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How Did Baggage Claim Work Circa 1950?  
User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6835 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

American Aviation 1 August 1955:

"One of the biggest melees in recent times around Washington National Airport occurred when the airlines experimented with the self-claiming baggage system that has been so successful at Denver and other points, and about which we've written before. We're told that the relatively small baggage room at WNA was in a continual uproar as crowds of people tried to find their bags. Also, only one exit door was used, where baggage tags were being checked, and the jam was terrific."

What did this replace? How did passengers retrieve checked bags before this?

When did carousel precursors start? When did carousels as we know them now start?

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6739 times:

Some of the older airports in California that I flew into operated on the basis of a tug bringing trailers of luggage lined up in open bins to an outdoor covered luggage area. Fresno (FAT) was still using this system well into the 1970s/80s. They'd just park the tug in the designated area for your flight, and everyone would just start grabbing their bags off of it.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19709 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Some of the older airports in California that I flew into operated on the basis of a tug bringing trailers of luggage lined up in open bins to an outdoor covered luggage area. Fresno (FAT) was still using this system well into the 1970s/80s.

SBA used it into the 2000's. I haven't used the baggage claim at the new SBA, but I'd assume it's conveyor-run.


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5043 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6152 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Some of the older airports in California that I flew into operated on the basis of a tug bringing trailers of luggage lined up in open bins to an outdoor covered luggage area

MSY also had this system as late as the 70's. In fact a lot of airports use this basic system even today. They just have conveyors indoors that move the luggage to rotating conveyors for passenger pickup. At ORD you can hear the tugs behind the wall bringing in baggage to the passenger pick up carousels.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6032 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 3):
MSY also had this system as late as the 70's. In fact a lot of airports use this basic system even today. They just have conveyors indoors that move the luggage to rotating conveyors for passenger pickup. At ORD you can hear the tugs behind the wall bringing in baggage to the passenger pick up carousels.

As I recall, the first time I flew into MCO after I hired on in the 70s, the system was like this.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5043 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5913 times:

I wonder if the airlines way back when had baggage rooms where the passenger dropped off and picked up their luggage the same way the railroads do it at larger terminals?


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User currently onlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5895 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Some of the older airports in California that I flew into operated on the basis of a tug bringing trailers of luggage lined up in open bins to an outdoor covered luggage area. Fresno (FAT) was still using this system well into the 1970s/80s. They'd just park the tug in the designated area for your flight, and everyone would j

Its still this way in many regional airports within the pacific and new zealand.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3354 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5683 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 3):
At ORD you can hear the tugs behind the wall bringing in baggage to the passenger pick up carousels.

MIA, FLL, and LGA come to mind, too. Baggage that is terminating is just driven to the belt, while connecting baggage is introduced to the baggage system (at least at MIA) to hopefully get to its destination.


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

Back in 1990 in MCE, baggage claim was opening the gate between the ramp and the parking lot on the side of the terminal and pushing the baggage cart into the parking lot.

BTW in MCE, the ticket counter, gate and the baggage office was all the same. The terminal building was about the same size as a single family house.  


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 8):
BTW in MCE, the ticket counter, gate and the baggage office was all the same. The terminal building was about the same size as a single family house.  

LOL, I remember going there for first time in 1979 for an air show. Waling into the terminal reminded me also of a house.
When I returned there in late 1990s, flying SkyWest from LAX, I was not shocked that hardly any changes had taken place. New paint, carpet and United Express sign instead of Golden Gate lol.



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User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Some of the older airports in California that I flew into operated on the basis of a tug bringing trailers of luggage lined up in open bins to an outdoor covered luggage area.

MRY does this too.

Departed from KBFF (Scottsbluff, NE) a few weeks ago and enjoyed the same ticket agent/baggage slinger/gate agent/aircraft marshaler/luggage loader and unloader person. She was strong! Great Lakes is certainly getting their value from her.

(Very) Small town airport make flying fun again.


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5043 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 9):
Waling into the terminal reminded me also of a house

The old terminal at SHV was about that size too. It had the same platform where luggage appeared on the side of the terminal near the front door. The building was now a FBO last time I was in there. I wonder if that's still the case.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5456 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 11):
The old terminal at SHV was about that size too. It had the same platform where luggage appeared on the side of the terminal near the front door. The building was now a FBO last time I was in there. I wonder if that's still the case.

Haven't been back there in quite awhile (not since they remodeled the terminal), so I couldn't say. When I worked there in '80-'82 for DL we had the "newish" terminal and the old terminal was an FBO plus DL's cargo office was located in that building, also. I worked with guys there with enough seniority to have worked in that building.



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5450 times:
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Here's some pictures of baggage being picked up at the old HNL FIS in the 1950's:

http://goo.gl/qFIW3L

http://goo.gl/u15jeE

http://goo.gl/hY4v3A

http://goo.gl/K7OXrF

Here's one from the 1970's

http://goo.gl/sANAvp


User currently offlineeuropean742 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

Hehe, picking bags off the back of a truck, I know this is a much smaller scale but St Mary's airport on the Scilly Isles still does this! Mind you I imagine many airports of similar size still do.

User currently offlinea320fan From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

I remember pulling our luggage from the trailers at LST in 2007. took a while to sort through a whole 737-800 worth of luggage!


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User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 6):
Its still this way in many regional airports within the pacific and new zealand.

  



User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25334 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

Passengers at SEA waiting for their bags in the 1950s.

http://www.portseattle100.org/images/1950_1959/Baggage%20Claim%201950s.jpg

Photo from the following site.
http://www.portseattle100.org/map-and-timeline/1950-1959


User currently onlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1097 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 10):
Departed from KBFF (Scottsbluff, NE) a few weeks ago and enjoyed the same ticket agent/baggage slinger/gate agent/aircraft marshaler/luggage loader and unloader person. She was strong! Great Lakes is certainly getting their value from her.

(Very) Small town airport make flying fun again.

TURN THE WAY BACK MACHINE to the summer of 1967...46 years ago. I witnessed the same scene at BFF, only it was a very young man as the ticket agent. baggage man/gate agent/ aircraft marshaller/ luggage unloader and loader. Three people got off and one got on the Frontier DC-3 as its days were winding down with FAL. The equipment has changed but small town America air service hasn't changed in half a century....


User currently offlineTheCheese From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3545 times:
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Quoting ha763 (Reply 13):
Here's one from the 1970's

http://goo.gl/sANAvp

I remember HNL looking like that on my first trip to Hawaii, in March 1974. Also the luggage areas on Maui and Kauai being similar, though much smaller than at HNL.


User currently offlinecornutt From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 338 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 5):
I wonder if the airlines way back when had baggage rooms where the passenger dropped off and picked up their luggage the same way the railroads do it at larger terminals?

CHA had a baggage room with a claim window, having a low countertop where they lined up bags to be claimed. The window wasn't very big so if you didn't see your bag, you rang a bell and a worker came and asked you what kind of bag you had, and fetched it for you. If you rang the bell and nobody answered, you just let yourself into the baggage room and looked around until you found it. They were still using this system in the mid-1980s, the last time I flew into there.


User currently offlinenomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Quoting timz (Thread starter):
When did carousel precursors start? When did carousels as we know them now start?

TWA had their first carousels at LAX and the new Trans World Flight Center at IDL in 1962


User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Airlift, November 1961:

"Baggage Carousel, first of its kind at a U.S. airport, is now in operation by United Air Lines at San Francisco. Unit is 25 ft. in diameter and rotates at 1.2 rpm"

Says the first one was at Montreal's new terminal-- made by Mathews Conveyor Co of San Carlos CA.

LAX's new terminals had just opened-- wonder what they did at the beginning?


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 595 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

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User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
They'd just park the tug in the designated area for your flight, and everyone would just start grabbing their bags off of it.

This was true in Lawton OK (LAW) into the 90s.

Dave



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User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2912 posts, RR: 30
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

In case any of this sound primitively chaotic, it's probably no worse than RJ passengers claiming gate-check bags in the jetway these days.

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2152 times:



the old baggage claim area in BLI



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):

Though maybe off topic a bit for this thread; I remember as late as 1976 much of the baggage claim area at MIA was open air! And this may hve been pre-carousel. Eastern's baggagage claim was the first to get enclosed and the carousels circa the early 1970's. Gradually all of the baggage claim was updated with carousels and enclosed with A/C as the 70's ended. I remember flying into MIA in April of 1976 on DL and claiming my bag and the baggage area was still open air. I believe by 1980 it was all enclosed and equipped with carousels. Correct me if I'm wrong with the right facts please.



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User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1651 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

On DC-3s, I simply walked around to the aft baggage hold, pointed out my bag to the agent and had him hand it to me.

User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 22):
LAX's new terminals had just opened-- wonder what they did at the beginning?

I'm pretty sure LAX had carousels when the current airport opened. The design would not allow for a tug to pull luggage to bag claim, it is underground with respect to the ramp even though it is at ground level with respect to the parking lot. The conveyor system was there from the beginning, so they would have designed for the carousel to hold the luggage as the conveyor delivered it. BTW the carousels were round, not oval so the size was limited. There were no jumbos, and they used 1 carousel per flight.

I have seen a case where that was not as well thought out. A few years ago I was at some domestic Turkish airport where the conveyor extended about 10 meters into the bag claim area. If not picked up as it went by, the bags just fell off the end. This probably worked OK with a very small aircraft, but I was on a chartered 737 with about 130 on board. Bag claim was pure chaos.


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5043 posts, RR: 19
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

In 1967 when Chicago remodeled MDW for the first time they didn't have a true carousel, but one of those tracks with the rotating disk that moved the bag along. I don't know what they had before that.


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