Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Is Filming Co-passengers Legal?  
User currently offlinetioloko100 From Australia, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

Some hours ago, a passenger posted a video of another passenger that was sleeping on board (which is normal and common) on YouTube.
There are thousands of people that sleep on planes daily and i don't think anyone should use this to make 15 minute of fame and everyone deserves his or her own privacy even while on board.

http://au.totaltravel.yahoo.com/news...-films-awkward-encounter-on-plane/

[Edited 2013-07-24 19:10:50]

43 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6194 times:

Not sure how it is elsewhere, but generally speaking, in America, if you're in a place where others can see you, it's perfectly legal for those others to take photos or video of you. It's only an invasion of privacy when your seclusion is intruded upon, which basically means something in which you'd have a reasonable expectation of privacy despite your being in public (like if someone took an up-skirt photo of a woman... or a guy in a kilt).   


Restoring Penn State's transportation heritage...
User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

A plane cabin is a public place and there is no expectation of privacy. If you want privacy while travelling spring for a private jet or one of those F-class suites.

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3253 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
A plane cabin is a public place and there is no expectation of privacy. If you want privacy while travelling spring for a private jet or one of those F-class suites

I can remember a time when the captain came on the P.A. system, and announced that O.J. Simpson was flying with us on a UA D10 IAD-LAX. This was before the White Bronco, when he was still a beloved sports hero. Talk about lack of privacy.



AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

Quoting tioloko100 (Thread starter):
Some hours ago, a passenger posted a video of another passenger that was sleeping on board (which is normal and common) on YouTube.
There are thousands of people that sleep on planes daily and i don't think anyone should use this to make 15 minute of fame and everyone deserves his or her own privacy even while on board.

Passengers sleeping on board is common, yes. Passengers sleeping on other passengers while on board? Not so common.

If he'd filmed someone just sleeping normally in their seat, then I might say he'd crossed a line. But she was sleeping half out of her seat, and that changes things.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

Quoting tioloko100 (Thread starter):
There are thousands of people that sleep on planes daily and i don't think anyone should use this to make 15 minute of fame and everyone deserves his or her own privacy even while on board.

No offense, but did you even watch the video? Would you rather he have shoved her, and caused a scene?

To answer your question, it is not illegal to record somebody where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. As the main cabin in a passenger airplane is a public area, there is no such thing as "privacy".



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

Filming other passengers and making this film public on youtube without ntheir consent may not be punishable in some countries but it is disrespectful and insulting.

Simply bad manners. If someone would film me while sleeping and load this on youtube he would get mail from my lawyer. At least the face would have tro be pixeld.

OJ Simpson was and still is a person of public interest, all VIPs and celebreties are, most of them are attention whores anyway. I am not a person of public interest and want my privacy respected. It is my right.



E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5431 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
but it is disrespectful and insulting.

What's disrespectful and insulting is falling asleep on a complete stranger.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
If someone would film me while sleeping and load this on youtube he would get mail from my lawyer.

And I would throw it in the trash where it belongs. I might even file a complaint with whatever state bar he's licensed with, assuming it's a US lawyer.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
I am not a person of public interest and want my privacy respected. It is my right.

There is no right or expectation of privacy in public. If you want to be a private person, don't ever leave your house.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 5):
To answer your question, it is not illegal to record somebody where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. As the main cabin in a passenger airplane is a public area, there is no such thing as "privacy".

According to German law this clip would be clearly illegal without consent of the subject being filmed, so the answer to the question in the OP would depend on the carrier and applicable law.

Regardless of the legal situation it can be very rude to publish pictures and movie sequences of individuals without their consent.

In addition to the law, carriers can set rules regarding this matter in their contract of carriage. As far as I remember from some previous threads I think at least some carriers do so.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 7):
There is no right or expectation of privacy in public. If you want to be a private person, don't ever leave your house.

[
Unflug gave you the answer already.

Quoting Unflug (Reply 8):
Regardless of the legal situation it can be very rude to publish pictures and movie sequences of individuals without their consent.

Even in countries where the individual rights are not protected, which may be the case in the US., it is rude and reckless to film strangers and it is even more so when such footage is published, like on youtube.

Looks like good manners are a thing of the past or, worse, never have been learned by some.



]



E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 702 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5310 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
Filming other passengers and making this film public on youtube without ntheir consent may not be punishable in some countries but it is disrespectful and insulting.

For once I find I fully agree with you.  

However, this is a matter that is handled differently in different countries. It's important to realize which country's law applies in the plane. What is ok in US, might not be ok in Finland.

Another thing to note is that there 2 very different things: 1) taking a photograph AND 2) publishing a photograph. In Finland you can photograph almost anything that you can see (some exceptions for privacy do apply of course), but you have to be much more careful when actually publishing the photo. For example it is ok to take a photo of a person who has passed out on the street, but it might not be ok to publish a photo like this.


User currently onlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5033 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Plus there are some blokes that may take great offense at you filming them. If I was in the UK I definitely wouldn't point a camera at a Chav at anytime. I have an aversion to being roughed up on a flight.


Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

Definitely illegal in French law. Even things can be illegal to publish (for example the many works of art ornamenting our millions of roundabouts).


New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4568 times:

Quoting Unflug (Reply 8):
According to German law this clip would be clearly illegal without consent of the subject being filmed, so the answer to the question in the OP would depend on the carrier and applicable law.

In The Netherlands filming is not illegal, but you cannot make a film public without the consent of the subject being filmed. The only exception is when the film is "newsworthy" or if the person is not the subject.


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4521 times:

In US it is depends on the State you are video taping. Interestingly video taping without audio in a public place is allowed in all States. In most States you cannot record audio without all party consent. Only a handful of States allow single party consent for audio recording.

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

It may be legal but its down right rude and inappropriate!


My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

Quoting Unflug (Reply 8):

According to German law this clip would be clearly illegal without consent of the subject being filmed

How do you explain CCTV?



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently onlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2998 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 7):
There is no right or expectation of privacy in public.

Believe it or not, many countries, including Canada, have different laws than the U.S. Guess why Google street view blurs faces and registration plates. In Canada, it is tortious to publish an image of a person without their consent unless they are a "principal" in a "newsworthy event".

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
How do you explain CCTV?

Simple - the images are not published to the world at large.



Empty vessels make the most noise.
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25300 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting Unflug (Reply 8):
According to German law this clip would be clearly illegal without consent of the subject being filmed

Also illegal in Switzerland. Even the license plates of vehicles are blurred out in newspaper photos of car accidents etc.


User currently offlinerobsaw From Canada, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
A plane cabin is a public place and there is no expectation of privacy. If you want privacy while travelling spring for a private jet or one of those F-class suites.

Actually no it is a shared conveyance operated by a private entity which can set rules and policies for actions taken by the passengers onboard. For instance, American Airlines policy:
“Use of still and video cameras, film or digital, is permitted only for recording personal events. Photography or video recording of airline personnel, equipment, or procedures is strictly prohibited.“

While it doesn't specifically prohibit filming of others, it does limit it to "personal events", which would in my reading exclude recording of other passengers without their permission whereas airline personnel cannot even give permission under this policy without some corporate level waiver.


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1040 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

The question I have is:

Why would you want to? Why does every moment of some people's lives need to be recorded? Everything that happens to you (including someone falling asleep on you) doesn't need to be put on the internet.


User currently onlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 14):
In most States you cannot record audio without all party consent. Only a handful of States allow single party consent for audio recording.

You have that backwards. 12 states are all party consent states. The other 38 states and the District of Columbia are single party consent states. These rules apply to both telephone conversations and in-person conversations.

source

Quoting robsaw (Reply 19):
Actually no it is a shared conveyance operated by a private entity which can set rules and policies for actions taken by the passengers onboard.

I don't think that makes a difference. I live in a one party consent state. If I'm in my home, that's considered a private place. But someone else in my state could still call me on the phone and legally record the conversation without my knowledge.

Airlines can put all kinds of stuff in their carriage of contract, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily going to be upheld in a court of law.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

The OP answered own question. If he thought it is an invasion of privacy, he would not have posted the specific link.


14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
How do you explain CCTV?

On a company yard, a truck bumped into my parked car. Only because of the good relations I have with that company they released footage of the incident.

Even the buildings outside their premises had been pixeled.. CCTV coverage is for proper use by authorities only. Data storage is governed by law and extremely restricted.

Mug shots with personal data published in local papers are unthinkable.



E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3528 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 6):
If someone would film me while sleeping and load this on youtube he would get mail from my lawyer. At least the face would have tro be pixeld.

I would agree with you, but at the same time consider there's probably very little I would not do to forcibly remove you if you fell asleep on me like she did. You might even wish all I did was post your sweet dreams for all to see on youtube.

Quoting robsaw (Reply 19):
While it doesn't specifically prohibit filming of others, it does limit it to "personal events"

Someone falling asleep in your lap is very much personal... I highly doubt the sleeping passenger would have a recourse under AA's policies.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 21):
These rules apply to both telephone conversations and in-person conversations.

Courts also consider whether people had a reasonable expectation of privacy. On a plane, in coach, I highly doubt it...



I've got $h*t to do
User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 5):
No offense, but did you even watch the video? Would you rather he have shoved her, and caused a scene?

I would have informed her there was an issue. No ruckus needed, just a polite, consistent nudging to wake her up and let her know.


Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 7):
What's disrespectful and insulting is falling asleep on a complete stranger.

How much control do you have exactly while you are asleep? Why it is difficult to just wake them up if they intrude on you? I have done it a few times myself. And since i honestly have no idea if I snore or do anything else that might annoy someone near me, I ask/let my seat mates know to please awaken me if I do anything bothersome if I plan on grabbing some shuteye (I prefer aisle seats and while I am very good at staying upright and in my space, I know that I do the "headbob" motion at least and sometimes awaken with a "snort". It annoys me but the people around me assure me that I am not doing anything else).

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 21):
12 states are all party consent states. The other 38 states and the District of Columbia are single party consent states. These rules apply to both telephone conversations and in-person conversations.
source

I m surprised to see that New York is not a two party state.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
Someone falling asleep in your lap is very much personal... I highly doubt the sleeping passenger would have a recourse under AA's policies.

I would think that if you called the FA they would handle it. And as I say that I know it is an assumption so I will ask to those that know here: Am I right? How would you handle such a call?


Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
Courts also consider whether people had a reasonable expectation of privacy. On a plane, in coach, I highly doubt it...

The same goes for First Class too (But their lawyers are better so...).

Tugg



I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 24):
little I would not do to forcibly remove you if you fell asleep on me like she did. You might even wish all I did was post your sweet dreams for all to see on youtube.

That is not the title of the thread. No question that this woman behaves strange, so what's the problem , wake her up and if that does not help call the FA. .

The title of the thread is about the legality of filming and the answer is, in most European countries it is not and the US does not seem to give a damn.

If someone would take a video showing me snoring aways on a flight , that video would be anned on youtube in Germany at least. You'd get the bill from my lawyer which would be enforcable next time you enter germany.



E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlineGrisee08 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3613 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!


Get a load of this cat behind me. Apparently, taking a picture of myself was not something he wanted to happen. He did what he wanted to do, and didn't bitch to anybody, he just simply covered his face.

I have, on other flights, been tattled on for taking pictures of myself, and the c**t wouldn't shut up until the flight attendant had to tell me to put my camera away. Now, when this incident occurred, she was 2 rows IN FRONT of me, and was nowhere near my lens, but the guy above minded his own business, and just covered his face, and let me do my thing.

This picture, BTW, was taken in 7/2006, so roughly 7 years ago, ya know, back when I was young.



You're Losing The Game!
User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 26):
If someone would take a video showing me snoring aways on a flight , that video would be anned on youtube in Germany at least. You'd get the bill from my lawyer which would be enforcable next time you enter germany.

Only if the aircraft had a "D" (or other EU nationality mark) on the outside. If it had an "N" or a "VH" and other nationality marks, you couldn't take any valid legal action.

Gemuser



DC23468910;B72172273373G73873H74374475275376377L77W;A319 320321332333343;BAe146;C402;DHC6;F27;L188;MD80MD85
User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
How do you explain CCTV?
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 17):
Simple - the images are not published to the world at large.

Not only that, in German law there are more restrictions to CCTV. The rules are set in BDSG § 6b, if anyone is interested in Details  


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 28):
Only if the aircraft had a "D" (or other EU nationality mark) on the outside. If it had an "N" or a "VH" and other nationality marks, you couldn't take any valid legal action.

suits me fine, I don't fly N registered since the early 2000s. However., I doubt that a German court would make that distinction, rather they could not care less about that. The case would that my image appears unauthorized on a video which is made available in Germany and that is illegal, regardless where the footage was taken, in Central Park, the Rockies or an aircraft.It would not be available for German IP adresses.





. .



E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 30):
my image appears unauthorized on a video which is made available in Germany and that is illegal,

Then you have to prove (I assume) WHO made it available. In common law countries that could be a night mare. Is it different in Germany?

Gemuser

[Edited 2013-07-26 03:35:45]


DC23468910;B72172273373G73873H74374475275376377L77W;A319 320321332333343;BAe146;C402;DHC6;F27;L188;MD80MD85
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

No, very simple, it is youtube that has the problem. I do not have to care who uploaded the file on youtube.

If I do not want my nose shown on a video that is available to the public they have to take it offline.besides, it usually says posted by. Lawyers can identify IP numbers that made illegal downloads, they can identify the uploads as well.



E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 26):
You'd get the bill from my lawyer which would be enforcable next time you enter germany.

  

If I (as a US citizen) have video of you, recorded in the US, and uploaded to a US server and in compliance with the laws of the US and the state where both I and the server are located, explain how I would be responsible for the publication or access of the video in Germany.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

A lot of videos on youtube that are filmed in the US by US citizens uploaded on US servers etc. are not accessible in Germany because the owners of rights (and I own the right on my pictures, regardless who took them) have successfully appealed.


E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 2468 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 34):
A lot of videos on youtube that are filmed in the US by US citizens uploaded on US servers etc. are not accessible in Germany because the owners of rights (and I own the right on my pictures, regardless who took them) have successfully appealed.

That's fine and dandy.

German laws are not enforceable on actions that a US citizen takes wholly in the US.

Your lawyer can file all the legal paperwork you want him to, and then I'll just say that I was acting in the US, under US law, with no intention of the video being made public in Germany.

And then you'll be paying my legal fees.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Recently I was filmed and photographed a couple of times at a "seminar" a company organized, for internal usage. Even for such they had everybody present (up to the CEO) sign a consent form beforehand.


New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 35):
German laws are not enforceable on actions that a US citizen takes wholly in the US.

Maverick, there is a planet outside the US, believe it or not. The owners of this site know that, every time I check in here, ads in German and for Germany are popping up, because my IP adress identifies me as German. With the same technology, your video which i do not want to have in Germany, can be banned in Germany by court order. I can get a title against you to pay for the costs which is not enforcable in the US of course, but you should not enter into Schengenland.



E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

As long as the person photographed/filmed does not object to it.


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 37):

Maverick, there is a planet outside the US, believe it or not.

Yep. And German law only applies to German citizens and for actions that take place in Germany.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 37):
The owners of this site know that, every time I check in here, ads in German and for Germany are popping up, because my IP adress identifies me as German.

What has that got to do with anything? I neither host a server or own a domain name.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 37):
With the same technology, your video which i do not want to have in Germany, can be banned in Germany by court order.

Enforceable on YouTube, who hosts the content. Germany has zero jurisdiction on a US citizen in the US, who has not accessed any German servers.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 37):
I can get a title against you to pay for the costs

Not for something I did wholly in the US with no access to anything in Germany.

By that logic, if I were to post holocaust denials on this forum (or even on YouTube), you would have to claim that German police would charge me with a crime... which they can't, because I'm not in their jurisdiction.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25300 posts, RR: 22
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 39):
And German law only applies to German citizens and for actions that take place in Germany.

I would think German law would apply to all passengers on a German carrier while the flight is airborne worldwide (or on the ground in Germany), regardless of citizenship.

If an offence was committed and the passenger had to be dealt with by police in another country, the laws of that country would apply, for example if a flight was diverted due to an unruly passenger where the passenger would be dealt with under the laws of the country where the flight diverted. That's happened many times where international flights diverted to Canada.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 40):
I would think German law would apply to all passengers on a German carrier while the flight is airborne worldwide (or on the ground in Germany), regardless of citizenship.

Yes, but I am referring to an act on a US carrier operating in the US, with any publication of images taking place in the US.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9375 posts, RR: 29
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

my God is this complicated. I am not talking about a crime but a civil suit and if you take a video on an aircraft or anywhere showing me and publish that on youtube without my written consent I can enforce that this video is not shown to youtube users with a German IP adress.

In general, it is good manners and should be common sense that no videos or pictures are taken of strangers, regardless where, biut especially not in an aircraft. However, as we have learned in this thread, good manners are getting rare these days.



E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 42):
I can enforce that this video is not shown to youtube users with a German IP adress.

There is nothing complicated about it.

You threatened to sue anybody who posted a video with your face in it, and arrogantly claimed that you would be awarded legal fees payable by the uploader/videographer, regardless of where the video was taken and/or where it was posted.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 42):
However, as we have learned in this thread, good manners are getting rare these days.

Indeed they are. Why politely ask someone to take it down, when you can go crying straight to your lawyer?



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Is Filming Planes In North Korea Legal? posted Mon Mar 28 2005 17:24:47 by Alberchico
Where Is The CO Fleet posted Sun Sep 14 2008 16:05:32 by Xdlx
Why Is The CO Website So Faulty? posted Thu Feb 7 2008 17:11:15 by AFKLMLHLX
How Is This CO Itinerary Possible? posted Sat Feb 17 2007 03:43:13 by Ushermittwoch
Which Is Bigger CO Or The New US? posted Tue Apr 25 2006 02:35:11 by Ludavid777
How Is The CO Vs Jetblue In EWR Going? posted Mon Feb 6 2006 14:51:50 by Nwab787techops
Is This What Passengers Really Want? posted Wed Jan 25 2006 02:03:07 by Mirrodie
Is An Autopilot Landing Legal? posted Thu Dec 30 2004 09:47:52 by Swisskloten
Which Is Better? CO Or VS? posted Wed Apr 28 2004 15:06:26 by Airlinefreak1
How Effective Is The CO-KLM Partnership? posted Wed May 1 2002 23:07:09 by Delta777