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How Did Baggage Claim Work Circa 1950?  
User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6865 posts, RR: 7
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

American Aviation 1 August 1955:

"One of the biggest melees in recent times around Washington National Airport occurred when the airlines experimented with the self-claiming baggage system that has been so successful at Denver and other points, and about which we've written before. We're told that the relatively small baggage room at WNA was in a continual uproar as crowds of people tried to find their bags. Also, only one exit door was used, where baggage tags were being checked, and the jam was terrific."

What did this replace? How did passengers retrieve checked bags before this?

When did carousel precursors start? When did carousels as we know them now start?

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20728 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Some of the older airports in California that I flew into operated on the basis of a tug bringing trailers of luggage lined up in open bins to an outdoor covered luggage area. Fresno (FAT) was still using this system well into the 1970s/80s. They'd just park the tug in the designated area for your flight, and everyone would just start grabbing their bags off of it.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19924 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6635 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Some of the older airports in California that I flew into operated on the basis of a tug bringing trailers of luggage lined up in open bins to an outdoor covered luggage area. Fresno (FAT) was still using this system well into the 1970s/80s.

SBA used it into the 2000's. I haven't used the baggage claim at the new SBA, but I'd assume it's conveyor-run.


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6202 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Some of the older airports in California that I flew into operated on the basis of a tug bringing trailers of luggage lined up in open bins to an outdoor covered luggage area

MSY also had this system as late as the 70's. In fact a lot of airports use this basic system even today. They just have conveyors indoors that move the luggage to rotating conveyors for passenger pickup. At ORD you can hear the tugs behind the wall bringing in baggage to the passenger pick up carousels.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 3):
MSY also had this system as late as the 70's. In fact a lot of airports use this basic system even today. They just have conveyors indoors that move the luggage to rotating conveyors for passenger pickup. At ORD you can hear the tugs behind the wall bringing in baggage to the passenger pick up carousels.

As I recall, the first time I flew into MCO after I hired on in the 70s, the system was like this.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

I wonder if the airlines way back when had baggage rooms where the passenger dropped off and picked up their luggage the same way the railroads do it at larger terminals?

User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Some of the older airports in California that I flew into operated on the basis of a tug bringing trailers of luggage lined up in open bins to an outdoor covered luggage area. Fresno (FAT) was still using this system well into the 1970s/80s. They'd just park the tug in the designated area for your flight, and everyone would j

Its still this way in many regional airports within the pacific and new zealand.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5733 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 3):
At ORD you can hear the tugs behind the wall bringing in baggage to the passenger pick up carousels.

MIA, FLL, and LGA come to mind, too. Baggage that is terminating is just driven to the belt, while connecting baggage is introduced to the baggage system (at least at MIA) to hopefully get to its destination.


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5686 times:

Back in 1990 in MCE, baggage claim was opening the gate between the ramp and the parking lot on the side of the terminal and pushing the baggage cart into the parking lot.

BTW in MCE, the ticket counter, gate and the baggage office was all the same. The terminal building was about the same size as a single family house.  


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5668 times:
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Quoting bohica (Reply 8):
BTW in MCE, the ticket counter, gate and the baggage office was all the same. The terminal building was about the same size as a single family house.  

LOL, I remember going there for first time in 1979 for an air show. Waling into the terminal reminded me also of a house.
When I returned there in late 1990s, flying SkyWest from LAX, I was not shocked that hardly any changes had taken place. New paint, carpet and United Express sign instead of Golden Gate lol.



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User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 836 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5635 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Some of the older airports in California that I flew into operated on the basis of a tug bringing trailers of luggage lined up in open bins to an outdoor covered luggage area.

MRY does this too.

Departed from KBFF (Scottsbluff, NE) a few weeks ago and enjoyed the same ticket agent/baggage slinger/gate agent/aircraft marshaler/luggage loader and unloader person. She was strong! Great Lakes is certainly getting their value from her.

(Very) Small town airport make flying fun again.


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5605 times:

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 9):
Waling into the terminal reminded me also of a house

The old terminal at SHV was about that size too. It had the same platform where luggage appeared on the side of the terminal near the front door. The building was now a FBO last time I was in there. I wonder if that's still the case.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 11):
The old terminal at SHV was about that size too. It had the same platform where luggage appeared on the side of the terminal near the front door. The building was now a FBO last time I was in there. I wonder if that's still the case.

Haven't been back there in quite awhile (not since they remodeled the terminal), so I couldn't say. When I worked there in '80-'82 for DL we had the "newish" terminal and the old terminal was an FBO plus DL's cargo office was located in that building, also. I worked with guys there with enough seniority to have worked in that building.



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5500 times:
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Here's some pictures of baggage being picked up at the old HNL FIS in the 1950's:

http://goo.gl/qFIW3L

http://goo.gl/u15jeE

http://goo.gl/hY4v3A

http://goo.gl/K7OXrF

Here's one from the 1970's

http://goo.gl/sANAvp


User currently offlineeuropean742 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

Hehe, picking bags off the back of a truck, I know this is a much smaller scale but St Mary's airport on the Scilly Isles still does this! Mind you I imagine many airports of similar size still do.

User currently offlinea320fan From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

I remember pulling our luggage from the trailers at LST in 2007. took a while to sort through a whole 737-800 worth of luggage!


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User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
Its still this way in many regional airports within the pacific and new zealand.

  



User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Passengers at SEA waiting for their bags in the 1950s.

http://www.portseattle100.org/images/1950_1959/Baggage%20Claim%201950s.jpg

Photo from the following site.
http://www.portseattle100.org/map-and-timeline/1950-1959


User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1106 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 10):
Departed from KBFF (Scottsbluff, NE) a few weeks ago and enjoyed the same ticket agent/baggage slinger/gate agent/aircraft marshaler/luggage loader and unloader person. She was strong! Great Lakes is certainly getting their value from her.

(Very) Small town airport make flying fun again.

TURN THE WAY BACK MACHINE to the summer of 1967...46 years ago. I witnessed the same scene at BFF, only it was a very young man as the ticket agent. baggage man/gate agent/ aircraft marshaller/ luggage unloader and loader. Three people got off and one got on the Frontier DC-3 as its days were winding down with FAL. The equipment has changed but small town America air service hasn't changed in half a century....


User currently offlineTheCheese From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3595 times:
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Quoting ha763 (Reply 13):
Here's one from the 1970's

http://goo.gl/sANAvp

I remember HNL looking like that on my first trip to Hawaii, in March 1974. Also the luggage areas on Maui and Kauai being similar, though much smaller than at HNL.


User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
I wonder if the airlines way back when had baggage rooms where the passenger dropped off and picked up their luggage the same way the railroads do it at larger terminals?

CHA had a baggage room with a claim window, having a low countertop where they lined up bags to be claimed. The window wasn't very big so if you didn't see your bag, you rang a bell and a worker came and asked you what kind of bag you had, and fetched it for you. If you rang the bell and nobody answered, you just let yourself into the baggage room and looked around until you found it. They were still using this system in the mid-1980s, the last time I flew into there.


User currently offlinenomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting timz (Thread starter):
When did carousel precursors start? When did carousels as we know them now start?

TWA had their first carousels at LAX and the new Trans World Flight Center at IDL in 1962


User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6865 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Airlift, November 1961:

"Baggage Carousel, first of its kind at a U.S. airport, is now in operation by United Air Lines at San Francisco. Unit is 25 ft. in diameter and rotates at 1.2 rpm"

Says the first one was at Montreal's new terminal-- made by Mathews Conveyor Co of San Carlos CA.

LAX's new terminals had just opened-- wonder what they did at the beginning?


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

WYS (West Yellowstone, Montana) in 2013:
Yellowstone To Zion On OO: EM2, CRJ And The Subway (by redzeppelin Jul 16 2013 in Trip Reports)

http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r577/bigredzeppelin/subway/DSCN1717.jpg
http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r577/bigredzeppelin/subway/DSCN1724.jpg



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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
They'd just park the tug in the designated area for your flight, and everyone would just start grabbing their bags off of it.

This was true in Lawton OK (LAW) into the 90s.

Dave



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25 knope2001 : In case any of this sound primitively chaotic, it's probably no worse than RJ passengers claiming gate-check bags in the jetway these days.
26 Post contains images dlramp4life : the old baggage claim area in BLI
27 zippyjet : Though maybe off topic a bit for this thread; I remember as late as 1976 much of the baggage claim area at MIA was open air! And this may hve been pr
28 ThirtyEcho : On DC-3s, I simply walked around to the aft baggage hold, pointed out my bag to the agent and had him hand it to me.
29 aklrno : I'm pretty sure LAX had carousels when the current airport opened. The design would not allow for a tug to pull luggage to bag claim, it is undergrou
30 type-rated : In 1967 when Chicago remodeled MDW for the first time they didn't have a true carousel, but one of those tracks with the rotating disk that moved the
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