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British Airways Announces JNB For The A380  
User currently offlineBoeing77w From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 209 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14827 times:

BA has loaded flights for Johannesburg as the next A380 destination. Flights start on February 12 2014 and are on sale from today.

Initially three flights a week, increasing to six flights per week from March 10.

Edit: Title

[Edited 2013-07-24 07:16:06]

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User currently offlineexFWAOONW From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14834 times:

Why does the title of this thread say "boeing"? Isn't it an airbus?  

[edit] you fixed it while I was posting.

[Edited 2013-07-24 07:18:32]

[Edited 2013-07-24 08:05:49]


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User currently offlineBoeing77w From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14766 times:

Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 1):
Why does the title of this thread say "boeing"? Isn't it an airbus?  

I had a 'moment'  


User currently offlineShudu From South Africa, joined Sep 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14570 times:

Great news for JNB, can't wait to see it. JNB-LHR is the busiest long haul international route out of JNB with 2x daily SAA and BA and 1x VS, can't help but think SAA is being left behind once again.

I suspect EK A380 will also resume services very soon, So JNB could have up to 4x daily A380 services mid 2014. Not bad for an airport located right at the bottom of the African continent.

Any possibilities of QF sending their A380 this way after the B747 retire?


User currently onlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5302 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14363 times:

Quoting Shudu (Reply 3):
Any possibilities of QF sending their A380 this way after the B747 retire?

Either that or they stop the route given no other type in their fleet can do the route once the 747's leave.


User currently offlineWAC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

Another route where a rival places A380 with competitors..AF and LH send A380s,
Shows the real advantage of A380 on trunk routes and the need for competitors to operate A380 on these trunk routes...
Ready for the next round of USA legacy bankruptcies?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13428 times:
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No surprise that BA is sending its new plane to the center of teh diamond business. J'burg has LH and AF already so it would be more surprising if BA didn't send the A380 down there. Lots of F & J demand on the LHR to J'burg route which will love the A380.

User currently offlineSelseyBill From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13328 times:

Quoting Boeing77w (Thread starter):
BA has loaded flights for Johannesburg as the next A380 destination. Flights start on February 12 2014 and are on sale from today.

Initially three flights a week, increasing to six flights per week from March 10.

Without having seen the actual timings, presumably once LHR-JNB goes 6 x 380 fpw, this will still involve a long layover in JNB requiring 2 aircraft ?


User currently offlineyakima From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12330 times:

Does that mean BA will operate one A380 instead of 2 x B747?

User currently offlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 1988 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11949 times:
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So, so far LAX, HKG, and now JNB with a BA A380 with a possibility to MIA as well.

No surprise. It's in a matter of time we see BA announce MIA and JFK as an A380 destination.

Congrats JNB!



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User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 731 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11890 times:

Quoting yakima (Reply 8):
Does that mean BA will operate one A380 instead of 2 x B747?

Good question. I was just on those flights last week, and they were all extremely fully booked, expensive tickets (even back where I was   It is one of those routes with a lot of demand. Two 747s leaving right next to each other in the timetable.

I'd give good odds for 1x747 1x380. If they had the metal, 2x380 would probably work from a business and demand perspective.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12804 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11815 times:
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Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 7):
Without having seen the actual timings, presumably once LHR-JNB goes 6 x 380 fpw, this will still involve a long layover in JNB requiring 2 aircraft ?

One would imagine so, yes. My understanding is that daytime returns (in either direction) have never been popular.

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 10):
I'd give good odds for 1x747 1x380. If they had the metal, 2x380 would probably work from a business and demand perspective.

But it's a terrible route from an aircraft utilisation perspective - double-daily A380s would actually require four aircraft for the route.



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User currently offlinebtfarrwm From United States of America, joined May 2011, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11317 times:

Quoting WAC (Reply 5):
Ready for the next round of USA legacy bankruptcies?

Do you mean to say that ANY of the US Legacy carriers' financial futures depends on international routes that don't travel to/from the United States? That seems ridiculous. I would like to see a logical argument stating that JNB-LHR or any similar route could actually bring about bankruptcy in a legacy U.S. carrier that wasn't already bankrupt.


User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11213 times:

BA A380 delivery schedule:

(1 already in service)
1 in Sept 2013
1 in Oct 2013
1 in Jan 2014
1 in Feb 2014
1 in Mar 2014
1 in Aug 2014
1 in Sep 2014
1 in Feb 2015
1 in Jan 2016
1 in Apr 2016
1 in Jun 2016

From Sept 2013, with 2 planes, they will do 5x weekly LAX
From Oct 2013, with 3 planes, they will do LAX plus daily HKG.
From Feb 2014, with 5 planes, 3x weekly JNB is added
From Mar 2014, with 6 planes, JNB goes daily, LAX goes 2x daily in Apr.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10007 times:
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Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 10):
I'd give good odds for 1x747 1x380. If they had the metal, 2x380 would probably work from a business and demand perspective.

Yeah I've flown the HLR-JNB-LHR leg in Feb 2012 and it was full in J and F were full. I asked for upgrade in JNB transfer desk and the lady there told me that the flight is so full that she couldn't even give me premium economy. So she moved me to the back of the 744 and there was empty row for me.  

So it would make sense to me to have daily 2 x A380 to JNB.



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User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9642 times:

Great news, but it was to be expected. Especially for flights from the UK.

Quoting Shudu (Reply 3):

They will have to, but for an aviation buff like myself going to school in Australia, it will be a sad day when those stunning 747s are retired and I have to fly A380's to JNB from SYD.

That being said, the 747s QF have retained still have around nine years of life in them, so I'll have to be sure to make the most of it!



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User currently offlineSAABaby From South Africa, joined Nov 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9459 times:

Great news!!

How many gates at JNB are able to handle A380's, at the same time?


User currently offlineDexSwart From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9285 times:

Quoting SAABaby (Reply 16):
How many gates at JNB are able to handle A380's, at the same time?

I'm pretty sure most of the Northern side of the new pier is A380 capable. QF have flights leaving in the evenings, and I usually see LH and AF A380s next to several other A380 capable gates. There are also four or five A380 capable stands just to the north, facing the Protea Hotel.

Can't confirm that, though.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9235 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 11):
But it's a terrible route from an aircraft utilisation perspective

Profit is a much more important metric than utilisation. This is one of the routes where keeping the plane on the ground waiting for high paying customers generates more profit than a fast turnaround.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12804 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9114 times:
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Quoting teme82 (Reply 14):
So it would make sense to me to have daily 2 x A380 to JNB.

Except BA would have to devote 1/3 of their entire A380 fleet to that one route. Alternatively, they might order more.   



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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 876 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8988 times:

Quoting yakima (Reply 8):
Does that mean BA will operate one A380 instead of 2 x B747?

No - there will be one A380 and one B744.

airlineroute.net also reports that there will be 3 772s per week giving 17 flights per week by BA even after the A380 is introduced - however when trying a dummy booking for next April on ba.com it only gives me 2 flight options per day - so maybe the 3 772 flights are being dropped.


User currently offlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8334 times:

BA 56/57 are awesome flights.

So happy to see it on the A380 now!



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8184 times:

Quoting btfarrwm (Reply 12):
Quoting WAC (Reply 5):
Ready for the next round of USA legacy bankruptcies?

Do you mean to say that ANY of the US Legacy carriers' financial futures depends on international routes that don't travel to/from the United States? That seems ridiculous. I would like to see a logical argument stating that JNB-LHR or any similar route could actually bring about bankruptcy in a legacy U.S. carrier that wasn't already bankrupt.

I also don't see the logic in WAC's statement, exactly how does BA having the A380 bankrupt a USA legacy on a BA route to South Africa?

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 13):
From Sept 2013, with 2 planes, they will do 5x weekly LAX
From Oct 2013, with 3 planes, they will do LAX plus daily HKG.
From Feb 2014, with 5 planes, 3x weekly JNB is added
From Mar 2014, with 6 planes, JNB goes daily, LAX goes 2x daily in Apr.

When do we expect to see a BA 380 in MIA or is it just something on the usually erroneous Anet wish list?



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User currently offlineyanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7762 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
Quoting btfarrwm (Reply 12):Quoting WAC (Reply 5):
Ready for the next round of USA legacy bankruptcies?

Do you mean to say that ANY of the US Legacy carriers' financial futures depends on international routes that don't travel to/from the United States? That seems ridiculous. I would like to see a logical argument stating that JNB-LHR or any similar route could actually bring about bankruptcy in a legacy U.S. carrier that wasn't already bankrupt.
I also don't see the logic in WAC's statement, exactly how does BA having the A380 bankrupt a USA legacy on a BA route to South Africa?

I believe he is referring to US airlines not buying and placing A380s on trunk routes to LHR, FRA, CDG, etc and as a result going bankrupt, which is laughable.



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User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7636 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 13):
1 in Aug 2014
1 in Sep 2014
1 in Feb 2015

So we can expect A380 services to SIN by September 2014, followed by SFO around Feb 15. Most probable destinations that fit well to maintain a fair level of aircraft utilisation. Will be interesting to see how they decide to use the final three deliveries.


25 wingman : DL just turned $680M to their bottom line and UA $520M...in Q2. Both carriers are quickly heading back to CH. 11 without 380s, to be joined shortly b
26 airbazar : Which is why the A380 is so popular here and on other routes with such characteristics. It allows airlines to expand capacity without extra aircraft
27 Post contains links jonathanxxxx : Eh. It's a rumor yet it has some sort of confirmation. http://exmiami.org/index.php/british-airways-bringing-a380-to-miami/ They have been right befo
28 Post contains images Miami : NRT, PEK, PVG, and MIA are my next guesses for BA A380 service. Anyone agree? -Miami
29 APYu : I agree with MIA. Given that PEK is one of the easiest flights to get award seats on I dont think thats as full (of revenue pax) as some people might
30 Miami : I think BA will announce A380 services to MIA this year and start around April of next year. MIA is currently working on gate D1 and D2 in the North T
31 NeutronStar73 : Wait? What? A US legacy carrier will go bankrupt on the news that BA operates an A380 from LHR-JNB? I'd love to see THAT analysis..
32 planesarecool : With what aircraft exactly? There will be six A380s in the fleet by then, they will be fully utilised on HKG, LAX and JNB. SFO will come before MIA a
33 Post contains links and images EmiratesEK231 : I just got back on a trip to South Africa flying Emirates. I had to fly on four 77Ws (not complaining as the 77W is many favorite aircraft) but not a
34 gemuser : I would think it obvious. BA, LH, AF are all flying non-stop into JNB from their hubs. EK has to go via DXB. The problem is that it is more than 1500
35 Post contains images airbazar : It's quite simple: Look at the schedules. These long north-south routes do not benefit from multiple frequencies staggered throughout the day. Not on
36 American 767 : The A380 is a great airplane, no doubt about that. I understand how excited people are when they think about the idea of flying on it. But personally,
37 Post contains links Miami : I completely disagree. MIA has been notified that they will indeed get a BA A380. If you don't believe me, ask the Director and look at gate D1 and D
38 EmiratesEK231 : Thank you, both, for these detailed answers. I definitely would not have had the capability to look at the situation in that regard. The explanations
39 RyanairGuru : As said, DXB isn't a good connector to JNB/CPT from Europe or North America, so at the moment EK are at something of a a disadvantage Where EK are we
40 ZK-NBT : BA won't be able to fly to MIA with 6 aircraft when they are flying to LAX double daily plus HKG daily and JNB 6 weekly. Several of the LH routes onl
41 planesarecool : It's quite simple really. With six aircraft and the current routes and timings to JNB, HKG and LAX(x2), there is no room for a flight to MIA. You're
42 airbazar : I wish you were right but BOS can't handle the A380 for regular ops. Emergencies only. So we won't see an A380 at BOS any time soon. I'm not so sure.
43 gemuser : Why not, it handles the B744? What specific problems does BOS have? Gemuser
44 Miami : I was JUST giving a thought! We won't see it in April. Probably late 2014. And to pick SFO over MIA. Seriously.. SMH.
45 Post contains links Miami : "BA has not revealed other destinations beyond L.A. and Hong Kong as further A380s join the fleet, but Stonestreet says the carrier is mulling Tokyo,
46 Tristarsteve : The problem with the A380 is its 79metre wingspan. Here at ARN we have only one pier served gate that could serve an A380, and if it came the three A
47 planesarecool : LON-HKG is exactly the kind of route that the A380 was designed for, and the exact reason BA ordered them. If you think they're likely to drop HKG in
48 1400mph : Don't know if it will happen but it would be nice to see one at DFW what with the J.V and all.
49 airbazar : The B744 is a Group V airplane. The A380 and B748 are Group VI. BOS can only handle up to group V. It would require significant airfield/ramp/termina
50 Post contains images gemuser : Agree Not necessarily. The airport Group classifications are not like aircraft certifications, they are flexible, provided everything can be made to
51 SelseyBill : Whilst I appreciate that 'wikipedia' is not always completely reliable, PEK's page does state that it is expecting A380 flights from both BA and MH '
52 RyanairGuru : I'm sorry airbazar, but HKG is certainly not a place holder. In fact, I don't think any are. LAX at a push, but HKG is a very valuable and high yield
53 Miami : British Airways is reducing LHR-JNB operation from March 3rd, where overall operation being reduced from 17 to 14 weekly. Mainly because the A380
54 Post contains links airbazar : Interesting. Nevertheless I believe that there would have to be significant exceptions at BOS but look what I found. http://www.faa.gov/airports/engi
55 airportugal310 : Shaking My Head, which is quite honestly one of the most obnoxious new(?) internet shorthands out there...
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