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Frontier TTN Thread Part 4  
User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months ago) and read 21834 times:
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Previous Thread: Frontier TTN Smart Move Part 3 (by iowaman May 24 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Mercer County Freeholders approve bids for TTN parking and terminal modifications
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ions_at_trenton-mercer_airpor.html

Highlights of the article:
* $3.4 million bid for parking lots goes to Waters and Bugbee of Hamilton NJ (http://www.watersandbugbee.com/)
* $820,000 bid for Terminal Renovations (pax flow and baggage claim) goes to USA General Contractors of Elizabeth, NJ
* Parking will have 1225 spaces (3 major parking lots and a small employee/rental car lot)
* Employee/Rental Car Lot will serve as a cell phone lot as well


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 21645 times:

Does anyone have an update on TTN proposed PFC application request. From my vantage point the PFC is administrative function which the DOT approves at TTN implements. TTN request seems to be moving at a snails pace.


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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 21508 times:

I wonder just how committed F9's new owners will be to TTN and ILG for that matter. Will the same management team be running the company?

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Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 21456 times:
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Well, if the buyer is Indigo Partners, they might not be too happy with the idea of TTN/ILG as they have a 20% stake in Spirit Airlines which currently flies out of Philly. They wouldn't want to dilute profits for NK. Besides the fact that if F9 becomes a NK clone they'll turn to crap. If F9 were to pull out of TTN/ILG I could see Alliegant coming to atleast TTN, perhaps ILG. Hopefully this doesn't come to pass.


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User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 21266 times:

Quoting John (Reply 2):
I wonder just how committed F9's new owners will be to TTN and ILG for that matter

It's day by day with this company. They will be there one day and gone the next. If I were any airport that this company serves I wouldn't think long term with them. Lot of money being spent on TTN, hopefully they got something lined up incase F9 decides to leave.


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Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 21251 times:
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Quoting crj900lr (Reply 4):
Lot of money being spent on TTN, hopefully they got something lined up incase F9 decides to leave.

As I said in my last post I think G4 would be willing to give TTN a shot, may only be to FL cities like SFB, PIE, and PDG but it would be something.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 21177 times:

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 4):
If I were any airport that this company serves I wouldn't think long term with them

Your use of "any" is a strong statement. F9 serves 128 destinations across any given year including DEN. There may be a handful on the potential chopping block. The truth be known most are safe.

IMO F9 seems to raise the    when they see a loss of market share to other carriers at airports where they compete. Not everybody wants to fly West.

The new owners would be foolish to kabash a sole source market that works. I have a hunch the new potential owners gave the nod for the new five year lease. The new second gate jerseyguy mentioned is interesting. I wonder if F9 has leased it or will it be a available as a general use gate.

If F9 plays their cards right ILG could be another niche market. I'd find a way to connect the two airports on the ground with 58 miles separating the two. Possibly to take advantage of ILG longer runway(s) for DEN. ILG would be attractive over PHL and EWR for no other reason than the lack of crowds at screening etc. I'd like to see one daily ILG-DEN and one daily ILG-OPF OPF/Opa-Locka-Executive-Airport" target="_blank">http://skyvector.com/airport/OPF/Opa-Locka-Executive-Airport



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User currently offlineTHEFLLFLYER From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 21168 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 6):
I'd like to see one daily ILG-DEN

F9 already serves ILG-DEN.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 21084 times:

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 7):

They most certainly do. Thanks for keeping me in    brainfartitis I suppose



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Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 20995 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 3):
Well, if the buyer is Indigo Partners, they might not be too happy with the idea of TTN/ILG as they have a 20% stake in Spirit Airlines which currently flies out of Philly. They wouldn't want to dilute profits for NK.

Indigo Partners is cashing up and getting out of Spirit and Indigo's William Franke is resigning from the Spirit BOD:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/spirit...nounces-sale-common-203917312.html

Spirit Airlines, Inc. (SAVE) announced today the public offering of 12,070,920 shares of common stock by certain existing stockholders affiliated with Indigo Partners LLC ("Indigo"). Upon completion of the offering, investment funds affiliated with Indigo will no longer own shares of common stock of Spirit Airlines. The company will not receive any proceeds from this offering. Barclays is acting as the sole underwriter for the offering.

In connection with the offering, the Company also announced that Messrs. William A. Franke and John R. Wilson have informed the Company that upon completion of the offering, they expect to resign as directors at the next board meeting, presently scheduled for August 7, 2013. Upon Mr. Franke's resignation, the Company's board intends to elect Mr. H. McIntyre Gardner, a director since 2010, as Chairman of the Board.


While I'd be fairly sure that Frontier will continue to develop as ULCC, IF Indigo were to buy Frontier there would be no conflict of interest with Spirit.

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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 20984 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
Indigo Partners is cashing up and getting out of Spirit and Indigo's William Franke is resigning from the Spirit BOD:

Well I guess that points more to this "deal" being with Indigo. Which will probably turn it into a Spirit clone   Guess I'll be using my award ticket that I earned soon.



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 20966 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 10):
Well I guess that points more to this "deal" being with Indigo. Which will probably turn it into a Spirit clone Guess I'll be using my award ticket that I earned soon.

With Spirit or Frontier, one can get a sub $100 fare, one checked bag, one drink, all in for about $100, on a route from the Philly region (via TTN, ILG or ACY) to Chicago (MDW, ORD) with just 7-10 days advance purchase. The lowest Southwest will go on it's WGA, requiring a three weeks purchase in advance, is like $140 one-way. The legacies will match Southwest fares out of PHL to ORD even though WN flies to MDW.

I do find Frontier's seats comfortable. It'd be unfortunate to see if it adopted the high density configuration and truly turned to a Spirit clone, but those planes do fill either way and the goal is to still keep low fares while making a profit, so perhaps that measure to squeeze more rows will be adopted as the compromise. Tall people will just pay $10 for an aisle seat and have one leg sticking out for the flight.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 5):
As I said in my last post I think G4 would be willing to give TTN a shot, may only be to FL cities like SFB, PIE, and PDG but it would be something.

If F9 left, I'd think NK or B6 would consider service. Both like to do Florida service and F9 only proved these airports can get crowds.

[Edited 2013-07-29 16:11:53]

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Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 20960 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 10):
Well I guess that points more to this "deal" being with Indigo. Which will probably turn it into a Spirit clone  

Well, maybe. The omens would seem to point in that direction - BB did say that the deal is contingent on certain third party events beyond Republic's control and I guess this could count as one such.

But Indigo or someone else, it's been made very clear that Frontier would evolve into ULCC. They tried being something else and regularly lost money.

All the hand-wringing from the Frontier old-timers seems to ignore that essential fact.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 10):
Guess I'll be using my award ticket that I earned soon.

Fair enough.

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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 20925 times:
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Quoting Flytravel (Reply 11):
I do find Frontier's seats comfortable. It'd be unfortunate to see if it adopted the high density configuration and truly turned to a Spirit clone, but those planes do fill either way and the goal is to still keep low fares while making a profit, so perhaps that measure to squeeze more rows will be adopted as the compromise. Tall people will just pay $10 for an aisle seat and have one leg sticking out for the flight.

Being totally honest this is my worst fear as far as ULCC route goes. 28" inch pitch is just too low for me and while I'm tall, I think its not fun for short people either. If they were to keep stretch seating I may be able to live with that but if they go down the "Sardine Seating" path, I doubt they would stick to "Stretch Seating".



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20782 times:
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Well it appears F9 is being bought out by Indigo and will be a Spirit Airlines clone.
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...87324354704578638130697023770.html)

I wonder whether this makes TTN less viable, can't imagine all of the pax who are flying F9@TTN now will enjoy "Sardine Seating" (28" Non reclining seats). Will any other carrier enter TTN? Probably not. It would be great if B6 entered with MCO and FLL service they would have connections to AUS, LAX, SFO, CUN, Lots of places in the Carribean and Panama and Columbia.



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Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20777 times:
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Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 14):
I wonder whether this makes TTN less viable, can't imagine all of the pax who are flying F9@TTN now will enjoy "Sardine Seating" (28" Non reclining seats).

People fly Spirit in big numbers. Why wouldn't that same crowd fly Frontier?

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User currently offlineillinoisman From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20744 times:

New parking fees at TTN? Way to mess it up Freeholders...one of the only reasons people use the airport is free parking (it's certainly not the flight schedules). Never fails, once the government figures out they can charge for something, they immediately go forward without considering the consequences. The arrangement at the airport should be that the county build the garage and include the costs as part of the fees for F9 to use the airport. When the garage is paid off, the fees associated with the construction of the garage should drop. They are only building the garage so people can fly in and out on F9, and it provides a much needed/appreciated service to Mercer County. The county should not be in "business" to profit but only to provide service to it's community.

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Quoting mariner (Reply 15):
People fly Spirit in big numbers. Why wouldn't that same crowd fly Frontier?

Sorry letting my personal feelings for Spirits pitch and customer service effect my thought process. I forgot $ is king over comfort to people.



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Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20727 times:
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Quoting illinoisman (Reply 16):
The arrangement at the airport should be that the county build the garage and include the costs as part of the fees for F9 to use the airport.

The fly in that ointment is that Frontier would likely leave the airport if those fees were raised.

But last I heard, the Freeholders had postponed any decision on parking fees. perhaps I've missed something?

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 17):
Sorry letting my personal feelings for Spirits pitch and customer service effect my thought process. I forgot $ is king over comfort to people.

Myself, I wouldn't worry about any of this until it happens, and there is no deal for Indigo to buy Frontier yet. It seems possible, even likely, but it is not carved in granite.

More generally, any business needs to make money.

Back in about 2004/5 Frontier tried offering the goodies and yet it consistently lost money. Since it has headed towards ULCC it has changed its fortunes.

Same thing killed Midwest. People loved the goodies, but not enough of them and not paying high enough fares.

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[Edited 2013-07-30 14:03:07]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20697 times:

Quoting illinoisman (Reply 16):
The arrangement at the airport should be that the county build the garage and include the costs as part of the fees for F9 to use the airport. When the garage is paid off, the fees associated with the construction of the garage should drop. They are only building the garage so people can fly in and out on F9, and it provides a much needed/appreciated service to Mercer County. The county

What garage. I'm under the impression TTN is building parking lot(s) at a much lower cost. When all is said and done I believe ther are suppose to be 1200+ parking spaces



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Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20685 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 19):
What garage. I'm under the impression TTN is building parking lot(s) at a much lower cost. When all is said and done I believe ther are suppose to be 1200+ parking spaces

No its definately parking lots, there will be 4 of them. 3 will be major lots for passenger parking and the 4th will be a small lot for car rental, employees and a cell phone lot. Yes it will be approximately 1200+ spaces.

Quoting illinoisman (Reply 16):
one of the only reasons people use the airport is free parking (it's certainly not the flight schedules)

No its definately not for the schedules, but I'd say its

#1 Cheaper Price
#2 Convenience (Closer for most people and faster security)

FREE parking is a bonus.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20488 times:

Not to tread on on Jerseyguys thunder; it looks like TTN is going to remain open during the rehab for the small fliers. I suppose this means the terminal too. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ring_renovations.html#incart_river


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Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20468 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
The fly in that ointment is that Frontier would likely leave the airport if those fees were raised.
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 19):
I'm under the impression TTN is building parking lot(s) at a much lower cost. When all is said and done I believe ther are suppose to be 1200+ parking spaces.

Great, so when F9 pulls out like every other commercial airline that's been there, the folks will be stuck with the bill.


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Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20457 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 21):
Not to tread on on Jerseyguys thunder; it looks like TTN is going to remain open during the rehab for the small fliers. I suppose this means the terminal too.

Not a Problem, Gent. It would be good if the terminal was open, it would help me get shots of the construction though, with the parking lots being redone it might not happen. Though I am less interested now with the possibility of F9 squeezing in more seats if the Indigo deal goes thru. Hoping F9 keeps stretch seating at a decent price as that might get me to continue to use TTN.



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Quoting illinoisman (Reply 22):
Great, so when F9 pulls out like every other commercial airline that's been there, the folks will be stuck with the bill.

Pretty much except I think it fits in with its new ULCC model, its costs are low and its an alternate to EWR and PHL. Plus I think if F9 would pull out someone like G4, NK, or even perhaps B6 with flights to FL that could connect in MCO or FLL to the Caribbean.



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25 GentFromAlaska : In my mind F9 raised the bar and committed itself to TTN for the long haul by entering into the five year lease when they could have exercised a one
26 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I took a look at the RITA transtats for TTN for April 2013. The May stats should be published in the next few days. As suspected MCO is the #1 travele
27 Jerseyguy : Not bad a 89% load factor for April when they started all the Non-FL routes and Easter was in March this year as well We don't know what the yield was
28 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : On F9 ULCC side Southern Airways Express http://www.iflysouthern.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pubDsp.dspAboutUs might be a potential code share partner fo
29 THEFLLFLYER : One problem..... Southern does not serve MSY. It serves NEW.
30 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Well that does create a sort of problem. I suppose F9 could move their ops to NEW http://skyvector.com/airport/NEW/Lakefront-Airport . I don't know i
31 Post contains links MSYtristar : The historic art deco terminal building should re-open soon...possibly next month. http://theadvocate.com/news/neworlea...-148/art-deco-lakefront-air
32 Post contains links jerseyguy : They've put KTTN up at LIVE ATC Listening currently to F9 920 from RDU http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=KTTN and ILG as well though there is a majo
33 GentFromAlaska : Kudo's to the Ham radio (or equivalent) operator in the region who agreed to piggy back to host the signal.[Edited 2013-08-12 07:58:25]
34 GentFromAlaska : Because the LIveATC broadcast supports both the TTN ground and tower. I'm assuming we should hear the hand off from PHL to TTN. I'm currently watchin
35 jerseyguy : Yep, earlier today I heard "Frontier 933 (TTN-ATL) contact Philly Departure on one two four dot three five" Its not too long only a few minutes after
36 GentFromAlaska : Courtesy LAXIntl SCASD thread. It look like TTN has applied for SCASD grant funding Trenton, NJ County of Mercer seeks $500,000 in grant award supplem
37 burnsie28 : Flying into TTN tonight on F9 from Atlanta, seat map makes it look decently full (I know that's no indication of financials)
38 flyinryan99 : Yep, they go to Philly Departure...heard FFT907 come off TTN while I was flying yesterday.
39 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : the TTN parking verdict appears to be in http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...n-mercer_airport.html#incart_river
40 Frontier14 : How does this proposed parking fee differ from the Philly airport charges?
41 Post contains links mariner : Pretty well. The PHL parking charges differ depending on where you park: http://www.phl.org/passengerinfo/dir...sparking/Pages/parkingGarages.aspx "S
42 GentFromAlaska : A few airports including BNA and JNU (Juneau) make the first 15-30 minutes of short term parking free. BNA offers 15 and JNU was 30 at one time. I can
43 jerseyguy : I'm happy to see that the new parking rates are capped at $10. Though with Mr. Hughes seeming so insistent on wanting the $12 cap, I don't know if the
44 jerseyguy : no need for the 30 minute model as they will have a cell phone lot, as long as the person picking you up stays with their car, you can take as much t
45 IllinoisMan : That's what makes it ironic. They won't need the extra parking as soon as they begin charging as people will then get dropped off rather than pay the
46 mariner : What an odd idea. It's airport infrastructure, not airline infrastructure. mariner
47 GentFromAlaska : Does the TTN cell phone waiting area have porta-potties. BNA doesn't. That's were the 15 minute free short term parking comes in handy. BNA also offe
48 Post contains links jerseyguy : I didn't think about if the driver was running late. Looks like there will be no free parking though as this other article quotes a $2 per hour $4 to
49 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Times of Trenton Letter to the Editor concerning the parking fees at TTN http://www.nj.com/times-opinion/inde..._of_trenton_letters_to_th_803.html The
50 jerseyguy : Some people are intresting, the guy lives close enough, he can spit and hit the runway but he's going to travel the extra time and pay the extra money
51 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I learned along time ago people who write Letters to the Editor are looking to the media as a venting post. I liken it to a tweet on steroids. I'm no
52 Post contains links and images mariner : A couple of small things - TTN is getting a new firetruck/emergency response vehicle, courtesy of the FAA: http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...or_e
53 Post contains links jerseyguy : Small rumblings from Bucks County NIMBYs Yardley residents irked about increased flights and subsequent noise from Trenton-Mercer Airport http://www.b
54 GentFromAlaska : Why would anybody buy a house near the airport and then complain about noise? Trenton is after all the State Capital. TTN may not have had large jet
55 Post contains links jerseyguy : The Orchard Hill development (Ludlow Rd) in Yardley, PA where the officals say that they are getting a good amount of complaints is southwest of the r
56 Post contains links jerseyguy : Now it appears the Yardley (PA) town council will be complaining to their House and Senate representatives to deal with the complaints. They also floa
57 GentFromAlaska : I suppose the anti-NIMBY's could call themselves AWARE or Airline-Wishing-Angry-Residents-Evacuate. I'm sure I could come up with something for WHINE
58 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The frugal in me was searching for other coupons and ran across what appears to be a couple of coupons from ILG and TTN. http://www.retailmenot.com/vi
59 Post contains links jerseyguy : Seems like our good friends over at the Bucks Residents for Responsible Airport Management (BRRAM), are threatening a lawsuit against Trenton-Mercer A
60 mariner : Interesting wording in the article: "Currently, BRRAM is filing a lawsuit seeking a preliminary injunction to halt any TTN scheduled improvement work
61 smoot4208 : If they operated all 10 routes this summer on 2 airplanes, and in November the 2 airplanes return to TTN, you'd think they would still be able to ope
62 mariner : Not if they're sending the aircraft to LAN or if they add a couple of - say - Florida frequencies. I dunno, I'm not an Aircraft Scheduling Wallah. I
63 Post contains links and images mariner : Some commentary about the hiatus (and a possible afterwards) here: http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ontier_flights_for_two_months.html "Construc
64 jerseyguy : I'm glad to see that flying out of TTN will not require you to bring your bags down the stairs to the TSA check point. And it also looks like they wi
65 Flytravel : Given the moderate possible success of TTN-RDU for F9, I'd like to see TTN-CLT. If anyone has seen what the fares are on PHL-CLT and EWR-CLT nonstop,
66 Post contains links mariner : I think Frontier has a lot of choices at TTN. Given the success at BMI - none of the revenue guarantee was used - and given that BMI has a SCASD gran
67 GentFromAlaska : I'm sure there are a lot of 737's; they just happen to be flying over at 35,000 feet. On the worst day TTN see's what; five or six daily departures s
68 jerseyguy : I don't think the public will much notice the $4.50 PFC as it will become hidden in the price because Frontier has to show the price including the PF
69 GentFromAlaska : Interesting the locals would choose PHL or EWR over TTN for a few dollars. It would cost that amount in gas, potential tolls and parking (if its not
70 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Not being familiar with PATH (N.J. mass transit) Does the proposed extension of the PATH link to EWR effect TTN? http://www.railwayage.com/index.php/.
71 jerseyguy : Gent, PATH just links people from Jersey City Area and Lower Manhattan (Wall Street Area) Manhattan to Newark Penn Station where they can pickup Amtra
72 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : More of the same I suppose on the TTN parking fee saga. In the mojo arena I found it somewhat funny Friday 13th was chosen to formerly pass/impose the
73 Post contains links and images jerseyguy : This is my favorite line of the whole article true politician. "Once this is paid off, the county may be able to use the revenue generated from the pa
74 GentFromAlaska : In the choose your words carefully arena I suspect he means other airport projects both in and outside of the airport; on the airport grounds. Perhap
75 jerseyguy : I sure hope so. In thinking about it more, I would concede its would be fair to pay back the county for any projects that didn't come out of the airp
76 Post contains links jerseyguy : More in the NIMBY noise dispute at Mercer County will make a presentation on Thursday and providing "an overview of the airport and what has transpire
77 YQBexYHZBGM : Always the NIMBYs. There would still be NIMBYs if they were to replace the entire Amtrak Northeast Corridor with TGVs and close TTN entirely. Did the
78 Post contains images jerseyguy : Ms Bussey can be seen on her facebook page on the back of her husband/boyfriend's (he's in the pic) Motorcycle and we all know they don't make any no
79 GentFromAlaska : From the story "BRRAM, believes the Federal Aviation Administration should have ordered an Environmental Impact Statement after Frontier Airlines beg
80 YQBexYHZBGM : I make my living dealing with EISs. Unless there was state or federal money invovled, or new construction (minor terminal renovations don't qualify),
81 Post contains links jerseyguy : Mercer County did have a EIS done back in the 2000s regarding a 44,000 sq 2 gate modern facility being built. In February 2006, a FONSI-ROD (Finding o
82 Post contains links Sligo : The FONSI was issued as a result of the startup that was preparing for ops there. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...harter_airline_ready_to_fly_
83 jerseyguy : BRAAM was actually told their concerns were unfounded by the FAA when they complained in April (aka pound sand)
84 GentFromAlaska : Lets hope Canada and the U.S share the same EIS views. I would think they would.
85 YQBexYHZBGM : I work in both, and the requirements vary widely between the two countries, as well as from state to state and province to province. However, to my k
86 Post contains links jerseyguy : According to this article, they did operate a heavier schedule of nine flights a day (vs Frontier's 4 or 5) and there were complaints. http://articles
87 Post contains links Jerseyguy : The scallywags (Happy Talk Like a Pirate Day) over at BRAAM seem to be getting attention from a larger news source today CBS3 in Philly. http://philad
88 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The construction style of the TTN ATC tower leads me to believe the airport may at one time been a military airport in a previous life. Can anyone exp
89 Jerseyguy : I never thought that they would feel in competition with each other but today I saw a billboard for ACY. It was on I-95 South just before exit 3 (TTN
90 GentFromAlaska : Interesting; I would have thought ILG would be the airport of choice during the TTN closure. It is quite a bit closer than ACY. With that said PHL is
91 Jerseyguy : Yeah, Winter is the slow season in AC. What is interesting to me is that even during the high summer season when they have 10 destinations, why do th
92 Flytravel : TTN and ACY have common overlap: Brick/Toms River area, Philly/NE Philly, and Burlington/Camden/Gloucester counties in So. NJ. What I find odd is the
93 GentFromAlaska : My initial thought leans me towards tactics and or strategy. AS gobbled up four of the five gates in Juneau and have them on a long-long term lease s
94 Jerseyguy : Wouldn't surprise me, I'm not sure if it was an exclusive lease or more of a take up all of the capacity of the airport so no other airline can serve
95 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : More on the BRRAM EIS pursuit at TTN. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...airport_in_ewing.html#incart_river "We want the airport to do an environm
96 Jerseyguy : Yep, As a matter of fact, I-95 is only 575 feet from the threshold of Rwy 16. BRAAM is going to spend all this money on Lawyers, I don't understand w
97 GentFromAlaska : An excellent idea. This might be a better course for BRAAM to steer towards. It ultimately comes down to decibel level created from the traffic on I-
98 Jerseyguy : Yep, the affected houses are only like 2 miles out. If I had to guess (i dont have my google maps tool right now) it's probably a little over a mile t
99 Post contains images N75JYV : Yardley's North Main Street is approximately 2 miles from the RWY 6 threshold (and about 1.5 miles from the center of the Delaware River which marks
100 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Here is a pic to give you an idea about the distance 1.7MI to NJ/PA Border 2.1MI to N. Main St in Yardley, PA
101 GentFromAlaska : I see NJ strategically placed a golf course on the opposite side of I-95 adjacent to the airport. That should be BRRAM focus be it the wrong state. Go
102 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Mercer County Freeholders consider an airport advisory committee that would allow airport users, local residents, chamber of commerce members and othe
103 GentFromAlaska : Who wants to be venting post. Leave your grenades at home. Having lived on the Tennessee and Kentucky state-line for several years. When dual state i
104 GentFromAlaska : Courtesy the SCASD award thread Although I haven't check officially it appears TTN was unsuccessful in their SCASD application request. Kudos to poste
105 Jerseyguy : Oh well. I don't expect Mercer County to fund this by themselves, so I guess there won't be service, but perhaps Mercer could negotate a $10 fare to
106 GentFromAlaska : With F9 vested interest in TTN as a sole source air carrier F9 could always purchase a hotel type shuttle van and operate the service as a courtesy o
107 Jerseyguy : Unfortunately, I doubt it is still in the market for a van as it is no longer a Marriott as of June when the contract wasn't renewed. Frankly it does
108 Post contains images point2point : Thanks. This is probably an area where F9 needs to concentrate its efforts to scheduling and fare. If NK is substantially getting more than F9 (let's
109 jerseyguy : Atleast at TTN, I think they are trying to tweak it a bit and get rid of all the promo fares as they've now been in TTN for close to a year. Right no
110 GentFromAlaska : Perhaps they might try one city on a Saturday and the other on Sunday. A airport to airport shuttle could be used between ILG and TTN if the loads ne
111 Post contains images jerseyguy : I just thought about this. Now that TTN reclaiming its 2nd gate and it is theoretically possible that 2 flights could depart at the same time or simil
112 PHLwok : Eh, not really reliably. TTN-ILG by road is about 75 minutes with zero traffic and can be much more if there are issues on 95 in Philly. ILG-PHL is e
113 jerseyguy : I agree TTN and ILG are too far apart for a shuttle, winter I wouldn't be concerned about weekend trips as tourism is down and most of the people goi
114 Post contains images jerseyguy : I got a shot of it, sorry about the quality but the sign is one of those electronic rotating message ones and it may have been starting to change,
115 Post contains links jerseyguy : On the BRAAM Facebook page they have this shot of a Frontier plane over their house (I guess the main guy). Two Questions 1, Can we confirm this is a
116 Post contains images rampart : That's pathetic. Even chemtrails are ineffective at that altitude. Seriously hard to say what altitude, depending on how much zoom he used. Can you i
117 Flytravel : But the kids might not be able to miss school on Friday. I like the TTN-RDU schedule and a weekend trip can be done on either side without the loss o
118 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : According to http://www.travelmath.com/flights/ fifty nine miles separate ILG and TTN. My not being a local you guys would know better. From my abode
119 jerseyguy : What you want EAS service because you have to travel an hour and 15 minutes from the airport? Maybe Frontier will come and bring its ULCC service.
120 n75jyv : I was on Scotch Road this past weekend and saw the EMAS construction in progress. Anyone know how it is progressing? Piles of dirt, construction equip
121 jerseyguy : Yes, I've been at the other side near the Rwy 6 threshold off of Bear Tavern road and they are working, or atleast they had equipment and alot of dir
122 Post contains links jerseyguy : PA House representative Steve Santasiero requests EIS from FAA for TTN. http://www.phillyburbs.com/00redesig...1-d785-5464-98fd-53ce60594352.html Seem
123 n75jyv : Just drove by both ends of 6/24 and past the terminal on Sam Weinroth Road. EMAS construction is in full swing on both ends (on a Saturday morning) an
124 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I found a little interesting reading material. http://www.wacaz.com/services/airport-development-analysis/ It reads like the the FAA has determined F
125 jerseyguy : With 34 days left to go until TTN reopens, and with no lawsuit filed to stop it, I'm going to assume that even the BRRAM lawyers aren't confident in t
126 GentFromAlaska : Possibly due the federal government shut down. I keep reading the word "significant" impact in the EIS reading I do. I don't see a high flying aircra
127 Post contains links jerseyguy : Should Trenton take notice of this comment? From the Phoenix Business Journal http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...franke-looks-to-take-frontier.htm
128 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Westerner or not IMO Mr. Franke would be a fool dismantle TNN; a sole source niche market between two larger metropolises. His statement is sort of b
129 Post contains images point2point : Such a curious comment from the article: “We believe in the ultra-low-cost model,” said Franke. He added that airline industry consolidation coul
130 mariner : If TTN is profitable, it will stay. If it isn't profitable, or potentially so, then I guess there would be a question mark over it. Same with ILG, I
131 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Correct. the commas between the cities lead me to believe the author is saying G4 serves those cities not necessarily from AZA. http://www2.allegiant
132 mariner : Just as extension of that, I would be surprised - as in fall over in shock - if Franke had not been made aware that Frontier was extending the TTN co
133 THEFLLFLYER : Frontier extended its schedule to June 12, 2014 today. The press release says: In addition, Frontier is increasing frequency of service from Trenton-M
134 Frontier14 : It looks like the following for these city pairs TTN - ATL 5X TTN - MCO 5X TTN - MDW 6X Frontier 14
135 mariner : The website shows TTN-CMH returning to 3 x weekly for the summer. TTN-RDU stays at 5 x weekly for the winter, then goes to 6 x weekly in May. I don't
136 jerseyguy : TTN-ATL from 4X to 5X (New summer frequency never been at 5X) TTN-MDW back up to Spring/Summer frequency from 4X to 6X TTN-MCO remains at 5X except ap
137 Post contains images mariner : For a few Saturdays in that period the website shows it is double daily - 2 x on those Saturdays. mariner
138 Post contains images jerseyguy : I just got some information from an employee of WFS at TTN. 2 things 1. He thinks that the new terminal renovation will include a FIDS system. You kno
139 GentFromAlaska : Do we know if TTN-MSY is coming back? If memory serves me the discontinued seasonally. I was under the impression the loads were decent.
140 gustywinds : I believe MSYTristar asked someone at MSY and F9 told them they might be back on the route in 2015.
141 Post contains images point2point : So at peak season, does anyone know an average of how many daily F9 flights will there be to/from TTN? Or how many birds F9 will use here?
142 mariner : The TTN schedule is usually operated by two aircraft - not always the same aircraft, they rotate them through. mariner
143 Post contains images point2point : So it's a couple of birds that F9 uses here, and I'm guessing with maybe anywhere from about 3-5 flights to-XXX daily and 3-5 from-XXX daily that wil
144 mariner : I'm not a Schedule Wallah, but something like that. Last summer I thought it was about five flights a day. mariner
145 Frontier14 : Good to see DRO (Durango) coming back for the summer season too ! Frontier 14
146 jerseyguy : No more 1 stop flights for TTN-DEN. Looks like if you want to go west you need to go to ILG.
147 mariner : Hmmm? I'm seeing the one-stops on the website in May and June. TTN-MDW #915 connects to MDW-DEN #541 with a 48 minute layover and DEN-MDW #534 connec
148 GentFromAlaska : I accept that to mean ILG should be sticking around for awhile. From my vantage point its not a unreasonable commute. What scares me though is PHL wh
149 jerseyguy : Sorry I meant no direct same plane same flight number service TTN-DEN. When I flew to Chicago last may, it was flight 907 service to Chicago continui
150 mariner : Ahhh - now I understand. Fleet jiggling, I suppose. I'll be pleased when the fleet loosens up a bit and Frontier can switch out of defensive mode - w
151 GentFromAlaska : With that has to come a mindset change by the flying public which is integral part the ULCC model.
152 jerseyguy : NEW SERVICE to/from Trenton Starting February 12, 2013 TTN-CLT 4X Weekly SUN, MON, WED, THUR TTN-CVG 3X Weekly MON-WED-FRI This comes this same time a
153 Post contains links jerseyguy : Frontier Airlines Adds Service from Trenton-Mercer Airport to Charlotte, N.C. and Cincinnati, Ohio http://news.flyfrontier.com/press-re...ice-trenton-
154 Post contains images rampart : Presumably NOT competing with MMU-LUK and MMU-CVG 4-5 days a week on Ultimate Air. Different market. I need to find an excuse to try Ultimate Air som
155 Flytravel : The new CLT and CVG flights are mostly later in the day which should help make it viable for VFR. MDW-TTN also returns in November and stays with even
156 Frontier14 : Interesting and good adds for TTN. This leads one to surmise that perhaps an additional aircraft may be added to the F9 fleet after the first of the
157 Post contains images mariner : I'd like to see TTN-CLE - but mostly, I'd like to see TTN-BNA. mariner
158 Flytravel : BNA would be good but longer distance and to a WN major city. WN has low fares from EWR. Either CHS or MYR could be popular for S. Carolina. BUF or IA
159 Post contains images mariner : I'm sure we all have our pipe dreams, but I don't see why distance is an issue - at 700 miles it is well within range. And almost any city has compet
160 STT757 : I'm estatic at the success F9 is having at TTN, it's such a untapped market.
161 Post contains links mariner : The costs of the terminal improvements at TTN have gone up a tad - 6% - but for good reasons: http://www.trentonian.com/general-ne...uss-airport-updat
162 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Nashville is currently enjoying the same fame and growth spurt of sorts as AUS did ten years ago. The city opened a new Music City Center in May whic
163 Jerseyguy : Yes, while one can now get $99 fares during their systemwide winter sale that ends tommorrow. Outside that sale is $159 each way for Winter and $193
164 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Looks like they are really improving the gate area. The grand reopening of the Trenton-Mercer airport is scheduled for Nov. 8. When the airport reopen
165 Flytravel : F9 didn't fare well on ILG-IAH and TTN-MSY is missing in action. A LCC selling Florida flights from a northeast airport is like a restaurant selling f
166 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Just caught that here are the flight times CLT F9 931 TTN 525p CLT 710p 319 SUN F9 930 CLT 750p TTN 930p 319 SUN F9 931 TTN 635p CLT 819p 319 MON F9
167 Post contains images mariner : TTN-ATL (virtually the same distance) is doing great and BNA has music. Frontier, from DEN, does pretty good in Tennessee - BNA, TYS for most of the
168 Flytravel : A good thing for F9 is that that EWR-ATL fares will likely be high. This is because WN/FL doesn't fly EWR-ATL. So, with EWR fares high, F9 can be in
169 mariner : Range is the issue out of TTN, because of the runway length. Im not sure that I think of ATL, MDW, DTW and CLT as mid-size cities. I'm intrigued that
170 Flytravel : CLT is mid size. Charlotte's metropolitan area has 2.3M. It's CSA is 2.4M. Cincinnati had 2.1M, and nearby Dayton adds a some bonus catchment. DTW is
171 GentFromAlaska : I'm surprised F9 chose TTN-CLT over ILG-CLT. Delaware has long been recognized as credit card corporate America and CLT a significant banking center.
172 Jerseyguy : Both EWR and PHL want close to $200 each way for CLT and CVG for the nonstop connections aren't that much cheaper and on such a short flight make the
173 STT757 : Merrill Lynch has a huge campus across I-95 from TTN, Merrill Lynch is owned by Bank Of America. Not sure if it's something that would generate traff
174 Flytravel : The flight times for CVG and CLT seem more oriented for leisure/VFR. Only RDU service, with it's early morning service, seems possible in pulling in s
175 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Don't know what are in these (EMAS Blocks??, Terminal Renovation stuff, or maybe parts of the modular baggage claim) but about 12-15 tractor trailers
176 mariner : I'm surprised they haven't added ILG-FLL and yes, ILG does look like a bit of an orphan. But - to generalise - FLL appears to be the "least strong" o
177 PlanesNTrains : He's at it again! lol I'm not sure why FLL would be less stellar, but perhaps it's just enough of a WN/B6 stronghold, and perhaps just a pinch more "
178 mariner : You know me too well - LOL. I think CLT is piazazz-ish, but I think with ILG it is just providing "obvious" service and I think they should make a sp
179 Jerseyguy : What ILG needs is full flights and a fare that will make a profit. The more profit the better, that being said Carribean Islands like Aruba, Bermuda,
180 Frontier14 : Jerseyguy thanks for the photos of the TTN work. It is nice to put an image(s) to what is being talked about on a.net. Am I correct is assuming there
181 mariner : The money pit for the Caribbean is SJU - unless you include CUN as the Caribbean. I like the idea of STT, but it isn't quite in the same league. Part
182 Frontier14 : Are there any advantages to an ILG-PBI route versus FLL? Frontier 14
183 mariner : Ah - sorry - outside my knowledge. Frontier tried DEN-PBI for a while and I believe it did pretty well, but it got lost in the big retrenchment befor
184 rampart : Frontier's less-than-daily mode of operation is not geared toward business flying. I doubt they are interested in attracting any dedicated business (
185 Jerseyguy : I'm being told they are EMAS materials. Its interesting they need atleast 10 tractor trailers (thats how many I counted in my photos but there are mo
186 GentFromAlaska : From my vantage point St. Lucia SLU would be pizazz. Nassau does pretty good too. At least the Paradise Island side.
187 PlanesNTrains : Well, they can be a tiny player in FLL or a fairly relevant player in PBI. I think AA is getting incentives from PBI to begin PBI-LAX service. Maybe
188 Post contains links Flytravel : This was from a year ago, but PBI is offering first year incentives for service. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/bu...g-ground-to-larger-airports/nT
189 mariner : It's surely an attractive idea, but I don't know the south Florida market well enough. I've always thought of Palm Beach as the up-market end, but wi
190 GentFromAlaska : FLL is the big college spring break city in Florida. Panama city is a favorite for those who drive. I suppose anything in Florida is fair game. The b
191 sunking737 : Don't forget the House of the Mouse, SeaWorld, Universal & Legoland @ MCO. All family parks
192 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Yes, Dayton is no longer the Spring Break destination it used to be. Daytona Beach (DAB) is also fading
193 GentFromAlaska : I hate when I do that. Well at least the DAY as in DAYtona correct.
194 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : A few days ago I mentioned BNA is enjoying the same growth spurt AUS did ten years ago. Last evening Hankook Tire of South Korea announced (or at lea
195 Post contains links KarlB737 : On a side note: Courtesy: Rockford Register Star Frontier Drops Rockford-Denver Route From Its Manifest "Frontier Airlines will not resume service bet
196 enilria : "seasonal suspension"="maybe resumption"
197 Jerseyguy : Just saw a post on flyertalk, someone put together a chart of all the arrivals and departures for TTN during the spring break period. A few things to
198 GentFromAlaska : TTN mimics Juneau in that aspect. One baggage carousel serves everything. Two flights at the same time is bad enough; three creates chaos.
199 Jerseyguy : Looks like its only for the March/April Spring Break season when they need to fit in some extra FL runs May 2014 SUN: CMH 2125 MDW: 2155 CLT: 2355
200 mariner : If they are planning to keep three aircraft (schedule) based at TTN, then they may find other places to fly instead of those extra Florida runs. mari
201 Jerseyguy : Perhaps or perhaps its only a 3 plane schedule for the 2 month spring break period and one of them goes some place else in early May. I hope that the
202 Post contains images mariner : Sure - perhaps.That's why is said "if." But at least one of those extra Florida frequencies stays at TTN for the 6th RDU. mariner[Edited 2013-10-11 2
203 GentFromAlaska : Is this the only RON or Remain Overnight airframe across the entire TTN schedule? It actually makes since across the Winter months in that the airfra
204 Flytravel : Since F9 seems pretty committed to TTN, it'd be a good measure if there was TTN to Trenton Transit Center shuttle esp. on Thursdays, Fridays and Sunda
205 GentFromAlaska : TTN submitted a SCASD grant application this year for some sort of transportation to/from the airport to a metro transit station which the feds denie
206 Flytravel : Continental now United offers a ABE-EWR bus service that's 3x daily. Are there other ground services that specifically feed one carrier's services?
207 mariner : I think all the aircraft assigned there - be it 2 aircraft or 3 - RON at TTN for the early morning departures. I don't think any of the TTN flights s
208 Jerseyguy : When does Ernie the Eastern Goldfinch (NJ State Bird) come to Frontier? They give Trenton any more service and I think it would only be right
209 THEFLLFLYER : This is also offered on BPT-IAH
210 Post contains links and images mariner : It's a great idea. It would have to be an A319 (bit pointless otherwise) and while they are looking at more A319's I don't know if any have been foun
211 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Agree; Not a bad looking critter. http://www.statesymbolsusa.org/New_Jersey/StateSymbolsNewJersey.html Iowa also selected the Goldfinch as their stat
212 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Its actually the same bird, it can be called the Eastern Goldfinch or the American Goldfinch. NJ decieded to use the Eastern term. http://en.wikipedi
213 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : ATC shutdown round deux http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2..._be_catastrophic.html#incart_river It appears FAA ATC regular full time civil service e
214 Jerseyguy : I doubt we'll still be shutdown on November 1st, I don't think the tower is in danger.
215 KarlB737 : A basic question regarding Frontier at TTN. Did Frontier approach TTN with an interest in providing air service or did TTN seek out Frontier to supply
216 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Frontier approached TTN. "Frontier "made the first inquiry to us," said Mercer County Executive Brian M. Hughes. "They were looking for an alternativ
217 Jerseyguy : Minor update: Avis/Budget is being replaced by Enterprise and will be open from 6 am to 12 Midnight 7 days a week[Edited 2013-10-14 16:49:03]
218 Flytravel : The extended hours for Enterprise and daily availablit can makes it easy to plan a NYC trip using TTN, with a car rental and drive to a hotel likely
219 Jerseyguy : Yes, the hours for Avis/Budget were a little limited especially on weekends. Someone wanting to fly into TTN, rent a car and go into the city would b
220 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : For the military, nostalgia or photo enthusiasts. It looks like a vintage B-17 is visiting TTN concrete. Perhaps a opportunity to go out and snoop aro
221 Jerseyguy : If its in front of the hangar I think it is, yes one would have a good view of the EMAS construction at the Rwy 24 threshold.
222 GentFromAlaska : This is bound to wind up BRRAM, The articles reads like it the B-17 would be flying over Bucks County Those 1200 horsepower B-17 engines can't be quie
223 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Not quiet indeed, listen to the engines on landing at about 3:21 of this video. At some point I hope they do an EIS so that when they get the FONSI/R
224 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Probably means nothing but I noticed this quote from Mercer County Executive Brian Hughes in a article in the Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/bu
225 GentFromAlaska : I accept Boyd's statement taken from the article to mean connect with their own metal. It doesn't preclude a partner such as a smaller regional such
226 mariner : I guess Spirit isn't ULCC then, because they offer connecting flights - I just did a dummy booking DTW-BOG, via FLL. I wonder why the smart people ar
227 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Was at TTN today to see the B-17 they brought in, EMAS is looking good, that is on schedule. But the parking lots, I'm not so sure, I can see that the
228 GentFromAlaska : Thanks for doing that and the construction update. She a good looking old bird. The plane of course.
229 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Here's an editorial written by the Trenton Times editoral board in favor of the renovations at Trenton http://www.nj.com/times-opinion/inde...torial_f
230 Flytravel : It doesn't seem F9 is selling connections through TTN right? With the diversity of cities on Sunday, northbound and southbound, I did match some possi
231 Jerseyguy : Atleast prior to the renovations TTN wasn't set up to accommodate connections, coming off the plane you walk thru baggage claim and are now landside
232 Post contains images point2point : F9 wants to do away with as many connects as possible. They want to focus in on routes where there is a high proportion of O&D on every flight. E
233 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Frontier Senior VP Daniel Schurz speaker at Trenton Small Business Week luncheon. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ll_business_week_set_to_begin
234 Post contains images point2point : From the article: and an address by a Frontier Airlines executive on why the airline chose to make Trenton-Mercer Airport its East Coast hub. Is TTN
235 Post contains images mariner : So a reporter who doesn't know the difference used a word that airline people are bizarrely protective of. I recall having crap blasted out of me - h
236 Jerseyguy : The local news outlets here are a joke, Trenton is a focus city not a hub. They are constantly getting that wrong. As far as TTN-DEN is concerned they
237 Jerseyguy : Come on now Mariner, get it right it's cities with large connection opportunities LOL
238 Post contains images mariner : My father was an aircraft engineer who started working for Imperial Airways - later BOAC - in 1936. When he was first posted to the baby LHR after th
239 Post contains images point2point : I could see that sometime soon with F9's help there that TTN is going to grow into an airport the size and influence of LHR........ Gotta have some f
240 Post contains images mariner : In that case, TTN is way ahead of where LHR was then - at least it has a bricks and mortar terminal. When I first flew out of LHR in 1950, the "termi
241 Jerseyguy : If they were sneaky and underhanded enough (you know good politicians), they would have snuck it into the EMAS project quietly somehow. LOL (maybe th
242 GentFromAlaska : Anybody got a tape measure?
243 mariner : That's crossed my mind, too, but I think it would play into the Nimby's hands. Isn't there an unofficial agreement that they won't extend the runway?
244 GentFromAlaska : Because F9 offers service from nearby ILG to DEN The drive from TTN-ILG in my mind would not be a show stopper. When I fly into and out of BNA a one
245 Jerseyguy : Here's an interesting question, if Trenton didn't have such a short runway and it had a 7500ft runway available where other than Denver would it fly t
246 Flytravel : I think LAS would be considered as EWR-LAS has only UA as far as nonstop, and high nonstop fares . So TTN-LAS would be an alternative for pax that liv
247 Post contains images mariner : That's the reality, if only because of the runway length. Supposedly, the strategy at TNN is both simple and obvious - connect it to the largest citi
248 Frontier14 : Thanks for the list Mariner. A number of possibilities here may well work for F9. I am wondering if ILG would benefit if the gate space at TTN become
249 mariner : It sure would. The planes from ILG to Florida and DEN are packed and I am waiting (slightly impatiently) for ILG to be shown some more love by Fronti
250 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Looks like the NIMBYs fight will be a long uphill battle. Reponse from the Harrisburg, PA regional FAA administrator Carmine Gallo, FAA regional admin
251 Flytravel : I think metropolitan area sizes are generally considered and BUF is somewhere in the top 50. BUF has low fares to BWI (because of WN) and JFK (becaus
252 Post contains links and images point2point : The last thing that I would want to be here is any sort of spoil-sport, so if I may add here - wouldn't the list of U.S. cities that is used here may
253 Post contains images mariner : I think either BUF or IAG would be good - they both give access to Niagara. And with regard to your suggestion of SJU, I think that would be good fro
254 GentFromAlaska : With ACY in range of TTN would ACY lessen the demand from TTN-LAS? Keeping with the Frontier theme; critters and all; I was pondering if connecting b
255 Jerseyguy : Alot has been done, we have 2 gates now, a new baggage carosuel (based on news reports), food and bathrooms in the gate area. Parking will no longer
256 Post contains links iowaman : Looks like we're over the 250 mark, I'll archive this thread. Part 5 on F9 TTN is open here: Frontier TTN Thread Part 5 (by iowaman Oct 22 2013 in Civ
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