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British Airways Announces JNB For The A380  
User currently offlineBoeing77w From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 203 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14552 times:

BA has loaded flights for Johannesburg as the next A380 destination. Flights start on February 12 2014 and are on sale from today.

Initially three flights a week, increasing to six flights per week from March 10.

Edit: Title

[Edited 2013-07-24 07:16:06]

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User currently offlineexFWAOONW From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14559 times:

Why does the title of this thread say "boeing"? Isn't it an airbus?  

[edit] you fixed it while I was posting.

[Edited 2013-07-24 07:18:32]

[Edited 2013-07-24 08:05:49]


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User currently offlineBoeing77w From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14491 times:

Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 1):
Why does the title of this thread say "boeing"? Isn't it an airbus?  

I had a 'moment'  


User currently offlineShudu From South Africa, joined Sep 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Great news for JNB, can't wait to see it. JNB-LHR is the busiest long haul international route out of JNB with 2x daily SAA and BA and 1x VS, can't help but think SAA is being left behind once again.

I suspect EK A380 will also resume services very soon, So JNB could have up to 4x daily A380 services mid 2014. Not bad for an airport located right at the bottom of the African continent.

Any possibilities of QF sending their A380 this way after the B747 retire?


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5148 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14088 times:

Quoting Shudu (Reply 3):
Any possibilities of QF sending their A380 this way after the B747 retire?

Either that or they stop the route given no other type in their fleet can do the route once the 747's leave.


User currently offlineWAC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13175 times:

Another route where a rival places A380 with competitors..AF and LH send A380s,
Shows the real advantage of A380 on trunk routes and the need for competitors to operate A380 on these trunk routes...
Ready for the next round of USA legacy bankruptcies?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8255 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13153 times:
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No surprise that BA is sending its new plane to the center of teh diamond business. J'burg has LH and AF already so it would be more surprising if BA didn't send the A380 down there. Lots of F & J demand on the LHR to J'burg route which will love the A380.

User currently offlineSelseyBill From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13053 times:

Quoting Boeing77w (Thread starter):
BA has loaded flights for Johannesburg as the next A380 destination. Flights start on February 12 2014 and are on sale from today.

Initially three flights a week, increasing to six flights per week from March 10.

Without having seen the actual timings, presumably once LHR-JNB goes 6 x 380 fpw, this will still involve a long layover in JNB requiring 2 aircraft ?


User currently offlineyakima From South Africa, joined Mar 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12055 times:

Does that mean BA will operate one A380 instead of 2 x B747?

User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 864 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11674 times:
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So, so far LAX, HKG, and now JNB with a BA A380 with a possibility to MIA as well.

No surprise. It's in a matter of time we see BA announce MIA and JFK as an A380 destination.

Congrats JNB!



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User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 697 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11615 times:

Quoting yakima (Reply 8):
Does that mean BA will operate one A380 instead of 2 x B747?

Good question. I was just on those flights last week, and they were all extremely fully booked, expensive tickets (even back where I was   It is one of those routes with a lot of demand. Two 747s leaving right next to each other in the timetable.

I'd give good odds for 1x747 1x380. If they had the metal, 2x380 would probably work from a business and demand perspective.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12284 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11540 times:
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Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 7):
Without having seen the actual timings, presumably once LHR-JNB goes 6 x 380 fpw, this will still involve a long layover in JNB requiring 2 aircraft ?

One would imagine so, yes. My understanding is that daytime returns (in either direction) have never been popular.

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 10):
I'd give good odds for 1x747 1x380. If they had the metal, 2x380 would probably work from a business and demand perspective.

But it's a terrible route from an aircraft utilisation perspective - double-daily A380s would actually require four aircraft for the route.



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User currently offlinebtfarrwm From United States of America, joined May 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11042 times:

Quoting WAC (Reply 5):
Ready for the next round of USA legacy bankruptcies?

Do you mean to say that ANY of the US Legacy carriers' financial futures depends on international routes that don't travel to/from the United States? That seems ridiculous. I would like to see a logical argument stating that JNB-LHR or any similar route could actually bring about bankruptcy in a legacy U.S. carrier that wasn't already bankrupt.


User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10938 times:

BA A380 delivery schedule:

(1 already in service)
1 in Sept 2013
1 in Oct 2013
1 in Jan 2014
1 in Feb 2014
1 in Mar 2014
1 in Aug 2014
1 in Sep 2014
1 in Feb 2015
1 in Jan 2016
1 in Apr 2016
1 in Jun 2016

From Sept 2013, with 2 planes, they will do 5x weekly LAX
From Oct 2013, with 3 planes, they will do LAX plus daily HKG.
From Feb 2014, with 5 planes, 3x weekly JNB is added
From Mar 2014, with 6 planes, JNB goes daily, LAX goes 2x daily in Apr.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9732 times:
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Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 10):
I'd give good odds for 1x747 1x380. If they had the metal, 2x380 would probably work from a business and demand perspective.

Yeah I've flown the HLR-JNB-LHR leg in Feb 2012 and it was full in J and F were full. I asked for upgrade in JNB transfer desk and the lady there told me that the flight is so full that she couldn't even give me premium economy. So she moved me to the back of the 744 and there was empty row for me.  

So it would make sense to me to have daily 2 x A380 to JNB.



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User currently offlineDexSwart From South Africa, joined Aug 2012, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9367 times:

Great news, but it was to be expected. Especially for flights from the UK.

Quoting Shudu (Reply 3):

They will have to, but for an aviation buff like myself going to school in Australia, it will be a sad day when those stunning 747s are retired and I have to fly A380's to JNB from SYD.

That being said, the 747s QF have retained still have around nine years of life in them, so I'll have to be sure to make the most of it!



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User currently offlineSAABaby From South Africa, joined Nov 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9184 times:

Great news!!

How many gates at JNB are able to handle A380's, at the same time?


User currently offlineDexSwart From South Africa, joined Aug 2012, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9010 times:

Quoting SAABaby (Reply 16):
How many gates at JNB are able to handle A380's, at the same time?

I'm pretty sure most of the Northern side of the new pier is A380 capable. QF have flights leaving in the evenings, and I usually see LH and AF A380s next to several other A380 capable gates. There are also four or five A380 capable stands just to the north, facing the Protea Hotel.

Can't confirm that, though.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8960 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 11):
But it's a terrible route from an aircraft utilisation perspective

Profit is a much more important metric than utilisation. This is one of the routes where keeping the plane on the ground waiting for high paying customers generates more profit than a fast turnaround.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12284 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8839 times:
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Quoting teme82 (Reply 14):
So it would make sense to me to have daily 2 x A380 to JNB.

Except BA would have to devote 1/3 of their entire A380 fleet to that one route. Alternatively, they might order more.   



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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8713 times:

Quoting yakima (Reply 8):
Does that mean BA will operate one A380 instead of 2 x B747?

No - there will be one A380 and one B744.

airlineroute.net also reports that there will be 3 772s per week giving 17 flights per week by BA even after the A380 is introduced - however when trying a dummy booking for next April on ba.com it only gives me 2 flight options per day - so maybe the 3 772 flights are being dropped.


User currently onlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8059 times:

BA 56/57 are awesome flights.

So happy to see it on the A380 now!



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

Quoting btfarrwm (Reply 12):
Quoting WAC (Reply 5):
Ready for the next round of USA legacy bankruptcies?

Do you mean to say that ANY of the US Legacy carriers' financial futures depends on international routes that don't travel to/from the United States? That seems ridiculous. I would like to see a logical argument stating that JNB-LHR or any similar route could actually bring about bankruptcy in a legacy U.S. carrier that wasn't already bankrupt.

I also don't see the logic in WAC's statement, exactly how does BA having the A380 bankrupt a USA legacy on a BA route to South Africa?

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 13):
From Sept 2013, with 2 planes, they will do 5x weekly LAX
From Oct 2013, with 3 planes, they will do LAX plus daily HKG.
From Feb 2014, with 5 planes, 3x weekly JNB is added
From Mar 2014, with 6 planes, JNB goes daily, LAX goes 2x daily in Apr.

When do we expect to see a BA 380 in MIA or is it just something on the usually erroneous Anet wish list?



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User currently offlineyanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
Quoting btfarrwm (Reply 12):Quoting WAC (Reply 5):
Ready for the next round of USA legacy bankruptcies?

Do you mean to say that ANY of the US Legacy carriers' financial futures depends on international routes that don't travel to/from the United States? That seems ridiculous. I would like to see a logical argument stating that JNB-LHR or any similar route could actually bring about bankruptcy in a legacy U.S. carrier that wasn't already bankrupt.
I also don't see the logic in WAC's statement, exactly how does BA having the A380 bankrupt a USA legacy on a BA route to South Africa?

I believe he is referring to US airlines not buying and placing A380s on trunk routes to LHR, FRA, CDG, etc and as a result going bankrupt, which is laughable.



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User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7361 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 13):
1 in Aug 2014
1 in Sep 2014
1 in Feb 2015

So we can expect A380 services to SIN by September 2014, followed by SFO around Feb 15. Most probable destinations that fit well to maintain a fair level of aircraft utilisation. Will be interesting to see how they decide to use the final three deliveries.


User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7681 times:

Quoting WAC (Reply 5):
Another route where a rival places A380 with competitors..AF and LH send A380s,
Shows the real advantage of A380 on trunk routes and the need for competitors to operate A380 on these trunk routes...
Ready for the next round of USA legacy bankruptcies?

DL just turned $680M to their bottom line and UA $520M...in Q2. Both carriers are quickly heading back to CH. 11 without 380s, to be joined shortly by SWA.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 26, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7632 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 11):
But it's a terrible route from an aircraft utilisation perspective - double-daily A380s would actually require four aircraft for the route.

Which is why the A380 is so popular here and on other routes with such characteristics. It allows airlines to expand capacity without extra aircraft sitting idle for long hours.


User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7849 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 22):
When do we expect to see a BA 380 in MIA or is it just something on the usually erroneous Anet wish list?

Eh.
It's a rumor yet it has some sort of confirmation.
http://exmiami.org/index.php/british-airways-bringing-a380-to-miami/
They have been right before about LH sending the 748 but lets see if this comes to fruition. Definitely seems like a logical A380 destination though.


User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 864 posts, RR: 42
Reply 28, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7841 times:
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NRT, PEK, PVG, and MIA are my next guesses for BA A380 service.

Anyone agree?

-Miami   



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

I agree with MIA.

Given that PEK is one of the easiest flights to get award seats on I dont think thats as full (of revenue pax) as some people might think.

PVG? Hmm, im unsure. Some recent seasons it hasnt even been daily and until recently (a few seasons ago) a couple of days a week it was only operated by a 3 class aircraft. VS also downgraded this in recent seasons to an A343 which also makes me think it isnt as rammed as it should be.

NRT - yeah why not. - with HND going to a 787 to provide some balance? (until the HND gets better flight times then who knows BA might pull out of NRT altogether in a similar move to Virgin.)



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User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 864 posts, RR: 42
Reply 30, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6961 times:
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I think BA will announce A380 services to MIA this year and start around April of next year.

MIA is currently working on gate D1 and D2 in the North Terminal to modify the gates for the A380

BA did park at the North Terminal which back then was Terminal A. But has now moved to gate E8.

Which is fairly strange that they will not upgrade E8 for the A380.



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User currently offlineNeutronStar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6944 times:

Quoting WAC (Reply 5):
Another route where a rival places A380 with competitors..AF and LH send A380s,
Shows the real advantage of A380 on trunk routes and the need for competitors to operate A380 on these trunk routes...
Ready for the next round of USA legacy bankruptcies?

Wait? What? A US legacy carrier will go bankrupt on the news that BA operates an A380 from LHR-JNB? I'd love to see THAT analysis..


User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 32, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6630 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 30):
I think BA will announce A380 services to MIA this year and start around April of next year.

With what aircraft exactly? There will be six A380s in the fleet by then, they will be fully utilised on HKG, LAX and JNB.

SFO will come before MIA anyway.


User currently offlineEmiratesEK231 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6668 times:

I just got back on a trip to South Africa flying Emirates. I had to fly on four 77Ws (not complaining as the 77W is many favorite aircraft) but not a single A380. I still cannot find an answer as to why AF, LH, and now BA will be flying the A380 to JNB, yet Emirates... the largest A380 carrier in the world, who manages to fly the A380 to some of the strangest locations, does not fly their A380 to JNB. And what's even more stupid is that they used to. Does anyone have an answers to this? Excuse my ignorance. Sad having to watch these two A380s sitting on the tarmac, knowing I wouldn't fly on one...

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/Khemistry84/A380satJNB_zps484facdb.jpg

[Edited 2013-07-26 15:21:29]


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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5602 posts, RR: 6
Reply 34, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6595 times:

Quoting EmiratesEK231 (Reply 33):
I still cannot find an answer as to why AF, LH, and now BA will be flying the A380 to JNB, yet Emirates... the largest A380 carrier in the world, who manages to fly the A380 to some of the strangest locations, does not fly their A380 to JNB

I would think it obvious.
BA, LH, AF are all flying non-stop into JNB from their hubs. EK has to go via DXB. The problem is that it is more than 1500 nm longer (about 3 hours flying time) and involves a connection (say 2 hours) so it takes at least 5 hours longer.
That is not going to attract pax in the premium classes and will be unattractive to most Y pax, so EK will only attract pax, from those countries at very cheap fares and not necessarily a lot of those. So the B777 makes more sense for EK, on that route, than the A380.
While many on here overly denigrate the A380, it is not necessarily the aircraft for all routes, for all airlines and DXB-JNB on EK is evidently one its not suitable for, at the current time.

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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 35, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

Quoting EmiratesEK231 (Reply 33):
I still cannot find an answer as to why AF, LH, and now BA will be flying the A380 to JNB, yet Emirates... the largest A380 carrier in the world, who manages to fly the A380 to some of the strangest locations, does not fly their A380 to JNB.

It's quite simple: Look at the schedules. These long north-south routes do not benefit from multiple frequencies staggered throughout the day. Not only do passengers not want to fly during the day (most prefere red eyes), but FRA/LHR/CDG all have night time curfews so as a consequence it's more cost effective for these airlines to increase capacity per aircraft rather than add additional frequencies operated at about the same time. Both BA flights leave within 1.5 hours of eachother. Both SA flights to LHR leave within 15 minutes of eachother.
DXB by contrast has no curfew, it's a much shorter route so day time flights are acceptable, and Emirates has 3 or 4 main connecting banks. So for EK operating multiple frequencies makes more economic sense. they also serve a greater range of destinations from JNB which gives them a greater variety of customer preferences, as opposed to the European carriers whose passengers are predominantly to and from Europe and therefore prefere redeye flights.

For these reasons I always fully expected SA to order A380s. Due to JNB's relative remoteness it makes absolutely no economic sense for them to add frequencies to European and other long haul destinations in order to cope with demand growth. But that's an entirely different topic  


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3730 posts, RR: 12
Reply 36, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6350 times:
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The A380 is a great airplane, no doubt about that. I understand how excited people are when they think about the idea of flying on it.

But personally, if I fly BA to JNB and I have for the same fare the choice between the 744 and the A380, I choose the 744 because it may be the last time in my life I get to fly on a 747. The A380 will be around many more years. Where are we now in time? It's the end of the 747 (maybe not at LH or KE, but certainly at other major 744 operators) and the beginning of the A380. I have nothing against the A380 but I personally hope BA will continue to fly the 744 to JNB and CPT for a while.

Will CPT see the A380? Somebody who lives in South Africa might be able to answer this.

Quoting EmiratesEK231 (Reply 33):
Sad having to watch these two A380s sitting on the tarmac, knowing I wouldn't fly on one...

How do you know? It's not because you don't fly on it on this trip you will never fly on one. Emirates is getting many more A380s, they still have on order about twice as many as they currently have in service now. This means that JNB will probably see the EK A380 in the future. Don't be sad if you don't get to fly on the A380, you'll have plenty of time in the future to fly on one.

You want to know something? What you are feeling for the A380 looking at them on the tarmac, I used to feel the same for the 727 back in the 90s when the US majors were phasing them out. I would feel very frustrated watching them close and not getting to fly on those knowing they would disappear in a not too distant future. What was my personal feeling for the 727 when I was deprived from flying on it? Imagine you are looking at a delicious dish or desert on a table and you know you cannot eat any of it because you are on a diet.

Ben Soriano



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User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 864 posts, RR: 42
Reply 37, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6322 times:
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Quoting planesarecool (Reply 32):
SFO will come before MIA anyway.

I completely disagree. MIA has been notified that they will indeed get a BA A380.

If you don't believe me, ask the Director and look at gate D1 and D2. They are currently working on those 2 gates for the A380. And that's in the North Terminal (Terminal D) which is all for AA. Which AA is a OneWorld member. And who else is a OneWorld member that currently operates an A380 and serves MIA? BA will be moving back to the North Terminal once A380 services as begun which will be in 2014. IMO

Here is one on the links: http://exmiami.org/index.php/british-airways-bringing-a380-to-miami/

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 32):
With what aircraft exactly? There will be six A380s in the fleet by then, they will be fully utilised on HKG, LAX and JNB.

Just as an Example: Lufthansa as 8 748 in fleet. How many routes does the LH 748 serve? 6.



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User currently offlineEmiratesEK231 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6256 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 34):
Quoting airbazar (Reply 35):

Thank you, both, for these detailed answers. I definitely would not have had the capability to look at the situation in that regard. The explanations make sense. I guess that's why the European carriers are flying A380s to Johannesburg whereas EK is flying 77Ws ... and the European carriers are also flying 744s to CPT vs. EK flying the A340-300.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5167 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

Quoting EmiratesEK231 (Reply 38):
Thank you, both, for these detailed answers. I definitely would not have had the capability to look at the situation in that regard. The explanations make sense. I guess that's why the European carriers are flying A380s to Johannesburg whereas EK is flying 77Ws ... and the European carriers are also flying 744s to CPT vs. EK flying the A340-300.

As said, DXB isn't a good connector to JNB/CPT from Europe or North America, so at the moment EK are at something of a a disadvantage

Where EK are well placed, however, is to serve the BOOMING Africa-Asia market. IMHO it won't be long before they're back with the A380. After all, at the moment the A380 fleet is pretty stretched.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5288 posts, RR: 11
Reply 40, posted (11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6120 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 37):
Quoting planesarecool (Reply 32):
With what aircraft exactly? There will be six A380s in the fleet by then, they will be fully utilised on HKG, LAX and JNB.

Just as an Example: Lufthansa as 8 748 in fleet. How many routes does the LH 748 serve? 6.

BA won't be able to fly to MIA with 6 aircraft when they are flying to LAX double daily plus HKG daily and JNB 6 weekly.
Several of the LH routes only take a single frame to run daily, All of BAs current 3 take more than 1 aircraft.

Quoting Miami (Reply 28):
NRT, PEK, PVG, and MIA are my next guesses for BA A380 service.

Anyone agree?

I do agree that MIA will see them, NRT, PVG and PEK I doubt within the current 12 orders, I think MIA, BOS, SFO and the terminating SIN flight plus GRU if the airport is ready. Not all of these will be doable with 12 aircraft though.


User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 41, posted (11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 37):
Just as an Example: Lufthansa as 8 748 in fleet. How many routes does the LH 748 serve? 6.

It's quite simple really. With six aircraft and the current routes and timings to JNB, HKG and LAX(x2), there is no room for a flight to MIA. You're welcome to continue believing otherwise. There won't be a BA A380 service to MIA in April 2014. End of story.

I agree that MIA may get an A380 service one day. However I'd put good money on SIN (BA11/12) being the next A380 route. This will utilise deliveries 7+8 in Aug/Sept 2014. SFO will be fitted in once delivery 9 arrives in 2015. The only thing that is likely to prevent the next A380 going to SIN is if a 'tag-on' is added to the BA11/12 service.

BA are going to get as many 744s off the longer routes as quickly as possible. This has already been seen with HKG (A380, 77W), LAX (2x A388), NRT (77W), SIN/SYD (77W), JNB (A380, 744), BKK (772). SIN, SFO and GRU are the obvious choices for future A380 destinations, anything else will depend on what fits in to a relatively restricted 12-aircraft schedule.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 42, posted (11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 40):
I do agree that MIA will see them, NRT, PVG and PEK I doubt within the current 12 orders, I think MIA, BOS, SFO and the terminating SIN flight plus GRU if the airport is ready. Not all of these will be doable with 12 aircraft though.

I wish you were right but BOS can't handle the A380 for regular ops. Emergencies only. So we won't see an A380 at BOS any time soon.

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 41):
It's quite simple really. With six aircraft and the current routes and timings to JNB, HKG and LAX(x2), there is no room for a flight to MIA. You're welcome to continue believing otherwise. There won't be a BA A380 service to MIA in April 2014. End of story.

I'm not so sure. For one, you're assuming that BA prefers the A380 at HKG instead of MIA. The reason it is at HKG could very well be because MIA is not ready yet. In addition, are all of these A380 destinations going to be year round and daily, or just seasonal and/or less than daily? LH can cover as many destinations as they do because some routes are seasonal. For examples one A380 switches between SFO and MIA according to the season. I could see BA do the same with one of the LAX frequencies in the Winter months.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5602 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 42):
I wish you were right but BOS can't handle the A380 for regular ops.

Why not, it handles the B744?
What specific problems does BOS have?

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Reply 44, posted (11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5466 times:
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Quoting planesarecool (Reply 41):

I was JUST giving a thought! We won't see it in April. Probably late 2014.

And to pick SFO over MIA. Seriously.. SMH.



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User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 864 posts, RR: 42
Reply 45, posted (11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5420 times:
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"BA has not revealed other destinations beyond L.A. and Hong Kong as further A380s join the fleet, but Stonestreet says the carrier is mulling Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai, Johannesburg and Miami."

- See more at: http://www.aircargoworld.com/Air-Car...wal/0514417#sthash.jxLFHkOa.dpuf"



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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3971 posts, RR: 34
Reply 46, posted (11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 43):
Why not, it handles the B744?What specific problems does BOS have?

The problem with the A380 is its 79metre wingspan.

Here at ARN we have only one pier served gate that could serve an A380, and if it came the three A320 sized gates across the taxiway would have to be closed because of the wingspan, to allow the aircraft to taxy in and out. It is easy to make the A380 fit a gate, you just restrict the gates either side, and the aircraft is not very long, but you need taxiways that are wide enough for the wingspan.


User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 47, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 42):
I'm not so sure. For one, you're assuming that BA prefers the A380 at HKG instead of MIA. The reason it is at HKG could very well be because MIA is not ready yet.

LON-HKG is exactly the kind of route that the A380 was designed for, and the exact reason BA ordered them. If you think they're likely to drop HKG in favour of MIA, then you need to get your head out of the clouds.

Quoting Miami (Reply 44):
We won't see it in April. Probably late 2014.
Quoting Miami (Reply 30):

I think BA will announce A380 services to MIA this year and start around April of next year.

So will it be in April or will it not be in April?

Try potentially early 2016.


User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4838 times:

Don't know if it will happen but it would be nice to see one at DFW what with the J.V and all.

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 49, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4469 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 43):
Why not, it handles the B744?
What specific problems does BOS have?

The B744 is a Group V airplane. The A380 and B748 are Group VI. BOS can only handle up to group V. It would require significant airfield/ramp/terminal improvements to make it a group VI airport. Same reason why EWR cannot handle an A380/B748.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5602 posts, RR: 6
Reply 50, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 49):

The B744 is a Group V airplane. The A380 and B748 are Group VI.

Agree

Quoting airbazar (Reply 49):
BOS can only handle up to group V.

Not necessarily. The airport Group classifications are not like aircraft certifications, they are flexible, provided everything can be made to work safely.
SYD is a Group V airport, 45m runways yet it is home base for 12 A380 aircraft and sees more A380 aircraft than most airports except DXB & LHR.

Just because an airport is not classified as Group VI DOES NOT mean it is not A380 ready, each airport has to assessed individually. Do you have specific BOS information as to why it can't take the A380?

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 46):

Here at ARN we have only one pier served gate that could serve an A380, and if it came the three A320 sized gates across the taxiway would have to be closed because of the wingspan, to allow the aircraft to taxy in and out. It is easy to make the A380 fit a gate, you just restrict the gates either side, and the aircraft is not very long, but you need taxiways that are wide enough for the wingspan.

SO? Does not mean you can't accept an A380.
I don't know ARN so I can only make suggestions of what MIGHT be done.
1) Your airport operator may set specific times it will accept the A380, that is times when it does not need those three gates
2) Use bus boarding. Probably cheaper than modifying terminals
3) It may have to specify specific taxiway routes, both SYD & LAX do this, I believe

Most airports that can accept a B744 CAN accept an A380, unless there is an absolute weight limited structure involved. It may take modifying procedures, minor works like taxiway fillets etc, etc, etc But it is always done (AFAIK) when an airline requires it, even ATL!  

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User currently offlineSelseyBill From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Quoting APYu (Reply 29):
Given that PEK is one of the easiest flights to get award seats on I dont think thats as full (of revenue pax) as some people might think

Whilst I appreciate that 'wikipedia' is not always completely reliable, PEK's page does state that it is expecting A380 flights from both BA and MH 'in the near future'..........


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5167 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 42):
you're assuming that BA prefers the A380 at HKG instead of MIA. The reason it is at HKG could very well be because MIA is not ready yet

I'm sorry airbazar, but HKG is certainly not a place holder. In fact, I don't think any are. LAX at a push, but HKG is a very valuable and high yield market ex-LHR.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 42):
are all of these A380 destinations going to be year round and daily, or just seasonal and/or less than daily?

For those three, I'd say with almost 100% certainly that all will be year round daily. If BA order a top up [which is almost inevitable IMHO] then they'd also be first in line for double daily.

Quoting Miami (Reply 44):
pick SFO over MIA. Seriously

I'm sorry, but I'm also in the group that thinks that SFO will come first. I have no doubt that MIA will happen eventually, I just don't think that it will be in 2014

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 48):
it would be nice to see one at DFW what with the J.V and all

I agree

DFW will be an interesting three-way race between BA, EK and QF to see who lands the A380 there first.

Quoting Miami (Reply 44):
SMH.

Legitimate question here, what does SMH stand for?

(other than Sydney Morning Herald!)



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User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 864 posts, RR: 42
Reply 53, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3353 times:
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British Airways is reducing LHR-JNB operation from March 3rd, where overall operation being reduced from 17 to 14 weekly. Mainly because the A380


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 54, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 50):

Not necessarily. The airport Group classifications are not like aircraft certifications, they are flexible, provided everything can be made to work safely.
SYD is a Group V airport, 45m runways yet it is home base for 12 A380 aircraft and sees more A380 aircraft than most airports except DXB & LHR.

Interesting. Nevertheless I believe that there would have to be significant exceptions at BOS but look what I found.
http://www.faa.gov/airports/engineer...ay_taxiway_separation_taxiwayB.pdf

http://www.faa.gov/airports/engineering/nla_mos/


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3564 posts, RR: 2
Reply 55, posted (11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 52):
Legitimate question here, what does SMH stand for?

Shaking My Head, which is quite honestly one of the most obnoxious new(?) internet shorthands out there...



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