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BA A380 Just Landed At Manston,Kent.  
User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3360 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10665 times:

I was wondering why BA have a A380 going into Manston?

A380


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[Edited 2013-07-24 09:18:48]


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User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10610 times:

It is based there for training.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11701 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10501 times:

BA realised how ugly it was when it landed at LHR, so have now banished it to deepest darkest Kent.   


But seriously, Manston has a large and underutilised runway. A deal will have been done for a package of landing/parking fees which provides the airport with some much needed revenue and BA a few weeks of cheap training.


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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10468 times:

Thanks, update knowledge bank.  


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10425 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
I was wondering why BA have a A380 going into Manston?

Multiple bumps stops and go rounds short hops to Vatry (East of Paris also with a very long and little used runway) and around again.

Training and time familiarisation.

G-XLEA is currently out stationed at Manston for these ops because its got a long runway is quiet and yet commutable by road from home base (Might even by nearer from home for some than LHR itself !)
Ground crew and handlers are also out stationed.

You really think this sort of build up could take place at LHR slots and all ?


User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10406 times:

Unsure, but two possibilities spring to mind:

1) route proving for a new MSE-LHR triple-daily A380 service to ensure Little Red doesn't jump in on the route ahead of BA

or

2) BA's given up on the 380 already and it's there to await a new owner and/or parting out. I've heard the FA unions don't like the idea of crew possibly needing to walk up and down stairs occasionally, and Walsh refused to have the 380s modified with pontoons to land at Boris Johnson's Thames Estuary airport.

[Edited 2013-07-24 10:06:08]

User currently offlinehotplane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
I was wondering why BA have a A380 going into Manston?

Have you been on the moon for last few weeks?!


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10192 times:

Quoting IADCA (Reply 5):

Shame on you.   



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10096 times:

Quoting hotplane (Reply 6):

No, family issues have taken front and centre which has left me a little out of the loop.
Thanks.   



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3976 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9136 times:

How long will it be at Manston? Might pop down to see it... I love the fact that you can drive across the taxiway and stand close to the jets there!

User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9062 times:

Quoting IADCA (Reply 5):
I've heard the FA unions don't like the idea of crew possibly needing to walk up and down stairs occasionally

BA does operate (by some margin) the largest fleet of double decker aircraft of any airline in the world.

?


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8908 times:

Actually, Manston is quite an interesting Airport on it's own account.

Not exactly LHR, but some interesting aircraft, all the same.


User currently offlineairproxx From France, joined Jun 2008, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8406 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
BA realised how ugly it was when it landed at LHR, so have now banished it to deepest darkest Kent.

Brilliant idea I must say!  



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User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7564 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 10):
BA does operate (by some margin) the largest fleet of double decker aircraft of any airline in the world.

?

I was hoping that the reference to pontoons on an A380 in the next clause might make it blindingly obvious that the entire post was a joke, as might the reference to triple daily MSE-LHR service, as might the theory that BA had given up on the 380 and it was going to MSE for a new owner or parting out, as might the bit you quoted. So, in other words, the entire post. The OP's question had already been answered so I thought it okay to take a little poke at the astoundingly inaccurate and random answers that these threads often generate.

[Edited 2013-07-25 08:17:04]

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

Quoting IADCA (Reply 13):
I was hoping that the reference to pontoons on an A380 in the next sentence might make it blindingly obvious that the entire post was a joke, as might the reference to triple daily MSE-LHR service, as might the theory that BA had given up on the 380 and it was going to MSE for a new owner or parting out, as might the sentence you quoted. So, in other words, the entire post. The OP's question had already been answered so I thought it okay to take a little poke at the astoundingly inaccurate and random answers that these threads often generate.

If it makes you feel better, I liked your joke rather a lot.  


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6876 times:
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Quoting IADCA (Reply 5):
route proving for a new MSE-LHR triple-daily A380 service to ensure Little Red doesn't jump in on the route ahead of BA

Sounds like a very attractive commuter route! Saves you going thru traffic in London itself!  


User currently offlineJohnwaynebobbet From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 10):
Quoting IADCA (Reply 5):
I've heard the FA unions don't like the idea of crew possibly needing to walk up and down stairs occasionally

BA does operate (by some margin) the largest fleet of double decker aircraft of any airline in the world.

?

By some margin? No they don't, EK will be overtaking shortly if they have not already.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5685 times:

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 16):
By some margin? No they don't, EK will be overtaking shortly if they have not already.

Emirates have around 36 388s in service at the moment

BA still have 52 744s in service plus this 1 388 !

Emirates won't pass BA for another few years !


User currently offlineJohnwaynebobbet From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

BA will be down to just 37 747's soon. And with the rate of A380 arrivals EK will soon be past.

User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 18):
BA will be down to just 37 747's soon. And with the rate of A380 arrivals EK will soon be past.

BA does operate by some margin the largest fleet of double decker aircraft of any airline in the world.

I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept it. The future hasn't actually happened yet has it.

With the arrival of the first BA A380 the double decker fleet just got bigger.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 11):
Actually, Manston is quite an interesting Airport on it's own account.

'Too right,' as they say.   It was actually a 'key' fighter airfield in the Battle of Britain in 1940 - the Luftwaffe, with airfields in Northern France, could take off and be over Manston, dropping bombs, in not much more than 20 minutes - I know because my WW1-veteran father was an Army 'medic,' helping to treat the wounded from Dunkirk; but also a makeshift anti-aircraft gunner/loader. And was stationed there at the time.......

Apparently the Hurricanes/Spitfires - warned by top-secret radio intercepts - had to get off the ground in about five minutes flat, climb like hell, and hopefully get higher than the Luftwaffe guys before they arrived.......

VERY different times............



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User currently offlineJohnwaynebobbet From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 19):


BA does operate by some margin the largest fleet of double decker aircraft of any airline in the world.

I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept it. The future hasn't actually happened yet has it.

With the arrival of the first BA A380 the double decker fleet just got bigger.

17 airframes is not in my book "quite some margin" that's what I take exception with. Quite some margin would be far more than 17.


User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 21):
17 airframes is not in my book "quite some margin" that's what I take exception with. Quite some margin would be far more than 17.

A third more is quite some margin.


User currently offlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4648 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 20):
Apparently the Hurricanes/Spitfires - warned by top-secret radio intercepts - had to get off the ground in about five minutes flat, climb like hell, and hopefully get higher than the Luftwaffe guys before they arrived......

If you haven't already got a copy of 'First Light' by Geoffrey Wellum you should get one .. it's a very interesting Spitfire read, with quite a bit based at Manston.


User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 22):
A third more is quite some margin.

The numbers have already been posted and they're approximately accurate, so everyone can judge for themselves whether the margin is substantial.

I think it's pretty funny that you've taken my parody of these threads and turned it into exactly the type of pedantic, unnecessarily emotional discussion of off-topic details that I was parodying in the first place. Very well done.

But if we want to get even more pedantic about it, the post you misinterpreted to quote as a serious piece refers to the FAs not wanting to walk up and down stairs. A380s have 2 staircases, while 747s have only one. Therefore, EK has more staircases in its fleet, yes? See how this game works?  duck 

[Edited 2013-07-26 08:20:48]

User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Quoting IADCA (Reply 24):
I think it's pretty funny that you've taken my parody of these threads and turned it into exactly the type of pedantic, unnecessarily emotional discussion of off-topic details that I was parodying in the first place. Very well done.

The point is that given that BA operates a fleet of 52 747-400's I found your joke rather a witless one considering it was centred around 'stairs'.


User currently offlineIADCA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1373 posts, RR: 8
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 25):
The point is that given that BA operates a fleet of 52 747-400's I found your joke rather a witless one considering it was centred around 'stairs'.

It seems you missed the point of that part of the post, then. The operation of such a large 747 fleet is exactly why the reference to FAs not wanting to walk up and down stairs is as ridiculous as an A380 on pontoons. Everyone else seemed to understand that.


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 4):
Training and time familiarisation.

It's funny how BA spends vast sums of money on petrol for the A380 training. You normally hear the test pilots say after flying the aircraft that it performs exactly like it does in the simulator.

Did BA do such training flights for the 787?


User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

Yes it will the B787 go down to Manston once the A380 moves back to LHR.

User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 33
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 27):
Did BA do such training flights for the 787?

Not yet, they start next week at Manston.
BA needs to let the pilots fly the aircraft. CAA rules say they must do 3 landings in the aircraft before getting their licence.


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 29):
CAA rules say they must do 3 landings in the aircraft before getting their licence.

only 3 to get a licence, Hmmmm.



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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Quoting IADCA (Reply 5):

      that is horrible! Maybe the should do a 380 commuter circuit MSE-LHR-LGW-That proposed 4 runway one in Kent (don't bother building it first) and back? Or if you put pontoons on the thing you could try Flying Boat service to the MAT at LGA again?

Quoting 1400mph (Reply 10):
BA does operate (by some margin) the largest fleet of double decker aircraft of any airline in the world.

IIRC, the 747 has a crew elevator somewhere, does it not?

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 29):
Not yet, they start next week at Manston.

I wonder if there will be bad blood between the new A and B pilots then...

Does anyone know if BA or VS (or any other British carrier) has any plans/proposals to serve MSE?


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 31):
Does anyone know if BA or VS (or any other British carrier) has any plans/proposals to serve MSE?

Only possibility would be if GSS were to move the BA cargo flights from Stansted.


User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 32):
Only possibility would be if GSS were to move the BA cargo flights from Stansted.

We won't see that anytime soon.


User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3872 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 15):

It's a shame they did not receive the A380 when I went to the UK in February, spent a few days in Canterbury on a business trip



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User currently offline1400mph From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2013, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting IADCA (Reply 26):
It seems you missed the point of that part of the post, then. The operation of such a large 747 fleet is exactly why the reference to FAs not wanting to walk up and down stairs is as ridiculous as an A380 on pontoons. Everyone else seemed to understand that.

Forgive me in that case. You caught me off guard.

I was not expecting a banal and humourless topic like an airline positioning an aircraft to trigger or require such a cryptic retort.

There I was thinking you were just trying to be cute.


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3794 times:

G-XLEA will be paying a visit to Cardiff on Monday according to the BA twitter feed. Unsure of times though


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User currently offlinetrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 36):
G-XLEA will be paying a visit to Cardiff on Monday according to the BA twitter feed. Unsure of times though

She's due to arrive at STN at 3pm on monday for handling trials according to my contacts at the airport. Not sure for how long though.

D.


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Quoting trent900 (Reply 37):
She's due to arrive at STN at 3pm on monday for handling trials according to my contacts at the airport. Not sure for how long though.

It's due to be at CWL from 0845 TO 1400. And will be visiting Shannon on Tuesday apparently



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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 33
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

LEA will be at Cardiff on the 29th from 0800 to 1300 Zulu
It will then fly to Stansted to arrive at 1400 Zulu
It will overnight at Stansted and leave at 0735 on the 30 Jul and arrive Shannon at 0855 Zulu
It will leave Shannon at 1135 and fly to Gatwick.
It will arrive LGW at 1250 and leave at 1900 to fly home to LHR
All times UTC.


User currently offlinegazzadon From United Kingdom, joined May 2013, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 39):

How do you know this precise infomation..

I hope this is true about going to STN as I live in Harlow which is in the flight path for approach.

Regards

[Edited 2013-07-27 11:36:12]

User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Quoting gazzadon (Reply 40):
How do you know this precise infomation..

He works for BA?  



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