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Air India B787 Flight Ovens Overheat  
User currently offlinediscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 833 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17359 times:

A post on another aviation site reports that an AI 788 had an oven fire on board, DEL-CCU.

Anybody have more information?

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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17342 times:

Just an overheated Samosa, probably. Actually the so-called fire was in an oven in the galley.

User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3287 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16973 times:

Possibly the new tandoors they're trialling...   

[Edited 2013-07-25 20:44:18]


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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16817 times:

Oven over heated. No damage . Nothing to see, Move on folks


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlinePEK777 From China, joined Jun 2012, 170 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16686 times:

Wouldn't surprise me if this Bush-League operation did this intentionally to get a 787 mishap into the media in an attempt to get compensation from Boeing. I know it sounds ridiculous, but look at some of the logic we have seem come from this airline in the recent past!
  


User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15986 times:

Quoting PEK777 (Reply 4):
but look at some of the logic we have seem come from this airline in the recent past!

I don't know about their logic, but yours seems absurd.

The aircraft was back in operation after removing the offending oven. The matter was reported to Boeing as a matter of course. Where does the compensation angle come in at all?


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15745 times:

Quoting PEK777 (Reply 4):
we have seem come from this airline in the recent past!

Did we miss something? How many crashes/fatalities/injuries AI had in recent past. India is a true democratic country, media reports every thing.


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1729 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15547 times:

Overheating ovens are a daily occurrence. Most of the time the oven has not overheated but the contents of a container inside have (particularly when warming chocolate for sundaes) making a terrible burnt smell, a cleanup mess but no harm done. Except that the crew won't be getting a sundae today. This is a non-newsworthy thread.

The ovens on modern aircraft are pre-programmed to heat at varying temperatures depending on the contents of the oven. It can be overridden, however, and that is when the problem occurs.



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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1819 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14039 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 1):
Just an overheated Samosa,
Quoting jetfuel (Reply 3):
Oven over heated. No damage

According to this source, it was a fire that needed to be put out using extinguishers. More than just an overheated samosa, I'm afraid.

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/vP...en-fire-spooks-Air-India-crew.html


and given that the 787 has, unfortunately, earned a reputation with regards to fires breaking out where they shouldn't, it is quite newsworthy.

Luckily, neither the airplane nor any of the passengers or crew were injured here.



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User currently offlineairdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13859 times:

Quoting discoverCSG (Thread starter):
DEL-CCU.

Are they still using these birds domestically? Isn't that waste?


User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13859 times:

Most sources seem to be reporting that it was just smoke from inside the oven.

User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13456 times:

Quoting airdfw (Reply 9):

Would you also call UNITED 787 used on domestic sector in USA as a waste? Check out traffic on DEL-CCU sector please. Also India is huge big country and domestic travel has gone up so much in recent past. I won't be surprised if they continue using one on this sector in coming days.

Cheers.


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3338 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12674 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 8):
Luckily, neither the airplane nor any of the passengers or crew were injured here.

Just the poor inflight meal.  



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4320 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12676 times:
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Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 11):
Check out traffic on DEL-CCU sector please. Also India is huge big country and domestic travel has gone up so much in recent past.

Very true!

New Delhi to Kolkata (Calcutta) is 814 sm.

Now for reference, Houston to Denver is 860 sm.

If these are both routes flown by 787s, then the distances are very similar.


User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days ago) and read 12332 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 13):
Now for reference, Houston to Denver is 860 sm.

If these are both routes flown by 787s, then the distances are very similar.

To be fair, IAH-DEN is only on a 787 so the aircraft is positioned for DEN-NRT. For instance, on Monday, July 29th, the UA timetable shows x5 739, x3 738, x1 752, and x1 788. It could easily support larger planes, but UA is going for frequency.

Quoting TheAviator380 (Reply 11):
Would you also call UNITED 787 used on domestic sector in USA as a waste?

Given that his username includes DFW he might...AA in DFW vs UA in IAH...   

Quoting airdfw (Reply 9):
Are they still using these birds domestically? Isn't that waste?

On the route, no. Given the crowding at some Indian airports, if you can put a high-capacity plane on the route, do it.


User currently offlineukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11756 times:

Quoting PEK777 (Reply 4):
Wouldn't surprise me if this Bush-League operation did this intentionally to get a 787 mishap into the media in an attempt to get compensation from Boeing. I know it sounds ridiculous, but look at some of the logic we have seem come from this airline in the recent past!

You're right - it sounds ridiculous.


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11454 times:

I have a theory on 787 fires, being American at heart 787 burns whenever it is at a port linked to British. BOS,LHR,CCU.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11133 times:

Quoting airdfw (Reply 9):

Are they still using these birds domestically? Isn't that waste?

No more a waste than using them on significantly shorter domestic routes in Japan.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11112 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 8):
According to this source, it was a fire that needed to be put out using extinguishers. More than just an overheated samosa, I'm afraid.

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/vP...en-fire-spooks-Air-India-crew.html


and given that the 787 has, unfortunately, earned a reputation with regards to fires breaking out where they shouldn't, it is quite newsworthy.

No it was just food that was in the oven much too long. This is not newsworthy in the least.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11081 times:


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User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9745 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 16):
I have a theory on 787 fires, being American at heart 787 burns whenever it is at a port linked to British. BOS,LHR,CCU.

hahaha - good one. and a very astute observation.

these three cities have indeed some remarkable similarities ... no questions on their past   


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9651 times:

Hey, it takes 900 F to cook a juicy Tandoori chicken leg!

User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9595 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 20):
hahaha - good one. and a very astute observation.

and in any case, even if it isn't, it still beats the nonsensical rambling of PEK777 


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1729 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8893 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17):
Are they still using these birds domestically? Isn't that waste?

It is common practice with a new aircraft type to operate it domestically while gaining operating experience and training crews. We did the same with the 747-400 (MSP-PHX) and the A330's. If they break they are close to a maintenance base.



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User currently offlineAlpage From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8549 times:

It is very worrying this situation. There are too many "leading indicators" and signals for a major event with this plane. My concern is to see Boeing and the Airways playing dice with the lives of passengers like this, dismissing and ignoring every "minor" event.

25 discoverCSG : I've never been more glad to have a thread title changed by the moderators. I originally posted not knowing it was "just" an oven issue.
26 Post contains images Stitch : That is only because every little issue with the 787 is reported in the media and, by extension, on this forum. When the A380 entered service, every
27 EK413 : Your welcome even though I'm not a moderator I just thought it was misleading. Just a note, if you feel the title needs to be updated with the correc
28 Post contains links sankaps : This article in Forbes too suggests it took fire extinguishers to put out. The article goes on to castigate AI for not making an emergency landing at
29 EK413 : Talk about incompetents. I've never flown AI & honestly don't have intentions to fly in the near future! Any fire regardless of it being under co
30 HAWK21M : Why did the cb not trip.
31 sankaps : Thread title is now misleading given the latest emerging info -- it was more than a case of overheating ovens (otherwise they would not need to use fi
32 StuckInCA : Does that really seem necessary to you? When the QF A380 had an uncontained engine failure causing substantial damage, the thread title was "QF A380
33 freqflyer : At what stage of the flight did the event occur ? Is it possible that the nearest suitable airport was indeed CCU ? LKO, VNS and PAT cannot take a 78
34 DIJKKIJK : It was a DEL-CCU flight with a total flying time of 1 hour 40 minutes! The nearest diversion airport would have been either DEL or CCU[Edited 2013-07
35 Gr8circle : Like many others on here, you seem to be heavily influenced by a.net opinions.....AI has been a favorite punching bag for many on this forum for some
36 EK413 : How long does it take a fire to be out of control? Does Swiss flight 111 ring any alarm bells? As an individual I choose to fly carriers I trust QF/L
37 DTW2HYD : Interesting. QF is obvious. LH is definitely top. BA is a OK. Hope you are aware most of EK MX engineers are former AI employees. AI has much conserv
38 Gr8circle : Well, you're entitled to your opinion and you've found that the aforesaid airlines meet your criteria and that's fine too.....but you seem (just like
39 sankaps : I think EK's comments relate to operational professionalism / safety consciousness. Curious why you would say QF is "obvious" and BA just "OK" when h
40 sankaps : Gr8circle: I don't think personal flight experience is relevant at all to this discussion, which is around operational professionalism and safety con
41 EK413 : QF always been recognised for their safety record, LH is by far one my favourite European carriers with a professional approach, BA provide a wonderfu
42 DTW2HYD : Yet again, dragged in to off topic discussion... It is like Delta is my first choice. QF gave up its international ops to EK, how does it matter how s
43 sankaps : Not it is not. But having them there for extended periods of time for non-duty related reasons is certainly not SOP either. Sorry, has nothing to do
44 DTW2HYD : I was just responding to [Reply 36], some seemingly random remarks about AI etc.
45 Post contains images Gr8circle : Ahh.....AI bashing all over again......really surprising how AI gets the worst end of the (a.net) stick for every big or small mistake they make (and
46 Post contains images himmat01 : I wish AI would appoint you as its PR Head. They really need somebody like you.
47 garpd : An Airline that is "barely" surviving does not take deliveries of brand new 77Ws, 787s and A380s. BA are operating at a profit in fact. Perhaps you a
48 777Boeing777 : To him, yes given his well documented history throughout multiple 787-related threads. Who hasn't left something in the oven to long or set the wrong
49 Post contains images sankaps : Yes, all of us have left something set at the wrong temperature and then used fire extinguishers to cope with the result, when 40,000 feet up in the
50 777Boeing777 : ....... and something relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, at least to most of us. Flight crews are trained to handle incidents like this.
51 777way : The Forbes guy said they should've diverted, he worked on the Swissair crash, BTW why didn't UPS land at nearest airport rather than continue to Dubai
52 sankaps : Nothing involving smoke and fire and use of fire extinguishers on an airplane while airborne can be dismissed as minor. And, contrary to your opinion
53 brilondon : AI is always in the media whining about their aircraft just to get compensation from Boeing. I hope eventually that Boeing will tire of their antics
54 Post contains images EK413 : Why my personal opinions have become the main discussion blows me away. I simply stated I refuse to fly AI & wish the carrier all the best with t
55 777Boeing777 : If you're referring to UPS Flight 6, IIRC, returning to DXB was the only option. Where else could they have diverted to? My commentary regarding your
56 sankaps : To Doha, which was closer at the point the emergency was declared. Well then it should be. One's comments should be on the issues being discussed, an
57 777Boeing777 : Then I guess the comment police will be showing up at my door reeeeeal soon. I'll put a pot of coffee on for them. My perception wasn't personal, it'
58 sankaps : Well then, you're wrong. I have no axe to grind with Boeing or the 787, I just happen to have a POV on the 787 saga and how that has been, and is bei
59 DTW2HYD : Continuing off topic: Well you made it sound like QF is perfect and AI shouldn't even be in the business. As far as international ops goes QF is a pap
60 Speedbored : By doing something like acquiring BMI from LH, perhaps? Oh wait ...
61 777Boeing777 : Sorry, but facts don't jive with your statements. Just the facts, that's all.
62 DIJKKIJK : All of which was reported in the hyperbolic and sensationalist Indian media, whose reports usually have to be taken with a huge spoon of curry ! Does
63 sankaps : DTW2HYD, you have no clue of what you are talking of. BA did not "merge itself with IB and become a Spanish company", it remains BA under parent comp
64 Post contains links DTW2HYD : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Airlines_Group There was no IAG before merger. HQ may be in London, but it is a Spanish registered company.
65 TheRedBaron : I love politically incorrect comments! Got a big laugh ! yes its ridiculous but funny.. Airline food that burned to oblivion....nothing lost here...n
66 garpd : BA doesn't need to buy anything. They are doing well concentrating on what they do best, instead of over extending themselves and putting themselves
67 sankaps : Having been involved in advising several airlines on mergers over the years, l think I can speak with some authority on this. BA identified IB as a p
68 sankaps : Could you point me to the facts you refer to?
69 777Boeing777 : My suggestion would be to review the posts from a handful of threads you blessed with your presence. I found it utterly hilarious how once the FACTS
70 Post contains images sankaps : Again, you are just making unsubstantiated statements. I continue to be VERY active on ALL of the threads relating to the ET fire event and other suc
71 Post contains images 777Boeing777 : Ahh yeah, instead you've been brewing "the sky is falling" kool aid. Ok, Got it. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
72 Post contains images sankaps : Great, I'm glad that's clear! Also glad you are comfortable believing all of the smoke incidents on the 787 do not in any way suggest a pattern or re
73 777way : They could also have turned to some Saudi airport while heading back to Dubai or even landed in Abu Dhabi.
74 Post contains links 777Boeing777 : The last time I checked, Boeing did not manufacture the galley units, just as they did not manufacture the ELT units, but once again, ....... it's th
75 Post contains images sankaps : Leaving the galley units aside as I have not at any point linked that to the 787, I am not going to get into this debate again here, it is being disc
76 DTW2HYD : So, what part of it made me clueless. If BA's 100% owned parent is a Spanish registered company, technically BA is a Spanish company. Doesn't matter
77 Speedbored : Why oh why oh why does every single thread about one manufacturer's aircraft always have to descend into childish personal attacks and the inevitable
78 sankaps : And how would that help with the negative coverage (most of it well deserved) it gets in its home country, India? These parts below...
79 Post contains images Speedbored : Well I have to admit that you're not helping your own cause when, within the space of a single paragraph, you state:
80 cornutt : On the other hand, I know a lot of McDonnell-Douglas old timers who feel like they got screwed when their stock was converted in the merger. You have
81 DTW2HYD : Let me explain slowly. By effectively handing over its international ops to EK, QF became paper airline. There is no need compare with real airlines
82 Speedbored : Well no, not necessarily. Talking about the 'nationality' of a company in this way is actually pretty meaningless these days. Given that there's no s
83 sankaps : Spare us the patronizing attitude. QF handed over something like one or two Europe destinations to EK as part of their strategic alliance. That to yo
84 TheRedBaron : I thought this thread was about ovens overheating and possible fire on a 787.... but it is more less about acquisitions mergers and nationality... Spe
85 sankaps : Still trying to figure out the statements above! Incidentally, IAG's primary listing is in London, its management team sits in its corporate HQ in Lo
86 DTW2HYD : Foreign investment 101: Ownership is decided by where the company is REGISTERED and PERCENTAGE of ownership. Where company is HQed, citizenship of CE
87 Speedbored : Maybe if you put as much effort into reviewing your posts for grammar, punctuation and clarity as you seem to able to put into making them patronisin
88 jetblueguy22 : This thread has run its course and will be locked to further posts. All posts made after the lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Rega
89 PW100 : Ah, you're definitely on to something here. This must be why Boeing is subcontracting so much of the plane, so they can be held responsible. I guess
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