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Frontier TTN Thread Part 4  
User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
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Previous Thread: Frontier TTN Smart Move Part 3 (by iowaman May 24 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Mercer County Freeholders approve bids for TTN parking and terminal modifications
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ions_at_trenton-mercer_airpor.html

Highlights of the article:
* $3.4 million bid for parking lots goes to Waters and Bugbee of Hamilton NJ (http://www.watersandbugbee.com/)
* $820,000 bid for Terminal Renovations (pax flow and baggage claim) goes to USA General Contractors of Elizabeth, NJ
* Parking will have 1225 spaces (3 major parking lots and a small employee/rental car lot)
* Employee/Rental Car Lot will serve as a cell phone lot as well


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21665 times:

Does anyone have an update on TTN proposed PFC application request. From my vantage point the PFC is administrative function which the DOT approves at TTN implements. TTN request seems to be moving at a snails pace.


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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21528 times:

I wonder just how committed F9's new owners will be to TTN and ILG for that matter. Will the same management team be running the company?

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Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days ago) and read 21476 times:
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Well, if the buyer is Indigo Partners, they might not be too happy with the idea of TTN/ILG as they have a 20% stake in Spirit Airlines which currently flies out of Philly. They wouldn't want to dilute profits for NK. Besides the fact that if F9 becomes a NK clone they'll turn to crap. If F9 were to pull out of TTN/ILG I could see Alliegant coming to atleast TTN, perhaps ILG. Hopefully this doesn't come to pass.


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User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 21286 times:

Quoting John (Reply 2):
I wonder just how committed F9's new owners will be to TTN and ILG for that matter

It's day by day with this company. They will be there one day and gone the next. If I were any airport that this company serves I wouldn't think long term with them. Lot of money being spent on TTN, hopefully they got something lined up incase F9 decides to leave.


User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 21271 times:
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Quoting crj900lr (Reply 4):
Lot of money being spent on TTN, hopefully they got something lined up incase F9 decides to leave.

As I said in my last post I think G4 would be willing to give TTN a shot, may only be to FL cities like SFB, PIE, and PDG but it would be something.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 21197 times:

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 4):
If I were any airport that this company serves I wouldn't think long term with them

Your use of "any" is a strong statement. F9 serves 128 destinations across any given year including DEN. There may be a handful on the potential chopping block. The truth be known most are safe.

IMO F9 seems to raise the    when they see a loss of market share to other carriers at airports where they compete. Not everybody wants to fly West.

The new owners would be foolish to kabash a sole source market that works. I have a hunch the new potential owners gave the nod for the new five year lease. The new second gate jerseyguy mentioned is interesting. I wonder if F9 has leased it or will it be a available as a general use gate.

If F9 plays their cards right ILG could be another niche market. I'd find a way to connect the two airports on the ground with 58 miles separating the two. Possibly to take advantage of ILG longer runway(s) for DEN. ILG would be attractive over PHL and EWR for no other reason than the lack of crowds at screening etc. I'd like to see one daily ILG-DEN and one daily ILG-OPF OPF/Opa-Locka-Executive-Airport" target="_blank">http://skyvector.com/airport/OPF/Opa-Locka-Executive-Airport



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User currently offlineTHEFLLFLYER From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 21188 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 6):
I'd like to see one daily ILG-DEN

F9 already serves ILG-DEN.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months ago) and read 21104 times:

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 7):

They most certainly do. Thanks for keeping me in    brainfartitis I suppose



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Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21015 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 3):
Well, if the buyer is Indigo Partners, they might not be too happy with the idea of TTN/ILG as they have a 20% stake in Spirit Airlines which currently flies out of Philly. They wouldn't want to dilute profits for NK.

Indigo Partners is cashing up and getting out of Spirit and Indigo's William Franke is resigning from the Spirit BOD:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/spirit...nounces-sale-common-203917312.html

Spirit Airlines, Inc. (SAVE) announced today the public offering of 12,070,920 shares of common stock by certain existing stockholders affiliated with Indigo Partners LLC ("Indigo"). Upon completion of the offering, investment funds affiliated with Indigo will no longer own shares of common stock of Spirit Airlines. The company will not receive any proceeds from this offering. Barclays is acting as the sole underwriter for the offering.

In connection with the offering, the Company also announced that Messrs. William A. Franke and John R. Wilson have informed the Company that upon completion of the offering, they expect to resign as directors at the next board meeting, presently scheduled for August 7, 2013. Upon Mr. Franke's resignation, the Company's board intends to elect Mr. H. McIntyre Gardner, a director since 2010, as Chairman of the Board.


While I'd be fairly sure that Frontier will continue to develop as ULCC, IF Indigo were to buy Frontier there would be no conflict of interest with Spirit.

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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21004 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 9):
Indigo Partners is cashing up and getting out of Spirit and Indigo's William Franke is resigning from the Spirit BOD:

Well I guess that points more to this "deal" being with Indigo. Which will probably turn it into a Spirit clone   Guess I'll be using my award ticket that I earned soon.



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20986 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 10):
Well I guess that points more to this "deal" being with Indigo. Which will probably turn it into a Spirit clone Guess I'll be using my award ticket that I earned soon.

With Spirit or Frontier, one can get a sub $100 fare, one checked bag, one drink, all in for about $100, on a route from the Philly region (via TTN, ILG or ACY) to Chicago (MDW, ORD) with just 7-10 days advance purchase. The lowest Southwest will go on it's WGA, requiring a three weeks purchase in advance, is like $140 one-way. The legacies will match Southwest fares out of PHL to ORD even though WN flies to MDW.

I do find Frontier's seats comfortable. It'd be unfortunate to see if it adopted the high density configuration and truly turned to a Spirit clone, but those planes do fill either way and the goal is to still keep low fares while making a profit, so perhaps that measure to squeeze more rows will be adopted as the compromise. Tall people will just pay $10 for an aisle seat and have one leg sticking out for the flight.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 5):
As I said in my last post I think G4 would be willing to give TTN a shot, may only be to FL cities like SFB, PIE, and PDG but it would be something.

If F9 left, I'd think NK or B6 would consider service. Both like to do Florida service and F9 only proved these airports can get crowds.

[Edited 2013-07-29 16:11:53]

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Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20980 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 10):
Well I guess that points more to this "deal" being with Indigo. Which will probably turn it into a Spirit clone  

Well, maybe. The omens would seem to point in that direction - BB did say that the deal is contingent on certain third party events beyond Republic's control and I guess this could count as one such.

But Indigo or someone else, it's been made very clear that Frontier would evolve into ULCC. They tried being something else and regularly lost money.

All the hand-wringing from the Frontier old-timers seems to ignore that essential fact.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 10):
Guess I'll be using my award ticket that I earned soon.

Fair enough.

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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20945 times:
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Quoting Flytravel (Reply 11):
I do find Frontier's seats comfortable. It'd be unfortunate to see if it adopted the high density configuration and truly turned to a Spirit clone, but those planes do fill either way and the goal is to still keep low fares while making a profit, so perhaps that measure to squeeze more rows will be adopted as the compromise. Tall people will just pay $10 for an aisle seat and have one leg sticking out for the flight.

Being totally honest this is my worst fear as far as ULCC route goes. 28" inch pitch is just too low for me and while I'm tall, I think its not fun for short people either. If they were to keep stretch seating I may be able to live with that but if they go down the "Sardine Seating" path, I doubt they would stick to "Stretch Seating".



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20802 times:
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Well it appears F9 is being bought out by Indigo and will be a Spirit Airlines clone.
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...87324354704578638130697023770.html)

I wonder whether this makes TTN less viable, can't imagine all of the pax who are flying F9@TTN now will enjoy "Sardine Seating" (28" Non reclining seats). Will any other carrier enter TTN? Probably not. It would be great if B6 entered with MCO and FLL service they would have connections to AUS, LAX, SFO, CUN, Lots of places in the Carribean and Panama and Columbia.



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Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20797 times:
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Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 14):
I wonder whether this makes TTN less viable, can't imagine all of the pax who are flying F9@TTN now will enjoy "Sardine Seating" (28" Non reclining seats).

People fly Spirit in big numbers. Why wouldn't that same crowd fly Frontier?

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User currently offlineillinoisman From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20764 times:

New parking fees at TTN? Way to mess it up Freeholders...one of the only reasons people use the airport is free parking (it's certainly not the flight schedules). Never fails, once the government figures out they can charge for something, they immediately go forward without considering the consequences. The arrangement at the airport should be that the county build the garage and include the costs as part of the fees for F9 to use the airport. When the garage is paid off, the fees associated with the construction of the garage should drop. They are only building the garage so people can fly in and out on F9, and it provides a much needed/appreciated service to Mercer County. The county should not be in "business" to profit but only to provide service to it's community.

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Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20756 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 15):
People fly Spirit in big numbers. Why wouldn't that same crowd fly Frontier?

Sorry letting my personal feelings for Spirits pitch and customer service effect my thought process. I forgot $ is king over comfort to people.



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Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 20747 times:
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Quoting illinoisman (Reply 16):
The arrangement at the airport should be that the county build the garage and include the costs as part of the fees for F9 to use the airport.

The fly in that ointment is that Frontier would likely leave the airport if those fees were raised.

But last I heard, the Freeholders had postponed any decision on parking fees. perhaps I've missed something?

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 17):
Sorry letting my personal feelings for Spirits pitch and customer service effect my thought process. I forgot $ is king over comfort to people.

Myself, I wouldn't worry about any of this until it happens, and there is no deal for Indigo to buy Frontier yet. It seems possible, even likely, but it is not carved in granite.

More generally, any business needs to make money.

Back in about 2004/5 Frontier tried offering the goodies and yet it consistently lost money. Since it has headed towards ULCC it has changed its fortunes.

Same thing killed Midwest. People loved the goodies, but not enough of them and not paying high enough fares.

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[Edited 2013-07-30 14:03:07]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 20717 times:

Quoting illinoisman (Reply 16):
The arrangement at the airport should be that the county build the garage and include the costs as part of the fees for F9 to use the airport. When the garage is paid off, the fees associated with the construction of the garage should drop. They are only building the garage so people can fly in and out on F9, and it provides a much needed/appreciated service to Mercer County. The county

What garage. I'm under the impression TTN is building parking lot(s) at a much lower cost. When all is said and done I believe ther are suppose to be 1200+ parking spaces



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 20705 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 19):
What garage. I'm under the impression TTN is building parking lot(s) at a much lower cost. When all is said and done I believe ther are suppose to be 1200+ parking spaces

No its definately parking lots, there will be 4 of them. 3 will be major lots for passenger parking and the 4th will be a small lot for car rental, employees and a cell phone lot. Yes it will be approximately 1200+ spaces.

Quoting illinoisman (Reply 16):
one of the only reasons people use the airport is free parking (it's certainly not the flight schedules)

No its definately not for the schedules, but I'd say its

#1 Cheaper Price
#2 Convenience (Closer for most people and faster security)

FREE parking is a bonus.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20508 times:

Not to tread on on Jerseyguys thunder; it looks like TTN is going to remain open during the rehab for the small fliers. I suppose this means the terminal too. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ring_renovations.html#incart_river


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User currently offlineillinoisman From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20488 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
The fly in that ointment is that Frontier would likely leave the airport if those fees were raised.
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 19):
I'm under the impression TTN is building parking lot(s) at a much lower cost. When all is said and done I believe ther are suppose to be 1200+ parking spaces.

Great, so when F9 pulls out like every other commercial airline that's been there, the folks will be stuck with the bill.


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Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20477 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 21):
Not to tread on on Jerseyguys thunder; it looks like TTN is going to remain open during the rehab for the small fliers. I suppose this means the terminal too.

Not a Problem, Gent. It would be good if the terminal was open, it would help me get shots of the construction though, with the parking lots being redone it might not happen. Though I am less interested now with the possibility of F9 squeezing in more seats if the Indigo deal goes thru. Hoping F9 keeps stretch seating at a decent price as that might get me to continue to use TTN.



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Quoting illinoisman (Reply 22):
Great, so when F9 pulls out like every other commercial airline that's been there, the folks will be stuck with the bill.

Pretty much except I think it fits in with its new ULCC model, its costs are low and its an alternate to EWR and PHL. Plus I think if F9 would pull out someone like G4, NK, or even perhaps B6 with flights to FL that could connect in MCO or FLL to the Caribbean.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20589 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
The fly in that ointment is that Frontier would likely leave the airport if those fees were raised.
Quoting illinoisman (Reply 22):
Great, so when F9 pulls out like every other commercial airline that's been there, the folks will be stuck with the bill.

In my mind F9 raised the bar and committed itself to TTN for the long haul by entering into the five year lease when they could have exercised a one or two year extension option in the original lease. With that said the airline biz makes me scratch my head sometimes.

From my vantage point F9 is too far in at TTN to let it go. And why should they? The market according to everything I've read is far exceeding expectations.

The new lease changes the playing field. Although there is likely one or more escape clauses F9 would still be required to pay a decent amount to terminate the lease. There aren't too may TTN left out there at least domestically.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 20339 times:

I took a look at the RITA transtats for TTN for April 2013. The May stats should be published in the next few days. As suspected MCO is the #1 traveled market. TTN&Airport_Name=Trenton,%20NJ:%20Trenton%20Mercer&carrier=FACTS" target="_blank">http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airport...:%20Trenton%20Mercer&carrier=FACTS

Curiosity got the best of me so I checked MCO stats and had to do a double when I saw PHL came in #3 and EWR # 4 from MCO across all carriers who fly the routes. TTN being snuggled roughly between both.



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Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20496 times:
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Not bad a 89% load factor for April when they started all the Non-FL routes and Easter was in March this year as well
We don't know what the yield was but getting people to start traveling out of the airport is good.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20098 times:

On F9 ULCC side Southern Airways Express http://www.iflysouthern.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pubDsp.dspAboutUs might be a potential code share partner for F9 out of MSY
with MSY having feed from both DEN and seasonally form TTN. I'm assuming Southeast Airways Express validates parking at MSY because to my understanding parking cost at MSY unless another airport is used.

The carrier operates two focus cities at MEM and Destin Florida. As a regional it sort of mimics a K5 clone. I'm still educating myself on their fleet.

Southern Airways Express at a regional level borrows the free parking ideology at TTN (at least for now) by flying to smaller airports who offer free parking (14 day max). The carrier also does not charge a baggage fee. As a charter operator they promise faster boarding times.

Southern Airways Express flights are public charters, regulated under 14 CFR Part 380, and are subject to Department of Transportation public charter regulations.

Southern Airways Express received consideration status for smarter-travel.com



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User currently offlineTHEFLLFLYER From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20043 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 28):
On F9 ULCC side Southern Airways Express http://www.iflysouthern.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pubDsp.dspAboutUs might be a potential code share partner for F9 out of MSY
with MSY having feed from both DEN and seasonally form TTN. I'm assuming Southeast Airways Express validates parking at MSY because to my understanding parking cost at MSY unless another airport is used.

The carrier operates two focus cities at MEM and Destin Florida. As a regional it sort of mimics a K5 clone. I'm still educating myself on their fleet.

Southern Airways Express at a regional level borrows the free parking ideology at TTN (at least for now) by flying to smaller airports who offer free parking (14 day max). The carrier also does not charge a baggage fee. As a charter operator they promise faster boarding times.

Southern Airways Express flights are public charters, regulated under 14 CFR Part 380, and are subject to Department of Transportation public charter regulations.

Southern Airways Express received consideration status for smarter-travel.com

One problem.....

Southern does not serve MSY. It serves NEW.


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Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19979 times:

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 29):
One problem.....

Southern does not serve MSY. It serves NEW.

Well that does create a sort of problem. I suppose F9 could move their ops to NEW NEW/Lakefront-Airport" target="_blank">http://skyvector.com/airport/NEW/Lakefront-Airport . I don't know if NEW has terminal facilities but it does have three runways; 18/36 being 6,879' x 150'

If that F9 has served SDH just about anything is possible.

For the adventurous type; land at MSY and sightsee out of NEW.

The aerial photo reminds me of Sitka, Alaska minus the mountains



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Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19948 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 30):
I don't know if NEW has terminal facilities but it does have three runways; 18/36 being 6,879' x 150'

The historic art deco terminal building should re-open soon...possibly next month.

http://theadvocate.com/news/neworlea...-148/art-deco-lakefront-airport-to

Southern Airways Express uses the FlightLine First FBO which is just across the way from the main terminal.

I remember in late 90's the airport director of NEW was courting HP for PHX service. They eventually added New Orleans but, not surprisingly, to MSY instead.

F9 to NEW would be a real long shot.


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Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19714 times:
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They've put KTTN up at LIVE ATC
Listening currently to F9 920 from RDU

http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=KTTN

and ILG as well though there is a major hiss on the line
http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=KILG



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19651 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 32):

Kudo's to the Ham radio (or equivalent) operator in the region who agreed to piggy back to host the signal.

[Edited 2013-08-12 07:58:25]


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Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 19537 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 32):
They've put KTTN up at LIVE ATC

Because the LIveATC broadcast supports both the TTN ground and tower. I'm assuming we should hear the hand off from PHL to TTN.

I'm currently watching the ATL-TTN flight and a little further behind it is the MSY-TTN flight on flight aware with LiveATC minimized in the background.



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Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 19504 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 34):
Because the LIveATC broadcast supports both the TTN ground and tower. I'm assuming we should hear the hand off from PHL to TTN.

Yep, earlier today I heard "Frontier 933 (TTN-ATL) contact Philly Departure on one two four dot three five"
Its not too long only a few minutes after cleared for takeoff that they do the hand over.

Oh and they are also doing maintenance around the fence near the threshold of Runway 34..

[Edited 2013-08-12 17:56:14]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 19126 times:

Courtesy LAXIntl SCASD thread. It look like TTN has applied for SCASD grant funding

Trenton, NJ
County of Mercer seeks $500,000 in grant award supplemented with $32,000 in local contribution to implement a ground transportation service, and intermodal transportation study. Lack of adequate mass transit options negatively impacts the marketability and ability to attract and accommodate additional air service at Trenton-Mercer Airport. With grant funding the county seeks to offer shuttle service connecting the airport terminals with one or more regional transportation hubs for rail and other bus lines offering more efficient access to the airport. Additionally airport seeks to fund a long term study in cooperation with other agencies to better align the regions intermodal transportation system.



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Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19058 times:

Flying into TTN tonight on F9 from Atlanta, seat map makes it look decently full (I know that's no indication of financials)


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User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2031 posts, RR: 14
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19008 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 35):
Yep, earlier today I heard "Frontier 933 (TTN-ATL) contact Philly Departure on one two four dot three five"
Its not too long only a few minutes after cleared for takeoff that they do the hand over.

Yep, they go to Philly Departure...heard FFT907 come off TTN while I was flying yesterday.


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Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 18601 times:

the TTN parking verdict appears to be in http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...n-mercer_airport.html#incart_river


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Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18547 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 39):
the TTN parking verdict appears to be in

How does this proposed parking fee differ from the Philly airport charges?


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Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18540 times:
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Quoting Frontier14 (Reply 40):
How does this proposed parking fee differ from the Philly airport charges?

Pretty well. The PHL parking charges differ depending on where you park:

http://www.phl.org/passengerinfo/dir...sparking/Pages/parkingGarages.aspx

"SHORT TERM (GROUND LEVEL):

Daily Rate: $40.00

FARE STRUCTURE
$4.00 up to .5 hours
$6.00 up to 1 hour
$8.00 up to 1.5 hours
$10.00 up to 2 hours
$12.00 up to 2.5 hours
$15.00 up to 3 hours
$17.00 up to 3.5 hours
$20.00 up to 4 hours
$40.00 up to 24 hours

GARAGE PARKING (UPPER LEVELS):

Daily Rate: $20.00

FARE STRUCTURE
$4.00 up to .5 hours
$6.00 up to 1 hour
$8.00 up to 1.5 hours
$10.00 up to 2 hours
$12.00 up to 2.5 hours
$15.00 up to 3 hours
$17.00 up to 3.5 hours
$20.00 up to 24 hours

REMOTE PARKING:

ECONOMY PARKING (Remote exterior lot located past Terminal F)

Daily Rate: $11:00

FARE STRUCTURE
Flat rate: $11:00

Blue & White shuttle buses are available 24 hours a day to and from the terminal.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 18512 times:

A few airports including BNA and JNU (Juneau) make the first 15-30 minutes of short term parking free. BNA offers 15 and JNU was 30 at one time. I can't remember ever using JNU in that I lived 2.2 miles from the airport at BNA its about 55 miles from my families abode.

At 16 and 31 minutes respectively the meter goes cha-ching. That toilet trip at BNA needs to be quick or you'll pay dearly. IMO TTN should follow the 30 minute model.

I think TTN needs to tread easy; they still have the proposed PFC fee in the pipeline. Off the three tiers of parking at BNA the overflow lot cost $9 a day with a shuttle to the terminal on a ten minute schedule. I may tip the driver a dollar or two.



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Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18473 times:
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I'm happy to see that the new parking rates are capped at $10. Though with Mr. Hughes seeming so insistent on wanting the $12 cap, I don't know if the starting fees are going to be on the low side of things. A $5 parking seems a reasonable charge especially since it is in front of the terminal and won't require a shuttle bus. Price will probably go up a bit in a year when they see that they aren't getting numbers they might have expected to get now that it is no longer free.


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Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18450 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 42):
IMO TTN should follow the 30 minute model.

no need for the 30 minute model as they will have a cell phone lot, as long as the person picking you up stays with their car, you can take as much time in the bathroom as you want. Unless you are talking about people stopping in to the airport to go to the bathroom in which case, who does that?



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User currently offlineIllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18426 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 43):
Price will probably go up a bit in a year when they see that they aren't getting numbers they might have expected to get now that it is no longer free.

That's what makes it ironic. They won't need the extra parking as soon as they begin charging as people will then get dropped off rather than pay the fee. Parking should have remained free and F9 should have picked up the construction tab as part of their expansion into TTN.


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Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18421 times:
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Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 45):
Parking should have remained free and F9 should have picked up the construction tab as part of their expansion into TTN.

What an odd idea. It's airport infrastructure, not airline infrastructure.

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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 18367 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 44):
no need for the 30 minute model as they will have a cell phone lot, as long as the person picking you up stays with their car

Does the TTN cell phone waiting area have porta-potties. BNA doesn't. That's were the 15 minute free short term parking comes in handy.

BNA also offers a ten minute free parking/ waiting area outside of baggage claim which mirrors what you describe at TTN. The driver must remain with the vehicle with the trunk raised. Each of the 20 or so spaces are on a sensor and reset when a new car enters for ten minutes.

The Metro Nashville Airport Authority police have a foot cop whose walks a beat up and down the entire lenght of the terminal They enforce it and will make you leave when your ten minutes expire. The driver need only to circle the airport once for another ten minutes provided there is a space. Anything longer than 20 minutes should be in the cell waiting area anyways.



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Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 18317 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 47):
Does the TTN cell phone waiting area have porta-potties. BNA doesn't. That's were the 15 minute free short term parking comes in handy.

I didn't think about if the driver was running late. Looks like there will be no free parking though as this other article quotes a $2 per hour $4 to $10 max a day rate. This of course raises the question is there any part of the resolution that requires that it start out at $4 and if so how long must it be at $4? If they are charging $2 an hour, that means anything over an hour is a full day rate??

http://www.trentonian.com/article/20...-ipads-and-parking-fees#full_story
(9th paragraph)

[Edited 2013-08-21 21:17:45]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days ago) and read 17931 times:

Times of Trenton Letter to the Editor concerning the parking fees at TTN http://www.nj.com/times-opinion/inde..._of_trenton_letters_to_th_803.html

There is also a nice slide show of pictured under the writers letter.



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Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17795 times:
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Some people are intresting, the guy lives close enough, he can spit and hit the runway but he's going to travel the extra time and pay the extra money to drive to either Phildelphia or Newark to fly Southwest. He complains they are going to charge for parking at Trenton and that he has to board without a jetway. They charge at the "bag fly free" airline airport and a umbrella only costs a few bucks these days. If he doesn't like paying for parking he can get a ride, I'm sure it will be alot easier to convience someone to drive 20 minutes round trip in very easy traffic vs 1:30 to 2:00 round trip to Newark or Philly. If I lived 10 minutes from the airport, I'd be using it, not complaining about a few things that don't matter much.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 17730 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 50):
he can spit and hit the runway but he's going to travel the extra time and pay the extra money to drive to either Phildelphia or Newark to fly Southwest.

I learned along time ago people who write Letters to the Editor are looking to the media as a venting post. I liken it to a tweet on steroids.

I'm not sure if it would be anymore advantageous to commute to PHL or EWR vs paying the baggage fee. I rule out his argument about the parking in that PHL and EWR both charge parking. My advise to the writer would be to suck it up and pack light if F9 flies to an airport where he needs to go. Look for discounts in other regions. Groupon perhaps.

Any update on the proposed airport PFC yet? It seems to be moving at a snails pace. A concern is both will be implemented at the and really pis# off the region.

On a more notable note I mentioned some time ago the TTN airport authority should invite food truck to the airport. The craze is catching on elsewhere; courtesy USA Today. http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...+Constant+Contact&utm_medium=email



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Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 17505 times:
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A couple of small things - TTN is getting a new firetruck/emergency response vehicle, courtesy of the FAA:

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...or_emergency_response_vehicle.html

"Trenton-Mercer Airport in Ewing granted $880,000 for emergency response vehicle"

The other doesn't directly affect TTN yet. And perhaps it never will - but:

The money that was put up to guarantee Frontier financially at BMI for the first year has all been returned to the investors, unused:

http://www.pantagraph.com/business/l...01a4bcf887a.html?comment_form=true

"High on CIRA’s wish list is an East Coast destination, after it received a $500,000 federal grant, augmented with $200,000 in revenue and in-kind marketing services from the airport and CASI."

I think Frontier should put its hand up for that money, for BMI-TTN.  

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Reply 53, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17341 times:
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Small rumblings from Bucks County NIMBYs

Yardley residents irked about increased flights and subsequent noise from Trenton-Mercer Airport

http://www.buckslocalnews.com/articl...8c358837401.txt?viewmode=fullstory

Trenton-Mercer Airport official addresses complaints about noise, hours of operation
http://www.buckslocalnews.com/articl...3b613184757.txt?viewmode=fullstory

[Edited 2013-08-28 13:32:38]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 17256 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 53):
residents irked about increased flights and subsequent noise from Trenton-Mercer Airport

Why would anybody buy a house near the airport and then complain about noise? Trenton is after all the State Capital.

TTN may not have had large jet air service when they purchased their home. If noise was an issue I would certainly ask myself how is the landscape going to look like in 10-15 years.

The same goes with fairgrounds and race tracks etc.



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Reply 55, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 17221 times:
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The Orchard Hill development (Ludlow Rd) in Yardley, PA where the officals say that they are getting a good amount of complaints is southwest of the runway less than 2 miles from the threshold of Rwy 6 and pretty close to the flight path. Now normally they land from the other direction but I was on a flight in early february from MCO that probably flew right over there house.

They live less then 1 minute before touchdown if they use rwy 6. In this video its probably somewhere around the 0:30-0:45 mark.

http://youtu.be/vrSrBDZhNXE

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Reply 56, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17019 times:
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Now it appears the Yardley (PA) town council will be complaining to their House and Senate representatives to deal with the complaints. They also floated the idea of funding local NIMBY group "Bucks Residents for Responsible Airport Management" (BRRAM).

Quoting news article:
“They are landing over my house at 1:30 a.m. and there is nothing illegal about it,” said Barry Gaudet of Yardley.

On a frequent basis, probably not, has it ever happened, perhaps when a night flight gets delayed.

Quoting News Article:
“I don’t think there was any kind of environmental impact study towards local residents, let alone population from the jet fuel that is going to be dispersed over this area,” he said. “Most small airports say there is a 6-square-mile radius of population just from the takeoffs and landings.”

What is he saying?? 6 mile radius of population?? What about places like Chicago Midway, they have alot more flights out of there and theres no problem, houses are even closer to the runway too.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/00redesig...d-d85a-5001-a3c0-2e8764520d6a.html

[Edited 2013-08-29 20:37:00]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 16860 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 56):
They also floated the idea of funding local NIMBY group "Bucks Residents for Responsible Airport Management" (BRRAM).

I suppose the anti-NIMBY's could call themselves AWARE or Airline-Wishing-Angry-Residents-Evacuate. I'm sure I could come up with something for WHINERS too.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16458 times:

The frugal in me was searching for other coupons and ran across what appears to be a couple of coupons from ILG and TTN. http://www.retailmenot.com/view/frontierairlines.com

One F9 coupon offers double miles from ILG to any destination. Another offers triple miles between ILG (Wilmington) and RSW. Some of these may appear on the F9 URL; some may be exclusive to the URL above.

Another idea in my marketing mind might be to offer a coupon for one piece of checked luggage be it free or discounted on the retail-me-not.com URL above.

Although I had to plug in three different coupon codes to find one which worked I was able to take advantage of a 25% discount offered by budget rental car for my wife while she was traveling last week.



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Reply 59, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 16250 times:
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Seems like our good friends over at the Bucks Residents for Responsible Airport Management (BRRAM), are threatening a lawsuit against Trenton-Mercer Airport to stop the planned renovations to the terminal and parking lot. They want an a temporary injunction before there case is heard. I don't believe they are going to get it as an injunction would cause irreparable harm to Frontier and the county because they need to cease service to perform the renovations and any other time would cause additional economic penalties as they already need to shut down for the installation of the federally required EMAS system on the runways. The FAA has previously shut them down in April and apparently they aren't happy with the results.

http://www.buckslocalnews.com/articl...52596244009.txt?viewmode=fullstory



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Reply 60, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15977 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 59):
Seems like our good friends over at the Bucks Residents for Responsible Airport Management (BRRAM), are threatening a lawsuit against Trenton-Mercer Airport to stop the planned renovations to the terminal and parking lot.

Interesting wording in the article:

"Currently, BRRAM is filing a lawsuit seeking a preliminary injunction to halt any TTN scheduled improvement work and Frontier service expansion until our case [on] non-compliance is heard in federal court,” the flyer reads."

"halt Frontier service expansion" would suggest they're not trying to halt what service there is, just expansion of that service. I don't really see how they can, but anything is possible.

The hiatus is with us, the last flights are today. I guess Frontier has to be pretty pleased with all that has happened at TTN since those first 2 x weekly flights last November.

I'm intrigued they're keeping all the routes going through the winter (albeit reduced schedule for some) except TTN-MSY and - I'm told - that will come back in 2015, when they have more A319's in the fleet. Hope so, I like the route and it did quite well - better than many here said it would, for sure.

But I take the point - they have 2 x A319 "based" at TTN (schedule terms) and they have to send them where (a) they can do best and (b) as the schedule allows.

I'd like to have seen another TTN snowbird route added for this winter, but them's the breaks.

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Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15956 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 60):
I'm intrigued they're keeping all the routes going through the winter (albeit reduced schedule for some) except TTN-MSY and - I'm told - that will come back in 2015, when they have more A319's in the fleet. Hope so, I like the route and it did quite well - better than many here said it would, for sure.

If they operated all 10 routes this summer on 2 airplanes, and in November the 2 airplanes return to TTN, you'd think they would still be able to operate TTN-MSY right?


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Reply 62, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15943 times:
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Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 61):
If they operated all 10 routes this summer on 2 airplanes, and in November the 2 airplanes return to TTN, you'd think they would still be able to operate TTN-MSY right?

Not if they're sending the aircraft to LAN or if they add a couple of - say - Florida frequencies. I dunno, I'm not an Aircraft Scheduling Wallah.

I do know the fleet is tight as a drum and there was even some ambivalence about LAN for that reason.

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Reply 63, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15803 times:
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Some commentary about the hiatus (and a possible afterwards) here:

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ontier_flights_for_two_months.html

"Construction at Trenton-Mercer Airport set to shut down Frontier flights for two months

Hughes said Frontier officials told him Trenton-Mercer had strong passenger rates for its first year. He believes Frontier may be interested in expanding its presence in the future by adding more destinations and increasing the number of flights to and from existing destinations, he said."


There are (presently) two comments on the article. One is a complaint about all those noisy "737's" flying over his house. The second wonders when he bought the house.  

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Reply 64, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15781 times:
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Quoting NJ.com article,:
Currently passengers enter the airport and have to carry their bags down an escalator or a flight of stairs. The changes to the terminal will allow passengers to check their bags when they get their boarding passes on the entrance floor, Hughes said.

The construction also will affect the terminal’s holding area, where passengers wait for flights after going through security. The holding area has no restrooms, so anyone who needs to use the restroom while waiting must leave the secured area and go through a second security check, Hughes said.

After construction the terminal will have two holding areas, with restrooms, so passengers waiting for different flights may be separated, he said.


I'm glad to see that flying out of TTN will not require you to bring your bags down the stairs to the TSA check point. And it also looks like they will have 2 distinct gates to board multiple flights out of. All positive signs for TTN. As long as any NIMBY lawsuits don't tie up too much money in legal fees looks like a bright future for Mercer County and Frontier.



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15776 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 60):
I'd like to have seen another TTN snowbird route added for this winter, but them's the breaks.

Given the moderate possible success of TTN-RDU for F9, I'd like to see TTN-CLT. If anyone has seen what the fares are on PHL-CLT and EWR-CLT nonstop, they'd know that there needs to be a lower fare option. WN ceased the PHL-ATL-CLT connections as well, over a more laborious PHL-MDW-CLT. I don't think US will retaliate if F9 does 4-5x weekly out of TTN.


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Reply 66, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15756 times:
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Quoting Flytravel (Reply 65):
Given the moderate possible success of TTN-RDU for F9, I'd like to see TTN-CLT.

I think Frontier has a lot of choices at TTN.

Given the success at BMI - none of the revenue guarantee was used - and given that BMI has a SCASD grant for east coast service, I think BMI-TTN is something they should be looking at:

http://www.pantagraph.com/business/l...01a4bcf887a.html?comment_form=true

"Frontier succeeds in first year; CASI refunds incentive money

High on CIRA’s wish list is an East Coast destination, after it received a $500,000 federal grant, augmented with $200,000 in revenue and in-kind marketing services from the airport and CASI."


But I could probably make a case for TTN-CVG as well, and a few others.

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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15548 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 63):
There are (presently) two comments on the article. One is a complaint about all those noisy "737's" flying over his house. The second wonders when he bought the house.


I'm sure there are a lot of 737's; they just happen to be flying over at 35,000 feet. On the worst day TTN see's what; five or six daily departures stretched across an eighteen hour period . The ATL-TTN flight being the latest as I recall after 10 PM but before midnight.

As of today (Monday in the U.S.) there are 17 comments on the NJ.com site. Why someone would buy a home near or on a potential flight path in the vicinity of airport and then whine about it escapes me. Trenton is the state capital. How many state capitals don't have regular scheduled airline service. One that I can think of.

I also picked up on Brian Hughes statement the TTN airport parking would settle at or near $5 a day for long term parking.

I'm still waiting to hear about the TTN PFC application at the FAA. Because PFC are administrative in nature they are usually a rubber stamped. I suspect TTN is expecting approval which might explain the lower $5 parking fee.



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Reply 68, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15419 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 67):

I'm still waiting to hear about the TTN PFC application at the FAA. Because PFC are administrative in nature they are usually a rubber stamped. I suspect TTN is expecting approval which might explain the lower $5 parking fee.

I don't think the public will much notice the $4.50 PFC as it will become hidden in the price because Frontier has to show the price including the PFC on its website. If anything people will think that F9 has increased its fares by $9. As far as the parking goes, I believe they can't charge too much for parking unless they go to a 2 tiered system with a bigger parking lot in the remote parking area. Then they might be able to charge $10 for terminal parking and $6 ($1 to pay for the shuttle service) for economy parking but without the option to park for $6, they need to keep it relatively low. Unless F9 starts offering more flights I think we will see parking go up by $1-$2 in the future just because they are not going to be getting the number of people parking there as they did when it was free.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15341 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 68):
F9 starts offering more flights I think we will see parking go up by $1-$2 in the future just because they are not going to be getting the number of people parking there as they did when it was free.

Interesting the locals would choose PHL or EWR over TTN for a few dollars. It would cost that amount in gas, potential tolls and parking (if its not a kiss and ride) to drive to the other airports. Add to that time and the traffic delays and the possibility of a missed flight on a super saver fare.

The traffic in the area around EWR was horrendous around the Bayonne, NJ in the early afternoon quite a few years ago. I doubt it has changed that much.

I realize PHL and EWR more destinations and frequency are offered from the other airports. Frequency is not that much of an issue as I would schedule my flight around the day of week the trip is offered.



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Reply 70, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14977 times:

Not being familiar with PATH (N.J. mass transit) Does the proposed extension of the PATH link to EWR effect TTN? http://www.railwayage.com/index.php/...nsion-to-get-new-jersey-nudge.html

http://www.panynj.gov/path/maps.html It looks like Amtrak would stop Newark Penn Station and flyers could then switch to PATH which would carry them to EWR.



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Gent, PATH just links people from Jersey City Area and Lower Manhattan (Wall Street Area) Manhattan to Newark Penn Station where they can pickup Amtrak for long trips south like Philadelphia or Washington DC and NJ Transit for trains to various suburban areas south and west of the city including the Jersey Shore, Morristown and Princeton Area. Anyone wanting to travel to TTN from Lower Manhattan can do that via Newark Penn Station right now.

The extension to the PATH makes it easier for people in Jersey City/Hoboken and Lower Manhattan to get to EWR without having to make 2 connections and pay 2 fares. Now from Wall Street/World Trade Center Area one would have to take the PATH to Newark Penn Station transfer to NJ Transit (technically they could also take Amtrak but no one would because it would cost more and take no more time) to the Newark Airport Station and then transfer to the Airtrain for another 7-12 minute ride to the terminals. This means that they can now take the PATH to the Newark Airport Station and then the Airtrain. Saving them time and money to get to EWR.

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Reply 72, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14710 times:

More of the same I suppose on the TTN parking fee saga. In the mojo arena I found it somewhat funny Friday 13th was chosen to formerly pass/impose the parking fee

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...n-mercer_airport.html#incart_river



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This is my favorite line of the whole article true politician.

"Once this is paid off, the county may be able to use the revenue generated from the parking for other expenses, both in and out of the airport, he said."

Also it looks like the NIMBYs are now whining in 140 characters or less  

http://twitter.com/BrramOrg

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Reply 74, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14535 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 73):
"Once this is paid off, the county may be able to use the revenue generated from the parking for other expenses, both in and out of the airport, he said."

In the choose your words carefully arena I suspect he means other airport projects both in and outside of the airport; on the airport grounds. Perhaps use the PFC for inside terminal improvements and parking fee revenue for external projects.

In my mind it should be a revolving/reimbursable type account with no contingency or rainy day fund aspect. I liken it to the way the federal oil spill liability trust fund is managed where once the fund reaches its mandated funding threshold the spicket is turned off. This offers some relief to flyers who use the the airport.



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Reply 75, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14486 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 74):
In the choose your words carefully arena I suspect he means other airport projects both in and outside of the airport; on the airport grounds. Perhaps use the PFC for inside terminal improvements and parking fee revenue for external projects.

I sure hope so. In thinking about it more, I would concede its would be fair to pay back the county for any projects that didn't come out of the airport's budget. Such as, I'm wondering where the money for the remote parking shuttle came from. I hope he means projects such as the shuttle to the SEPTA station and the Trenton Transit Center once the SCASD grant were to run out , hopefully we would get the SCASD grant to start the shuttle and study in the first place.

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Reply 76, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14235 times:
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More in the NIMBY noise dispute at Mercer County will make a presentation on Thursday and providing "an overview of the airport and what has transpired from when we got Frontier Airlines (in 2012) to where we are today"

Holly Bussey a BRAAM officer plans to attend to find out the airports intentions.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/00redesig...8-0ebf-5107-829b-86ce723a9719.html



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Reply 77, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14285 times:

Always the NIMBYs. There would still be NIMBYs if they were to replace the entire Amtrak Northeast Corridor with TGVs and close TTN entirely.

Did the NIMBYs complain when JT8D-equipped aircraft were flying in and out of TTN?

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Reply 78, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14255 times:
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Quoting YQBexYHZBGM (Reply 77):

Ms Bussey can be seen on her facebook page on the back of her husband/boyfriend's (he's in the pic) Motorcycle and we all know they don't make any noise at all  



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Reply 79, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14195 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 76):
More in the NIMBY noise dispute at Mercer County


From the story "BRRAM, believes the Federal Aviation Administration should have ordered an Environmental Impact Statement after Frontier Airlines began providing service from Trenton-Mercer in November 2012"

As much as it hurts me to say it; BRAMM may actually have a valid argument about the EIS or Environmental Impact Statement. Although tasking the EIS with the FAA is a stretch IMO.

On the federal side the EIS is usually obtained from the requesting entity through the planning or engineering component or both. In that no federal funding SCASD grant or otherwise was used to my knowledge to woo F9 to TTN I'm not convinced the FAA would have any involvement in obtaining the EIS. The way funding trickles down from the feds to the state will be the deciding factor. I'm not overly familiar with the EIS requirement at the state level. I know they are required for new construction. I'm guessing the airport be it managed at the state, county or city would normally be tasked with the EIS requirement if one exist.

As time allows I want to check the way federal highway funding trickles down to the states for Interstate funding. I have a hunch any EIS responsibility follows the money.

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Reply 80, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14176 times:

I make my living dealing with EISs. Unless there was state or federal money invovled, or new construction (minor terminal renovations don't qualify), I doubt that an EIS would be required. But, I'm sure there is a lawyer someplace who will disagree.

Eastwind had a lot more flights out of TTN than F9 does currently, did they not?

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Reply 81, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14171 times:
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Mercer County did have a EIS done back in the 2000s regarding a 44,000 sq 2 gate modern facility being built. In February 2006, a FONSI-ROD (Finding of No Significant Impact/Record of Decision) was issued for this plan. It was withdrawn on June 9, 2008 because they had not taken action on the facility because the carrier they were doing it (Southwest) was no longer interested (and probably under pressure from BRAAM)

http://www.faa.gov/airports/eastern/...thdrawing%20-%20final%20signed.pdf

This was a NEW terminal not just a refurbishments of the old terminal which is what this is. As you can read from the FAA Order the EIS dragged on for 6-7 years. Which is what I assume BRAAM wants in order to drive out Frontier. Crossing my fingers that doesn't happen.



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Reply 82, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14152 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 81):
In February 2006, a FONSI-ROD (Finding of No Significant Impact/Record of Decision) was issued for this plan. It was withdrawn on June 9, 2008 because they had not taken action on the facility because the carrier they were doing it (Southwest) was no longer interested (and probably under pressure from BRAAM)

The FONSI was issued as a result of the startup that was preparing for ops there.

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...harter_airline_ready_to_fly_s.html

"In early 2006, a start up airline called DJ Air Group showed serious interest in the airport but dropped out of the picture later that year."


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Quoting YQBexYHZBGM (Reply 80):
Unless there was state or federal money invovled, or new construction (minor terminal renovations don't qualify), I doubt that an EIS would be required. But, I'm sure there is a lawyer someplace who will disagree.

BRAAM was actually told their concerns were unfounded by the FAA when they complained in April (aka pound sand)



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Reply 84, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14094 times:

Quoting YQBexYHZBGM (Reply 80):
I make my living dealing with EISs

Lets hope Canada and the U.S share the same EIS views. I would think they would.



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Reply 85, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13968 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 84):
Lets hope Canada and the U.S share the same EIS views. I would think they would.

I work in both, and the requirements vary widely between the two countries, as well as from state to state and province to province. However, to my knowledge, none requires an EIS for resumption of service to an existing airport that has previously had passenger service unless there is federal or state funding involved, or there are substantial changes to the airport's facilities.

As I asked before, I believe Eastwind operated a heavier schedule out of TTN than Frontier does currently, did they not? Were there NIMBY complaints about Eastwind's operations?

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According to this article, they did operate a heavier schedule of nine flights a day (vs Frontier's 4 or 5) and there were complaints.

http://articles.philly.com/1996-07-0...ft-noise-noise-complaints-eastwind



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The scallywags (Happy Talk Like a Pirate Day) over at BRAAM seem to be getting attention from a larger news source today CBS3 in Philly.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...tudy-of-trenton-airport-expansion/



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Reply 88, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 13663 times:

The construction style of the TTN ATC tower leads me to believe the airport may at one time been a military airport in a previous life. Can anyone expand? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenton-Mercer_Airport

During World War II the nearby General Motors Corporation|General Motors plant ceased producing civilian vehicles and began making TBF Avenger bombers for the United States Navy. Skillman Airport expanded to accommodate test-flights of this aircraft,

The wiki articles leads to believe it was a joint use if not all military during WW II.



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I never thought that they would feel in competition with each other but today I saw a billboard for ACY. It was on I-95 South just before exit 3 (TTN general aviation exit). It said something like "Need a flight?.. We're Open" and the DO AC logo but with FLY AC. This is obviously ACY trying to capitalize from the TTN closure but I wouldn't think that the area is likely to have any ACY travel. Its atleast an hour and a half and the billboard is on the side of the road away from AC. If anything this should have been put on I-295 South somewhere between US-1 and I-195, it would catch the Princeton work crowd heading towards their homes closer to ACY.


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Reply 90, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13240 times:

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Interesting; I would have thought ILG would be the airport of choice during the TTN closure. It is quite a bit closer than ACY. With that said PHL is also in range.

I suppose more destinations are available from ACY and PHL when compared to ILG and that may be what the airport is pursuing. Having spent a little time in Cape May, ACY slows down this time of year.



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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 90):
Interesting; I would have thought ILG would be the airport of choice during the TTN closure. It is quite a bit closer than ACY. With that said PHL is also in range.

I suppose more destinations are available from ACY and PHL when compared to ILG and that may be what the airport is pursuing. Having spent a little time in Cape May, ACY slows down this time of year.

Yeah, Winter is the slow season in AC. What is interesting to me is that even during the high summer season when they have 10 destinations, why do they need 10 gates, they recently 2010 added 3 or 4 gates or something. Do they have alot of charters, I know Republic does casino charters but I can't imagine them using multiple gates.



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Reply 92, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13081 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 89):
TTN and ACY have common overlap: Brick/Toms River area, Philly/NE Philly, and Burlington/Camden/Gloucester
counties in So. NJ.

What I find odd is the self competing of TTN and ILG by F9 in some cases. I found ILG-MDW and TTN-MDW are both having Sunday departures in January-March next year with about the same departure time (mid-afternoon) but neither have Saturday service. So, one has to book WN or another carrier for Friday evening or Sat in order to make it a weekend trip to Chicago or from Chicago to the east.

Since F9 has interest in a crew base at MDW, I'd like to see more service but the self competing (same departure times) but no departures on other days can make it difficult. I'd also think MDW-ACY could be popular.

NK charges more in fare than F9 and NK's planes are full in the summer even with the very early morning flight out of ORD. NK only services ACY-ORD four months of the year, and ACY lacks west service most of the year.

[Edited 2013-09-23 14:53:35]

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Reply 93, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13044 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 91):
why do they need 10 gates, they recently 2010 added 3 or 4 gates or something. Do they have alot of charters, I know Republic does casino charters but I can't imagine them using multiple gates.

My initial thought leans me towards tactics and or strategy. AS gobbled up four of the five gates in Juneau and have them on a long-long term lease solely to keep other carriers from acquiring them.

AS uses three of the five gates they lease in Juneau on a recurring basis. The one remaining gate is remote and I mean remote. I believe DL used that gate until they pulled up stakes in September 1996. I've heard the drive up steps are still an option but I've never seen them used. It was so funny

Herb Kelleher who was active still active with WN was sighted in Juneau. Some thought he was there scoping out the airport. He was merely passing through on vacation to one of remote lodges.

I think F9 has done something similar in TTN correct?



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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 93):

I think F9 has done something similar in TTN correct?

Wouldn't surprise me, I'm not sure if it was an exclusive lease or more of a take up all of the capacity of the airport so no other airline can serve it. Now with a second gate becoming functional, they may be adding more flights, or perhaps that is what the 5 year lease was all about it gave them exclusive use.At the very least it allows them a little more scheduling flexability as 2 planes can be scheduled for the same time. Either way I can't wait to see how the terminal renovations turn out. Will be post security on November 10th and will post pics on my flickr account.

[Edited 2013-09-23 17:06:43]


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Reply 95, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12807 times:

More on the BRRAM EIS pursuit at TTN. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...airport_in_ewing.html#incart_river

"We want the airport to do an environmental impact study and determine if what they’re trying to do is legal,” said Bussey,

I may be a little shallow at times; I think airports are specifically built for airplanes; both large and small to take off and land I'm not sure if there is anything illegal about it.

I believe I saw a Interstate highway on JerseyGuys landing video in close proximity to the airport which creates quite a bit of noise 24/7. NJDOT may already have an EIS which covers highway construction the area around the airport.

I can't help but think why would anyone buy a home near an airport and not expect noise and a airport in a state capital at that. Perhaps Ms. Bussey is a mileage member on another air carrier.



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Reply 96, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12759 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 95):
I believe I saw a Interstate highway on JerseyGuys landing video in close proximity to the airport which creates quite a bit of noise 24/7

Yep, As a matter of fact, I-95 is only 575 feet from the threshold of Rwy 16. BRAAM is going to spend all this money on Lawyers, I don't understand why they don't spend it on soundproofing. It would solve there problem and put a small boost in the local construction economy.



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Reply 97, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12685 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 96):
I don't understand why they don't spend it on soundproofing.

An excellent idea. This might be a better course for BRAAM to steer towards. It ultimately comes down to decibel level created from the traffic on I-95 in relationship to the Bucks housing area. With that said soundproofing walls are not cheap. There may regulations on books covering noise. The state of Hawaii is anal about road noise in relationship to housing.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 96):
It would solve there problem

Unless BRRAM argument is the noise of low flights passing overhead. I suppose the state of NJ or the FAA could buy homes and tear them down or pay to have homes physically moved or lastly use Immanent Domain. In that the airport has been in its present location for a lot of years I can't help but think the local building and codes and or planning commission obeyed the rule book when those homes were It reals hard to miss and airport in your backyard.

If I understand correctly Bucks is actually in Pennsylvania and the airport is in N.J. The state line must be real close thus it could be a two state issue.



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Yep, the affected houses are only like 2 miles out. If I had to guess (i dont have my google maps tool right now) it's probably a little over a mile to the border as the crow flies.


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Reply 99, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12594 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 97):
If I understand correctly Bucks is actually in Pennsylvania and the airport is in N.J. The state line must be real close thus it could be a two state issue.

Yardley's North Main Street is approximately 2 miles from the RWY 6 threshold (and about 1.5 miles from the center of the Delaware River which marks the stateline boundary).

I live about 3.5 miles from the threshold of RWY 24 (for about 30 years) and will admit that I will hear some early departures quite clearly (depending upon weather conditions). Many F9 6 departures and 24 arrivals go over my neighborhood. Overall, I have found the two recent "big jet" services from TTN to be among the quietest, when compared to many of the corporate jets based in there. Personally, I don't mind them, though the helicopters (and I'm looking at you, J&J, Merck, BMS, NJSP, and NJANG) can really rattle the windows. I have neighbors who used to complain to the local papers about Eastwind and its 737-700's and recall talking with them outside one day when an Eastwind flight went overhead on approach to 24, unnoticed by them, and then a LearJet flew over and they said it was an Eastwind flight (eyes rolled). And, btw, these neighbors own a Harley which easily beats any jet flying into or out of TTN, especially on weekend mornings.

Been very quiet (dull) since they started working on the 6/24 EMAS  


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Here is a pic to give you an idea about the distance
1.7MI to NJ/PA Border
2.1MI to N. Main St in Yardley, PA




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Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12440 times:

I see NJ strategically placed a golf course on the opposite side of I-95 adjacent to the airport. That should be BRRAM focus be it the wrong state.

God forbid a golfer complain about jet noise inhibiting their golf game. That's right up there with an endangered species.



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Mercer County Freeholders consider an airport advisory committee that would allow airport users, local residents, chamber of commerce members and other parties to express their concerns. Though County Executive Brian Hughes doesn't seem to keen on the matter saying he would consider it in the future. I might be interested but I'm not sure I'd want to sit down with representatives of the BRAAM NIMBYs

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2..._about_trenton-mercer_airport.html



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Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 months 16 hours ago) and read 12188 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 102):
I might be interested but I'm not sure I'd want to sit down with representatives of the BRAAM NIMBYs

Who wants to be venting post. Leave your grenades at home.

Having lived on the Tennessee and Kentucky state-line for several years. When dual state issues such as this rear there heads the regulation of the state where the property in question is located usually prevails.

True story; XXX company wanted to construct a new rock quarry to harvest limestone and a few other items in Kentucky three miles across the state-line Nearby homeowners across the state line in Tennessee objected to the project for various reasons; pollution, noise and extra traffic being three of them. The firm told the Tennessee homeowners to go pack sand.

We are under the impression the Kentucky Mennonite (Amish) community and farm owners silently came to the rescue using some sort of federal land and title/deed statute on the books which says commercialism must keep its fair distance from Mennonite farms and away from the Mennonite lifestyle.

To this day the company has not begun construction of the rock quarry. I suppose this is best understood as a Mennonite EIS.



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Reply 104, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12028 times:

Courtesy the SCASD award thread Although I haven't check officially it appears TTN was unsuccessful in their SCASD application request. Kudos to poster Point2Point for taking the time to post the quite lengthy award list.

Trenton, NJ - TTN $500K DOT, $32K local, ground/intermodel transportation study/shuttle service for airport



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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 104):
Courtesy the SCASD award thread Although I haven't check officially it appears TTN was unsuccessful in their SCASD application request. Kudos to poster Point2Point for taking the time to post the quite lengthy award list.

Trenton, NJ - TTN $500K DOT, $32K local, ground/intermodel transportation study/shuttle service for airport

Oh well. I don't expect Mercer County to fund this by themselves, so I guess there won't be service, but perhaps Mercer could negotate a $10 fare to the West Trenton SEPTA station with a local cab service as it is only 1.2 miles and 4-5 minutes away from the terminal. The Transit Center is too far to make worth while.

[Edited 2013-09-27 18:47:47]


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Reply 106, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11949 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 105):
Oh well. I don't expect Mercer County to fund this by themselves, so I guess there won't be service, but perhaps Mercer could negotate a $10 fare to the West Trenton SEPTA station with a local cab service as it is only 1.2 miles and 4-5 minutes away from the terminal. The Transit Center is too far to make worth while.

With F9 vested interest in TTN as a sole source air carrier F9 could always purchase a hotel type shuttle van and operate the service as a courtesy on a continious schedule around their flights.

It seems to work for the hotels and rental car companies. 1.2 miles is next to nothing and reminds me of off airport rental car locations. I seem to recall the Trenton Marriott was also looking at purchasing a van between the airport and their hotel. Perhaps the two should join sides.



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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 106):
I seem to recall the Trenton Marriott was also looking at purchasing a van between the airport and their hotel. Perhaps the two should join sides.


Unfortunately, I doubt it is still in the market for a van as it is no longer a Marriott as of June when the contract wasn't renewed. Frankly it doesn't surprise me as I wouldn't stay there. As a matter of fact, I accidently got it on a Priceline bid when I needed to stay near Princeton. I was bidding hoping to get one of the TTN/Ewing Area Marriotts and forgot about the the downtown Trenton one. I rebid in the Princeton zone and scraped my other bid. I've heard so so reports bout the hotel and I certainly wouldn't venture outside after dark.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11831 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 104):
Kudos to poster Point2Point for taking the time to post the quite lengthy award list.

Thanks.

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 92):
What I find odd is the self competing of TTN and ILG by F9 in some cases. I found ILG-MDW and TTN-MDW are both having Sunday departures in January-March next year with about the same departure time (mid-afternoon) but neither have Saturday service. So, one has to book WN or another carrier for Friday evening or Sat in order to make it a weekend trip to Chicago or from Chicago to the east.

Since F9 has interest in a crew base at MDW, I'd like to see more service but the self competing (same departure times) but no departures on other days can make it difficult. I'd also think MDW-ACY could be popular.

NK charges more in fare than F9 and NK's planes are full in the summer even with the very early morning flight out of ORD. NK only services ACY-ORD four months of the year, and ACY lacks west service most of the year.

This is probably an area where F9 needs to concentrate its efforts to scheduling and fare. If NK is substantially getting more than F9 (let's set a standard here of 10% or more) then, let's say that NK can charge $112 for the same ticket that F9 can only get $100, I say a big problem exists. That difference can lead to about a couple of thousand dollars a flight, not small change in a marginal airline biz. Some serious analysis has to be given to this, but I have to wonder if it hasn't already been done and a solution hasn't been found? For the most part, F9 does have a better reputation than NK (I would think so, but then?) and I think that at least parity needs to be there.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 96):
BRAAM is going to spend all this money on Lawyers, I don't understand why they don't spend it on soundproofing. It would solve there problem and put a small boost in the local construction economy.

  

Anyone remember an old cigarette ad that had people saying that they would rather fight than switch? People just are too farsighted sometimes to see what's an obvious solution right in front of them. Maybe a letter to the editor in a local publication might inform some?

 


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Reply 109, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 11739 times:
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Quoting point2point (Reply 108):
This is probably an area where F9 needs to concentrate its efforts to scheduling and fare. If NK is substantially getting more than F9 (let's set a standard here of 10% or more) then, let's say that NK can charge $112 for the same ticket that F9 can only get $100, I say a big problem exists. That difference can lead to about a couple of thousand dollars a flight, not small change in a marginal airline biz. Some serious analysis has to be given to this, but I have to wonder if it hasn't already been done and a solution hasn't been found? For the most part, F9 does have a better reputation than NK (I would think so, but then?) and I think that at least parity needs to be there.

Atleast at TTN, I think they are trying to tweak it a bit and get rid of all the promo fares as they've now been in TTN for close to a year. Right now for Jan-Mar their low fare for TTN-MCO is $129 each way, while that might seem high, its not as high as you might think as EWR and PHL are very close to that (Between $119 and $125 though B6 includes 1 bag). I'm thinking that it might be a bit much by $15-20 each way, especially with TTN charging for parking although a couple bucks cheaper than EWR and PHL and their charging for drinks. The tie breaker seems to be the possible convenience of location. I'm interested to see how renovations turn out that might also be a plus.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11606 times:

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 92):
What I find odd is the self competing of TTN and ILG by F9 in some cases. I found ILG-MDW and TTN-MDW are both having Sunday departures in January-March next year with about the same departure time (mid-afternoon) but neither have Saturday service

Perhaps they might try one city on a Saturday and the other on Sunday. A airport to airport shuttle could be used between ILG and TTN if the loads need boosting. both airports are in range of each other.

I'm going back a few years; F9 did offer some sort of bus transportation to DEN to one or more hotels in the downtown area. Pehaps they might want to contract with Trenton transit authority which has a one or more buses with F9 advertisement painted on it.



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Reply 111, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11532 times:
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I just thought about this. Now that TTN reclaiming its 2nd gate and it is theoretically possible that 2 flights could depart at the same time or similar times, what will they do for a gate sign. You know the sign that says

FLIGHT 303
Chicago 1055am
ON-TIME

Does WFS have those? Will F9 be purchasing some? Do they have excess in storage somewhere

I'm hoping it will be one of the LEDs like one of these and not some cheap manual boards with the sliding name plates





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User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11514 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 110):
Perhaps they might try one city on a Saturday and the other on Sunday. A airport to airport shuttle could be used between ILG and TTN if the loads need boosting. both airports are in range of each other.

Eh, not really reliably. TTN-ILG by road is about 75 minutes with zero traffic and can be much more if there are issues on 95 in Philly. ILG-PHL is easy, but that doesn't help F9 any.

[Edited 2013-09-29 17:12:46]

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Quoting PHLwok (Reply 112):
Eh, not really reliably. TTN-ILG by road is about 75 minutes with zero traffic and can be much if there are issues on 95 in Philly. ILG-PHL is easy, but that doesn't help F9 any.

I agree TTN and ILG are too far apart for a shuttle, winter I wouldn't be concerned about weekend trips as tourism is down and most of the people going ILG or TTN to MDW are going to be VFR, Starting in April they need to have a Friday morning (8-9am) flight to MDW and a late Sunday from MDW flight (7pm-8pm) to make that happen to MDW might have to be a 3pm-4pm flight on Sundays. Anyone wanting a weekend in Chicago. can take Friday off from work. In winter from TTN that desination should be MSY or some other warmer destination, though I don't think MCO fits as a weekend spot. Perhaps FLL.



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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11343 times:
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Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 89):
I never thought that they would feel in competition with each other but today I saw a billboard for ACY. It was on I-95 South just before exit 3 (TTN general aviation exit). It said something like "Need a flight?.. We're Open" and the DO AC logo but with FLY AC.

I got a shot of it, sorry about the quality but the sign is one of those electronic rotating message ones and it may have been starting to change,




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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11312 times:
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On the BRAAM Facebook page they have this shot of a Frontier plane over their house (I guess the main guy).

Two Questions
1, Can we confirm this is a A319 and likely Frontier (I know it probably is)
2. At what altitude do you think this plane is at?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...1_653975751293664_2128817810_o.jpg

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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3156 posts, RR: 6
Reply 116, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11285 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 115):
1, Can we confirm this is a A319 and likely Frontier (I know it probably is)
2. At what altitude do you think this plane is at?

That's pathetic. Even chemtrails are ineffective at that altitude.  

Seriously hard to say what altitude, depending on how much zoom he used. Can you imagine if all of Morris County acted like this for the approaches to EWR?

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Reply 117, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11207 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 113):
I agree TTN and ILG are too far apart for a shuttle, winter I wouldn't be concerned about weekend trips as tourism is down and most of the people going ILG or TTN to MDW are going to be VFR, Starting in April they need to have a Friday morning (8-9am) flight to MDW and a late Sunday from MDW flight (7pm-8pm) to make that happen to MDW might have to be a 3pm-4pm flight on Sundays. Anyone wanting a weekend in Chicago. can take Friday off from work. In winter from TTN that desination should be MSY or some other warmer destination, though I don't think MCO fits as a weekend spot. Perhaps FLL.

But the kids might not be able to miss school on Friday. I like the TTN-RDU schedule and a weekend trip can be done on either side without the loss of a full day off of work, such as Friday evening-Sunday evening. It seems Saturday service out of TTN and ILG is for Florida markets, but if F9 could get one plane to MDW on Sat morning or Friday evening, along with the keeping the Sunday service, that would be an improvement in the schedule to Chicago.

Chicago can be experienced arriving early on Sat, leaving late on Sunday and one hotel night in the Gold Coast, but staying two nights is better way to experience the city. There's also VFR ties with the large markets involved.

The route that I'm still mystified is TTN-CMH. I can't imagine 2x weekly and not even weekend oriented, working well. And, the fares seem very low that it's likely not sustainable. If F9 charges a fare it can money from then the leisure pax would just drive. Maybe student traffic to Ohio State or the person who can't drive (like a grandparent) would support this flight, but I can't think of many scenarios. Columbus also isn't that large of a market and it's within an 8 hour drive. There is likely stronger ties to No. Carolina than Ohio, with NJ residents often moving to NC for lower cost of living, warmer weather and professional purposes.

I'd think TTN-CLT replacing TTN-CMH would make sense if replacing flight for a flight at about equal distance, and F9 could easily charge $80-$100 on the low end rather than $40-$50 that it charges for CMH, and still fill a plane. The PHL-CLT and EWR-CLT fares are way higher that F9 becomes a sought after bargain.


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Reply 118, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11164 times:

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 112):
Eh, not really reliably. TTN-ILG by road is about 75 minutes with zero traffic
Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 113):
I agree TTN and ILG are too far apart for a shuttle,

According to http://www.travelmath.com/flights/ fifty nine miles separate ILG and TTN. My not being a local you guys would know better.

From my abode in Tennessee to BNA is 53 miles and takes 60-75 minutes traveling through downtown Nashville with three major Interstates running through it; I-40 being one of them which is a major East/West corridor with a lot of semi traffic and a lot of construction usually. BNA sits on I-40 During the road construction we tend to use an alternate route. We've been driving that fifty three miles for thirty five years in that my home town has no regular schedule airline service.

My thoughts were even there were road traffic delays if F9 managed the shuttle they could hold a flight at either airport for a short time.

In KTN (Ketchikan, Alaska) who relies on a airport ferry to carry pax to the airport runs on a fifteen minute schedule in both directions. It can be late when the weather gets crappy which is most of the time in that KTN is the rainiest city on the North American continent. Now you know why they wanted that bridge to supposely nowhere.


In Juneau from my abode to airport is three miles which takes all of ten minutes.



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Reply 119, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11139 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 118):
From my abode in Tennessee to BNA is 53 miles and takes 60-75 minutes traveling through downtown Nashville with three major Interstates running through it; I-40 being one of them which is a major East/West corridor with a lot of semi traffic and a lot of construction usually. BNA sits on I-40 During the road construction we tend to use an alternate route. We've been driving that fifty three miles for thirty five years in that my home town has no regular schedule airline service.

What you want EAS service because you have to travel an hour and 15 minutes from the airport? Maybe Frontier will come and bring its ULCC service.



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User currently offlinen75jyv From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10964 times:

I was on Scotch Road this past weekend and saw the EMAS construction in progress. Anyone know how it is progressing? Piles of dirt, construction equipment, and what looked like some pipes sticking out of the ground. The construction seems right up to the base of the ILS antenna. I didn't have time to swing by the opposite end... are they doing both installations at the same time?

And, the bigger question: does the government shutdown have any impact on construction funding? Will they have to halt work, and if so, is there any buffer between planned completion and F9's planned November restart?


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Reply 121, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10923 times:
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Quoting n75jyv (Reply 120):
I was on Scotch Road this past weekend and saw the EMAS construction in progress. Anyone know how it is progressing? Piles of dirt, construction equipment, and what looked like some pipes sticking out of the ground. The construction seems right up to the base of the ILS antenna. I didn't have time to swing by the opposite end... are they doing both installations at the same time?

Yes, I've been at the other side near the Rwy 6 threshold off of Bear Tavern road and they are working, or atleast they had equipment and alot of dirt, didn't notice if they had any pipes sticking up out of the ground.



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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10805 times:
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PA House representative Steve Santasiero requests EIS from FAA for TTN.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/00redesig...1-d785-5464-98fd-53ce60594352.html

Seems like they can't file a lawsuit so this is the way they are doing it. In addition to the FAA already denying their request this past April and the partial shutdown of the FAA I don't think they will have a response before F9 resumes it's service November 8th.



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User currently offlinen75jyv From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10605 times:

Just drove by both ends of 6/24 and past the terminal on Sam Weinroth Road. EMAS construction is in full swing on both ends (on a Saturday morning) and progress looks good.

Could not turn into the terminal from Sam Weinroth, but saw that adjacent parking lot construction is also underway. No obvious signs of work on the terminal building itself, but I assume it is mostly interior work. Wasn't there supposed to be something done externally for baggage claim?


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Reply 124, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10571 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 122):
PA House representative Steve Santasiero requests EIS from FAA for TTN.

I found a little interesting reading material. http://www.wacaz.com/services/airport-development-analysis/ It reads like the the FAA has determined FONSI or Finding Of No Significant Impact. TTN may want to get a noise decible reading from the housing area(s) in the path of the airport.

I'm going to stick by my understanding on dual state issues in this case a representative from Pennsylvania addressing a issue in New Jersey holds the same amount of water a leaky pail. http://www.epa.gov/compliance/basics/nepa.html

The FAA URL has a section dedicated to environmental requirements http://www.faa.gov/airports/resource...tions/orders/environmental_5050_4/



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Reply 125, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10534 times:
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With 34 days left to go until TTN reopens, and with no lawsuit filed to stop it, I'm going to assume that even the BRRAM lawyers aren't confident in their case and have advised them to try this before taking any legal action which might result in an adverse ruling.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 126, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10476 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 125):
With 34 days left to go until TTN reopens, and with no lawsuit filed to stop it

Possibly due the federal government shut down.

I keep reading the word "significant" impact in the EIS reading I do. I don't see a high flying aircraft it close to significant; perhaps annoying. With that said significant might mean two different things to two different groups.

On the noise side; the picture I saw posted on this thread a few days ago leads me to believe the A319 flying overhead had to be a good 4000-5000 feet in altitude. If I were TTN I might conduct some random noise samplings from the neighborhoods which should go along way and put this to bed. City building and codes enforcement and even police department conduct those.

On the pollution side (what I know as sight and smell EIS) I see a jet flying over a lot less harmless than a factory spewing carbon from a smoke stack If memory serves me Pennsylvania is famous for steel.



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Should Trenton take notice of this comment?

From the Phoenix Business Journal
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...franke-looks-to-take-frontier.html

"Franke said Frontier will not follow Allegiant’s model of servicing smaller U.S. markets that often do not have direct service. Allegiant has service to Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport, as well as markets such as Rockford, Ill., Clearwater, Fla., Bozeman, Mont., and Des Moines, Iowa."



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10339 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 127):
Should Trenton take notice of this comment?

Westerner or not IMO Mr. Franke would be a fool dismantle TNN; a sole source niche market between two larger metropolises.

His statement is sort of broad and leaves quite a bit to be the imagination. What I think he is saying he won't necessarily go to small markets solely because they are small.

If he plans on changing the name and I hope he doesn't Because he mentioned bargain basement in the article. He might want to buy the Filene's brand name and re-moniker the airline with it. Filene's continues to be well recognized name even though it is in bankruptcy http://www.filenesbasement.com/



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Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10329 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 127):
From the Phoenix Business Journal
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n....html

Such a curious comment from the article:

“We believe in the ultra-low-cost model,” said Franke. He added that airline industry consolidation could open opportunities for new and low-cost players in markets.

Now, it isn't a direct quote, but it's kind of a puzzle for me here.

FIrst, most airline mergers to this point have happened, per se.... .DL/NW, UA/CO, WN/FL and decided but only awaiting final approval is AA/US...... what else can there be? There are no more domestic airline mergers on the horizon here, or are there? Does something here imply a future tense about airline industry consolidation, or I am reading too much into this, which isn't even a direct quote and maybe sloppy journalism?

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 127):
"Franke said Frontier will not follow Allegiant’s model of servicing smaller U.S. markets that often do not have direct service. Allegiant has service to Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport, as well as markets such as Rockford, Ill., Clearwater, Fla., Bozeman, Mont., and Des Moines, Iowa."

Note - AZA does not have G4 or any other carrier service to Clearwater, Fla, and Des Moines, Iowa, correct?

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 127):
Should Trenton take notice of this comment?

Maybe.... but not in the way that you're thinking, I think........

 


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Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10323 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 127):
Should Trenton take notice of this comment?

If TTN is profitable, it will stay. If it isn't profitable, or potentially so, then I guess there would be a question mark over it.

Same with ILG, I guess, but the flights to Florida and Denver are packed.

Quoting point2point (Reply 129):
“We believe in the ultra-low-cost model,” said Franke. He added that airline industry consolidation could open opportunities for new and low-cost players in markets.

Now, it isn't a direct quote, but it's kind of a puzzle for me here.

It is possible that the merger of AA and US - if eventually approved - will create some opportunities.

mariner

[Edited 2013-10-06 13:00:46]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10282 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 129):
Note - AZA does not have G4 or any other carrier service to Clearwater, Fla, and Des Moines, Iowa, correct?

Correct. the commas between the cities lead me to believe the author is saying G4 serves those cities not necessarily from AZA. http://www2.allegiantair.com/interactive-routemap

"Allegiant has service to Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport, as well as markets such as Rockford, Ill., Clearwater, Fla., Bozeman, Mont., and Des Moines, Iowa."

G4 is very Southwest and Southeast driven. They have yet to connect the S.W. with the S.E. Maybe someday. I've heard them referred to as the four corners airline as in the U.S.



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Quoting mariner (Reply 130):
If TTN is profitable, it will stay. If it isn't profitable, or potentially so, then I guess there would be a question mark over it.

Just as extension of that, I would be surprised - as in fall over in shock - if Franke had not been made aware that Frontier was extending the TTN contract to five years, and he may even have given it the nod. I'm told he is not short of an opinion.

Maybe this applies to the various moves that Frontier has made over the last few weeks. I think he might protest if he saw something he really didn't like - he's going to have to pay the bills for it if this goes through.

mariner

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User currently offlineTHEFLLFLYER From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10104 times:

Frontier extended its schedule to June 12, 2014 today. The press release says:

In addition, Frontier is increasing frequency of service from Trenton-Mercer Airport in Ewing, NJ (TTN) to the following cities:
Atlanta, Ga. (ATL)
Chicago-Midway, Ill. (MDW)
Detroit, Mich. (DTW)
Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (FLL)
Fort Myers, Fla. (RSW)
Orlando, Fla. (MCO)
Tampa, Fla. (TPA)

Does anyone know if these flights are all going daily? Also did CMH and RDU get the boot?


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Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10074 times:

Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 133):
Does anyone know if these flights are all going daily? Also did CMH and RDU get the boot

It looks like the following for these city pairs

TTN - ATL 5X
TTN - MCO 5X
TTN - MDW 6X

Frontier 14


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Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10034 times:
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Quoting THEFLLFLYER (Reply 133):
Also did CMH and RDU get the boot?

The website shows TTN-CMH returning to 3 x weekly for the summer.

TTN-RDU stays at 5 x weekly for the winter, then goes to 6 x weekly in May. I don't know why it isn't on the list.

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Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9964 times:
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TTN-ATL from 4X to 5X (New summer frequency never been at 5X)
TTN-MDW back up to Spring/Summer frequency from 4X to 6X
TTN-MCO remains at 5X except appears to go DAILY for March and April (Spring Break season)
TTN-TPA remains at 3X except appears to go 4X Mid-Feb thru end of April (Spring Break season)
TTN-DTW goes to 4X mid-feb thru end of schedule from 3X
TTN-FLL goes to 4X mid-feb thru end of april (Spring Break Season)

Big thing is if only for 2 months looks like TTN has its first DAILY service MCO

*Update 505pm 10/7/13-Frontier (CB) via facebook confirms the daily service for "spring break"

[Edited 2013-10-07 14:07:33]


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Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9922 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 136):
Big thing is if only for 2 months looks like TTN has its first DAILY service MCO

For a few Saturdays in that period the website shows it is double daily - 2 x on those Saturdays.  

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Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9894 times:
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I just got some information from an employee of WFS at TTN.

2 things
1. He thinks that the new terminal renovation will include a FIDS system. You know a flight departure/arrival board. That would be great if true.

2. TTNs Jetway does work but F9 doesn't want to use it. Don't know the details but could possibly be due to the steps or increased costs of operating and maintaining the jetway.

I did not know this but apparently TTN has a LOGO. Its on the sign at the General Aviation entrance on Scotch Road it should really be at the commerical terminal entrance on Bear Tavern.





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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9789 times:

Do we know if TTN-MSY is coming back? If memory serves me the discontinued seasonally. I was under the impression the loads were decent.


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Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9783 times:

I believe MSYTristar asked someone at MSY and F9 told them they might be back on the route in 2015.

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Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9739 times:

So at peak season, does anyone know an average of how many daily F9 flights will there be to/from TTN? Or how many birds F9 will use here?

 


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Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9677 times:
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Quoting point2point (Reply 141):
So at peak season, does anyone know an average of how many daily F9 flights will there be to/from TTN? Or how many birds F9 will use here?

The TTN schedule is usually operated by two aircraft - not always the same aircraft, they rotate them through.

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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9668 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 142):
The TTN schedule is usually operated by two aircraft - not always the same aircraft, they rotate them through.

So it's a couple of birds that F9 uses here, and I'm guessing with maybe anywhere from about 3-5 flights to-XXX daily and 3-5 from-XXX daily that will make up the TTN shedule?

 


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Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9656 times:
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Quoting point2point (Reply 143):
So it's a couple of birds that F9 uses here, and I'm guessing with maybe anywhere from about 3-5 flights to-XXX daily and 3-5 from-XXX daily that will make up the TTN shedule?

I'm not a Schedule Wallah, but something like that. Last summer I thought it was about five flights a day.

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User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9557 times:

Good to see DRO (Durango) coming back for the summer season too !

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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9501 times:
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No more 1 stop flights for TTN-DEN. Looks like if you want to go west you need to go to ILG.


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Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9479 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 146):
No more 1 stop flights for TTN-DEN. Looks like if you want to go west you need to go to ILG.

Hmmm? I'm seeing the one-stops on the website in May and June.

TTN-MDW #915 connects to MDW-DEN #541 with a 48 minute layover and DEN-MDW #534 connects to MDW-TTN #916 with a 45 minute layover - operates 5 days a week.

TTN-MDW doesn't fly on Saturday and the connection doesn't always work on Tuesdays.

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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 146):

I accept that to mean ILG should be sticking around for awhile. From my vantage point its not a unreasonable commute. What scares me though is PHL which offers more frequencies daily is also in range. If I'm going to drive to ILG from TTN
I might as well drive to or at least consider PHL. I suppose fare cost will dictate who does what.



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Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9466 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 147):
TTN-MDW #915 connects to MDW-DEN #541 with a 48 minute layover and DEN-MDW #534 connects to MDW-TTN #916 with a 45 minute layover - operates 5 days a week.

Sorry I meant no direct same plane same flight number service TTN-DEN. When I flew to Chicago last may, it was flight 907 service to Chicago continuing service to Denver. Now one has to deplane and reboard even if they use the same plane.



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Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9399 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 149):
Sorry I meant no direct same plane same flight number service TTN-DEN.

Ahhh - now I understand. Fleet jiggling, I suppose.

I'll be pleased when the fleet loosens up a bit and Frontier can switch out of defensive mode - when not every now route has to be gangbusters from Day One in order to enhance the prospects of sale.

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Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 150):
when not every now route has to be gangbusters from Day One in order to enhance the prospects of sale.

With that has to come a mindset change by the flying public which is integral part the ULCC model.



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NEW SERVICE to/from Trenton

Starting February 12, 2013
TTN-CLT 4X Weekly SUN, MON, WED, THUR
TTN-CVG 3X Weekly MON-WED-FRI

This comes this same time as the upping of FLA cities for Spring Break. I'm thinking 3rd aircraft and more announcements for after Spring Break time is over.

[Edited 2013-10-09 09:47:00]


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Reply 153, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9265 times:
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Frontier Airlines Adds Service from Trenton-Mercer Airport to Charlotte, N.C. and Cincinnati, Ohio
http://news.flyfrontier.com/press-re...ice-trenton-mercer-airport-charlot

Introductory fares as low as $39* available only at FlyFrontier.com

DENVER--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Frontier Airlines today announced it will expand its low-fare service at Trenton-Mercer Airport (TTN), in Ewing, N.J., with the addition of nonstop service to Cincinnati, Ohio and Charlotte, N.C., both beginning Feb. 12, 2014. To celebrate this announcement, Frontier is offering fares as low as $39* each way through Oct. 20, 2013.

Frontier is the only airline providing scheduled service out of Trenton-Mercer Airport, the gateway to New Jersey’s state capital, all of central New Jersey, and Southeast Pennsylvania, including metro Philadelphia.

The addition of these two cities brings Frontier’s total nonstop destinations served from Trenton-Mercer Airport to 11: Atlanta; Charlotte; Chicago-Midway; Cincinnati; Columbus; Detroit; Fort Lauderdale; Fort Myers; Orlando; Raleigh-Durham; and Tampa.

“This is a great day for consumers as we bring two new low-fare options to the Trenton/Princeton area, providing a time and money saving option to even more customers throughout the region,” said Daniel Shurz, Frontier’s senior vice president, commercial. “Customers who fly from Trenton-Mercer Airport can enjoy a newly upgraded airport with fewer hassles and convenient parking compared with other airports in the region.”

"By adding these new routes to Charlotte, N.C. and Cincinnati, Ohio, Frontier continues to strengthen its network for travelers in the Mercer County region, going from 9 destinations to 11," said Mercer County Executive Brian M. Hughes. “As we gear up for the grand re-opening of an improved Trenton-Mercer Airport on Nov. 8, we eagerly welcome back Frontier, its loyal customers and all those who are excited to fly Frontier at Trenton-Mercer."

Following is the schedule for Frontier’s Charlotte service**:

Trenton/Princeton- Charlotte (beginning Feb. 12, 2014)
Route Departs Arrives Frequency Aircraft
TTN-CLT 5:35 p.m. 7:10 p.m. Mon/Wed/Thurs/Sun A319
CLT-TTN 7:50 p.m. 9:30 p.m. Mon/Wed/Thurs/Sun A319


Following is the schedule for Frontier’s Cincinnati service:

Trenton/Princeton- Cincinnati** (beginning Feb. 12, 2014)
Route Departs Arrives Frequency Aircraft
TTN-CVG 2:10 p.m. 4:05 p.m. Mon/Wed/Fri A319
CVG-TTN 4:45 p.m. 6:25 p.m. Mon/Wed/Fri A319


All Frontier flights from Trenton/Princeton will operate on 138-seat Airbus 319 aircraft, which offer great customer amenities, including five rows of comfortable STRETCH seating with an additional six inches of legroom, and the airline’s SELECT seating product. Frontier’s website, FlyFrontier.com, offers the guaranteed best fares and is the only place STRETCH and SELECT seating is available at the time of booking.

In addition to saving money at Trenton-Mercer Airport (TTN) customers also save time. Conveniently located near exit 2 on I-95, Trenton-Mercer Airport allows customers to avoid the hassles, delays and lines often found at other Northeast airports. When the airport reopens on Nov. 8, it will feature additional parking, improved baggage service, increased capacity at security and a gate area featuring additional seating, restrooms and food and drinks.

For more information or to purchase a Frontier flight, visit FlyFrontier.com, where Frontier guarantees you will find the best travel value for Frontier flights.

Sign up for email updates at FlyFrontier.com/email-alert to receive special discounts and promotions only available to Frontier’s email subscribers. Special offers are also available by following us on Twitter at Twitter.com/FlyFrontier or by liking us on Facebook at Facebook.com/FlyFrontier.

Frontier Airlines is a wholly owned subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (NASDAQ:RJET).

*All transportation fees and taxes included.

**Flight times vary by day of the week. Visit FlyFrontier.com for the full schedule.

Terms and Conditions

Tickets must be purchased by 11:59 p.m. Eastern time, October 20, 2013. Fares are one way for domestic travel February 12 through May 20, 2014. Roundtrip purchase not required. Fares are valid from origin to destination only. Seats are limited at these fares and certain flights and/or days of travel may be unavailable. Depending on the fare type purchased, nonrefundable tickets may be transferred for a fee of up to $50, or reissued for alternate flights for a fee of up to $75, as well as a possible fare increase. The name change fee and itinerary change fee are not exclusive of each other. Previously purchased tickets may not be exchanged for these special fare tickets. Flight segment(s) must be cancelled prior to scheduled departure time or the ticket(s) and all monies will be forfeited.

Fares reflect purchase at FlyFrontier.com. Tickets purchased at FlyFrontier.com or by calling Frontier’s reservations centers must be paid for at the time the reservation is made, but may be cancelled for a full refund without penalty up to 24 hours after the time of purchase. Depending on the fare type purchased, up to a $25 fee may be charged each way for the first piece and up to a $30 fee each way for the second piece of checked baggage. Fares shown include all transportation fees, surcharges and taxes, and are subject to change without notice.

Some markets do not offer daily connections. Due to schedule changes, markets may not connect throughout the valid travel period. Schedules are subject to change without notice.

Flights are operated by Frontier or Republic Airlines. Some flights may require a connection. Other restrictions may apply.



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3156 posts, RR: 6
Reply 154, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9253 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 152):
TTN-CVG 3X Weekly MON-WED-FRI

Presumably NOT competing with MMU-LUK and MMU-CVG 4-5 days a week on Ultimate Air. Different market.   I need to find an excuse to try Ultimate Air some day. Thus far, I have next to no reason to fly to Cincinnati.

But, happy to see more service for TTN.

-Rampart