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JAT To Relaunch Beirut & 9 Other Destinations  
User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

I was surprised to learn that JAT was returning to Beirut after quite a number of years away.
I was a regular fliers of their's up until 2001, transiting at Belgrade before continuing onto London.
Sometimes the flight would depart Beirut only to land in Damascus before picking up more passengers.

Here is the article

http://www.balkans.com/open-news.php?uniquenumber=179048

The other destinations are Abu Dhabi, Bucharest, Budapest, Cairo, Kiev, Ljubljana, Prague and Varna


Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
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User currently offlineOC2DC From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

As exciting as this sounds, I have many questions.

Where are they going to get the aircraft for all this new flying and when? I have heard they are getting A319s but that has been said for years. Any confirmation on that yet?

Can JATs current aircraft fly all the way to AUH? Seems a bit far for a 733...

I will believe all this when I see it. I'm really hoping Etihad is bringing real change to JAT, unlike what the government has been promising for years.......



I'm not complaining, I'm critiquing...
User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3400 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

Quoting raffik (Thread starter):
Abu Dhabi

Well that is not much of a surprise. The EY tie up is already showing its benefits. Hope it works out.

tortugamon


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting OC2DC (Reply 1):
Can JATs current aircraft fly all the way to AUH? Seems a bit far for a 733...

they did few years back, also did Dubai via Larnaca I think.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Quoting OC2DC (Reply 1):

Where are they going to get the aircraft for all this new flying and when? I have heard they are getting A319s but that has been said for years. Any confirmation on that yet?

Can JATs current aircraft fly all the way to AUH? Seems a bit far for a 733...

EY plans to completely restructure JU and acquire a new fleet of A319s (apparently in the coming months) and AUH will not be a problem for this type, as is evident with EYs daily AUH-BEG service. So AUH will go double daily!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

Quoting OC2DC (Reply 1):

Yes they ran these before with stops. Its good to see them starting routes again.


User currently offlineconnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Well, as far as I know JAT is currently flying to Bucharest OTP, code sharing on TAROM metal ATR42-500. So Bucharest shouldn't be considered a new destination for JAT. The Bucharest to Belgrade route has been operated by Tarom for about two years?

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Topic states relaunch destinations and. not new.

User currently offlineadriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Great news for JAT. The day A319s arrive i'll book to fly them! Can't wait. Belgrade Airport deserves JAT to survive and to do well. Finger's crossed!

User currently offlineconnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
Topic states relaunch destinations and. not new


Can you call Bucharest a "relaunch" where as the route is up and running since Dec 07, 2009 ?   

Back then, started at 3 weekly with AT5, and I see it at 6 weekly/AT5 for Nov 2013. So yeah you can call it frequency increase on the OTP to BEG, but certainly not a "relaunch"  


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Sorry 777,
Beirut is a relaunch as are some other routes. Others are new.

Pedanticism aside, this is a great direction for JAT. A new fleet, connecting traffic through Belgrade and backing from a sound source, all weighs up nicely for the airline.

I wonder how Etihad's influence will filter through to inflight service..



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

it was their own destination previously, so its technically a relaunch.

User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3288 times:

Beirut is a relaunch but I am not sure that all of the other destinations have been served before at some point.
Exciting times for the airline. Wonder if their low cost approach will change with the backing of an well to do investor such as Etihad.



Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlineflyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 4):
So AUH will go double daily!



Why is JAT starting AUH flights as the loadfactor on the EY flights are below 40 to 50%?
EY is flying 40 to 50 pax on average per flight on AUH-BEG-AUH, some flights even with just 20 to 25 pax...
So what's the point to start a second daily flight on this route by JU?

Mike


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

From the 1992 timetable:

They at one point didnt need stops. DXB was served by the DC10.

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/photo1-2_zps2aa46496.jpg
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Quoting connector4you (Reply 9):
Can you call Bucharest a "relaunch" where as the route is up and running since Dec 07, 2009 ?  

And even before then.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting flyingfool (Reply 13):
Why is JAT starting AUH flights as the loadfactor on the EY flights are below 40 to 50%?

AUH-BEG was launched a month ago, and it takes time for a route to start ''living''. I remember when JU launched DXB in 2004 - twice weekly, it had miserable LF initially, something like 20 pax. But, after 6-8 months LF improved drastically and within a year, flights went to six weekly with very healthy load factors, the highest I believe in JUs network at the time.

Considering JU's potential strategic tie-up with EY, double daily hub to hub sounds reasonable and I'm sure time will come when at least EY will deploy A332s on the route on certain days at least. Their strategy is evidently to give QR, FZ, TK and even LH to a certain extent, a hard time. My wild guess is, they will probably win sooner rather than later.



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User currently offlineflyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 15):



I didn't know the route is just 1 month old.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

Quoting flyingfool (Reply 16):
I didn't know the route is just 1 month old.

Yup, 40 days to be precise... http://tangosix.rs/2013/15/06/prvi-let-etihada-za-beograd/



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Quoting connector4you (Reply 9):

Oh I thought it was code share on Tarom not JAT's own ATR.


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Are they leasing 10 A319s? Where are they coming from? And when is the 1st expected?

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 18):

it is c/s

Departure: 09:20 Belgrade, Serbia - Belgrade, terminal 2
Arrival: 11:40 Bucharest, Romania - Henri Coanda
Airline: Jat Airways JU8154 e
Duration: 1:20
Aircraft: Aerospatiale/Alenia ATR42-500
Operated by TAROM

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Quoting connector4you (Reply 9):Can you call Bucharest a "relaunch" where as the route is up and running since Dec 07, 2009 ?
And even before then.

yes we know that, its being relaunched as in operated by JAT itself, any airline that returns to a market with its own service in addition to a c/s, is a relaunch or resumption of its own operation on that route.

Quoting raffik (Reply 10):

Varna is the only new one, but may have been served before too seasonally. They are also resuming Banja Luka.

[Edited 2013-07-25 13:36:17]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
yes we know that, .

Great   Glad to see we are on the same page   


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):

wether it was served before as JAT or Jat, its a former station resuming.


User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Does Banja Luka have enough traffic to warrant a resumption of service?


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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Quoting connector4you (Reply 9):
Can you call Bucharest a "relaunch" where as the route is up and running since Dec 07, 2009 ?

Back then, started at 3 weekly with AT5, and I see it at 6 weekly/AT5 for Nov 2013. So yeah you can call it frequency increase on the OTP to BEG, but certainly not a "relaunch"

It's on RO metal. Tarom operates an AT5 on that route. Wonder if that codeshare will go away or expanded if JAT starts flying the route as well.


User currently offlinedrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

The airline is being renamed Air Serbia.

http://inserbia.info/news/2013/07/se...-jat-airways-air-serbia-is-coming/


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Quoting drgmobile (Reply 25):
The airline is being renamed Air Serbia.

More importantly, the deal is done, Etihad confirmed today that it will be taking a 49% stake in Jat Airways on August the 1st... http://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija....yyy=2013&mm=07&dd=26&nav_id=736322



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineStefMUC From Canada, joined Jul 2013, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Good luck Jat!
Will EY send an A330 to BEG?
Jat could start long-haul flights if these new flights prove success to JU


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting StefMUC (Reply 27):

After the 40 days of service, flight have been performing ok. On some, 50% load factor as someone mentioned earlier, on others, full to capacity.

Eventually, i do believe that 330s will be deployed, at least during peak periods.



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User currently offlineconnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
its being relaunched as in operated by JAT itself, any airline that returns to a market with its own service in addition to a c/s, is a relaunch or resumption of its own operation on that route.

Do you have any formal source to support Jat's own aircraft deployment on BEG to OTP beyond Oct 28 ?


User currently offlineadriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 23):
Does Banja Luka have enough traffic to warrant a resumption of service?

Not really   But given the right connections it 'might' work. Personally i think JAT should attempt to get the rights to Belgrade-Banja Luka-Zurich flights a couple times per week.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (1 year 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Quoting connector4you (Reply 29):
Do you have any formal source to support Jat's own aircraft deployment on BEG to OTP beyond Oct 28 ?

Will be with JU metal, AT7 daily. Details next Thursday.

Quoting adriaticflight (Reply 30):
Not really But given the right connections it 'might' work. Personally i think JAT should attempt to get the rights to Belgrade-Banja Luka-Zurich flights a couple times per week.

Could not agree more. Banja Luka is a mildly ''political'' route, BUT, if connected well - and especially if JU decided to pursue 6th freedom to ZRH as adriaticflight says, it could turn into a positive zero run.



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 31):
Will be with JU metal, AT7 daily. Details next Thursday.

RO has AT7 as well. sure it is not just an upgrade? Don't really see the need for a daily AT5 and a daily AT7 on that route. Especially with a codeshare in place.


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