go to the right places. She was staying in a small fishing village that only the hardiest of souls made the effort to get to. She may as well have been on another planet to Kuta, but to my shame I wasn't really aware that there was much to Bali other than Kuta.

Start with Singaraja, which has an old colonial feel to it. The beaches may not be as good (some small beaches are great), but the marine life is wonderful, countless dolphins sometimes.

If you want a "catered vacation" there are some good hotels at Lovina Beach - not as ritzy or cosmopolitan as on the south side of the island, but still fine and without the tourist hordes - the Puri Bagas, e.g.:

http://www.lovina.puribagus.net
http://www.padmasariresort.com/
http://www.nugrahalovina.com

Because there are fewer tourists there is more contact with the locals and I've always found them very friendly. Further to the west the population is more ethnically mixed as many Javanese have moved there, especially around Gilimanuk - (there's a mosque) - where you can get a ferry to Java.

What to do? What to do anywhere in Bali other than enjoy. I get very bored with beaches very quickly and I've met some very interesting off-the-beaten-track people, having an adventure, not a beach blot-out.

All along the coast there are small towns and fishing villages, and there's usually somewhere to stay and somewhere to eat - but don't expect to find discos or MacDonalds.

It isn't for everyone - it may not be for some here - but generally, the north now is what the south was like thirty years ago.

mariner

[Edited 2013-07-24 20:36:24]


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User currently offlinenirvarma From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 22 hours ago) and read 21643 times:

Anybody know why AC34 SYD - YVR is diverting to BNE?
http://www.flightradar24.com/ACA34

Cheers
NV


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 21 hours ago) and read 21573 times:

I heard the tower acknowledge a Pan Pan.


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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 16 hours ago) and read 21331 times:

Today QF officially unveiled its Trans Tasman QF / EK tie up. It's nothing that we here knew what was going to happen. Shame there was nothing about the much rumoured PER / AKL EK flight.




http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...mirates-partnership-in-new-zealand



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 16 hours ago) and read 21287 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 20):

Today QF officially unveiled its Trans Tasman QF / EK tie up

Just to be clear, nothing has changed from a customer standpoint other than codesharing and joint sales? There were no news routes etc?

The internal inconsistency in that PR is quite amusing, QF are claiming that there will be "about 130" TT services per week, wheras EK are saying "over 140".

Maybe there is still an announcement to come after all     



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 15 hours ago) and read 21140 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 21):
Just to be clear, nothing has changed from a customer standpoint other than codesharing and joint sales? There were no news routes etc?

Correct, It is as per the status-quo. The biggest difference IMO will see EK entering the market on the WLG and ZQN flights via codeshare.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 21):
Maybe there is still an announcement to come after all

Hmm .. Possible, we will just have to be patient and see what eventuates



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 hours ago) and read 20875 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 20):
Today QF officially unveiled its Trans Tasman QF / EK tie up.

Does QF have the aircraft to operate ADL/PER-AKL? ADL-AKL could be done easily on a 738, but PER-AKL would have to be a 763. I suppose they could delay the retirement of a 763 when more A332s arrive from JQ.

EK can't fit in ADL-AKL with their current timings as the late arrival to ADL would mean arriving AKL ~3am. If they switched to the afternoon departure bank then it's possible, but a 77W is really overkill for ADL-AKL.

To me, PER-AKL looks more likely on EK. EK420 could extend to AKL with a decent schedule, however mirrors NZ's flight to AKL.


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 20630 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 23):
Does QF have the aircraft to operate ADL/PER-AKL? ADL-AKL could be done easily on a 738, but PER-AKL would have to be a 763. I suppose they could delay the retirement of a 763 when more A332s arrive from JQ.

They could have the aircraft to fly (Not so sure about jet connect), however QF did try ADL/AKL once and well, it didn't last very long, from memory, less than 12 months.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 23):
To me, PER-AKL looks more likely on EK. EK420 could extend to AKL with a decent schedule, however mirrors NZ's flight to AKL.

Agree, Don't think we will see QF metal on this if this ever goes ahead, IMO I think it will be the EK



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 20717 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 24):
Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 23):
Does QF have the aircraft to operate ADL/PER-AKL? ADL-AKL could be done easily on a 738, but PER-AKL would have to be a 763. I suppose they could delay the retirement of a 763 when more A332s arrive from JQ.

They could have the aircraft to fly (Not so sure about jet connect), however QF did try ADL/AKL once and well, it didn't last very long, from memory, less than 12 months.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 23):
To me, PER-AKL looks more likely on EK. EK420 could extend to AKL with a decent schedule, however mirrors NZ's flight to AKL.

Agree, Don't think we will see QF metal on this if this ever goes ahead, IMO I think it will be the EK

Haven't EK reached their limit on the Trans Tasman routes?

EK8413



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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 20463 times:

The biggest change for customers s they are now able to access lounges for each carrier inline with their lounge policy for Europe, Afric and the Middle-Astern flights. Previously this access was not available across the Tasman, which proved confusing for man passengers. Frequent flyer benifits such as accrual and lush as allowances are also now applicable.

Moving forward, would QF have any spare A332 capacity for a PER-AKL flight, I'm sure if times to connect with both the QR and EK arrivals there would be sufficient feed and local demand for the route.. With QR joining oneworld soon, there is no real reason why a QR & EK code cant be applied to a QF flight. The current QR flight doesn't connect out of MEL to AKL, so a PER connection would be good for their network also. As QR are bilaterally maxed out into Australia I am sure the will be code sharing with QF to some degree to allow some form of limited penetration into the AUS market, unless the offer connections out of KUL with MH - anyway side ramblings.

Traveled between CBR and MEL on QF over the weekend, on a 734. Must say the crew were exceptional both ways. An older exceptionally sophisticated female old-school CSM on the way up- very classy! Must say cabin was in great condition, but smelt aweful from the bathrooms on the ground. The forward galley seemed a lot bigger then I ever recall (and certainly bigger then the 738 galleys) have QF only got one galley config for the 734s? And I'm just getting old? Or have never been very observant?


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5294 posts, RR: 11
Reply 27, posted (12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20437 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
Haven't EK reached their limit on the Trans Tasman routes?

Yes.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 23):
To me, PER-AKL looks more likely on EK. EK420 could extend to AKL with a decent schedule, however mirrors NZ's flight to AKL.

Not gonna happen unless as above the bilateral is amended. There isn't alot of options for PER-AKL schedules, I'm guessing QF would use a A332 connecting from EK flights offering another DXB-AKL option. Something like

PER 1900 AKL 0600
AKL 0900 PER 1130
or
PER 0100 AKL 1200
AKL 1400 PER 1630 or AKL 1700 PER 1930

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 23):
EK can't fit in ADL-AKL with their current timings as the late arrival to ADL would mean arriving AKL ~3am. If they switched to the afternoon departure bank then it's possible, but a 77W is really overkill for ADL-AKL.

AKL would be operated by Jetconnect if they have an aircraft connecting to EK IMO.

AKL 1830 ADL 2100
ADL 2215 AKL 0500


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 20325 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 26):
As QR are bilaterally maxed out into Australia I am sure the will be code sharing with QF to some degree to allow some form of limited penetration into the AUS market

I agree, QR already sells connections through QF and VA over MEL and PER (for example you can go to the QR website and book a flight from BNE) but a more expansive codeshare agreement would allow QR more "recognition" and mean that more passengers are likely to be aware of them as an option.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 26):
Traveled between CBR and MEL on QF over the weekend, on a 734. Must say the crew were exceptional both ways. An older exceptionally sophisticated female old-school CSM on the way up- very classy! Must say cabin was in great condition

That's great to hear, I agree that the 734s are holding up relatively well



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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 25
Reply 29, posted (12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20198 times:

China Airlines will operate its B744 between TPE and BNE in summer (between Dec to Feb)

Eva Air has changed its flight schedule - Arrive BNE in the morning and will depart at late night. Stay in the BNE for one whole day?



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20156 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 28):
That's great to hear, I agree that the 734s are holding up relatively well

I have to say, compared to BA's 734s they are as good as new!


User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19653 times:

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 29):

As far as I am aware that is not a change at all. Thats how it currently is.


User currently offlineSandgroper From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19607 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 20):
Today QF officially unveiled its Trans Tasman QF / EK tie up. It's nothing that we here knew what was going to happen. Shame there was nothing about the much rumoured PER / AKL EK flight.




http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...mirates-partnership-in-new-zealand

Well if Perth Airport could get their act together with A380 air bridges EK maybe interested in pushing more demand via AKL through PER with an QF relationship.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19582 times:

Quoting Sandgroper (Reply 32):
Well if Perth Airport could get their act together with A380 air bridges EK maybe interested in pushing more demand via AKL through PER with an QF relationship.

I don't think it really needs to get onto the PER-AKL route. Not sure 2 carriers on that sector would do that well TBH.

Will QF want to allocate a A330 at PER to perform this route? EK can't really assist on this one.

EK's Trans Tasman flights via MEL/SYD/BNE are mainly designed to maximise utilisation, which given those sector times to AKL is fine, but PER does not have that luxury. Operationally that would not be an easy task.

Any AKL demand is easily catered to via the East Coast hubs and that will likely be how it stays.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 34, posted (12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19423 times:

Earlier in the week I mentioned vast amount of earth work at SYD & it appears to be additional hard stands considering the airport is struggling wouldn't surprise me if its used to disembark and board flights???

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r687/pcl138/null_zpsc20d0d77.jpg

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r687/pcl138/null_zps9bfcaa1b.jpg

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r687/pcl138/null_zps5b806fc7.jpg

Kevin Rudd has given the B737BBJ the flick in favour of the A330 tanker. Sorry about the quality of the photos taken with iPhone

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r687/pcl138/null_zps84152de1.jpg

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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19373 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 34):
Kevin Rudd has given the B737BBJ the flick in favour of the A330 tanker. Sorry about the quality of the photos taken with iPhone

A much more impressive transport   I thought the BBJ's would be more luxurious and better suited? No?


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19331 times:

^^ Didn't he go to Afghanistan? Maybe this was considered a better choice for that mission. It may have also been carrying additional cargo for troops there.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19150 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 35):
A much more impressive transport I thought the BBJ's would be more luxurious and better suited? No?

Give me the A330 anyday but your right the BBJ would be more luxurious

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 36):

^^ Didn't he go to Afghanistan? Maybe this was considered a better choice for that mission. It may have also been carrying additional cargo for troops there.

Yes, he sure did. His BBJ is parked right behind the tanker but I saw K. Rudd & wife disembark from the A330 probably better choice for the mission considering its camouflage scheme.

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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19157 times:

Quoting Sandgroper (Reply 32):

Emirates will start A380's on 01 March DXB-PER-DXB on the EK420/421

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 29):

EVA has been doing this for the past year.Arrive in the morning and depart at night.

The CI news already reported in this thread or the previous.



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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19116 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 35):
A much more impressive transport   I thought the BBJ's would be more luxurious and better suited? No?

Wasn't their talk a while back that the Australian government was looking at a replacement for the governments VIP fleet of BBJ? Or am I completely off the mark?



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18676 times:

D7 is starting ADL-KUL 5x weekly from October 31. The AirAsia website is offering $99 launch fares but I can't seem to get it to load the timings.

AirAsia X to fly Adelaide-Kuala Lumpur route

MH will feel the pressure once this starts - could they exit ADL?


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18633 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 40):
MH will feel the pressure once this starts - could they exit ADL?

I can't see there being room for 2 carriers on ADL-KUL, and the D7 cost base will likely be a major benefit over MH.

The premium market is not huge from ADL either, making it even harder for MH to do well in the face of competition. The only saving grace may be the OW connection with MH.

Interesting move.

With D7 moving to 2 x daily on their MEL, SYD and PER routes, and the OOL route hanging in there in there also, D7 certainly are upping their focus on Australia.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 18596 times:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...y8217/story-fni0fit3-1226687150609

HERALD Sun readers are largely opposed to a proposal for an airport at Melbourne's Docklands precinct, saying funds would be better spent building a rail link to Tullamarine Airport.

The airport has been proposed by a parliamentary committee after a taxpayer-funded overseas summer jaunt.

The outer suburban/interface services and development committee, made up of three Liberal and two Labor MPs, says the Victorian Government should consider a "city airport" to better service low-cost segments of the aviation market.

"The committee believes that a Melbourne City Airport could be a useful ... particularly for commuter-type domestic flights and short-haul international flights such as to New Zealand," the report said.

Committee chair Jan Kronberg and her Liberal colleague Cindy McLeish travelled with Labor MPs Natalie Hutchins and Judith Graley to Vancouver, Calgary and Toronto last year.

Ms Kronberg and Ms McLeish then continued on to Zurich and London.

The pair visited the London City Airport, 11km east of the city centre, and recommended Melbourne consider a similar development.

"Such an airport could be a useful addition as part of a comprehensive brownfield redevelopment area near the centre of Melbourne, such as Docklands," said the report, which was tabled in Parliament in June.

But Herald Sun readers said funds would be better spent building a rail link to Tullamarine.

"It would be a waste of money, but a rail link to Tullamarine would be better as Sydney already has a rail link to the airport from the central station in Sydney,” Martin Cronk said.

“Stupid idea! The Essendon airport is close enough to the CBD,” Stephen Grech said.

“I’m sure that a taxpayer funded rail link to Tullamarine would be a much better and cheaper option,” Ashley Donnet said.

Many readers suggested that the proposal had not been well thought through, and there would be many more problems rather than solutions created with an airport at the Docklands.

"Where are they going to find 3.5km of flat straight ground for each runway, also not forgetting the need for clear air space for the approach and departure of aircraft," Paul Van Den Akker said.

"It's a waste of time building all those apartments then! Who wants to live on a runway! ?” Matilda Maz said.

"What about the buildings? The only way this would work is for sea planes or similar size anything greater would clip buildings,” Emily Humphreys said.

Docklands Community Association President Roger Gardner tyesterday said it was a "crazy idea".

"It doesn't seem as though anybody's really thought that through," he said.

"There isn't any space left in Docklands. Any open space that we manage to have is very precious and the last thing we'd want is an airport on it."

Architect and urban designer Markus Jung said the London City Airport serviced the whole of Europe and Melbourne did not have that level of demand.

"It's not enough if a Government says we want to have an airport, it has a lot of follow-up questions - how will it affect communities, who is going to be exposed to acoustic pollution by these aircraft ... what does it mean for the existing airports if a new airport is going to be built?" Mr Jung said.

Aerospace-Aviation Australia Executive Director Paul Fox said Victoria had the best capital city airport infrastructure in the country and the existing Essendon Airport was closer to Melbourne's CBD than the Docklands airport was to London.

"While it's always great to see politicians and government looking forward with airport and aviation infrastructure in mind, I don't think there's a need in the short-term for an inner-city airport," Mr Fox said.

Opposition spokesman Murray Newton said it was "nothing more than a pie in the sky" idea.

The Government was considering the report and would respond in due time, spokeswoman Deborah Cole said.

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Some of the funniest reading all day. Seriously... An airport in Docklands? What were these people smoking?  

All Melbourne now needs is to open up access to commuter planes out of Moorabbin airport to serve the Sth East, or another airport built out there in the next 20 years to open up access to the growing areas out there, along with enhancing tourism benefits for the Mornington Peninsula, Gippsland and Phillip Island.

Add in a rail connection to MEL, and we have a network of airports to serve the city, with AVV being a Geelong/Surf Coast/Outer West airport, MEL being the main hub and the Sth East having its own to service those markets listed above.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 43, posted (12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18500 times:

Good God! Now I really have heard it all 
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 42):
Victorian Government should consider a "city airport" to better service low-cost segments of the aviation market

That's the be the most bizarre comment of all. Can anyone name a "city airport" that "better service low-cost segments"? LCY...nup. LGA...yeah no. DCA...that's a funny one. YTZ...no. Even the likes of HND have less low-cost service.

I guess I could see the idea it in principle. At peak times QF have 4 flights per hour SYD-MEL. Having 2 SYD-Tullamarine (for the MEL-SYD market) and 2 SYD-Docklands (for the SYD-MEL market) could vaguely make sense, as it could help ease congestion at MEL.

This ignores, of course, that the most congested part of MEL is International, not Domestic, as the International Terminal is completely choked by T1 and T3.

It's good to see that the infrastructure planners in Victoria are as incompetent as the rest of the country  



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18439 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 43):
It's good to see that the infrastructure planners in Victoria are as incompetent as the rest of the country

The sickness is spreading  

To be fair, I guess they had to come up with some kind of idea to justify the trip. I'm sure though that something more logical could have been found if they had any clue.


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18316 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 43):
That's the be the most bizarre comment of all. Can anyone name a "city airport" that "better service low-cost segments"? LCY...nup. LGA...yeah no. DCA...that's a funny one. YTZ...no. Even the likes of HND have less low-cost service.

Closest would be CIA - it's 14km from the Colosseum while FCO is 28km away. CIA only hosts flights from FR & W6 but is inferior to FCO (and that's saying something).

Wasn't there a proposal recently to build an airport in the east of Melbourne?


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5294 posts, RR: 11
Reply 46, posted (12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18305 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 40):
D7 is starting ADL-KUL 5x weekly from October 31. The AirAsia website is offering $99 launch fares but I can't seem to get it to load the timings.

4x weekly I thought. Good for ADL anyway!

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 40):
MH will feel the pressure once this starts - could they exit ADL?

Interesting MH will add an 8th weekly ADL service for a 4 week period during December January.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18294 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 45):
Closest would be CIA

You jogged my memory: Gothenburg is another. Ryanair and Wizz fly to "Gothenburg City Airport" (9.3km) as opposed to Landvetter (20km)

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 45):
is inferior to FCO (and that's saying something)

Never been to CIA, but if FCO is anything to go by....

Actually, the quality of Italian airport infrastructure is generally crap IMHO. I've been to PSA, CTA, NAP, FCO and they are all diabolical - FCO is the worse though because it is so much bigger, which means that there is a lot more grossness to enjoy  



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18110 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 47):
Actually, the quality of Italian airport infrastructure is generally crap IMHO. I've been to PSA, CTA, NAP, FCO and they are all diabolical - FCO is the worse though because it is so much bigger, which means that there is a lot more grossness to enjoy

MDW is another if you consider WN to still be an LCC.

Off topic i know, but FCO was indeed quite the disgrace when I flew out of there last year. And despite VCE being a small airport it was nearly impossible to find the wharf. Signs were non-existent.

But I think the prize actually goes to JMK, where a stray cat was waiting next to me as I checked in. The baggage system was broken, so I had to carry my own bags from the check in counter to the X-ray machine. The X-ray machine was sitting in the corner of the check in hall for all to see.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 46):
Interesting MH will add an 8th weekly ADL service for a 4 week period during December January.

MH must be doing better than I thought. They might be picking up the Asia-bound oneworld traffic after QF left. CX doesn't serve ADL daily and is too far north for SIN/BKK/BOM connections.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 49, posted (12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17770 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 48):
I think the prize actually goes to JMK, where a stray cat was waiting next to me as I checked in. The baggage system was broken, so I had to carry my own bags from the check in counter to the X-ray machine. The X-ray machine was sitting in the corner of the check in hall for all to see.

hahahahaha

Now you've opened a whole new kettle of fish! The quality of Italian airports is superb compared to Greece. Let's just say that I have "fond" memories of Greek airports   

(VOL was far and away the worst)

Back on topic:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 48):
MH must be doing better than I thought. They might be picking up the Asia-bound oneworld traffic after QF left

That's a very good point, MH are probably doing relatively well in ADL on the back of being the only real OW presence.

CX is less-than-daily and via MEL



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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 50, posted (12 months 20 hours ago) and read 17540 times:

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA - BRISBANE LOUNGE

Virgin Australia has opened an extension to its Brisbane Lounge, with the new facility offering additional seating, and self-serve offerings. The Lounge is skewed towards Virgin Australia passengers who are on the run and want a takeaway coffee or refreshment (and not the full offering of the main Lounge). Guess you could say the extension is somewhat similar to Air New Zealand's Express Lounges. The following photo is from Virgin Australia's Facebook page:


Photo source

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA REGIONAL AIRLINES

Quote:
VIRGIN AUSTRALIA ’S REGIONAL OPERATION

SYSTEM INTEGRATION

Effective 2 August 2013

Dear Industry Partner,

On 2 August Virgin Australia’s regional operations will upgrade to the latest version of the Sabre booking and check- in
system to align its systems with the rest of the Virgin Australia Group. This system transition is a key part of the integration of Skywest into Virgin Australia and will bring a number of benefits to our customers. Benefits of this system to our customer include making it easier to transfer between Virgin Australia flights and those of our partner airlines, improved self -service options, the ability to better leverage the benefits of our Velocity Frequent Flyer program, the ability to through check on international flights and gr eater choice of flights both domestically and internationally when making a booking.

Continues...

Source

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA - KALGOORLIE

Effective Friday 2 August 2013, Virgin Australia will begin operating 737-700s and E190s on Saturday and Monday to Friday services respectively. Some services will continue to be operated by F100s (VARA, formerly Skywest).

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA - VELOCITY FREQUENT FLYER

Virgin Australia's Velocity Frequent Flyer program has been busy adding direct earn partners recently, with MIDAS (points for car servicing) becoming the latest partner. Velocity has also introduced a somewhat unique opportunity to earn points, transporting pets on flights (minimum 300 point earn per sector, with a greater points earn for Velocity status members).

Over the past year, Velocity has added 28 new Hotel brands alone to the Hotel earning portfolio, with Taj Hotels, Langham Hotels, Jumeriah Group Hotels and Voyagers Indigenous Tourism (Ayers Rock Resort etc.) the most recent additions.

Velocity Frequent Flyer members are also able to earn points for surveys (e-rewards) and booking restaurants (Interesting to note that Qantas Frequent Flyer effective 12 August 2013 will discontinue the ability to earn points at partner restaurants).

Media Release issued by Virgin Australia recently on its growing Velocity Frequent Flyer Program:

Quote:
Frequent Flyer Benefits take-off at High Velocity

Frequent flyers can now enjoy more benefits than ever before, with Velocity Frequent Flyer increasing its hotel portfolio by over 80% and launching a range of industry innovations over the past twelve months.

Over the past year, Velocity has added 28 new hotel brands to the program, meaning members can now earn Points at hotels on almost every continent in the world. This month, some of the world’s most recognisable and luxurious hotels have been added including Langham Hospitality Group, Taj Group, Jumeirah Group and Voyages, including Ayers Rock Resort, Longitude 131˚ and Home Valley Station.

It follows a range of other enhancements to the program including using Points for on-the-spot-upgrades in lounges and the ability to earn Points for pets.

Continues...

Source


User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (12 months 19 hours ago) and read 17458 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 39):
Wasn't their talk a while back that the Australian government was looking at a replacement for the governments VIP fleet of BBJ? Or am I completely off the mark?

Yes, the BBJs are due for replacement in the next couple of years and it is rumoured the government are keen on something bigger as they often have to use 2 BBJs or lease another jet to cover the entourage plus the travelling media.

GIven the success of the A330 MRTT, you would think an A332 would be very suitable though there are plenty of used A345s around that could be acquired and basically be able to fly non-stop just about everywhere given the lighter loads the VIP flights typically have.

Obviously it is a political decision because the public frown on politicians' toys but it is not unreasonable to expect that the government have appropriate transport available for the country's leader.



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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (12 months 18 hours ago) and read 17473 times:

Is it my imagination, but have "Clive 1" & "Clive 2" moved from BNE???

User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (12 months 17 hours ago) and read 17379 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 50):
Virgin Australia has opened an extension to its Brisbane Lounge, with the new facility offering additional seating, and self-serve offerings. The Lounge is skewed towards Virgin Australia passengers who are on the run and want a takeaway coffee or refreshment (and not the full offering of the main Lounge)

Is this lounge connected to the main lounge, or is it separate? From the pictures it looks like it is jutting out from the end of the building past Gate 50. Is that correct?

I have to say, it sounds like a good idea to have a grab-and-go section where you can get a coffee and muffin without going through the full lounge experience, although I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of the long tables and bar stools. I would have though that cafe style seating would have provided a more intimate environment, although maybe that's just me.



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 915 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (12 months 17 hours ago) and read 17388 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 52):
s it my imagination, but have "Clive 1" & "Clive 2" moved from BNE???

Pardon the ignorance, but what type of ac is Clive 1 and Clive 2 (suspect something to do with Clive Palmer?)



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (12 months 17 hours ago) and read 17381 times:

eta unknown try venturing to the other side of the airport and you will find the answer.

Or check out this blog.

http://ybbn.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/...ralogy-md-82s-have-been-moved.html



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (12 months 17 hours ago) and read 17390 times:

Quoting TN486 (Reply 54):

The two MD's stored at BNE owned by CP.


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5294 posts, RR: 11
Reply 57, posted (12 months 16 hours ago) and read 17345 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 48):
CX doesn't serve ADL daily and is too far north for SIN/BKK/BOM connections.
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 49):
CX is less-than-daily and via MEL

CX has been daily to ADL for a few years now but still ops outbound via MEL. They did have 3 weekly dedicated services 2 summers back, I think they are at their limit in the bilateral now, since they increased PER.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 48):
MH must be doing better than I thought. They might be picking up the Asia-bound oneworld traffic after QF left.

MH gradually increased to daily and have been daily now for probably 3-4 years, they must do reasonably ok.


User currently offline747m8te From Australia, joined Aug 2008, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (12 months 16 hours ago) and read 17260 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 57):
CX has been daily to ADL for a few years now but still ops outbound via MEL. They did have 3 weekly dedicated services 2 summers back, I think they are at their limit in the bilateral now, since they increased PER.

Yes they are on their limit, several months back they had to do some additional freight services and pax charters for a few weeks so they had to cut a couple of BNE passenger services for a couple of weeks to do it. Will be interesting to see what CX's next move is if they can't increase flights...maybe bring 77Ws on some Australian services to increase capacity rather then frequency?

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 51):
Yes, the BBJs are due for replacement in the next couple of years and it is rumoured the government are keen on something bigger as they often have to use 2 BBJs or lease another jet to cover the entourage plus the travelling media.GIven the success of the A330 MRTT, you would think an A332 would be very suitable though there are plenty of used A345s around that could be acquired and basically be able to fly non-stop just about everywhere given the lighter loads the VIP flights typically have.Obviously it is a political decision because the public frown on politicians' toys but it is not unreasonable to expect that the government have appropriate transport available for the country's leader.

With Australia's location, so far away from many places, i'm surprised they have gone this long without something longer ranging for the Government then the BBJs.

An A332 would be a good choice, and more viable then an A345, the fuel costs would be far too high as it wouldn't always be needed for long haul flights anyway. The A332 would be more versatile.



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (12 months 15 hours ago) and read 17174 times:

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 58):
Will be interesting to see what CX's next move is if they can't increase flights...maybe bring 77Ws on some Australian services to increase capacity rather then frequency?

A 77W on the SYD route would be consistent with the rumours that CX want to reintroduce F to the SYD market.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 58):
An A332 would be a good choice, and more viable then an A345, the fuel costs would be far too high as it wouldn't always be needed for long haul flights anyway. The A332 would be more versatile.

If you consider the low cost of acquisition for the A345, plus the low utilisation, total cost if ownership can be lower than a more fuel efficient plane that is more expensive to buy.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (12 months 1 hour ago) and read 16834 times:

Heads up reminder that Garuda resumes BNE tomorrow this time with 737-800's .A daily operation as GA720/721 eta 0710 etd 0840 .CGK-DPS-BNE.


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User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16661 times:

Qantas Fleet Update:

B747-400:

VH-OEB is now back in service after being reconfigured from 14/66/40/187 into a 14/52/32/255 config. OEB also had its F1 decals removed and is now back in standard QF livery.

This means the B744 fleet only has 3 configuration types:

14/52/32/255: VH-OJL, VH-OJM, VH-OEB
56/40/275: VH-OJA, VH-OJC, VH-OJE, VH-OJI
58/36/270: VH-OJS, VH-OJT, VH-OJU, VH-OEE, VH-OEF, VH-OEG, VH-OEH, VH-OEI, VH-OEJ

B767-300:

VH-ZXC has been withdrawn from service leaving only 2 RR powered B763s in service (ZXE,ZXG) both of which will be retired by the end of the year.

B737-800:

VH-VXS and VH-VXR have both recently been repainted into the new livery.

New B73Hs VH-XZI, XZJ, XZK will be delivered in the coming months.

B717-200:

9 out of 13 B717s have now been reconfigured and upgraded into the new 125Y config. All 13 will be done by the end of the year.

The first of 5 "new" B717s which will feature a biz class will begin arriving from November.

A380-800:

The A380 reconfiguration program is now complete with all 12 A380s now in the new 14/64/35/371 config.

Thanks


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 62, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16611 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 61):
The A380 reconfiguration program is now complete with all 12 A380s now in the new 14/64/35/371 config.

QANTAS A380: 12 First, 64 Business, 35 Premium Economy, 371 Economy.
AIR NZ 777-300ER: 44 Business, 44 Premium Economy, 244 Economy (of which 60 are SkyCouches).

My question is simple: why is the Premium Economy cabin still so small, and why is the product still so, well, economy? Air NZ sells the 2-2-2 Premium Economy seats at a high, high premium over Economy class.

Is Qantas seeking to avoid cannibalising its Business Class if it makes Premium Economy too comfortable?

I've no agenda here - for once - just wondering why the Premium Economy cabin is so small.


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16498 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 62):

NZ has recently stated that the new 789's won't have the W Spaceseat. Instead a new seat is being designed, leading me to believe that the NZ W product is not delivering enough value for the space it occupies. Air NZ remedies one of its rare mistakes drops Space Seats

One could also compare to BA's A380: 14F/97J/55W/303Y. Again QF has far fewer W seats, and far more Y seats. I know BA's W cabin doesn't compare to QF's, and accordingly BA charges a much smaller premium over Y than QF. So presumably BA is putting more W seats in because they take up less space?

So maybe QF has it right by not devoting too much floor space to the W cabin? They certainly charge a hefty premium over Y, so there mustn't be the demand for what is essentially a domestic J seat. QF's configuration is close to that of AF on the A380 - 9F/80J/38W/389Y.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 64, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16449 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 61):
14/52/32/255: VH-OJL, VH-OJM, VH-OEB

These F frames are slated for retirement aren't they? (at least according to the latest-we've-heard 9x 744 plan)

Where do they currently fly? I'm thinking HKG + QF107/108. Is that it?

Quoting vhebb (Reply 61):
leaving only 2 RR powered B763s in service (ZXE,ZXG) both of which will be retired by the end of the year

I'm not sure how to feel about this... on the one hand they do need to go, they never fitted in with the rest of the fleet, which left both logistical challenges and [arguably] a sub-par passenger experience. On the other hand, I think that they're kind cool      

Quoting vhebb (Reply 61):
The first of 5 "new" B717s which will feature a biz class will begin arriving from November

So the CBR fleet are new aircraft [at least for QF] as opposed to reconfigured existing aircraft? That makes a lot more sense, as I always thought that the existing aircraft had plenty to do out West and in BNE, so I wasn't sure how they were going to take 5 out of service.

(I guess I had assumed that they would have been replaced with a mixture of Q400s and 737s)

Quoting koruman (Reply 62):
Air NZ sells the 2-2-2 Premium Economy seats at a high, high premium over Economy class.

As do QF. W fares to LHR are often around the same price of some competitors J cabin.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 63):
One could also compare to BA's A380: 14F/97J/55W/303Y. Again QF has far fewer W seats, and far more Y seats. I know BA's W cabin doesn't compare to QF's, and accordingly BA charges a much smaller premium over Y than QF

BA have the most premium heavy configurations of any airline in the world on their existing fleet, so they aren't really an apples-to-apples comparison. For example, on the 772 the Y cabin is only the little bit behind Door 3, meaning that almost 75% of the aircraft is F/J/W! I tip my hat to them, they do well for themselves.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 65, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16360 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 61):
Qantas Fleet Update:

B747-400:

VH-OEB is now back in service after being reconfigured from 14/66/40/187 into a 14/52/32/255 config. OEB also had its F1 decals removed and is now back in standard QF livery.

This means the B744 fleet only has 3 configuration types:

14/52/32/255: VH-OJL, VH-OJM, VH-OEB
56/40/275: VH-OJA, VH-OJC, VH-OJE, VH-OJI
58/36/270: VH-OJS, VH-OJT, VH-OJU, VH-OEE, VH-OEF, VH-OEG, VH-OEH, VH-OEI, VH-OEJ

Interesting to see what's to become of the remaining 4 x 3 class B744 aircraft. My wild guess is sun bake in the desert.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 64):
Where do they currently fly? I'm thinking HKG + QF107/108. Is that it?

The only route I can think of is SYD-HKG-SYD (1,2,3) QF127-QF0128 & SYD-LAX-SYD QF0011-QF0012 as there isn't any First on the QF0107-QF0108 service.

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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16320 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 64):
I'm not sure how to feel about this... on the one hand they do need to go, they never fitted in with the rest of the fleet, which left both logistical challenges and [arguably] a sub-par passenger experience. On the other hand, I think that they're kind cool

I kinda like the RR birds too. The sound of those engines is one of my favorites after the GE90 I think


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 915 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16270 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 61):
B767-300:

VH-ZXC has been withdrawn from service leaving only 2 RR powered B763s in service (ZXE,ZXG) both of which will be retired by the end of the year.
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 64):
On the other hand, I think that they're kind cool      
Quoting zkokq (Reply 66):
I kinda like the RR birds too. The sound of those engines is one of my favorites after the GE90 I thin

Ditto to all of the above. Will anyone have an insight as to when the very very last pax flight will be. If so, I would be interested in receiving such info in a timely manner (in other words, I want to be on it), cheers.



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User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5294 posts, RR: 11
Reply 68, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16257 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 65):
The only route I can think of is SYD-HKG-SYD (1,2,3) QF127-QF0128 & SYD-LAX-SYD QF0011-QF0012 as there isn't any First on the QF0107-QF0108 service.

Ah QF11/12 is an A380. Pretty sure the only 744 route where F is sold is SYD-HKG. These 3 4 class 744s also turn up on SYD-NRT and SYD-JNB.

OEB on SYD-HKG today, OJL on QF11! OJM at Avalon since 24/7.

Must be a broken A380 or scheduled MX and the 744 has been planned for some time.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 65):

Interesting to see what's to become of the remaining 4 x 3 class B744 aircraft. My wild guess is sun bake in the desert.

I'd expect so, they are from 1989/91, OJI could fly a little longer going on a 6 yearly D check it should be due late 2014 early 2015, OJA, OJC and OJE will be sue for D Checks very soon.

OJA on SYD-NRT-SYD, OJC at Avalon since 27/7, OJE did JNB-SYD today, OJI on SYD-SIN.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 69, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16180 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 68):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 65):
The only route I can think of is SYD-HKG-SYD (1,2,3) QF127-QF0128 & SYD-LAX-SYD QF0011-QF0012 as there isn't any First on the QF0107-QF0108 service.

Ah QF11/12 is an A380. Pretty sure the only 744 route where F is sold is SYD-HKG. These 3 4 class 744s also turn up on SYD-NRT and SYD-JNB.

OEB on SYD-HKG today, OJL on QF11! OJM at Avalon since 24/7.

Yes, QF11-QF12 is an A380 but not when the aircraft goes u/s or utilised on the DXB route conditions of the EK/QF Alliance both carriers promise a consistent product offering.(no B744 is to operate on the DXB sector)

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 68):
Must be a broken A380 or scheduled MX and the 744 has been planned for some time.

I doubt it's a broken A380  the 12 x A380 have just completed the reconfiguration program.

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User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16040 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 60):
Heads up reminder that Garuda resumes BNE tomorrow this time with 737-800's .A daily operation as GA720/721 eta 0710 etd 0840 .CGK-DPS-BNE.

FYI the flight does not originate in CGK- it's a DPS-BNE-DPS service only that will be operated by a 9 aircraft 738 subfleet (think slightly different engines).


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5294 posts, RR: 11
Reply 71, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15992 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 69):
I doubt it's a broken A380  the 12 x A380 have just completed the reconfiguration program.

Why would it not be broken?

VH-OQD hasn't flown it seems since 13/7 when it did QF127 SYD-HKG then QF6011 HKG-MNL? All the others look to have flown in the last couple of days. Maybe it was just a scheduled change for an A check or something.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15964 times:

True,the original plan was CGK-DPS-BNE but that was dropped.My error.

Other news is that Pionair(Skyforce) has been granted Draft Interim Determination rights to fly BNE-NOU with a weekly freight flight with their recently acquired 146-200QC by the IASC.

[Edited 2013-07-31 04:13:08]


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 73, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15926 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 71):
Why would it not be broken?

"Tongue & Cheek"   

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 71):
VH-OQD hasn't flown it seems since 13/7 when it did QF127 SYD-HKG then QF6011 HKG-MNL? All the others look to have flown in the last couple of days. Maybe it was just a scheduled change for an A check or something.

On a much more serious note perhaps just scheduled check.

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User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5294 posts, RR: 11
Reply 74, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15924 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 73):
VH-OQD hasn't flown it seems since 13/7 when it did QF127 SYD-HKG then QF6011 HKG-MNL? All the others look to have flown in the last couple of days. Maybe it was just a scheduled change for an A check or something.

On a much more serious note perhaps just scheduled check

Pretty sure OQD would be having not flown for that long.

I wonder when/if HKG will go daily A380 soon with the reconfigs now done?!


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 75, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15823 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 74):
I wonder when/if HKG will go daily A380 soon with the reconfigs now done?!

With 3 x B744's in the 14/52/32/255 configuration VH-OJL, VH-OJM, VH-OEB I doubt there are plans for the QF127/QF128 to be up gauged to a daily A380. There really ain't any other destination's in the QF network with First Class other than LAX & LHR (I know you shouldn't say never but QF will always sacrifice a LAX bound A380 & schedule it onto the SYD/MEL-DXB-LHR service)

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 76, posted (11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15273 times:

Around 26 people on a Qantas flight from Chile are suffering gastro and have been vomiting.

A fleet of six ambulances has been sent to help.

Paramedics have boarded flight QF28 from Santiago.

The Health Department believes passengers have contacted a norovirus infection.

"[It is] a common cause of outbreaks of gastroenteritis in Australia and elsewhere," according to a statement released by NSW Health this evening.

"[We have] provided Qantas with a letter and factsheet about viral gastro to distribute to all departing passengers, as well as advice for cleaning and cabin staff."

http://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/latest/a...passengers-sick-at-sydney-airport/

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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 77, posted (11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15330 times:

Quoting TN486 (Reply 67):
Will anyone have an insight as to when the very very last pax flight will be. If so, I would be interested in receiving such info in a timely manner (in other words, I want to be on it)

If anyone could provide similar advice about the 737-400 then that would be appreciated  



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User currently offlineA36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15043 times:

Does anyone have a update on Jetstars first 787 that was rolled out of the factory a couple weeks ago. I have checked KPAE blog but nothing there. Only the pic of it just out of the factory that Im sure we have all seen....

So...

Is it painted? Engines run? First Flight? is it on the flight line? It must be getting close to getting in the air.

Also, what are Jetstar's and Qantas for that matter, progress in regards to EIS.

Cannot wait till we have 787's down here.... TBH though there hasn't been much talk on this which kind of surprises me a little  


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 915 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15024 times:

Quoting A36001 (Reply 78):
Cannot wait till we have 787's down here.... TBH though there hasn't been much talk on this which kind of surprises me a little

nothing detailed, however a read of a couple of the CEO's speeches sheds some light http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/speeches



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User currently offlinebwwt From Australia, joined Jul 2013, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14476 times:

Hi all. WIth the movement of QantasLink in SYD from T2 to T3 in the coming weeks I was wondering, how they are actually going to fit these flights into the terminal? Has new space been made available or something?

User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14435 times:

Quoting A36001 (Reply 78):

She entered paint a few days back. I would expect her to be rolled out in the next couple of days


User currently offlineA36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14210 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 81):
Quote:
She entered paint a few days back. I would expect her to be rolled out in the next couple of days



Thanks...        

I'm kind of looking forward to seeing it! She's gonna be a looker....  


User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14150 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 83):

That's going to be mighty interesting when they want to get an A380 in or out of 96!



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 84, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14106 times:

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 84):

Quoting EK413 (Reply 83):

That's going to be mighty interesting when they want to get an A380 in or out of 96!

Hangar 96 is my least concerns. Would be interesting to see what happens when an aircraft is in Hangar opposite 416.

On a positive note its a smart move having both Domestic & Regional under the 1 roof.  

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User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14049 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 85):
On a positive note its a smart move having both Domestic & Regional under the 1 roof.

Sure is! Especially good for my mother who frequently travels from a regional port via Sydney to Canberra and will no longer have to change terminals to do so – and can use the good Qantas Club in both directions now   



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 86, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13949 times:

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 86):
Sure is! Especially good for my mother who frequently travels from a regional port via Sydney to Canberra and will no longer have to change terminals to do so %u2013 and can use the good Qantas Club in both directions now

I hope the operators of SYD reconsider their proposal converting T1, T2, & T3 into a International / Domestic Terminal which has been scrapped.   VA felt QF would have the upper hand with this proposal.

http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r687/pcl138/a1c057a2f0fb20ba3db6e81f0aad4077_zps6a312f00.jpg

http://express.bcdtravel.com.au/indu...-domestic-international-terminals/

Putting an end to troublesome transfers, Sydney Airport is set to combine domestic and international terminals. To ease traffic congestion, the overhaul will also see a new ring road around the airport precinct.

Released in a draft of the airport’s 20 year master plan, the proposal’s cornerstone measure is the handling of the estimated 74.3 million passengers expected to be using the airport by 2033.

Sydney Airport scrapped an earlier proposal to create two alliance-based mega-terminals combining domestic and international operations in September 2012. The new concept is set to move on from being an alliance concept to one based around specific airline requirements and (passenger) transfer flows.

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User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13861 times:

VA has a B737-700 based over here in Perth which has been operating Newman, Port Hedland and Karratha flights during the week.

Believe it's taken over the XR F100 weekend services to KGI also.

-VBZ is the one over here and it's been here since mid July, hopefully it will be rotated with the one in new VA livery -VBY.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 88, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13819 times:

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 58):
An A332 would be a good choice, and more viable then an A345, the fuel costs would be far too high as it wouldn't always be needed for long haul flights anyway. The A332 would be more versatile.

I'm a little late to this whole discussion, but in reality the A332 won't offer much than the BBJs don't already in terms of range. The BBJs can easily reach everywhere in Asia, while both need a stop to Europe and Washington (especially with entourage in tow). Perhaps they would be better for flying to Africa and the Middle East, but those trips are pretty rare.

The bulk of the work that the BBJs do is ferrying the PM around Australia and flying the Foreign Minister overseas. A dedicated A330 will be too big and too expensive for the couple of times a year when it is needed.

I would personally prefer to see a new VIP cabin developed that can be fitted into the MRFs when the extra capabilities are required. They can then keep the BBJs (or perhaps get something new with similar capabilities -- a few G650s or similar?) for everything else.

Quoting koruman (Reply 62):

W is a niche product that is offered at a pretty inflated price, so automatically has limited market appeal. QF has been offering W for almost 5 years and has had various different configurations across different planes, so I think they've probably got a good idea for what the market here is able to support without cutting fares and yields.

The NZ market is a different market with different dynamics. NZ offers more W seats for the same reason that QF offers F -- that's what the market wants and is willing to support.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 63):
One could also compare to BA's A380: 14F/97J/55W/303Y. Again QF has far fewer W seats, and far more Y seats. I know BA's W cabin doesn't compare to QF's, and accordingly BA charges a much smaller premium over Y than QF. So presumably BA is putting more W seats in because they take up less space?

The seats themselves are pretty similar in size. Again, the difference just comes down to a different strategy and market.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 75):

It makes more sense to have the fuel guzzling 747s sat around doing nothing than to have 1.5-2 frames slack in the (already extremely under-utilised) A380 fleet. It also makes a lot of sense from a consistency perspective, and a marketing one now that CX has got it's new seats on every flight into SYD.

I think a move to daily towards the end of the year (perhaps to coincide with the opening of the new lounge) is likely. The additional capacity is pretty minimal (remembering they just dropped 900 seats a week when they canned QF87/88) compared to the potential operational and competitive advantages it would bring.

They'll still have plenty of spare 747s floating around that can be used if there are operational issues and the A380 has to go to LHR/LAX instead.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 83):

Interesting -- that'll make for quite a nice little bus trip. Where abouts did you find the graphic?

Quoting EK413 (Reply 87):

It was indeed a shame to see nothing come out of that proposal.

Does anyone know if there ever been a proposal/study into moving the 07/25 runway further north to create more space in the eastern part of the field (most of that land is totally wasted at the moment) which could be used to build a brand new, totally inclusive set of terminals that bring everything together in one space and link straight into the end Southern Cross Drive?

There are a few issues at would have to be worked through (ie Kogarah Golf Course, clearance in Mascot/Woli Creek, proximity of terminals to 34R/16L etc), but I'd rather see them recreate the airport on the existing site rather than spending the same money on a brand new airport over an hour from the city (probably closer to two given how tragic our transport infrastructure is here).


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 89, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13813 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 87):
I hope the operators of SYD reconsider their proposal converting T1, T2, & T3 into a International / Domestic Terminal which has been scrapped.

I wasn't aware it had been scrapped, do you have a source for that?

V/F



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 90, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13709 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 88):
-VBZ is the one over here and it's been here since mid July, hopefully it will be rotated with the one in new VA livery -VBY.

I believe VH-VBY is stored in BNE & For Sale.

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 89):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 87):
I hope the operators of SYD reconsider their proposal converting T1, T2, & T3 into a International / Domestic Terminal which has been scrapped.

I wasn't aware it had been scrapped, do you have a source for that?

V/F

The plan was scrapped roughly a year ago http://www.ausbt.com.au/sydney-airpo...-for-alliance-based-mega-terminals

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User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 850 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13606 times:

For Perth spotters, Air New Zealand has a 77W scheduled on this Wednesdays (7th August) NZ175/NZ176 in place of the usual 77E.

User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 92, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 13483 times:

It escaped my notice, but this week saw the first international flight fly out of the new terminal at CBR. It was a VA 73H charter taking Brumbies supporters to Hamilton. Presumably there is a return flight today.

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 85):
Sure is! Especially good for my mother who frequently travels from a regional port via Sydney to Canberra and will no longer have to change terminals to do so

I agree, my girlfriend is also from regional NSW and takes the same trip when heading home from CBR. It's not the most arduous transfer ever, but it would certainly be a nice improvement.

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 85):
can use the good Qantas Club in both directions now

There is a QantasClub in T2 (although it's about to be shuttered when QantasLink move out)



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 93, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13383 times:

Been browsing the site and stumbled across this photo.


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Question: if the aircraft was delivered in 1997 and why do the bulk heads etc make it look as though its from the 1970's???


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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 94, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13362 times:

Sorry, what precisely is the question? Why are the QF 767s so dated?

For a start all the early build 767s (basically any pre-BSI, roughly 2000-ish) have a very 1980-esque interior. Obviously some carriers have given their aircraft a refresh with new bulkheads etc, but for whatever reason QF has traditionally not done much to update their 767 interiors. That said, that photo is out of date as it now has the leather seats and the slightly strange cream and blue bulkheads in J, which IMHO really make them feel fresher.

That said, a "new" BSI 767 is a complete different bird, and basically just a slightly narrower 777. They're really nice to fly, but QF don't have any new 767s.



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User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13312 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 92):
There is a QantasClub in T2

I know – but it's not nearly as nice as the T3 one. I've spent quite a lot of time in both.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 96, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13322 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 94):

Sorry, what precisely is the question? Why are the QF 767s so dated?

For a start all the early build 767s (basically any pre-BSI, roughly 2000-ish) have a very 1980-esque interior. Obviously some carriers have given their aircraft a refresh with new bulkheads etc, but for whatever reason QF has traditionally not done much to update their 767 interiors. That said, that photo is out of date as it now has the leather seats and the slightly strange cream and blue bulkheads in J, which IMHO really make them feel fresher.

That said, a "new" BSI 767 is a complete different bird, and basically just a slightly narrower 777. They're really nice to fly, but QF don't have any new 767s.

The photo I provided is all I could find in our database but yes the question was concerning the cabin of QFs B767's vs other carriers which appear to have a much newer feel & you've answered my question.

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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 97, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13291 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 96):

Got you now! Yep, other carriers have been more proactive in refurbishing their aircraft than QF have, including new overhead bins.

I'm not sure when exactly the BSI product became standard on the 767, but it was around 2000. I flew on a new JL 767 a fe years back and it was a totally different aircraft to the type I'm more accustomed to! Bright and airy cabin, curvy overhead bins, nicer side panels... it was an incredible transformation of a 20 year old frame!



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 98, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13258 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 96):
The photo I provided is all I could find in our database but yes the question was concerning the cabin of QFs B767's vs other carriers which appear to have a much newer feel & you've answered my question.

Cost. QF has never felt that spending the money has been a worthwhile investment, and they were probably right once the A330s had started arriving.

If the 763ERs had continued to be used as proper regional aircraft (ie serving HKG, not MNL) then I daresay we'd have seen the international subfleet gain new interiors and proper international seats. It's a bit of a shame they didn't go down that route, but that's just what they decided to do.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13215 times:

Its hard to see what they can do with SYD to make it as efficient as possible.

Combining terminals by alliance had its merits, as this should dictate many travel pattern requirements but VA was right in a few ways to not see the value in it for them.

It will be a very interesting transition phase if things do change though.


User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13175 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 97):
Yep, other carriers have been more proactive in refurbishing their aircraft than QF have, including new overhead bins.
Quoting qf002 (Reply 98):
QF has never felt that spending the money has been a worthwhile investment

Probably also combined with the fact that they would all have been retired years ago if the 787 had been on time – not worth spending millions on a full refurbishment on frames that are about to go.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 101, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12909 times:

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 100):
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 97):
Yep, other carriers have been more proactive in refurbishing their aircraft than QF have, including new overhead bins.
Quoting qf002 (Reply 98):
QF has never felt that spending the money has been a worthwhile investment

Probably also combined with the fact that they would all have been retired years ago if the 787 had been on time – not worth spending millions on a full refurbishment on frames that are about to go.

I could be wrong but I believe the B763 refurbishment program cost $1million per an aircraft. Don't quote me though, all in all the product offering is pretty good except for the overhead bins.

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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13000 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 87):
Believe it's taken over the XR F100 weekend services to KGI also.

-VBZ is the one over here and it's been here since mid July, hopefully it will be rotated with the one in new VA livery -VBY.

Hi there.

I dont think you will get Bravo Yankee. She is on limited flight time/hours until she departs VA and will only operate flights to from BNE. Her time is very limited. I track her daily and she is my favorite plane, I dont want to see her go.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 103, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12954 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 102):
I dont think you will get Bravo Yankee. She is on limited flight time/hours until she departs VA and will only operate flights to from BNE. Her time is very limited. I track her daily and she is my favorite plane, I dont want to see her go.

She's tucked away & doesn't see any activity by the looks of it  
Tucked away at the furthermost part of the airport, VH-VBY sitting idle beside...


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User currently offlineSYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12927 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 86):
I hope the operators of SYD reconsider their proposal converting T1, T2, & T3 into a International / Domestic Terminal which has been scrapped. VA felt QF would have the upper hand with this proposal.

Remind me again, who was going to based where? VA at the Intl Terminal and QF at the Domestic?

From an ops perspective, would this cause issues as the majority (if not all) of the Intl flights go off 16R and a good chunk of the domestic/regional ops go off 16L, having the domestic and international ops sitting either side of 16R would cause a lot of crisscrossing. Or is this impact minimal?



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12947 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 103):

And she wont for much longer. I was told the lessor wants her to have the least amount of hours and cycles on her as they can.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 106, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12922 times:

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 104):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 86):
I hope the operators of SYD reconsider their proposal converting T1, T2, & T3 into a International / Domestic Terminal which has been scrapped. VA felt QF would have the upper hand with this proposal.

Remind me again, who was going to based where? VA at the Intl Terminal and QF at the Domestic?

From an ops perspective, would this cause issues as the majority (if not all) of the Intl flights go off 16R and a good chunk of the domestic/regional ops go off 16L, having the domestic and international ops sitting either side of 16R would cause a lot of crisscrossing. Or is this impact minimal?

QF & Oneworld was going to operate from T2 & T3.

VA & all remaining Alliances from T1.

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User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12941 times:

I believe -VBY and -VBZ are owned by VA so not leased.

User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12936 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 107):

Are you sure?  

Bit of info about my girl  
http://www.aussieairliners.org/b-737/vh-vby/vhvby.html

[Edited 2013-08-04 04:57:41]

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 109, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12922 times:

Regarding VH-VBY, the aircraft register may help there: VBY" target="_blank">http://casa-query.funnelback.com/sea...n=casa_aircraft_register&query=VBY

Quote:
VH VBY

Power Driven Aeroplane with TRICYCLE-RETRACTABLE landing gear
2 Turbofan engines

Manufacturer: THE BOEING COMPANY
Model: 737-7FE
Serial number: 34323
Aircraft first registered in Australia: 22 July 2005
Year of manufacture: 2005

Full Registration


Registration holder as of 23 April 2009

VB 700 2009 PTY LTD

PO Box 1034
SPRING HILL QLD 4004
AUSTRALIA

Registered operator as of 23 April 2009

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA AIRLINES PTY LTD

PO Box 1034
SPRING HILL QLD 4004
AUSTRALIA

Looks like it is owned by a company specifically set up for this aircraft (and VH-VBZ too). The postal address would suggest it might be owned (in a slightly round about way) by VA.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 110, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12608 times:

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 104):

I tried hunting down the video but its no longer available for obvious reasons (no longer going ahead).

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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12594 times:

VA has announced to the ASX a profit downgrade. They now expect a statutory loss for FY2013, mainly due to the costs of acquiring XR & TT and the transition to Sabre.

Quote:
As a result of these factors, Virgin Australia expects a statutory Loss After Tax in the range of $95-$110m. Included in the statutory Loss After Tax is the operating pre-tax loss for the recently acquired Skyqest business which is estimated to be between $5-10m, reflecting the investments being made in the business to facilitate rapid growth. The pre-tax loss excluding the one-off pre-tax restructuring and transformation costs and pre-tax loss from the Skywest business (both referred to above) is estimated to be between $30-50m for the 2013 financial year. This outcome also includes the carbon tax and the gains on ineffective hedges.
Cost per Available Seat Kilometre (CASK) (excluding fuel) is expected to be approximately equal to the result from the prior year, notwithstanding the significant investment in product enhancements.
2013 Financial Year Guidance

If VA is doing it tough, no doubt QF will be too. Probably why QF has avoided giving any profit guidance for FY2013.

Also in VA news, they are increasing their fuel surcharges, just as QF recently announced. We're heading back to the old days of a duopoly methinks.


User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12601 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 111):
If VA is doing it tough, no doubt QF will be too. Probably why QF has avoided giving any profit guidance for FY2013.

The domestic economy is slowing rapidly and this is feeding through to the domestic airlines' performance at the same time both have ramped up capacity. As well as the mining boom ending, we have seen the Australian government radically curtail public service travel as it looks for budget savings.

Both VA and QF will be suffering. Likewise, the decline in the AUD will slow down the outbound international travel market as well as putting pressure on costs, particularly USD denominated fuel and aircraft leases. It will be interesting to see how effective the airlines have hedged the 10+% fall in the AUD since March.

The only potential upsides for the airlines is that there may be some recovery in inbound tourism. Domestic tourism remains in the doldrums and even a weakening AUD, forcing domestic tourists to look at travel locally, may not be enough to give that sector a fillip.



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User currently offlinedavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 113, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12588 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 111):
Also in VA news, they are increasing their fuel surcharges, just as QF recently announced. We're heading back to the old days of a duopoly methinks.

I realise this may be splitting hairs, but are the airlines really increasing their fuel surcharges, or are they increaing their fares? Unless they itemise fuel as a sperate item on their tickets (which last time I booked either VA or QF they didn't) then isn't it just a bit of "spin" to try to pretend that this is a "surcharge"?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25004 posts, RR: 85
Reply 114, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12595 times:
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Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 111):
Also in VA news, they are increasing their fuel surcharges, just as QF recently announced. We're heading back to the old days of a duopoly methinks.

I think we're already there and have been for some time. It is a duopoly.

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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12597 times:

Quoting davidByrne (Reply 113):
I realise this may be splitting hairs, but are the airlines really increasing their fuel surcharges, or are they increaing their fares? Unless they itemise fuel as a sperate item on their tickets (which last time I booked either VA or QF they didn't) then isn't it just a bit of "spin" to try to pretend that this is a "surcharge"?

It doesn't really matter either way, as with all-inclusive pricing mandatory in Australia, it's not quoted separately. The only difference would be for award tickets, where if the base fare increases award tickets are unaffected. VA seems to be increasing the fuel surcharge component (I believe it's referred to as the YQ charge). QF mainly increased the YQ charge, expect for USA & South Africa flights, where the base fare increased.

Quoting mariner (Reply 114):
I think we're already there and have been for some time. It is a duopoly.

I think up until TT's grounding they had some pricing power against DJ & JQ. Following their return to service they ended up a bottom feeder and the big two largely ignored TT's pricing.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12601 times:

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 112):
The only potential upsides for the airlines is that there may be some recovery in inbound tourism.

Plus the fact that every dollar that they make in foreign currently is now worth more in AUD (the value of a fare sold in USD has dropped by 20% over the past few years -- this is now reversing). They've probably also moved a lot of their cash holding into USD which will make future aircraft deliveries and other major international costs cheaper in AUD terms.


User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12608 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 91):

ZK-OKO at this stage.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 118, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12613 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 111):
If VA is doing it tough, no doubt QF will be too

Yes and no.

On the one hand the capacity war is going to trash the yields for both carriers. On the other, a lot of VA's issues are either "one off" or self-inflicted.

The most obvious is the Skywest and Tiger purchases, both of which are delivering negative returns to the VAH bottom line. Fairfax Business Day is reporting that had VAH owned Skywest for the full FY, then that would have been a drain of ~$60mn to the bottom line, and even in the two months of ownership added -$10mn.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...n-acquisitions-20130805-2r8sx.html

I think the most interesting comment in that article is:

Quote:
There is nothing Virgin’s John Borghetti can do about the economy - but it’s a hell of a time to have a capacity war

  

I think the next 12 months are going to be fascinating to watch at VAH at the executive, rather than operational, level.

On the one hand Borghetti is playing a long-term game here, he is looking 5-10 years out, not 5-10 quarters. His aviation investors (NZ, SQ, EY) are probably happy to sit back and take this. For them VAH is not a quick-return investment, and they would be more willing to allow VA to develop as a solid partner in the Australian market for their own commercial operations, and also - for want of a better phrase - to weaken Qantas.

However, Borghetti cannot loose sight of the fact that he is running an ASX listed company, not a pet project and vendetta. His other investors will be taking a much shorter term approach, and unless things start to improve soon then questions will begin to be asked. In the past I have heard it said that VAH would be better off de-listed, and I'm inclined to agree.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 112):
Both VA and QF will be suffering

  

Quoting qf002 (Reply 116):
They've probably also moved a lot of their cash holding into USD which will make future aircraft deliveries and other major international costs cheaper in AUD terms

I hadn't considered that, you are probably right.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 112):
he decline in the AUD will slow down the outbound international travel market as well as putting pressure on costs, particularly USD denominated fuel and aircraft leases

The drop in AUD will impact on costs, no doubt about it, but so long as they have a Forex consultant with half a brain they've probably hedged against it as qf002 suggested.

Quoting davidByrne (Reply 113):
I realise this may be splitting hairs, but are the airlines really increasing their fuel surcharges, or are they increaing their fares?

For revenue tickets it makes no difference, but it does impact on reward tickets. If I was been cynical I would say that "fuel surcharges" were introduced precisely so that they could earn revenue on award bookings, given that revenue tickets have to be fully bundled in Australia.

[Edited 2013-08-04 22:52:36]


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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11354 times:

Australian business traveler is reporting the following today, with news of dedicated EY lounges in SYD and MEL:

'Etihad Airways is expanding its ambitions for Australia with confirmation of Airbus A380 flights to Sydney and Melbourne in late 2014, the start of direct flights from Perth and scheduling additional flights Melbourne and Brisbane to its Abu Dhabi hub'

I wonder does anyone here have further details of the additional flights to BNE and MEL? Are they going to be non-stop, whats the frequency?

I am also curious where the MEL lounge will go? There is no real room for any new lounges so one must be closing. I would be on either the UA lounge (Huge expense for a once daily flight to SYD) or the MH lounge who would share with QF. Currently VA and EY use the NZ lounge which in MEL has a rather poor offering at peek times, not suitable for F pax, the article mentions that VA and EY would be sharing, a big improvement for VA pax!


User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11344 times:

Just paid $1400 in fuel surcharges/fees for a "free" ticket on an airline with a roo. Funny enough they refused/cant give me a breakdown of what the fees are.


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 121, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11304 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 119):
the MH lounge who would share with QF

That would be my guess as well. There is a similar question-mark over where the SkyTeam lounge is going to go at SYD, and rumour has it that it will be the MH lounge.



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11254 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 119):
the start of direct flights from Perth

Interesting. I know they have talked about it, but with the WA market cooling, maybe its not a great time to attempt this.It is the most exposed market in this country to a mining slump afterall, and with EK and QR already there, it will be interesting to watch.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 119):
Airbus A380 flights to Sydney and Melbourne in late 2014

Has been stated in the past, but good to see its still on the agenda.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 119):
scheduling additional flights Melbourne and Brisbane to its Abu Dhabi hub'

I can see additional frequencies to MEL (maybe increase to 11 weekly), with the A380 coming in to increase capacity further. Going double daily at this stage doesn't seem to be a viable idea.

As for BNE, no idea. A few non-stop flights a week could go well.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 119):
dedicated EY lounges in SYD and MEL:

I hasd heard that this may be going in the new satellite terminal space which was built over the past couple of years. Not sure exactly, but thats the word I heard a while back.


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11273 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 119):
'Etihad Airways is expanding its ambitions for Australia with confirmation of Airbus A380 flights to Sydney and Melbourne in late 2014, the start of direct flights from Perth and scheduling additional flights Melbourne and Brisbane to its Abu Dhabi hub'

Interesting that EY will up MEL to A380 in addition to extra frequency. That's quite the increase from a daily A346. With the SYD flight getting A380 perhaps VA will pull out of AUH and re-direct to BNE/MEL-LAX?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 121):
That would be my guess as well. There is a similar question-mark over where the SkyTeam lounge is going to go at SYD, and rumour has it that it will be the MH lounge.

The SYD EY lounge is supposedly going to be in the area near the gates in the 50s. AusBT says that the hoarding is already up? Has anyone seen where this space is?
MH would be wise to exit its SYD & MEL lounge spaces to use the superior QF lounges.


User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11183 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 117):
ZK-OKO at this stage.

Is this a one-off? Anyone know the reason? Perhaps they are trialing the product on the route (wishful thinking, I know.)

Also, a friend of mine who works at PER told me that PR are cancelling Perth. Wouldn't surprise me at all.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

Quoting ben175 (Reply 124):
Also, a friend of mine who works at PER told me that PR are cancelling Perth. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

That would be a very short stay.

I couldn't see the point in PER for PR though, as it doesn't seem to be that big of a market for MNL flights, so you are right,m it shouldn't be a surprise at all.


User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10893 times:

-VBZ's 3 week in WA operating regional routes has come to an end, it flew back to Melbourne last night.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 127, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11050 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 119):
'Etihad Airways is expanding its ambitions for Australia with confirmation of Airbus A380 flights to Sydney and Melbourne in late 2014, the start of direct flights from Perth and scheduling additional flights Melbourne and Brisbane to its Abu Dhabi hub'

Even though it was expected this is welcoming news 

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 128, posted (11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10619 times:

It was rumored earlier (refer abovememtioned posts) that Philippine Airlines was going to suspend flights to Perth. Well according to Airlineroute, Philippine Airlines has closed-out reservations (for travel post 03SEP13) for its 4x weekly Perth-Darwin-Manila flights. The airline only introduced services to Perth at the start of June...

There is nil change to the airline's existing thrice weekly Brisbane-Darwin-Manila flights.

[Edited 2013-08-07 23:05:40]

User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

PR to PER... perhaps the exercise was designed to keep somebody out.

User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10372 times:

I knew from day one PER-DRW-MNL wouldn't work, especially at 4 x weekly. Would have been nice to see them drop to 1-2 x weekly before cutting it though. I mean looking at some dates, the flight has less than 30 people onboard.

I actually think PER-MNL direct with a WB aircraft would work with proper advertising on both ends and connections from MNL to Asia and North America.

Does anyone have more info on EY commencing PER? I feel like they've announced the route about 10 times over the past few years. Hopefully this materializes. Will be interesting to see QR, EK and EY all head out within an hour or so of eachother, if they choose to do a late night departure (which I assume they will for connection purposes)

Here's also hoping that KQ's rumoured NBO-PER service is still on the cards for 2015.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10277 times:

Quoting ben175 (Reply 130):
Here's also hoping that KQ's rumoured NBO-PER service is still on the cards for 2015.

I thought I read those plans were from 2017.

After what happened at NBO yesterday they may have other issues to deal with for a while to come.

Quoting ben175 (Reply 130):
I actually think PER-MNL direct with a WB aircraft would work with proper advertising on both ends and connections from MNL to Asia and North America.

Even MEL has only recently received dedicated MNL flights with PR (not linked with SYD), and the market would be far larger for this route than PER.

Quoting ben175 (Reply 130):
I knew from day one PER-DRW-MNL wouldn't work, especially at 4 x weekly. Would have been nice to see them drop to 1-2 x weekly before cutting it though. I mean looking at some dates, the flight has less than 30 people onboard.

I'm sure they looked at forward bookings and considered that the market just wasn't worth chasing at this stage based off those numbers.

I agree, strange move to even start it. The DRW stop would not have helped, but even then, at those numbers, seems to be an experiment that was misguided.

It may also show the amount of capacity in the PER market needs a time to consolidate recent increases. There's only so much a market the size of PER can sustain.

[Edited 2013-08-08 03:06:18]

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 132, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9760 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 131):
After what happened at NBO yesterday they may have other issues to deal with for a while to come.

FIRST responders to the massive airport fire that gutted the arrival hall at Nairobi's main airport apparently looted electronics, a bank and an ATM.
Officials said first responders stole electronics and money from an ATM. Another official said that police guarding the site overnight attempted to a take a safe from a bank in the burned-out arrivals hall, which also houses several foreign currency exchange shops.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/world-news/fi...dir2ev-1226693912691#ixzz2bSbXlxSe

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User currently offlineZuluAlpha From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

A man has died at BNE international terminal after falling off from the elevators (I'm guessing from the departures level to the immigration hall?).


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-0...off-escalator-at-brisbane-airport/


With the article saying he was a british national inbound from Biloela, wondering if was working the mines



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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9439 times:

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 133):
(I'm guessing from the departures level to the immigration hall?).

Departures is level 4 and arrivals is level 2 but escalators go down to level 1 (I was there this morning and area was still closed off), so not sure exactly but would imagine he fell from Level 4 to Level 1


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 135, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9358 times:

Here she is people JQ's 1st B787 LN123 ZA215 VH-VKA

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7438/9473163523_6b893f00ce_o.jpg
JETSTAR VH-VKA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

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JETSTAR VH-VKA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

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User currently offlinebwwt From Australia, joined Jul 2013, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9207 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 134):
Departures is level 4 and arrivals is level 2 but escalators go down to level 1 (I was there this morning and area was still closed off), so not sure exactly but would imagine he fell from Level 4 to Level 1

Yep, the news says he fell three floors, so sounds like he fell from checkin to level 1.


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 137, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9172 times:

I heard that he was a deportee, haven't seen any confirmation, but its a bit of a "publish half the story" week, as evidenced by those poor British girls in Zanzibar whose religion is only acknowledged in the Israeli media.

The Brisbane escalators are certainly very, very steep.


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9076 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 135):

Beautiful! Cant wait to see them at OOL!


User currently offlineA36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9026 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 135):

Ooooo hello hello hello.... It's finally here! And might I say looking every bit as good as a 787 can possibly look!

Now we wait for the Qantas ones, I am going out on a limb here and will say the Qantas 787 WILL be the best looking 787 ever. Better even than BA! The design of the roo on the 787 shaped tail will absolutely rock!  Smile

[Edited 2013-08-09 20:53:06]

User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

Quoting http://www.news.com.au/national-news/victoria/virgin-and-jetstar-planes-collide-at-melbourne-airport/story-fnii5sms-1226694679366:
AIR traffic investigators will assess a collision between two aircraft at Melbourne Airport which saw a Virgin and Jetstar jet crash into each other.
“Two aircraft made contact while taxiing at Melbourne Airport, (the) incident occurred at approximately 9.30am,” airport spokesman Matt Francis said.
“The incident involved an aircraft pushing back from its gate for departure, and an aircraft which was holding for a gate.”
There were no passenger or air personnel injured in the incident which was attended by five emergency response vehicles.


Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/national...W0LXk

A JQ and VA plane have collided at MEL. Seems not too serious but some bad damage to the two planes.


User currently offlinepugsley From Australia, joined Jan 2010, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 140):

Another photo of the damage to the JQ plane is on ninemsn:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...lanes-collide-at-melbourne-airport

Quoting EK413 (Reply 135):

The body looks good .... Not sure of the white engins .... Lets see what eventually happens to them!



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Not sure on the white engines. Will work for QF though!

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2948 posts, RR: 2
Reply 143, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8817 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 123):
Has anyone seen where this space is?

I didn't see anything a month ago, but it's probably not located directly off the departures level and I wasn't actively looking.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 135):

Damn, I was really hoping for silver engines! She looks stunning anyway, and I agree that QF's livery is going to look incredible on the 789s (their whole branding concept just seems to match the style of the aircraft).


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 144, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 138):

        

Quoting A36001 (Reply 139):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 135):

Ooooo hello hello hello.... It's finally here! And might I say looking every bit as good as a 787 can possibly look!

Now we wait for the Qantas ones, I am going out on a limb here and will say the Qantas 787 WILL be the best looking 787 ever. Better even than BA! The design of the roo on the 787 shaped tail will absolutely rock!

Yes she's finally here!!! I've been tracking her movement & knew she would've made an appearance this week 
It certainly rocks in the JQ color scheme  
The B787 is going to scream in the QF scheme & I really can't wait!

Quoting pugsley (Reply 141):
The body looks good .... Not sure of the white engins .... Lets see what eventually happens to them!
Quoting zkokq (Reply 142):
Not sure on the white engines. Will work for QF though!

I doubt the engine cowlings will see another coat of paint considering these birds are destined for mainline from 2016   unless plans shuffled around once again.

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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 145, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8504 times:

Rollout photos  Smilehttp://farm6.staticflickr.com/5468/9474814875_8c11ae4d86_b.jpg
Our first Boeing 787 in its Jetstar livery by Jetstar Airways, on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3763/9477606308_479ea38120_b.jpg
Our first Boeing 787 in its Jetstar livery by Jetstar Airways, on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5530/9474818199_3a9f236eea_b.jpg
Our first Boeing 787 in its Jetstar livery by Jetstar Airways, on Flickr

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2834/9474817225_c21b047a45_b.jpg
Our first Boeing 787 in its Jetstar livery by Jetstar Airways, on Flickr

EK8413

[Edited 2013-08-10 03:45:35]


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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8258 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 102):
I dont think you will get Bravo Yankee. She is on limited flight time/hours until she departs VA and will only operate flights to from BNE. Her time is very limited. I track her daily and she is my favorite plane, I dont want to see her go.
Quoting zkokq (Reply 105):
And she wont for much longer. I was told the lessor wants her to have the least amount of hours and cycles on her as they can.
Quoting QF744ER (Reply 107):
I believe -VBY and -VBZ are owned by VA so not leased.

Do we know who her new operator is planned to be? I know we had a similar discussion a few threads back, though that deal fell through.

Quoting zkokq (Reply 142):
Not sure on the white engines.

Don't want to spoil that fuel consumption now, do we.  



Someone repaint ZK-PBG!
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 147, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8185 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 146):
Quoting zkokq (Reply 142):
Not sure on the white engines.

Don't want to spoil that fuel consumption now, do we.

Nor do we want to scare off passengers with the lack of 'Dreamliner' titles OR fuel saving measure 

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User currently offlineBoof From Australia, joined Apr 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7968 times:

I came across the below link that to me suggests there is a chance that both the QF and QLink HBA services are going back to all jet operated by Cobham 717's under the QLink brand next year:

Quote:

Cobham now recruiting for the 717. They are set to open 2 new bases this year: Canberra and Sydney plus Hobart in 2014.

Source: http://www.pinstripesolutions.com/news/pilot-recruitment-goes-crazy/

Interesting times ahead, but also rather ironic if it occurs as the original Impulse 717's were first operated under the QLink brand between HBA-MEL, and HBA-SYD as well as the LST services. As they say the more things change the more they stay the same!

Cheers,

Boof



If only B6 flew in Australia...
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4856 posts, RR: 4
Reply 149, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

Quoting Boof (Reply 148):
Interesting times ahead, but also rather ironic if it occurs as the original Impulse 717's were first operated under the QLink brand between HBA-MEL, and HBA-SYD as well as the LST services. As they say the more things change the more they stay the same!

The J/C loads on the HBA services are usually poor so wouldn't surprise me if we see the reconfigured 125Y/C B717's on East coast  

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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7646 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 146):

Do we know who her new operator is planned to be? I know we had a similar discussion a few threads back, though that deal fell through.

Not sure, but I heard the asking price was out of control for both 2x 737's


User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7319 times:

Does anyone have an idea which 747 will operate QF15 tomorrow? Thanks a heap

User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2918 posts, RR: 20
Reply 152, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7221 times:

I see from the QF schedule that for the Christmas/New Year/School Holiday period this year they are swapping the 744 operating SYD-SIN onto SYD-BKK while SYD-SIN goes twice daily A333. QF must be writing a fair bit of business out of BKK, I find it interesting they can't make MEL-BKK work.

User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 153, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7088 times:

Here's an article in today's TravelWeekly and the success of Hawaiian Airlines' Brisbane service. The airline is reporting good load factors and "encouraging" yields...  

HA to keep expanding in Australia

TravelWeekly

Quote:
Hawaiian Airlines will wait until 2014 before exploring the prospect of adding capacity between Brisbane and Honolulu despite a “terrific” first few months for the service.

Loads have hovered in the mid 80s since the three weekly flights launched last November, with encouraging yields, executive vice president and chief commercial officer Peter Ingram said.

“Overall we are really pleased with how the route is performing,” Ingram told Travel Today on a trip to Australia. “Brisbane has been a terrific start-up and we are really pleased with how it’s going.”

HA has made no secret of its intention to ramp up frequencies from Brisbane over time. It already operated 18 additional services between March and May.

But with the carrier’s 2013 fleet deployment already allocated, HA will have to wait until next year before examining any permanent increase in frequencies or upgauging from the current 264-seat B767 aircraft to a 294-seat A330.

Continues...


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 152):
I see from the QF schedule that for the Christmas/New Year/School Holiday period this year they are swapping the 744 operating SYD-SIN onto SYD-BKK while SYD-SIN goes twice daily A333. QF must be writing a fair bit of business out of BKK, I find it interesting they can't make MEL-